PROCEEDIN
    Volume 1
Chicago, Illinois
Jan.31, Feb.1-2, Feb. 5-7,196
Executive Session
March 7, 8 and 12,1968
                ILLINOIS
                                 INDIANA s
Pollution of
Lake Michigan and its tributary basin
            U. S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

    FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ADMINISTRATION

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               CONFERENCE

         ON  THE  MATTER OP POLLUTION OF

     LAKE MICHIGAN AND ITS TRIBUTARY BASINS



                    held In

               Chicago,  Illinois
              CONFERENCE  SESSIONS:

                January 31,  1968
                February  1,  1968
                February  2,  1968
              (  February  5,  1968
                February  6,  1968
                February  7,  1968
              EXECUTIVE  SESSIONS:

                 March  7,  1968
                 March  8,  1968
                 March 12,  1968
           TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
       U. S. Department of the Interior
               Washington, D. C.

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CONFERENCE SESSIONS:

  January 31, 1968
       Morning Session	     2
       Afternoon Session..,	   137

  February 1, 1968
       Morning Session	   463
       Afternoon Session	   751

  February 2, 1968
       Morning Session	  1122
       Afternoon Session	  1314

  February 5, 1968
       Morning Session	  1538
       Afternoon Session	  1732

  February 6, 1968
       Morning Session	2188
       Afternoon Session	  2376

  February 7, 1968
       Morning Session	  2874


EXECUTIVE SESSIONS:

  March  7, 1968
       Morning Session	  3264
       Afternoon Session	  3408

  March  8, 1968
       Morning Session	  3583

  March 12, 1968
       Morning Session	  3747

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 1                          CONTENTS (CONTINUED)

 2         PROCEEDINGS;                                      PAGE

 3           OPENING STATEMENT AND WELCOME
                Hon. Richard D. Daley,
 4              Mayor, City of Chicago	   84

 5           ADDRESS OF WELCOME
                Hon. Otto Kerner,
 6              Governor, State of Illinois	   93

 7           STATEMENT BY
                Hon. Max N. Edwards,
 8              Assistant Secretary,
                U. S. Department of the Interior	   96
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             STATEMENT OP
10              Hon. Stewart L. Udall,
                Secretary,
11              U. 3. Department of the Interior..	   98

12 i          STATEMENT BY
                Hon. Gaylord Nelson,
13              The United States Senate,
                State of Wisconsin	  112
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             STATEMENT BY
15              Hon. Otto Kerner,
                Governor, State of Illinois	  127
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             STATEMENT BY
17              Hon. William G. Milliken,
                Lieutenant Governor,
18              State of Michigan	  137

19 •          CHAIR ASSUMED BY
   i             Murray Stein,
20              Assistant Commissioner for  Enforcement,
                Federal Water Pollution Control Adm.,
2i              U. S. Department of the Interior	  146
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INTRODUCTION OF CONFEREES	  14?
23            TELEGRAM FROM
                Hon. Charles H. Percy,
24               The United  States  Senate,
                State of  Illinois	   151
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  2          PROCEEDINGS (CONTINUED);                          PAGE

  3            STATEMENT OF
                 Hon.  Philip A. Hart,
  4               The United States Senate,
                 State of Michigan	  153
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              STATEMENT OF
  6               Hon.  Sidney R. Yates,
                 U. S. House of Representatives,
  7               State of Illinois	  158

  8            STATEMENT OF
                 Hon.  Daniel J. Ronan,
  9               U. S. House of Representatives,
                 State of Illinois	  160
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              STATEMENT OF
                 Hon.  Roger D. Branigin,
                 Governor, State of Indiana	  163

12            STATEMENT BY
13               R. G. Lynch,
                 Chairman, Natural Resources Board,
                 State of Wisconsin	  168
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15            STATEMENT BY
                 Franklin D. Yoder, M.D.,
lg               Director, Illinois Department of Health,

17            STATEMENT OF
                 Hon. Frank or. Kelley
18               Attorney General,
                 State of Michigan	  l8l
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              STATEMENT BY
                 Hon. Max N. Edwards,
                 Assistant Secretary,
21               U. S. Department of the Interior,
22            STATEMENT OF
                 Hon. Dan Rostenkowski,
23               U. S. House of Representatives,
                 State of Illinois	 1609
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 3           STATEMENT OF
                Hon. Roman C. Pucinski,
 4              U. S. House of Representatives,
                State of Illinois	»	 1612
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             STATEMENT OF
 6              Hon. John C. Kluczynski,
                U. S. House of Representatives,
 7              State of Illinois	 2C4l

 8           STATEMENT BY
                Hon. Warren P. Knowles,
 9              Governor, State of Wisconsin.	 2397

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           FEDERAL PRESENTATION!
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             Walter Kiechel, Jr	  402
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             Raymond F. Clevenger	  409
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             Charles H. Stoddard	  443
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             U. S. Bureau of Mines	  448
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             U. S. Geological Survey	  451
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             H. W. Poston	  475
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             R. J. Schneider	  482
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                Federal Report	  523
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             Dr. A. F. Bartsch	  649
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                Report, "Water Quality Investigations,
23              Lake Michigan Basin, Biology"	  652

24 I          Dr. Donald J. Baumgartner	  ?6l

25           Dr. Leon W. Weinberger	  812

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 2         FEDERAL PRESENTATION  (CONTINUED);                  PAG5

 3           R. J. Schneider,
             Cone lusions and Recommendations	  878
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                "Inventory Information
 5               Waste Sources in the Lake
                 Michigan Basin, January 1968''	  892
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             W. P. Carbine	  1062
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             Srnest D. Premetz	  1095
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             Captain G. H. Shepard	  1405
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             Mrs. Donald 2. Clusen	-	  1415
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             League of Women Voters of Indiana	  1425
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             League of Women Voters of Illinois	  1430
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             League of Women Voters of Michigan	  1436
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             League of Women Voters of Wisconsin	  1480
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             League of Women Voters of United States	i486
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             Izaak Walton League, Calumet Region Chapter....  1496
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             U. S. Forest Service	  1498
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             Bureau of Outdoor Recreation	  1511
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             Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife	  1520
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             General Federation of Women • s Clubs	  1528
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             Donald W. Marshall	  2086
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             Federal Committee on Pest Control	  3122
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             Verne M. Bathurst	  3128
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             R. J. Schneider,
24           Discussion on Conclusions and Recommendations..  3135

25           Brigadier General Robert M. Tarbox	  1205

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 2         INDUSTRY PRESENTATION;                             PAGE
 3           R.  C.  Mallatt.	  752
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 5         ILLINOIS PRESENTATION;
 6           Douglas Morton	 1125
 7           James  W.  Jardine	 1142
 8           Richard A.  Pavia	 1162
 9           Hon. William G. Clark	 1249
10           Francis S.  Lorenz	 126?
11           Carl L. Klein	 1286
12                "Report on Lake  Michigan Pollution"	 1288
13           Hon. Harold A. Kat*	 1315
i4           Robert Johnston	 1333
15           Aimer  J.  Mikva	 1339
lfi           John M. Trinka	 1349
17           Raymond E.  Anderson	 1361
18           John Henry Kleine	 1385
19           Paul Simon	 1389
20           James  C. Vaughn	 1538
21           Clarke.W. Mangun,  Jr., M.D,.	 I6l8
22           Dr. Allan Pilek	 1622
23           Waukegan Water and Sewer Department	 1644
24           Thomas G. Ayers	 164?
25           William C. Ackermann	 1655

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 2          ILLINOIS PRESENTATION (CONTINUED);                PAGE


 3            Mathon Kyrltsia	 1674


 4            Daniel M.  Pierce	 1686


 5            Village of Wlnnetka	 1690


 Q            Gerhard M. Scheme 1	 1694


 7            Harvey Tenner	 1721


 8            Illinois Boating Association.....	1726


 9            Ron Stone	 1732


10                "A Model Act to Prohibit Littering and the
                   Disposal of Untreated Sewage from Boats".. 1754


              Joseph Chantigney	 1806

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              Donald Matschke	 1810

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              Donald J.  Bergman	 1820

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              Mrs. Eileen L. Johnston	 1858

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              Hon.  Robert  McGlory	 1865

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              C.  W. Klassen,

17            Summary Statement	 1875


18                 City  of Chicago Ordinance	 1898


19            Hon. Donald Rumsfeld	 1903


20            The Wllmette Park District	 1909


21            Lake County Health Department	 1912


22            Illinois Audubon Society	 1917


23            Dr. W. J.  Beecher	 1920


24            John E. Sgan	2282


25            Walter S.  Baltis	 3246

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 2         ILLINOIS PRESENTATION  (CONTINUED);                 PAGS



 3           William A. Riaakl	  3249



 4           C. W. Klassen	  3257




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 6         INDIANA PRES3NTATION:



 7           Perry Miller	  1926



 g           Hon. John J. Dillon	  2032



 9           Mrs. Marjory Crawford	  2036



10           E. Eugene Minney	  2042



11           Wayne C. Stapf	  2069



12 '          Mrs. Florence Murray	  2082




13           H. LaBrant	  3117




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15         MICHIGAN  PRESENTATION:



16           John Vogt	  2188



17           Dr. Ralph A. MacMullan	  2252



18           John Calkins	  2292



19           Peter I. Tack	  2306



20           John H. Kennaugh,	  2318



21           Leonard J.  Goodsell	  2336



22           James L. Rouman	  2347



23           John C. McCurry	  2354



24           George  Dlesk	2358



25           A.  R. Balden	 2369

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 2         WISCONSIN PRESENTATION (CONTINUED);                PAGE



 3           Wisconsin  Wildlife  Federation	  2875



 4           Wisconsin  Resource  Conservation Council	2877



 5           city of South Milwaukee	2878



 6           Milwaukee  Harbor Commission	2881



 7           Robert A.  Ewens	  2887



 8           Richard M. Billings	  2904



 9           Herbert Moore	  3005



10           Gerald Paul	  3014



11           0.  A. Jahnke	3033



12           Freeman Holmer	3036



13                 "Excessive Water Fertilization"	  3048



14           Mrs. Robert G. Erickson	3238



15           Sierra Club, John Muir Chapter	  3239



16           Mrs. Tom Helmbrecht	  3241



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18         EXECUTIVE SESSION:



19           Appearances	3264



20           Remarks by Dr. Bregman	  3277



21            CONCLUSIONS:



22                  No.  1	  3282



23                  No.  2	  3284



24                  NO.  3	  3294



25                  NO.  4	  3307

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 3           CONCLUSIONS (CONTINUED):

 4                 No.   5 and 6	  3314

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                                                          and  334?
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                   No.   9	  3333
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                   No.  10	  3335
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10                 No.  11	  3358

11                 No.  12	  3376

12                 No.  13	  3379

13                 No.  14	  3392

14                 No.  15	*	  3399

15                 No.  16	  3752
                                                          and 3774
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             RECOMMENDATIONS:
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                   Wisconsin suggestions	  3409
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                   No.   1	  3469
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                                                              3774
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                                                              3757
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                                                              3759
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EXECUTIVE SESSION (CONTINUED);                     PAGE

  RECOMMENDATIONS (CONTINUED):

       No.  5	3536
                                              and  3764

       No.  6	  3539
                                                   3764
                                              and  3795

       No.  7	  3547
                                                   3765
                                              and  3797

       No.  8	3549
                                                   3765
                                              and  3798

       No.  9	  3556
                                                   3765
                                              and  3798

       No. 10	  3566
                                                   3766
                                              and  3798

       No. 11	  3575
                                                   3800
                                                   3819
                                              and  3855

       No. 12	,	3583
                                              and  3837

       No. 13	  3594
                                                   3691
                                                   3857
                                              and  3883

       No. 14		3594
                                              and  3864

       No. 15	  3607
                                              and  3884

       No. 16	  3622
                                              and  3891

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 2          EXHIBITS:                                          PAGE

 3           1 - "Studies on the Environment and
                  Eutrophication of Lake Michigan"	  193
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             2 - "Eutrophication of the St. Lawrence
 5                Great Lakes"	  699

 6           3 - "Indices of Great Lakes Eutrophication"	  699

 7           4 - "Changes in the Environment and
                  Biota of the Great Lakes"	  699
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             5 - "Lake Currents"	  769
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             6 - Slides shown by General Tarbox	 1206
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             7 - "Pure Water, Volume XVII, Number 1, 1965"... 1539
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             8 - Film shown by Mathon Kyritsis	 1680
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             9 - "Report of Water Quality Criteria Calumet
13                Area-Lower Lake Michigan, January 1966".... 1885

14          10 - Wisconsin Program.	 3041

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The Conference on



the Matter of Pollution

of Lake Michigan, and its Tributary Basins,

vened at 11 o'clock a.m., on

the Sherman House, Chicago,


PRESIDING:

Hon. Max N. Edwards, As
U. S. Department of the
Washington, D. C.,
and
Murray Stein
Asst. Commissioner for
Federal Water Pollution
U. S. Department of the
Washington, D. C.

ALSO PRESENT:

Hon. Joe G. Moore, Jr.,
Federal Water Pollution
U. S. Department of the
Washington, D. C.


CONFEREES :

FEDERAL:

H. W. Poston, Regional
Great Lakes Region
Federal Water Pollution
U. S. Department of the
Chicago, Illinois



con-

January 31, 1968, at

Illinois.










sistant Secretary
Interior



Enforcement
Control Adminis
Interior




Commissioner
Control Adminis
Interior







Director

Control Adminis
Interior







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CONFEREES  (CONTINUED):
  STATE OP ILLINOIS:

     Clarence W. Klassen, Technical Secretary
     Illinois Sanitary Water Board
     Springfield, Illinois
   Alternates:
     Franklin D, Yoder, M.D., Director
     State Department of Public Health
          and
     Chairman, Illinois Sanitary Water Board
     Springfield, Illinois

     Dr. C. S. Boruff
     Illinois Sanitary Water Board
     Peoria, Illinois
  STATE OF INDIANA:

     John E. Mitchell, Director
     Indiana Department of Natural Resources
     Indianapolis, Indiana

     Blucher Poole, Technical Secretary
     Indiana Stream Pollution Control Board
     Indianapolis, Indiana
   Alternates:
     Colonel Charles L. Sidle, Chairman
     Indiana Stream Pollution Control Board
     Fort Wayne, Indiana

     Perry E.  Miller, Asst.  Director
     Sanitary Engineering
     Indiana State Board of  Health
     Indianapolis, Indiana

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           STATE  OF  MICHIGAN:
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              Loring F.  Oeming, Executive  Secretary
 4             Michigan Water Resources  Commission
              Lansing, Michigan
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              George F.  Llddle, Sr.,  Chairman
 6             Michigan Water Resources  Commission
              Muskegon,  Michigan
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            Alternates:
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              Ralph  W. Purdy,  Chief  Engineer
 9             Michigan Water Resources  Commission
              Lansing, Michigan
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              John Vogt,  Chief
H             Division of Engineering
              Michigan Department  of Public  Health
12             Lansing, Michigan

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14          STATE  OF  WISCONSIN:

15             Freeman Holmer,  Administrator
              Division of Resource Development
16             Department of Natural  Resources
              Madison, Wisconsin
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              Russell  G.  Lynch, Chairman
lg             Wisconsin  Natural Resources  Board
              Wauwatosa,  Wisconsin
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              Lester P.  Voigt, Secretary
20             Department of Natural  Resources
              Madison, Wisconsin
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            Alternates:
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              Thomas G.  Frangos, Director
23             Bureau of  Water  Resources
              Wisconsin  Department of Natural Resources
24             Madison3 Wisconsin

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            STATE OF WISCONSIN  (CONTINUED):
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             Alternates (Continued):
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               Theodore F. ¥isniewski
 5             Assistant to the Administrator
               Division of Resource  Development
 6             Department of Natural Resources
               Madison, Wisconsin
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          PARTICIPANTS:
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            FEDERAL PRESENTATION:
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               A. F. Bartsch, Chief
11             Eutrophication Research
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
12             Pacific Northwest Water Laboratory
               Corvallis, Oregon
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               Verne M. Bathurst,  State Conservationist
14             U. S. Soil Conservation Service
               East Lansing, Michigan
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               Donald J. Baumgartner, Sanitary Engineer
16             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Pacific Northwest Water Laboratory
17             Corvallis, Oregon

18             0. M. Bishop, Area Director
               Area III, U. S. Bureau of Mines
19             Twin Cities Airport,  Minnesota

20             W. F. Carbine, Regional Director
               U. S. Bureau of Commercial Fisheries
21             Ann Arbor, Michigan

22             Raymond F. Clevenger,  Chairman
               Great Lakes Basin Commission
23             Ann Arbor, Michigan

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 2          FEDERAL PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED):

 3             Mrs. Donald Clusen, Director
              Water Resources
 4             League of Women Voters of the U.S.
              Washington, D. C.
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              Walter Kiechel, Jr., Asst. Chief
 6             Water Resources Unit
              U. S. Department of Justice
 7             Land & Natural Resources Division
              Washington, D. C.
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              Roman H. Koenings, Regional Director
 9             Bureau of Outdoor Recreation
              Ann Arbor, Michigan
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              Donald F. LaPointe, Asst. Supervisor
11             Division of River Basin Studies
              U. S. Department of the Interior
12             Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife
              Minneapolis, Minnesota
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              R. C. Mallatt
14             Coordinator of Air & Water Conservation
              American Oil Company
15             Chicago, Illinois

16             Donald W. Marshall, P.E.
              Regional Program Chief
17             WSSR Public Health Service
              Department of Health, Education & Welfare
18             Region V
              Chicago, Illinois
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              Ernest D. Premetz, Deputy Regional Director
20             Bureau of Commercial Fisheries
              U. S. Department of the Interior
21             Ann Arbor, Michigan

22             Robert J. Schneider, Deputy Regional Director
              Great Lakes Region
23             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
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 2          FEDERAL PRESENTATION  (CONTINUED):

 3             G.  R.  Shepard,  Captain
               U.  S.  Navy
 4             9th Naval District
               Naval  Training  Center
 5             Great  Lakes,  Illinois

 5             Charles  H. Stoddard, Regional Coordinator
               Upper  Mississippi Western Great  Lakes Area
 7             Duluth,  Minnesota

 g             R.  M.  Tarbox, Brig.  General
               Engineering Division
 9             North  Central Division
               U.  S.  Army Corps  of  Engineers
10             Chicago, Illinois

U             Dr. William M.  Upholt, Executive Secretary
               Federal  Committee on Pest Control
12             Washington, D.  C.

13             Leon W.  Weinberger,  Asst. Commissioner
               Research and Development
14             Federal  Water Pollution Control  Administration
               Washington, D.  C.
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            ILLINOIS  PRESENTATION:
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               William  C. Ackermann,  Chief
17             Illinois State  Water Survey

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               Raymond  E. Anderson, General Manager
19             North  Shore Sanitary District
               Waukegan,  Illinois
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               Thomas G.  Ayers,  President
21             Chicago  Association  of
               Commerce and Industry
22                  and
               President, Commonwealth Edison Company
23             Chicago, Illinois

24             Dr. W. J.  Beecher, Director
               Chicago  Academy of Science
25             Chicago, Illinois

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 PARTICIPANTS (CONTINUED)

 ADDITIONAL FEDERAL PRESENTATIONS (CONTINUED)

 Mrs.  Alva Appleby
 Chairman,  Pollution Division
 General  Federation of Women's Clubs
 Skowhegan,  Maine

 Grover Cook
 Division of Enforcement Program
 Great Lakes Region,  FWPCA,  U.S. Department of the Interio
 Chicago,  Illinois

 John  Chura,   resident
 Calumet  Regional Chapter  of the Izaak Walton League
 of America,  Illinois

 George S.  James,  Regional Forrester
 Eastern  Region,  U.S.  Forest Service
 Department of Agriculture
 Milwaukee,  Wisconsin

 Wayne C.  Stapf,  Secretary
 Izaak Walton League  of Indiana
 Indiana

 Hon.  Stewart L.  Udall
 Secretary  of the Interior
 U.S.  Department  of the interior
 Washington,  D. C.

 Eugene Minney, President
 Izaak Walton League  of America
 Indiana

 Mrs.  Robert  Zilly
 State Chairman - Water Resources
 League of  Women  Voters of Michigan
 Stensville,  Michigan

Jacob I.  Bregman, Deputy Assistant
Secretary of the Interior for Water Pollution Control
Washington, D. C.

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 2          ILLINOIS PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED):

 3             Donald J. Bergman
              Committee on Lake Michigan Pollution
 4             Winnetka, Illinois

 5             Harry V. Bierma, Chairman
              Clean Stream Committee
 6             Illinois Audubon Scoiety
              Chicago, Illinois
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              Joseph T. Chantigney, Chairman
 8             Great Lakes Izaak Walton League of America
              Dolton, Illinois
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              William G. Clark, Attorney General
10             State of Illinois
              Chicago, Illinois
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              Honorable Richard D. Daley
12             Mayor
              Chicago, Illinois
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              L. C. Dorake,. Superintendent
14             Waukegan Water Utility
              Waukegan, Illinois
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              John E. Egan, President
16             Metropolitan Sanitary District
              of Greater Chicago
17             Chicago, Illinois

18             L. A. Ellis, Village Manager
              Village of Winnetka
19             Winnetka, Illinois

20             Dr. Allan Filek, Public Health Director
              Evanston-North Shore Health Department
21             Evanston, Illinois

22             H. R. Prye, Superintendent
              Water & Sewers,  City of Evanston
23             Evanston, Illinois

24             H. H. Gerstein,  Consulting Engineer
              Alvord, Burdick  & Howson
25             Chicago,Illinois

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 1        PARTICIPANTS   (CONTINUED):

 2          ILLINOIS  PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED):

 3            Prank  Heyes,  President
              Illinois  Boating Association
 4            Chicago,  Illinois

 5            James  W.  Jardine, Commissioner
              Water  & Sewers, City of  Chicago
 6            Chicago,  Illinois

 7            Mrs. Eileen L, Johnston
              League of Women Voters of Wilmette
 8            Wilmette, Illinois

              Robert Johnston, Director
              United Auto Workers,  Region 4
              Chicago,  Illinois

11            Harold A. Katz, State Representative
              State  of  Illinois
12            Chicago,  Illinois

13            Honorable Otto Kerner
              Governor
I4            State  of  Illinois

              Carl L. Klein, State Representative
              Water  Pollution & Water  Resources Commission
              Chicago,  Illinois

              John Eenry Kleine, State Representative
              Chairman, Northern Illinois Water
              Resources & Conservation Commission
              Lake Forest,  Illinois
19
              Mathon Kyritsis,, Commercial Fisherman
20            Fishing Commission,  State of Illinois
              Waukegan, Illinois
21
              William T. Lodge^ Director
22            Illinois  Department  of Conservation
              Springfield,  Illinois
23
              Francis S. Lorenz, Director
              Department of  Pub
              State of Illinois
24             Department  of  Public Works &  Buildings

25

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 1         PARTICIPANTS  (CONTINUED^:

 2           ILLINOIS PRESENTATION  (CONTINUED):

 3              Clark W. Mangun, Jr., M.D , Chairman
               Subcommittee on Environmental Health
 4              Illinois State Medical Society
               Chicago, Illinois
 .5
               Donald E. Matschke, General Chairman
 6              Cook County Clean Streams Committee
               Hinsdale, Illinois
 7
               Abner J. Mikva
 8              208 South LaSalle Street
               Chicago, Illinois
 9
               D. B. Morton, Sanitary Engineer
10              Chief of Bureau of Stream Pollution Control
               Illinois Sanitary Water Board
11              Springfield, Illinois

12              Richard A  Pavia
               Asst. Commissioner of Water & Sewers
13              City of Chicago
               Chicago, Illinois
14
               Daniel  M. Pierce, State Representative
15              32nd District, Illinois Legislature
               Highland Park, Illinois
16
               Edward  A. Quigley
17              Deputy  Commissioner for Sewers
               Bureau  of Water & Sewers
18              City of Chicago
               Chicago, Illinois
19
               Howard  ?. Saiger, Director
20              Division of Environmental Health
               Lake County Health Department
21              Waukegan, Illinois

22              Gerhard M. Schemel,  Commodore
               Lake Michigan Yacht Association
23              Chicago, Illino s

24              Paul Simon, State Senator
               53rd District
25              State  of Illinois

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 1         PARTICIPANTS  (CONTINUED):

 2           ILLINOIS PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED):

 3              Ron Stone, Director
               Government Relations Department
 4              Outboard Boating Club  of America
               Chicago, Illinois
 5
               Harvey 0. Tenner, Pollution  Coordinator
 6              Illinois Federation  of Sportsmen's  Clubs
               Oak Park, Illinois
 7
               John M. Trinka, Director
 8              Special Services, Chicago  Park District
               Chicago, Illinois
 9
               James C. Vaughn, Engineer
10              Water Purification
               Department of Water  &  Sewers
11              City of Chicago
               Chicago, Illinois
12
            INDIANA PRESENTATION:
13
               Marjory Crawford                Hon.  Roger Branitoan
14              Council Member of the  Board     Governor of Indiana
               Save the Dunes Council         Indiana
15              Chesterton, Indiana
                                               Hon.  John Dillon
16              H. LaBrant                      Attorney General
               Whiting, Indiana                Indiana
17
               Mrs. Florence Murray,  Inspector
18              Indiana Division of  Labor
               Michiana Shores
19              Michigan City, Indiana

20           MICHIGAN PRESENTATION:

21              A. R. Balden, Chairman      Clair Aik«n, Vice Pres.
               Natural Resources Committee  Mich. Society of Prof.
22              Michigan Chamber of  Commerce Engineers, Lansing, Mich,
               Lansing, Michigan
23
               John Calkins, Deputy Director
24              Michigan Department  of Agriculture
               Bruce C. Brown,  Exec.  Secretary
               Mich. Society Planning Officials
               Holt, Michigan	 	

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         PARTICIPANTS   (CONTINUED):
 2
         ADDITIONAL ILLINOIS PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED)
 3
         George Dlesk, Senior Vice President
 4       Packaging Corporation of America
         Evanston, Illinois
 5
         Robert B. Gerrie, President
 6       Board of Commissioners
         Wilmette Park District
 7       Wilmette, Illinois
         Hon. John C. Kluczynski
         U.S. House of Re]
         Washington, D.C.
 a
         U.S. House of Representatives
 9
         Hon. Charles H. Percy
         U. S. Senate
         Washington, D.C.
10        U. S. Senate
11
         Hon. Roman C. Pucinski
         U.S. House of Representatives
         Washington, D.C.
13
         Hon. Danial J. Ronan
         U. S. House of Representatives
         Washington, D.C.
15
         Hon. Dan Rostenkowski
         U. S. House of Representatives
         Washington, D.C.
17
         Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
         U. S. House of Representatives
         Washington, D.C.
19
         Hon. Sidney R. Yates
         U. S. House of Representatives
         Washington, D.C.
21
         Willian A. Riaski, Executive Director
         Izaak Walton League of America
         Glenview, Illinois
23

24

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 1        PARTICIPANTS   (CONTINUED):

 2          MICHIGAN  PRESENTATION  (CONTINUED):

 3             Roy  Calvin,  Director of Public Relations
              Martin Marietta Corporation
 4

 5             Keith  Chambers, President
              Southern  Lake  Michigan Fishermen's Corp.
 6             Holland,  Michigan

 7             Mrs. Miriam  G.  Dahl, State Chairman
              Pollution Item
 g             Izaak  Walton League of America
              Wisconsin Division
 9             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

10             George Dlesk,  Senior Vice President
              Packaging Corporation of America
11             Evanston, Illinois

12             Colonel Leonard J. Goodsell
              Executive Director, Great Lakes Commission
13             Ann  Arbor, Michigan

14             John H. Kennaugh, Executive Secretary
              Michigan  Grand River Watershed Council
15             Lansing,  Michigan

16             John Kinney, Consulting Engineer
              Dunbar &  Sullivan Dredging Company
17

18             Charles H. Kupsky, General Manager
              Parke-Davis  Company
19             Detroit,  Michigan

20             William 0. Lagoni, Lagonl & Davis, Attys.
              Chairman, Park Committee
21             City of Bridgeman
              Bridgeman, Michigan
22
              Ralph  A.  MacMullan, Director
23             Michigan  Conservation Department
              Lansing,  Michigan
24             S.R.  Dunnuck,  Secretary of Berrien Co.
              Chapter of Michigan Watershed
25             Niles,  Michigan
   	Hon.  Frank J.  Kelley. Attorney General, Michigan	

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 1        PARTICIPANTS  (CONTINUED):

 2          MICHIGAN PRESENTATION   (CONTINUED):

 3             John C.McCurry, General Manager
               Michigan Manufacturers Association
 4             Detroit, Michigan

 5             Hon. William G. Milliken
               Lieutenant Governor
               State of Michigan

               Nicholas V. Olds, Asst. Attorney  General
               State of Michigan
 g             Lansing, Michigan

 9             Donald M. Pierce, Sanitary Engineer
               Michigan Department  of Public Health
10             Lansing, Michigan

               James Taylor, City Superintendent
               City of Charlevoix
12             Charlevoix, Michigan

13             James L. Rouman, Executive Director
               Michigan United Conservation Clubs
14             Lansing, Michigan

15             Joseph B. Stinson, President
               The Joseph B. Stinson Company
16             Fremont, Ohio

17             Peter Tack, Professor
               Michigan Association, Construction Ecologist
18             Okemos,  Michigan

19             Charles  B.  Wurtz, Consulting Biologist
               Dunbar & Sullivan Dredging Company
               Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

21             H.  Wybenga, City Superintendent
               City of  Zeeland
22             Zeeland, Michigan
               Norman Spring, Chairman
               Michigan Pesticide Control
               Grand Haven, Michigan
24
               David Chandler,  Prof, of Zoology
25             University of Michigan
               Ann Arbor, Michigan

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 1 i;       PARTICIPANTS   (CONTINUED):

 2          WISCONSIN PRESENTATION:

 3             Bob Angwall, President
              Wisconsin Fishing Trawlers
 4             Marinstte, Wisconsin

 5             R. M. Billings, Asst. to Vice  President
              Research & Engineering
 6             Kiaberly Clark Corporation
              Neenah, Wisconsin
 7
              Mrs. Robert; G. Eriekscn
 g             Conservation Representative
              Sierra Club
 9             Racine, Wisconsin

10             Robert A. Ewens, Executive Vice  President
              Wisconsin Manufacturers Association
11             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

12             R. E. Gar row
              Chicago Water Resources Standing Committee
13             Northeastern Regional Planning Commission
              Fremont, Wisconsin
14
              Ottmar A. Jahnke
15             Master & Pilot
              Milwaukee, Wisconsin
16
              Hon. Warren P. Knowles
17             Governor
              State of Wisconsin
18
              Herbert Moore, Consulting Engineer
19             Moore & Peterson
              Milwaukee, Wisconsin
20
              Hon. Gaylord Nelson
21             The United States Senate
              State of Wisconsin
22
              Gerald L. Paul, Hydrologist
23             Northeastern Wisconsin
              Regional  Planning Commission
24             Appleton, Wisconsin

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                                                                    i
 1        PARTICIPANTS  (CONTINUED):

 2          WISCONSIN PRESENTATION:

 3              H. C. Brockel, Municipal Port Director
                Board of Harbor Commissioners
 4              Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 5              Hon. James C. Devitt
                Member, Committee on Conservation
                Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 7              Martin Hanson
                Secretary, Wisconsin Wildlife Confederation
 8              Millen, Wisconsin

 9              Mrs. Tom Helmbrecht
                Mayrille, Wisconsin
10
                Richard Hemp, Executive Director
                Wisconsin Wildlife Federation
                Mosinee, Wisconsin
12
                Leo W. Roethe, President
13              Wisconsin Wildlife Federation
                Mosinee, Wisconsin
14
                City of South Milwaukee, Wisconsin
15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

24

25

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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE:

 2              William L.  Abott,  Chief Radio Chemist
               Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration
 3              Chicago,  Illinois

 4              Joseph  F. Adamczyk,  State Director
               National Association of Power Engineers
 6              Chicago,  Illinois

 6              J.  H. Aeschliman
               Public  Relations Representative
 7              International  Harvester Company
               Chicago,  Illinois
 8
               Waro L. Akers,  Sanitary Engineer
 9              Illinois  Sanitary  Water Board
               Springfield, Illinois
10
               Orris E.  Albertson,  Marketing Manager
11              Dow Oliver, Inc.
               Stamford, Connecticut
12
               Helen Ann Amidon
13              Regina  Dominican High School
               Wilmette, Illinois
14
               Arne H. Anderson,  Branch Manager
15              Weyerhaeuser Company
               White Pigeon,  Michigan
16
               Mrs. Daniel C.  Anderson, Vice President
17              League  of Women Voters of Cook County
               Western Springs, Illinois
18
               C.  R. Andree,  Vice President
19              Marsan  Corporation
               Chicago,  Illinois
20
               Robert  W. Andrew,  Jr.,  Research Chemist
21              Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration
               Duluth,  Minnesota
22
               Frank J.  Angelos,  Industrial Hygienist
23              Johns-Manville  Products Corporation
               Waukegan, Illinois
24
               Hon. William Christy,  Senator and Chairman
25              Conservation Committee
               Hammond, Indiana

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Anna Anroel
              Evanston League  of Women Voters
 3             Evanston, Illinois

 4             Ron Anton
              Wisconsin Conservation  Congress
 5             Racine, Wisconsin

 6             James Arkin,  Immediate  Past Chairman
              Lake Michigan Region Planning Council
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             F. K.. Armour, Vice President Engineering
              Interlake Steel
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             Mrs. Harold  L. Aronson,  Jr.
              Water Chairman
11             League  of Women  Voters  of Glencoe
              Glencoe, Illinois
12
              Mrs. Curtis  0. Arvold
13             League  of Women  Voters
              Des Plaines,  Illinois
14
              R. C. Atkins, Technical Superintendent
15             DuPont  Company
              East Chicago, Indiana
16
              B. R. Atkinson
17             Republic Steel
              Cleveland,  Ohio
18
              Robert  E. Arow,  Jr., Plant Manager
19             Filter  Materials Corporation
              Lake Zurick,  Illinois
20
              Hank Babbitt
21             Lakeland Boating
              Ann Arbor,  Michigan
22
              Vinton  tf.  Bacon, General Superintendent
23             Metropolitan Sanitary District of
              Greater Chicago
24             Chicago, Illinois

25             Hon. James  C.  Devitt
              Member, Committee on Conservation
   	Milwaukee,  Wisconsin	

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Mrs. V.  W.  Bacon
               2206 Kenilworth Avenue
 3             Wilmette,  Illinois

 4             C.  I. Baker,  Director of Landscape
               Chicago  Park  District
 5             Chicago,  Illinois

 6             Edward F.  Baldus, President
               Joseph Witting Company
 7             Milwaukee,  Wisconsin

 8             Neil Baldwin, Assistant Editor
               Chemical &  Engineering News
 9             Chicago,  Illinois

10             Samuel 0.  Ball
               Software Systems, Inc.
11             Falls Church, Virginia

12             Francis  Barth, Asst. Attorney General
               State of Illinois
13             Chicago,  Illinois

14             William  G.  Barker, Manager
               Waste Control Department
15             Abbott Laboratories
               North Chicago, Illinois
16
               Jack W.  Barbee, Technical Manager
17             Mobil Oil  Company
               East Chicago, Indiana
18
               Dean C.  Bard, Sanitary Engineer
19             U.  S. Air  Force,  Headquarters  SAC
               Offutt Air  Force Base, Nebraska
20 |
               Thomas C.  Barry
21             Acting General Superintendent
               Chicago  Park  District
22             Chicago,  Illinois

23             George W.  Batchelder
               Clyde E. William & Associates
24             South Bend, Indiana

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 1         OTHERS  IN  ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              E.  M.  Battey,  Area Manager
               INFILCO
 3              Chicago,  Illinois

 4              Mrs.  Russell  Bauyuge,  Jr.
               League of Women  Voters
 5              Wilmette,  Illinois

 6  !            Robert Bayr
               Interlake Steel  Corporation
 7              Riverdale, Illinois

 8              Dale  Bryson,  Acting Director
               Minneapolis  Program Office
 9              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Minneapolis,  Minnesota
10
               L.  A.  Beaudin, Chief
11              Construction  Operations Division
               North Central Division
12              U.  S.  Army
               Chicago,  Illinois
13
               Wallace J. Beckman
14              Consoer Tovmsend & Associates
               Chicago,  Illinois
15
               Dr. Lawrence  P.  Beer,  Staff Engineer
16              Commonwealth  Edison Company
               Chicago,  Illinois
17
               George J. Behrens, Chief Engineer
18              U.  S.  Steel  Corporation
               Waukegan, Illinois
19
               Stewart W. Benson, Vice President
20              Maccabee  & Associates, Inc.
               Chicago,  Illinois
21
               Hal Belkin
22              Associate Professor of Biology
               Loop City College
23  |            Highland  Park, Illinois

24              Mrs.  C.. V. Berger
               4631 Lawn Avenue
25              Western Springs, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Orville  V.  Bergren,  Secretary-
               Illinois Manufacturers  Association
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Irving Berstein,  Chemical Engineer
               Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
 5             Chicago, Illinois

 6             Jerry Bers,  President
               Pump Equipment &  Service Company
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             John E.  Bessert,  National Sales Manager
               Zimpro Division of Sterling Drug,  Inc.
 9             Glen Ellyn,  Illinois

10             Kenneth  Bigland
               Physical Science  Administrator
11             Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
               Washington,  D.  C.
12
               Leon G.  Billings, Professional Staff
13             U.  S. Senate Subcommittee
               on  Air & Water Pollution
14             Washington,  D.  C.

15             L.  F. Birkel,  Supervisor
               Water Management
16             Republic Steel  Corporation
               Cleveland,  Ohio
17
               Mrs.  Robert  E.  Bitner,  District Secretary
18             Congressman  Robert McClory,  12th District
               Barrington,  Illinois
19
               Robert A. Black,  Chief  Engineer
20             Chicago  Park District
               Chicago,  Illinois
21
               Carl  Blomgren,  Sanitary Engineer
22             Illinois  Sanitary Water Board
               Chicago,  Illinois
23
               Susan Blumenthal
24             5511  South University
               Chicago,  Illinois
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Richard M. Boardman,  Chief
              Water Quality Section
 3             Pennsylvania Department  of Health
              Harrisburg, Pennslyvania

              Julius R. Bocik,  Jr.
              Assistant Plant Engineer
              Johnson Motors Division  O.M.C.
              Waukegan, Illinois

 7             Steve Boen, Geologist
              University of Wisconsin
 8             Madison, Wisconsin

 9             Ray Botch, Asst.  to  City Manager
              City of Highland  Park
10             Highland Park, Illinois

11             Prank W. Bouma
              Kent County Drain Commission
              Kent County & Grand  River Watershed
              Grand Rapids, Michigan
13
              Prank P. Bourgin, Regional Director
              Region IV, Office of Emergency  Planning
              Battle Creek, Michigan
15
              Dr. William W. Bourke, Director
1<»             Veterans Hospital
              Downey, Illinois
17
              Robert J. Bowden, Chief
              Calumet Area Surveillance Unit
              Federal Water Pollution  Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois

20             Fred R. Boyett
              Regional Commissioner of Customs
21             U. S. Customs
              Chicago, Illinois
22
              Austin Boyle
23             E. C. Manufacturers  Association
              East Chicago. Indiana
24

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             L. L. Bradish,  Executive Secretary
               Cook County Clean Streams
 3             River Forest, Illinois

 4             A. D. Brandt, Manager
               Environmental Quality Control
 5             Bethlehem Steel Corporation
               Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
 6
               John Brasch, Asst. Director
 7             Bureau of Pish Management
               Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
 8             Madison,  Wisconsin

 9             Walter G. Bray
               Saugatuck Township
10             Saugatuck, Michigan

11             Robert W.J. Brett
               Asst. Professor of Environmental Engineering
12             Illinois  Institute of Technology
               Chicago,  Illinois
13
               Mrs. Andrew J.  Brisleu
14             League of Women Voters
               Chicago,  Illinois
15
               John R. Brough, Director
16             Air & Water Control
               Inland Steel Company
17             East Chicago, Indiana

18             William C. Brewer, Vice Chairman
               South Shore Property Owners'  Association
19             Chicago,  Illinois

20             Arthur P. Brown, Asst. Superintendent
               National  Steel Division
21             Portage,  Indiana

22             Mrs. James B. Brown, President
               League of Women Voters
23             Winnetka-Northfield-Kenilworth
               Winnetka, Illinois
24

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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              Joseph  Bruckner
               Loyola  University
 3              Niles,  Illinois

 4              J.  F. Bruckner,  Asst.  General  Manager
               Mackinac  Transport  Company
 5  |            Chicago,  Illinois

 6              William A.  Brungs,  Chief
               Fish Toxicology  Laboratory
 7              Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
               Cincinnati,  Ohio
 8
               H.  A. Buchanan,  Chief
 9              Reports Section
               Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
10              Chicago Program  Office
               Downers Grove, Illinois
11
               Robert  M.  Buckley,  P.E.,  Sanitary Engineer
12              Detroit Program  Office
               Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
13              Grosse  lie,  Michigan

14              Ronald  T.  Buddecke, Civil Engineer
               Corps of  Engineers, N.C.D.
15              Chicago,  Illinois

16              Charles G.  Bueltman, Vice President
               Technical Director
17              Soap &  Detergent Association
               New York,  New  York
18
               Edwin T.  Bull, President
19              Bull Towing &  Dredging
               Joliet, Illinois
20
               Donald  T.  Bunker, Principal
21              Conservation Education Committee
               Green Bay Board  of  Education
22              Green Bay,  Wisconsin

23              Robert  S.  Burd,  Director
               Water Quality  Standards Staff
24              Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
               Washington,  D. C.
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          OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Wallace Burkee, Mayor
               (71-hv nf Tformshfl
 3
N a. j. j. a, w c juuj..n.cc, i'*»j
City of Kenosha
Kenosha, Wisconsin
 4             Mrs.  Robert M. Burnett
               League of Women Voters
 5             Chicago,  Illinois

 6             Sol Burstein, Vice President
               Wisconsin Electric Power Company
 1             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 8             H.  W. Byers
               Superintendent of Public Schools
 9             Lake  County
               Waukegan, Illinois
10
               Marshall  F. Bynum,Commander
11             Chicago Park District
               Chicago,  Illinois
12
               Anne  F. Byrne, Microbiologist
13             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago Program Office
14             Chicago,  Illinois

15             William D. Calhoun
               Governmental Affairs Representative
16             Youngs town Sheet & Tube Company
               East  Chicago, Indiana
17
               Robert L. Camenisch, Attorney-In-Charge
18             Federal Trade Commission
               Chicago,  Illinois
19
               Paul  E. Cannon, Area Manager
20             Federal Aviation Administration
               Des Plaines, Illinois
21
               B.  W. Capek
22             Asst. to  the Executive Vice President
               Union Tank Car Company
23             Chicago,  Illinois

24             Gordon Carlson, Product Manager
               Carlson Division Koehler Dayton
25             Dayton, Ohio

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Andre L. Caron, Regional Engineer
              National Council  for Stream Ins.
 3             Western Michigan  University
              Kalamazoo, Michigan
 4
              J. Roland Carr, Regional Editor
 5             Engineering News  Record
              Chicago, Illinois
 6
              Howard A. Carter, Chairman
 7             Exhibit Committee
              Western Society of Engineers
 8             Winnetka, Illinois

 9             Mrs. Ruth Carter
              Asst. Project Control Clerk
10             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
11
              Todd A. Gayer, Sanitary Engineer
12             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
13
              Eugene Chaiken, Sanitary Engineer
14             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
15
              David C. Chandler, Professor
W             Zoology, University of Michigan
              Ann Arbor, Michigan
17
              Anton M. Chanlynn, President
18             Wisconsin Sportsman's Associates, Inc.
              Racine, Wisconsin
19
              Kathrinn Chatman, Statistical Clerk
20             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago Program Office
21             Chicago, Illinois

22             John D. Cherry, Asst. Regional Director
              Bureau of Outdoor Recreation
23             Ann Arbor, Michigan

24  !           Mrs. J. Clark Chisek
              League of Women Voters
25             Chicago, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Ralph G.  Christensen
               Research  & Development Programs
 3             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago,  Illinois
 4
               T.  Christie,  Engineer
 5             Precision Scientific
               Chicago,  Illinois
 6
               James P.  Clancey, Attorney
 7             Michigan  Iron Mining Association
               Clancey & Hansen
 8             Ishpeming, Michigan

 9             Fred A. Clarenbach, Professor
               Regional  Planning
10             University of Wisconsin
               Madison,  Wisconsin
11
               Edward C. Cleave
12             2638 Hillside Lane
               Evanston, Illinois
13
               A.  B. Clem
14             Public Relations
               Abbott Laboratories
15             North Chicago, Illinois

16             Ruth Collins
               UAF, AFL, CIO
17             Chicago,  Illinois

18             Thomas Conley, City Engineer
               City of Hammond
19             Hammond,  Indiana

20             T.  V. Conner, Reporter
               WFLD TV
21             Chicago,  Illinois

22             Mrs. Richard  L. Cook, Water Resources Chairman
               Park Ridge League of Women Voters
23             Park Ridge, Illinois

24             William P. Cooke, Senior Engineer
               Consumers Power Company
25             Jackson,  Michigan

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             J. B. Corey, Deputy  Commissioner
              Public Works, City of  Chicago
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Jack W. Cormack,  Principal Asst.  Engineer
              Greeley and Hansen
 5             Chicago, Illinois

 6             Robert J. Courchaine,  Regional  Engineer
              Michigan Water Resources  Commission
 7             Lansing, Michigan

 8             F. L. Coventry, Superintendent
              Gary Sanitary District
 9             Gary, Indiana

10             Gunther P. Craun, Sanitary Engineer
              U. S. Public Health  Service
11             Chicago, Illinois

12             Irene M. Cunningham
              League of Women Voters
13             of Western Springs
              Western Springs,  Illinois
14
              Quincy Dadisman,  Reporter
15             Milwaukee Sentinel
              Mequon, Wisconsin
16
              Eleanora Dahlmann, Water  Chairman
17             League of Women Voters
              of Lake Bluff
18             Lake Bluff, Illinois

19             Richard G. Dalbke
              Kaiser Engineers
20             Chicago, Illinois

21             Prank E. Dalton,  Chief Engineer
              Metropolitan Sanitary  District
22             of Greater Chicago
              Chicago, Illinois
23
              Karen Dardick
24             Northwestern University
              Evanston, Illinois
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Richard  D.  Davis,  Engineer
               Dow Chemical
 3             Ludington,  Michigan

 4             j.  Peter DeBraal,  Attorney
               University  of  Wisconsin
 5             U.  S.  Department of Agriculture
               University  of  Wisconsin Law School
 6             Madison, Wisconsin

 7             Paul E.  Deqarse, Biologist
               Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
 8             Madison, Wisconsin

 9             William  G.  Dinchak, Sanitary Engineer
               Illinois Sanitary Water Board
10             Chicago, Illinois

ll             James Dennis,  Engineering Draftsman
               Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
12             Chicago  Program Office
               Chicago, Illinois
13
               Robert W. Depke
14             Supervision, Lake County
               Gurnee,  Illinois
15
               David R. Despres,  Director
16             Dent County D.P.W.
               Grand Rapids,  Michigan
17
               Eugene H. Dibble,  Trustee
18             Metropolitan Sanitary
               District of Greater Chicago
19             Chicago, Illinois

20             G.  K. Dickerman
               Technical Asst. to President
21             Consolidated Papers, Inc.
               Wisconsin Rapids,  Wisconsin
22
               Irwin Dickstein, Chief
23             Pollution Surveillance
               Ohio Basin  Region
24             Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
               Cincinnati, Ohio
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             William G. Dinchak,Sanitary Engineer
              Illinois Sanitary Water  Board
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Mrs. Jerome Dintenfass
              League of Women Voters
 5             Hoffman Estates,  Illinois

 6             Thomas D. Dire
              Laborers International Union of  North America
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             Ellwodd W. Dix, Asst. for  Special  Projects
              Defense Contract  Audit Agency
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             Royce H. Dodge, Chief
              Facilities Management Branch
11             Chicago, Illinois

12             James P. Dooley,  Resource  Planner
              Illinois Department  of Business
13             and Economic  Development
              Springfield,  Illinois
14
              Mrs. J. R. Doty
15             DuPage League of  Women Voters
              Glen Ellyn, Illinois
16
              Michael D. Drall, Test Engineer
17             Wisconsin Electric Power Company
              Milwaukee, Wisconsin
18
              D. J. Dughie, General Manager
19             Wisconsin Mills,  Scott Paper Company
              Marinette, Wisconsin
20
              Jacob D. Dumelle, Asst.  Chief  Engineer
21             Metropolitan  Sanitary District
              of Greater Chicago
22             Chicago, Illinois

23             K. A. Dunbar, Manager
              Atomic Energy
24             Argonne, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Herbert J.  Dunsmore
               U.  S.  Steel
 3             Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania

 4             I.  C.  Dyer
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 5             Chicago Program Office
               Chicago, Illinois
 6
               Leroy V. Dzierzanowski, Sanitary Engineer
 7             Cook: County Health Department
               Chicago, Illinois
 8
               Mary Lou Eaglesham
 9             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago, Illinois
10
               Edward Edgerley, Jr.,  Vice President
11             Ryckraan, Edgerley, Burbank & Associates
               St.Louis, Missouri
12
               Allen T. Edmunds
13             Associate Regional Director
               National Park Service
14             East Lansing, Michigan

15             Charles V.R. Edward,  Asst. President
               Commerce Clearing  House, Inc.
16             Chicago, Illinois

17             Mrs, John R. Egan
               League of Women Voters of Chicago
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Albert A. Eisele,  Washington Correspondent
               Ridder Newspapers
20             Washington, D. C.

21             Roland Eisenbeis
               Superintendent of  Conservation
22             rorest Preserve District, Cook County
               i.'ver Forest, Illinois
23
               Abe Eiserroan, Trustee
24             Metropolitan Sanitary District
               of Greater  Chicago
25             Chicago, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Mrs. Giles A. Eldred
              Water Pollution Chairman
 3             Rock Island League of Women Voters
              Rock Island, Illinois
 4
              Mrs. Paul Elliott, Secretary
 5             Marquette Chapter, Izaak Walton League
              Gary, Indiana
 6
              Marshall C. Elmore, Chairman
 7             Water Pollution Commission
              Lake County Fish  & Game Protective Assn.
 8             Whiting, Indiana

 9             William Embry, Chief Sanitarian
              Evanston-North Shore Health Department
10             Evanston, Illinois

11             W.  G. Emrich, Highway Engineer
              Federal Highway Administration
12             Homewood, Illinois

13             Judy Epstein
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
14             Chicago, Illinois

15             P.  J. Erickson
              Michigan Canners  & Freezers Assn.
16             Michigan Fruit Canners, Inc.
              Benton Harbor, Michigan
17
              Lawrence A. Ernest, Laboratory Director
18             Milwaukee Sewerage Commission
              Milwaukee, Wisconsin
19
              Gary A. Evans, Resource Specialist
20             Bureau of Outdoor Recreation
              Ann Arbor, Michigan
21
              Frank J, Pagan, Administrative Assistant
22             UAW Conservation  Department
              Detroit, Michigan
23
              P.  William Felden, Jr., Manager
24             Safety & Security
              Clark Equipment  Company
25             Buchanan, Michigan

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OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE (CONTINUED):
Malcolm Fenton
Corporation Director Facilities
Martin Marietta Corporation
New York, New York

David Ferguson, Asst. Vice President
United States Steel
Chicago, Illinois

Kenneth Ficek, District Manager
Carus Chemical Company
LaSalle, Illinois

Robert Fields, Research Designer
Precision Scientific Company
Chicago, Illinois

Roger W. Findley
Associate Professor of Law
University of Illinois
Champaign, Illinois
Bob Finley, Chief
National Marketing Office
U.S. Department of the Interior
Chicago, Illinois

Terese G. Flschbach, Secretary
Federal Water Pollution Control Adminis
Chicago Program Office
Chicago, Illinois
Mrs. Kurt F. Fischer
231 North Prospect Avenue
Park Ridge, Illinois




























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Francis D. Fisher, Regional Administrator
Department of Housing & Urban Development
Chicago, Illinois
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Biology Unit
Federal Water Pollution Control Adminis
Chicago Program Office
Chicago, Illinois




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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Bert C. Pisix
              The Arnold Engineering  Company
 3             Marengo, Illinois

 4             Elizabeth Fleming
              League of Women Voters, Unit 1*2
 5             Chicago, Illinois

 6             Edward G. Fochtman,  Manager
              IIT Research Institute
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             George J. Foster, Reporter
              CBS News
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             S. A. Foust, Project Engineer
              Union Carbide
11             Whiting, Indiana

12             James A. Fcwler, Engineer
              Sinclair Refining Company
13             East Chicago, Indiana

14             Edward H. Frank
              Press Relations Representative
15             Bethlehem Steel Corporation
              Chicago, Illinois
16
              Herbert D. Fritz
17             Municipal Management Consultant
              P & W Engineers, Inc.
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Gilbert Frye
              Physical Science Technician
20             Federal Water Pollution Control  Administration
              Chicago Program Office
21             Chicago, Illinois

22             Stan Fryzel, Co-chairman
              Cook County Clean Streams
23             Dolton, Illinois

24

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             E.  Montford  Fucik,  President
               Harza Engineering Company
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             Mrs.  P. D. Puller
                    Wolf Road
 5             Western Springs,  Illinois

 6             F.  D.  Fuller, Chief Chemist
               Federal Water Pollution Control  Administration
 7             Chicago Program  Office
               Chicago,  Illinois
 8
               Tom S. Gable
               National  Sanitation Foundation
               Ann Arbor, Michigan
10
               Clifford  W.  Galen,  Plant Engineer
               Eaton Yale & Towne
               Battle Creek, Michigan
12
               M.  B.  Garnet
13             Federal Water Pollution Control  Administration
               hicago,  Illinois
14
               C.  W.  Gansz
               American  Petroleum  Institute
               Chicago,  Illinois
16
               Donald M. Gardiner,  Director
               Safety &  Technical  Service
               USAEC-CH
18             Argonne,  Illinois

               Dorothy Garmus
               League of Women Voters
20             Munster,  Indiana

21             Paul  Giblin
               5132  West Harrison
22             Chicago,  Illinois

23             James F.  Gibson
              4078 Highgate Road
24             Muskegon, Michigan
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Robert V. Glass
              Chicago's American
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             David B. Goldberg
              Chief Engineer of Sewers
 5             Bureau of Water & Sewers
              Chicago, Illinois
 6
              Nathan 3. Golub
 7             National Park Service, Northeast Region
              U. S. Department  of the Interior
 g             Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

 9             Richard Gore
              Northwestern University
10             Evanston, Illinois

H             W. J. Gossom, Industry Manager
              Waste Control, H.P.D., Chicago  Bridge &  Iron
12             Oak Brook, Illinois

13             Harold B. Gothaas, Dean
              Technological Institute
14             Northwestern University
              Great Lakes Commission
15             Evanston, Illinois

16             Catholine Graham
              League of Women Voters
17             Dolton, Illinois

18             Ross A. Granna, Trustee
              North Shore Sanitary District
19             Waukegan, Illinois

20             LeRoy E. Graiziger
              1005 Ridge
21             Homewood, Illinois

22             Edmund J. Grant
              Asst. Commissioner for Administration
23             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Washington, D. C.
24

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          OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):
 2             Herbert Greenspahn,  Asst.  Vice President
               Material Service
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Mrs.  Edna C.  Greuel,  League President
               League  of Women Voters
 5             Benton  Harbor-St.  Joseph,  Michigan
               St.  Joseph,  Michigan
 6
               James D. Griffith,  Chairman
 7             Committee on  Lake  Michigan Pollution
               Glenview, Illinois
 8.
               Mrs.  Ralph Griff ity
 9             League  of Women Voters,  Unit 42
               Chicago, Illinois
10
               John J. Grimes, Jr.
11             U. S. Steel  Corporation
               Waukegan, Illinois
12
               Chester W. Grobschmidt
13             Mayor of South Milwaukee
               South Milwaukee, Wisconsin
14
               Mrs.  Arthur  Grossmann
15             League  of Women Voters
               Highland Park,  Illinois
16
               Julius  H. Grubman,  Attorney
17             Metropolitan  Sanitary District
               of Greater Chicago
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Roger Grunow,  Sanitary Engineer
               Lake  County Health  Department
20             Waukegan, Illinois

21             James F.  Grutsch
               Coordinator of  Waste  Disposal
90
               American Oil  Company
               Chicago,  Illinois
MO
              Ben J.  Gryctro,  Executive  Secretary
              Federal Water  Pol
              Washington, D.  C.
24             Federal Water  Pollution  Control  Administration

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Audrey A. Grzywinski
              1623 East 55th Street
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             C. Fred Gurnham
              Illinois Institute  of  Technology
 5             Chicago, Illinois

 6             Roy Gurnham
              10159 South Leauitt
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             James E. Gwartney
              Supervisory Survey  Statistician
 9             U. S. Census Bureau
              Chicago, Illinois
10
              Harry P. Hagedorn
11             15031 Highland Avenue
              Orland Park, Illinois
12
              Mrs. Harry P. Hagedorn
13             League of Women Voters
              Orland Park, Illinois
14
              Otto S. Hallden, Chief
15             General Sanitation
              Illinois Department of Public  Health
16             Springfield, Illinois

17             K. W. Hamming
              Sargent & Lunox
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Paul D. Haney, Consulting  Engineer
              Black & Veatch
20             Kansas City, Missouri

21             Jack Hank
              Director of Public  Relations
22             Chicago Park District
              Chicago, Illinois
23
              George J. Hanks, Jr.,  Plant  Manager
24             Union Carbide Corporation
              Whiting, Indiana
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            William S. Hanley,  Attorney
                  East Ontario
 3            Chicago,  Illinois

              Rebecca W. Hanmer,  Program Analyst
              Water  Quality  Standards  Staff
 5            Federal Water  Pollution  Control  Administration
              Washington,  D. c.
 6
              Mrs. Howard  Hansen
              League of Women Voters
              Glen Ellyn,  Illinois

              Alfred F. Hanson, Plant  Engineering
              Johnson Motors
              Waukegan, Illinois
10
              Arnold M. Hanson, Research Assistant
              University of  Chicago
              Chicago,  Illinois
12
              Harry  D.  Harman
13            Vice President & Asst. General Manager
              Gary-Hobart  Water Corporation
              Gary,  Indiana

15            Gary D.  Harmon, Sanitary Engineer
              Illinois  Sanitary Water  Board
16            Chicago,  Illinois

I7            John D.  Harper, President
              The Marsan Corporation
18            Chicago,  Illinois

19            Art Harris
              Indianapolis News
              Indianapolis, Indiana

21            Peggy  Harris, Biologist
              Department of  the Interior
22            Federal  Water Pollution  Control  Administration
              Chicago  Program Office
23            Chicago,  Illinois

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Robert A. Harris, City Engineer
              City of South Milwaukee
 3             South Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 4             Lloyd L. Harrold, Research Supervisor
              U. D. Department of Agriculture
 5             Coshocton, Ohio

 6             J. A. Hart, Special Project Coordinator
              Mobil Oil Corporation
 7             East Chicago, Indiana

 8             Robert P. Hartley, Chief
              Surveillance
 9             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Cleveland Program Office
10             Cleveland, Ohio

11             Chester Harvey, District Engineer
              Michigan Water Resources Commission
12             Lansing, Michigan

13             Dan Haryman, Supervisor of Services
              National Steel Corporation
14             Portage, Indiana

15             Joel Hauemann, Reporter
              Chicago Sun-Times
16             Chicago, Illinois

17             Thomas E. Haviland, Sr., General Manager
              WCFL TV
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Dorothy A. Hawkins
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
20             Chicago Program Office
              Chicago, Illinois
21
              Ken C. Hayden, Application Engineer
22             Zurn Industries, Inc.
              Chicago, Illinois
23
              Richard J. Hayes, Asst. Director
24             American Bar Association
              Chicago, Illinois
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             F.  R.  Hazard
               Great Lakes  Dredge & Dock
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             James W.  Hedges
               Civil Engineer IV
 5             Chicago Department of Water &  Sewers
               Chicago,  Illinois
 6
               Mrs. Jo Heine
 7             Land & Water Resource State Chairman
               General Federal Women's Clubs
 8             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 9             Kenneth E. Heineman, Mayor
               City of Muskegon Heights
10             Muskegon Heights, Michigan

11             Mrs. George  Heitler
               League of Women Voters of Chicago
12             Chicago,  Illinois

13             Thorvald E.  Hendersen, Sanitary Engineer
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
14             Chicago,  Illinois

15             Mrs. C. A. Hendrickson, President
               Illinois  Federation of Women's Clubs
16             Chicago,  Illinois

17             Betty Herlihy
               League of Women Voters
18             Chicago,  Illinois

19             Chase N.  Hess, President
               Geneva Lake  Water Safety Committee
20             Lake Geneva,Wisconsin

21             Darryl L. Hessel
               Department of Conservation
22             University of Michigan
               Ann Arbor, Michigan
23
               George Hinman, Chairman
24             Physics Dept., Gulf General Atomic
               LaJolla,  California
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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              Mrs. T.  J, Hinze
               League of Women Voters  of  Rock Island
 3              Rock Island,  Illinois

 4              Robert A. Hirshfield, Staff  Engineer
               Commonwealth  Edison
 5              Chicago, Illinois

 6              Harlan D. Hirt, Water Resources Planner
               Federal  Water Pollution Control Administration
 7              Chicago, Illinois

 g              Mrs. Carlyle  Hodgkin
               Water Resources Committee  Member
 9              League of Women Voters  of
               LaGrange and  LaGrange Park
10              LaGrange, Illinois

11              Mary A.  Holly
               Federal  Water Pollution Control Administration
12              Midlothian, Illinois

13              Paul N.  Horeyseck,  Associate Director
               Continental Can Company
14              Chicago, Illinois

15              John L.  Hornbach,  City  Engineer
               City of  Grand Rapids
16              Grand Rapids, Michigan

17              Mrs. William  D. Horne
               League of Women Voters
18              Harrington, Illinois

19              D. D. Horton, General Attorney
               U. S. Steel Corporation
20              Chicago, Illinois

21              P. V. Houriet, Jr.
               Manager  of Merchandising
22              Allis-Chalmers
               Milwaukee, Wisconsin
23
               Richard  S. Howe
24              Department  of Water Resource Management
               University  of Wisconsin
25              Madison, Wisconsin

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Mrs.  John W.  Huck
               League  of Women Voters  of Chicago
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             C.  S. Huestis,  Consultant
               Continental  Can Company
 5             New York,  New York

 6             John Hughes,  Asst. Director of Research
               American  Colloid
 7             Skokie, Illinois

 g             D.  A. Hunt,  District Manager
               American  Bowser Corporation
 9             Aurora, Illinois

10             Mrs.  William J. Hunt
               Water Conservation Committee
11             Barrington League of Women Voters
               Barrington,  Illinois
12
               Madeline  Huston, Chemist
13             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago Program Office
14             Chicago,  Illinois

15             Mrs.  Thomas  Irvine
               League  of Women Voters
16             Buchanan,  Michigan

17             George  P.  Jackson
               Water Quality Control Specialist
18             Cities  Service  Oil Company
               Tulsa,  Oklahoma
19
               Deowin  Jacobs
20             Mayer & O'Brien
               Chicago,  Illinois
21
               I.  R. Jacobson
22             Great Lakes  Survey Corporation
               Sturgeon  Bay, Wisconsin
23
               Max Jakofsky, Hydraulic Engineer
24             U.  S. Army Corps of Engineers
               Chicago,  Illinois
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         OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):
 2             N. Lee James, Supervisor
              Consumers Power Company
 3             Jackson, Michigan

 4             Mrs. Joseph Jannelle, National Director
              Marquette Chapter, President
 5             Izaak Walton League of America
              Chesterton, Indiana
 6
              Florence Janulis, Director  of Board
 7             League of Women Voters of Danville
              Danville, Illinois
 8
              John P. Janus, Asst. Director
 9             USDA-C & MS - Consumer Pood Programs
              Chicago, Illinois
10
              William A. Jenkins, Captain
11             U. S. Coast Guard
              Washington, D. C.
12
              Sister Mary John SSMD, Chief Engineer
13             School Sister of Notre Dame
              Mequon, Wis.consin
14
              Clarence B. Johnson, City Commissioner
15             City of Wyoming
              Wyoming, Michigan
16
              Gerald P. Johnson, Superintendent
17             Sanitary District of Hammond, Inc.
              Hammond, Indiana
18
              James Johnson
19             WLS -ABC
              Chicago, Illinois
20
              Mrs. J. L. Johnson, Water Resources  Chairman
21             League  of Women Voters
              Barrington, Illinois
22
              R.  E. Johnson, Asst. Director
23             Bureau  of Sport Fisheries & Wildlife
              Washington, D. C.


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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Ron Johnson,  Staff Writer
               The Times
 3             Hammond,  Indiana

 4             Weltmrne  D.  Johnson
               Supervisor Organic Chemistry Laboratory
 5             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago Program Office
 6             Chicago,  Illinois

 7             R.  D.  Johnsos,  Deputy Commissioner
               for Water, Department of Water & Sewers
 8             Chicago,  Illinois

 9             Guy E.  Jones
               IBA
10             Chicago,  Illinois

11             R.  W.  Jones,  Marketing Specialist
               American  Dairy Review
12             Chicago,  Illinois

13             R.  Jordan, District Manager
               Calgon Corporation
14             Hinsdale,  Illinois

15             Peter V.  Judd,  Regional Manager
               NUS Corporation
16             Chicago,  Illinois

17             Malcolm P. Kallas
               Eastern Operations Office
18             Comprehensive Planning
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
19             Washington,  D.  C.

20             Clive D.  Kamins
               Asst.  to  Congressman Frank Annunzio
21             Chicago,  Illinois

22             Douglas Lee Kane
               University of Wisconsin
23             Madison,  Wisconsin

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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              Carolyn  J. Karthan,  Personnel  Assistant
               Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
 3              Chicago,  Illinois

 4              James A.  Kauanagh,  Chief Chemist
               Aqua Chemical,Inc.
 5              Waukesha, Wisconsin

 6  1            Robert Kaufmann
               University of  Wisconsin
 7              Madison,  Wisconsin

 8              David Kee, Economist
               Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
 9              Chicago  Program  Office
               Chicago,  Illinois
10
               Harriet  Kennedy, Laboratory  Director
11              Evsnston-North Shore Health  Department
               Evanston, Illinois
12
               Stan Kennedy,  City  Manager
13              City of  Highland Park
               Highland Park, Illinois
14
               James E.  Kerrigan,  Asst.  Director
15              Water Resources  Center
               University of  Wisconsin
16              Madison,  Wisconsin

17              William  Kessler, Senior Engineer
               Consumers Power  Company
18              Jackson,  Michigan

19              Jerrold  Keyworth, Chairman
               Michigan  Grand River Watershed Council
20              Lansing,  Michigan

21              Richard  Kienitz
               Milwaukee Journal
22              Madison,  Wisconsin

23              Ernest T. King,  Jr.,  Analytical Chemist          |
               Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration)
24              Chicago  Program  Office
               Chicago,  Illinois
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          OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             K.  B. King,  Assoc.  District Chief
               U.  S. Geological Survey - WRD
 3             Madison,  Wisconsin

 4             R.  Kirkconnell, Senior Engineer
               IITRI
 6             Chicago,  Illinois

 6             P.  W. Kittrell, Senior Consultant
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 7             Cincinnati,  Ohio

 8             Mrs.  C. W. Klassen
               2022  Park Drive
 9             Springfield, Illinois

10             Mrs.  A. Klemek
               6130  West 128th Street
11             Palos Heights, Illinois

12             Kark  J. Klepitsch,  Jr., Staff Engineer
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
13             Chicago,  Illinois
14             Dr.  A.  T.  Knecht
               Sinclair Researc
15             Harvey,  Illinois
Sinclair Research-^ Inc.
16             John Koenig,  Jr.
               Public Information
17             National Coal Policy Conf.,  Inc.
               Washington,  D,  C.
18
               Laurel Koertgen,  Water Resources  Chairman
               Skokie League of  Women Voters
               Park Ridge,  Illinois
20
               Henry J.  Kolbeck,  Civil Engineer
21             Wisconsin Electric Power Company
               Milwaukee, Wisconsin
22
               Mrs.  Edward  Kolhauser
23             6112 West 128th Street
               Palos Heights,  Illinois
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         OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   ( CONTINUED)?
 2             K. L. Kollar, Director
              Water Industries Division
 3             BDSA, U.S. Department of Commerce
              Silver Spring, Maryland
 4
              Jean Komaiko, Associate Editor
 5             Chicago Magazine
              Chicago, Illinois
 6
              Paul C. Korman
 7             United Auto Workers
              Chicago, Illinois
 8
              Edmund K. Kosciuch,  Consultant  Engineer
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             Ann L. Kovell
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
11             Chicago, Illinois

12             C. J. Kramer, Cavitette Supervisor
              Yeoman Brothers Corporation
13             Melrose Park, Illinois

14             Fred G. Krikau
              Environmental Control Engineer
15             Interlake Steel
              Chicago, Illinois
16
              A. Kristalyn
17             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago Program Office
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             R. H. Kroetz, Lawyer
              Commerce Clearing House
20             Water Control News
              Chicago, Illinois
21
              Peter G, Kuh, Staff  Assistant
22             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Washington, D. C.
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED)i

 2             Mrs, Louise Kwiatt
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 3             Chicago Program Office
               Chicago, Illinois
 4
               Bronson C. LaFollette, Attorney General
 5             Wisconsin State Capitol
               Madison, Wisconsin
 6
               H.  J. Laitner, President
 7             Laicon, Inc.
               LaGrange, Illinois
 8
               L.  E. Langdon, Vice President
 9             Pacific Flush Tank Company
               Chicago, Illinois
10
               Mrs. Albert Langelotting
11             Lake Michigan Basin Interstate
               League of Women Voters Committee
12             Chesterton, Indiana

13             Nicholas J. Lardieri, Manager
               Air & Water Resources
14             Scott Paper Company
               Philadelphia, Pennslyvania
15
               David F. C. Larkman, Industry Manager
16             Chicago Bridge & Iron
               Oak Brook, Illinois
17
               Charles W. Larsen,  Civil Engineer
18             Corps of Engineers
               Chicago, Illinois
19
               T.  E. Larson, Assistant Chief
20             Illinois State Water Survey
               Champaign, Illinois
21
               Mrs. W.J. Larson, Jr.
22             League of Women Voters of Elmhurst
               Elmhurst, Illinois
23
               Allen S. Lauin,  Attorney
24             Metropolitan Sanitary District
               of  Greater Chicago
25             Chicago, Illinois

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         OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):
 2             Harley F. Lawhead, Assistant  Chief
              Engineering Division
 3             Corps of Engineers
              North Central Division  Office
 4             Chicago, Illinois

 5             Samuel T. Lawton, Jr.,  Mayor
              City of Highland Park
 6             Highland Park,  Illinois

 7             Cornel A. Leahu, Gen. Superintendent
              East Chicago Sanitary District
 8             East Chicago, Indiana

 9             Ray D. Leary, Chief Engineer  &
              General Manager, Milwaukee
10             Metropolitan Sewer Commission
              Milwaukee, Wisconsin
11
              Paul F. Leavitt, Asst.  Chief  Engineer
12             Gerber Products Company
              Fremont, Michigan
13
              Daniel LeClair, General Manager
14             3138 Memorial Avenue
              Two Rivers, Wisconsin
15
              Jon J. Lee, Chemist
16             East Chicago Sanitary District
              East Chicago,, Indiana
17
              Kenneth Lehner, Superintendent
18             Chemical Services
              Wisconsin Electric  Power Company
19             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

20             Benn J. Leland, Sanitary Engineer
              Illinois Sanitary Water Board
21             Chicago, Illinois

22             John C. Lemmon, Editor
              Water  Control News
23             Commerce  Clearing House, Inc.
              Chicago, Illinois
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 1       OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            A. V. Lesley,  Public  Relations  Assistant
              Inland Steel  Company
 3            Chicago,  Illinois

 4            George Lesmck, Vice President
              Pairchild Instrument
 5            Chicago,  Illinois

 6            Marc Levenstern
              69 West Washington Street
 7            Chicago,  Illinois

 8            Mrs. Ezra Levin
              League of Women  Voters
 9            Champaign,  Illinois

10            Paul Levin, Research  Engineer
              General American Resources  Division
11            Niles, Illinois

12            George Liddle, Jr., District Engineer
              Michigan  Water Resources  Commission
13            Cadillac, Michigan

14            Leonard F.  Link,  Senior Engineer
              Argonne National Laboratory
15            Argonne,  Illinois

16            James P.  Linse,  Reporter
              Post-Tribune  (Gary)
17            Gary, Indiana

18            Jay A. Lipe,  Attorney
              208 South LaSalle
19            Chicago,  Illinois

20            Gene Little,  Manager
              Natural Resources
21            Michigan  State Chamber  of  Commerce
              Lansing,  Michigan
22
              Sister M. Lmeldis, SSND
23            Notre Dame of the Lake
              Mequon, Wisconsin
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Jerry Lottei,  Councilman
              Muskegon Heights
 3             Muskegon Heights,  Michigan

 4             Charles T.  Luczak
              Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
 5             Chicago, Illinois

 6             Ralph Luken, Asst.  Professor
              Water Resources Committee
 7             University  of  Michigan
              Conservation Department
 8             Ann Arbor,  Michigan

 9             Armon Lund, Village Manager
              Village of  Wilmette
10             Wilmette, Illinois

11             Erling H. Lunde, Arrangements  Committee
              Citizens of Greater Chicago
12             Chicago, Illinois

13             Thomas Lutz, Associate Editor
              National Safety News
14             National Safety Council
              Chicago, Illinois
15
              Lois C. MeCabe, Chairman of the  Board
16             Resources Research,Inc.
              Palls Church,  Virginia
17
              James H. McCall
18             Corporate Finance  Department
              Goodbody &  Company
19             Chicago, Illinois

20             Mrs. G. L.  McCormick
              State Conservation  Chairman
21             Wisconsin Federation  of Women's  Clubs
              Waukesha, Wisconsin
22
              Mrs. William R. McConochie
23  ,           League of Women Voters
   i           Glen Ellyn, Illinois
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 1       OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            H. D. McCullough,  City  Engineer
              City of  Milwaukee
 3            Milwaukee, Wisconsin

 4            James 0. McDonald,  Director
              Regional Construction Grants  Program
 5            Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
 6
              David C. McKinney
 7            Illinois Institute of Technology
              Chicago, Illinois
 8
              Dan Mcluer
 9            Corporate Communications
              Dow Chemical Company
10            Midland, Michigan                            ,

11            Dr. James McMahon,  Chairman
              McHenry  County Clean Streams
12            McHenry, Illinois

13            Ariel McMullen,  Water Resources Chairman
              North Brook League of Women Voters
14            North Brook, Illinois

15            Chester  McMullen,  Health Officer
              City of  Waukegan
16            Waukegan, Illinois

17            Mrs. W.  R. McMunn,  Water Chairman
              Munster  League of  Women Voters
18            Munster, Indiana

19            H. E. McReynolds,  Regional Fisheries Biologist
              U. S. Forest Service
20            Milwaukee, Wisconsin

21            Mrs. D.  E. Mackelmann
              League of Women  Voters
22            Chicago, Illinois

23            Robert G. Mackey
              Attorney
24            Chicago, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             C. P. MacNish, Chief
              Engineering Division
 3             Corps of Engineers, NCD
              Chr'cago, Illinois

              K. R. Majors, Industrial Specialist
 6             U. S. Department  of Agriculture
              Northern Utilization Research Lab
 6             Peoria, Illinois

 7             A. Hassan Makarechian, Project Engineer
              Harza Engineering Company
 8             Chicago, Illinois

 9             P. M. Mango
              D'Arey Advertising Company
10             Chicago, Illinois

11             Edward L. Marek, Regional Sanitary Engineer
              Illinois Department of Public Health
12             Aurora, Illinois

13             Thomas E. Mark, Manager
              Corplan Associates
14             Chicago, Illinois

15             Gerald Marks, Trustee
              Metropolitan Sanitary District
16             of Greater Chicago
              Chicago, Illinois
17
              James R. Marshall, Managing Editor
18             McGraw Hill's Air & Water News
              New York, New York
19
              P. J. Marshall, Consultant
20             Abbott Laboratories
              Wilmette, Illinois
21
Joseph H. Marter, Civil Engineer
University of Wisc
Madison, Wisconsin

David W. Martin, Engineer-Manager
Green Bay Metropolit
Green Bay, Wisconsin
22             University of Wisconsin

23

24             Green Bay Metropolitan Sewer  District

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Mary Martin
               Regina Dominican High School
 3             Winnetka,  Illinois

 .             John Martinek,  Superintendent
               Sewerage  System,  City of South Milwaukee
 _             South Milwaukee,  Wisconsin

               Betty J,  Mathias
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago,  Illinois

               John S. Matijevich,  State Representative
               31st District - Illinois
               North Chicago,  Illinois
 *r

10             C.  E. Maumann,  Chemist
               Marblehead Lime
               Chicago,  Illinois

12             Howard G.  Mayer
               Mayer and O'Brien,  Inc.
,„             Chicago,  Illinois
is

..             James A.  Meany, Chief Sanitary Officer
               Chicago Board of  Health
._             Chicago,  Illinois

16             James W.  Meek
               612 A Street N.W.
               Washington,  D.C.

               J.  Edward Meers,  Superintendent-Manager
               Sanitary  District of Bloom TWP
               Chicago Heights,  Illinois

20             Nicholas  J.  Melas,  Trustee
               Metropolitan Sanitary District
               of  Greater Chicago
               Chicago,  Illinois
22
               Clifford  N.  Melby,  Auditor
23             U.  S. General Accounting Office
               Chicago,  Illinois
24

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         OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED);
 2             H. J. Mersereau,  Plant  Manager
              Simplicity Pattern  Company,  Inc.
 3             Niles, Michigan

 4             R. C. Merson
              City of St. Joseph
 8             St. Joseph, Michigan

 6             Albert J. Meserow,  Chairman
              Great Lakes Commission  of  Illinois
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             Glenn W. Metcalfe,  Supervisor  of  Sanitation
              Chicago Park District
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             C. T. Mickle,  Chief of  M&O
              Sanitary District
11             Chicago, Illinois

12             Mrs. Michoel Michritz,  Chairman
              Water Resources
13             Hobart League  of Women  Voters
              Hobart, Indiana
14
              Carlos Mikkelsen, City  Councilman
15             City of Whitehall
              Whitehall, Michigan
16
              Francis J. Miller,  Director
17             Wisconsin Wildlife  Federation
              Racine, Wisconsin
18
              Henry A. Miller,  Chairman
19             Cook County Clean Streams
              Riverside, Illinois
20
              Herbert Miller, Environmental  Specialist
21             DeLaval Separation  Company
              Chicago, Illinois
22
              J. H. Miller,  Chief Engineer
              Wisconsin  Steel  C«
              Chicago, Illinois
no
 0             Wisconsin Steel Company

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Mrs. L. E, Miller
               5630 North Sheridan
 3             Chicago,Illinois

 4             Richard Miller
               Asst. Professor of Geography
 5             Carthage College
               Kenosha, Wisconsin
 6
               Jaines W. Milne, Vice President of Operations
 7             Abbott Laboratories
               North Chicago, Illinois
 8
               William D. Mitchell, District Chief
 9             W.  R. Division, U.S. Geology Survey
               Champaign, Illinois
10
               Steve Mitnck,  Plant Engineer
11             American Steel Foundries
               Chicago, Illinois
12
               Gertrude B.  Moore,  Member
13             Insecticide  &  Pesticide Commission
               Izaak Walton League of America
14             Wilmette,  Illinois

15             R.  Edwin Moore, Vice President
               International  Telephone & Telegraph Company
16             Morton Grove,  Illinois

17             Grace Moran
               Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration
18             Chicago Program Office
               Chicago,  Illinois
19
               Samuel Moreell, Jr.,  Construction Engineer
20             1619  Morse Avenue
               Chicago,  Illinois
21
               C.  Richard Morgan,  Senior Staff Associate
22             Acorn Park
               Cambridge, Massachusetts
23
               Don L.  Morgan,  Plant Manager
24             Morton Chemical
               Manistee,  Michigan
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 1         OTHERS  IN  ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             R.  E.  Morris,  Asst.  General Manager
              Control  Data  Corporation
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             Thomas Morris
              Secretary Board of Trustees
 5             City  of  East  Chicago
              Department of  Water  Works
 6             East  Chicago,  Indiana

 7             Mrs.  Don Morrison
              727 Hibbard Road
 8             Wilmette,  Illinois

 9             John  R.  Morrow,  Asst.  Attorney General
              State of Illinois
10             Springfield,  Illinois

11             Mrs.  D.  B.  Morton
              1425  Cherry Road
12             Springfield,  Illinois

13             Ruth  C.  Mosser
              League of  Women Voters
14             Chicago,  Illinois

15             Raymond  Mostek,  President
              Illinois  Audubon Society
16             Chicago,  Illinois

17             Donald Mount,  Director
              National Water Quality Lab.
18             Federal  Water  Pollution Control Administration
              Duluth,  Minnesota
19
              Marti Mueller
20             Journalism Research
              Northwestern University
21             Evanston,  Illinois

22             A.  Thomas  Munizzo
              Asst.  Director Special Services
23             Chicago  Park District
              Chicago.,  Illinois
24

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Ed Munro, Commissioner
              King County Advisory Committee
 3             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Seattle, Washington
 4
              Neil Munro, Reporter
 5             Grand Rapids Press
              Grand Rapids, Michigan
 6
              Charles W. Murray, Jr.
 7             Planning & Program Grants Officer
              PWPCA - Ohio Basin Region
 8             Cincinnati, Ohio

 9             Richard J. Murtaugh, Resources Scientls-t
              Continental Can Company
10             Chicago, Illinois

11             Arthur F. Muschler, Technical Director
              Edward Hines Lumber Company
12             Chicago, Illinois

13             Mrs. Arthur L. Muschler
              Water Resource Chairman
**             Elmhurst League of Women Voters
              Oak Brook, Illinois
15
              Ed Nash, Reporter
16             Waukegan News -Sun

17             Captain John Natwig
              Commander Coast Guard Group
18             Chicago, Captain of the Port
              Chicago, Illinois

              Mrs. H. F. Nealis
20
              League of Women Voters
              Des Plaines, Illinois

              Charles Neermann, Sales Manager
              Aqua Systems Corporation
Chicago, Illinois

Mrs. John D. Neesley
League of Women
Munster, Indiana
              League of Women Voters

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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Richard S. Nelle
              Water Resources Engineer
 3             Illinois Department  of Health
              Springfield,  Illinois
 4
              0. Fred Nelson, Manager
 5             Kenosha Water Utility
              Kenosha, Wisconsin
 6
              Richard J. Nelson, Director
 7             Public Relations
              Inland Steel  Company
 8             Chicago, Illinois

 9             Tom Nelson, Administrative Assistant
              Village of Winnetka
10             Winnetka, Illinois

11             William R. Nelson, Director
              Resources & Development
12             Green Bay Packaging  Inc.
              Green Bay, Wisconsin
13
              E. J. Nesselson,  Director
14             Air & Water Management
              Velsicol Chemical Corporation
15             Chicago, Illinois

16             J. Robert Nicholson, Regional  Engineer
              Zimpro Division Sterling Drug,  Inc.
17             Oak Brook, Illinois

18             H. C. Niemann
              Division Headquarters Assistant
19             Sinclair Refining Company
              East Chicago, Indiana
20
              Jeffery Niemann
21             Valparaiso University
              Valparaiso, Indiana
22
              Horace 0. Nixon,  Chief
23             Branch Water  Management
              Forest Service
24             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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 1       OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            Arnold Noble,  Documentary  Producer
              Wood-TV Time-Life  Broadcast
 3            Grand Rapids,  Michigan

 4            Gregory Norwell, Attorney
              U. S. Army  Corps of  Engineers
 5            Chicago, Illinois

 6            Ronald J. Nugent
              Manager of  Engineering
 7            Ott Chemical Company
              Muskegon, Michigan
 8
              Carl TTumelin,  Plant  Engineer
 9            Morton Chemical Company
              Manisoee, Michigan
10
              Mrs. Robert E. O'Brien, Water  Chairman
11            League of Women Voters of  Hinsdale
              Hinsdale, Illinois
12
              Herman A. Ogren, Assoc. Project  Biologist
13            Carthage College
              Kenosha, Wisconsin
14
              Frederic C. Olds,  Associate Editor
15            Power Engineering  Magazine
              Barrington, Illinois
16
              L. B. O'Leary, Director
17            Detroit Program Office
              Federal Water  Pollution Control  Administration
18            Grosse lie, Michigan

19            Harold F. Olen, Vice  President
              Marsan Corporation
20            Chicago, Illinois

21            J. Clen, Secretary
              Marsan Corporation
22            Chicago, Illinois

23            Don Olesen
              Milwaukee Journal
24            Milwaukee,  Wisconsin

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             F. P. Ollivierr, Assistant Chairman
              FEB
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Howard E. Olson, Chief
              Economic Br. & Planning Division
 5             U. S. Army Corps of Engineers
              Chicago, Illinois
 6
              Theodore F. Olson, Regional Director
 7             Bureau cf the Census
              Chicago, Illinois
 8
              Richard A. Ott, Administrative Assistant
 9             Illinois State Medical Society
              Chicago, Illinois
10
              Mrs. C. R. Ownbey
11  ]           33 North Spring
              LaGrange, Illinois
12
              Lucille R. Ozanne
13             Secretary to Regional Director
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
14             Chicago, Illinois

15             Normand A. Paasch, Director of Information
              Cook County Clean Streams Commission
16             Hornewood, Illinois

17             William B. Pacheco, Staff Engineer
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Ray Pagel, Press
              Press-Gazette
20             Green Bay, Wisconsin

21             Ted Pankcwski, Asst. Director
              Construction & Resource Department
22             United Auto Workers
              Detroit, Michigan
23

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OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE (CONTINUED):
John D. Parkhurst

President's Water Pollution
Control Advisory Board
Los Angeles, California

Robert W. Patterson




Federal Water Pollution Control
Advisory Board
Bar Harbor, Virginia
Harry M. Pawlowski
Administrative Engineer
of Water & Sewers
Chicago, Illinois








C. Pemberton, Jr., Sanitary Engineer
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
Chicago, Illinois

Virginia Pemberton
1401 Thornwood Drive
Downers Grove, Illinois







Gunnar A. Peterson, Director
Open Lands Project
Chicago, Illinois

Ralph Petsie, Engineer
Eagle Ottowa Leather
Grand Haven, Michigan

Donald F. Phillips, Staff
American Medical Associati
Chicago, Illinois

John K. Pingel, Sr. Health
U. S. Atomic Energy Commls
Argonne, Illinois

Eugene Pinks taff, Sanitary







Associate
on


Physicist
si on


Engineer
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
Chicago, Illinois



Mrs. Robert Piper, Water Chairman
League of Women Voters of Winnetka
Winnetka, Illinois




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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              Gary Pitchford
               Northwestern University
 3              Chicago, Illinois

 4              Henry  L. Pitts
               208 South LaSalle Street,  Room 1766
 5              Chicago, Illinois

 6              Mrs. C. E.  Pleak, President
               Hobart Garden Club
 7              Hobart, Indiana

 8              Herbert L.  Plowman, Jr., Chief Chemist
               Gary-Hobart Water Corporation
 9              Gary,  Indiana

10              James  W. Polk
               Assistant Regional Commissioner
11              U. 3.  Customs
               Chicago, Illinois
12
               Virginia Pomerance
13              Elmhurst League of Women Voters
               Elmhurst, Illinois
14
               Lawrence K. Pomeroy, Reporter
15              CBS News
               Chicago, Illinois
16
               William P.  Porcelli, Asst. Counsel
17              Interlake Steel Corporation
               Chicago, Illinois
18
               Mrs. H. W.  Poston
19              5630 North  Sheridan
               Chicago, Illinois
20
               R. E. Poulsen, Superintendent
21              Water  Plant, Highland  Park
               Highland Park, Illinois
22
               John M. Rademacher, Director
23              Division of Technical  Services
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
24              Washington, D. C.

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            Verdun Randolph,  Asst.  Chief  Engineer
              Illinois  Department  of  Public Health
 3            Springfield,  Illinois

 4            G. L. Rao, Research  Scientist
              IIT Research  Institute
 5            Chicago,  Illinois

 6            Arnold J. Rauen,  Chairman
              Chicago Federal Executive  Board
 7            Chicago,  Illinois

 8            Mrs. Lawrence Reed
              League of Women Voters
 9            Chicago,  Illinois

10            Philip A. Reed
              Filtration Engineer  V
11            Chicago Water Purification Division
              Chicago,  Illinois
12
              Alyce Renaud, Chairman
13            League of Women Voters
              Palos Park, Illinois
14
              Mrs. George J. Reuss, Water Chairman
15            League of Women Voters
              Wheaton,  Illinois
16
              S. E. Reynolds
17            Water Pollution Advisory Committee
              Santa Fe, New Mexico
18
              William A. Riaski, Executive  Director
19            Izaak Walton  League  of  America
              Glenview* Illinois
20
              John A. Ricker
21            4723 Broadway
              Chicago,  Illinois
22
              R. W. Richards, Manager
23            Chicago Office, Stanley Consultants
              Chicago,  Illinois
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             M.D.R. Riddell
              Greeley & Hansen
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Joan Riehm
              Northwestern University
 5             Evanston, Illinois

 6             Mrs. Robert Rife
              League of Women Voters
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             John E. Riley, Manager
              Melpar, Inc.
 9             Falls Church, Virginia

10             Joseph D. Riley
              Legal Tax Insurance Manager
11             ¥elch Grape Juice Company
              Wenfield, New York
12
              James C. Ringenoldus, Head
13             Water Resource Division
              Harza Engineering Company
14             Chicago, Illinois

15             Mrs. Clifford Risley
              3235 Grand Boulevard
16             Brookfield, Illinois

17             Clifford Risley, Jr., Director
              Chicago Program Office
18             Federal Water Pollution  Control  Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
19
              William Neale Roach
20             Koehler-Dayton, Inc.
              Washington, D. C.
21
              Mrs. Raymond E. Robertson,  President
22             League  of Women Voters  of Illinois
              Chicago, Illinois
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 *        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Clarence J. Robson, Sanitary Inspector
              Chicago Sanitary Water Board
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Robert W. Roden
              University of Wisconsin
 5             Madison, Wisconsin

 6             E. N. Rogers, Chief Estimator
              Dunbar & Sullivan Dredging Company
 7             Chicago, Illinois

 8             Ted Rogowski, Asst. Solicitor
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 9             Washington, D. C.

10             Mrs. Samuel Rome, Water Resources Chairman
              League of Women Voters of Illinois
11             Chicago, Illinois

12             Judie Romso, Asst. Midwest Bureau Chief
              Chemical Week Magazine
13             Chicago, Illinois

14             Thomas Allan Rose
              Vice President & General Manager
15             American Bowser Corporation
              Aurora, Illinois
16
              Earl Rosenberg, Vice President of Engineering
17             Laicon, Inc.
              LaGrange, Illinois
18
              Dr. P. J. Hosenbloom, Health Commissioner
19             Gary Board of Health
              Gary, Indiana
20
              Mrs. Haskell Rcsemblum
21             Water Pollution Control Advisory Board
              U. 3. Department of the Interior
22             Washington, D. C.

2^             Philip Rothenberg, Attorney
              Metropolitan Sanitary District of
24             Greater Chicago
              Chicago, Illinois
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 1         OTHERS  IN  ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2              Edward C.  Rubin,  Regional Manager
               Chicago Pump - PMC Corporation
 3              Oakorook,  Illinois

 4              Arthur K.  Rude, Alderman
               City  of Muskegon
 5              l\or^h Muskegcn, Michigan

 6              Rooert Ruleau
               Ruleau Brothers Fisheries
 7              Cedar River, Michigan

 g              William Rummei, Program Advisor
               U.  3. Customs
 9              Chicago, Illinois

10              Marllynn Rust
               Kedill School of  Journalism
11              Evanston,  Illinois

12              Robert H.  Ruskamp, General Engineer
               GSA-PBS Region V
13              Building Management Division
               Chicago, Illinois
14
               Harold S.  Russell
15              11 South LaSalle  Street
               Chicago, Illinois
16
               G.  H. Ruston, Manager
17              Racine Water Utility
               Racine, Wisconsin
18
               Herman J.  Ruta, Regional Engineer
19              Chicago Pump
               Oakbrook,  Illinois
20
               Roger  E.  Sacis
21              University of Wisconsin
               Madison, Wisconsin
22
               Charles Sandor, Superintendent
23              Hammond Water Department
               Hammond, Indiana
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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Mrs. Esther Sapersteln
               State Senator
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             George Sawicki, Co-chairman
               Group 400,  Cook County Clean  Streams
 5             Niles, Illinois

 6             Eugene Sawyer
               Civil Engineer V
 7             Bureau of Chicago
               Chicago,  Illinois
 8
               LeRoy Scarce,  Director of Laboratories
 9             Federal ¥ater Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago Program Office
10             Chicago,  Illinois

H             Donald Schantz, Vice  President
               Gulf & Western Auto Appliance  Division
12             Grand Rapids,  Michigan

13             Robert E. Scheible, Chief Sanitary Engineer
               Headquarters Fifth U.  S.  Army
14             Fort Sheridan,  Illinois

is             Steven Schiff,  Research Aide
               Commission on Illinois Government
16             Chicago,  Illinois

17             Dianne Schlenz
               Harrington,  Illinois
18
               Harry E.  Schlenz,  President
19             Pacific Flush Tank Company
               Chicago,  Illinois
20
               Norma Schlenz
21             Barrington,  Illinois

22             Allan F.  Schmalzriedt
               Asst.  General  Counsel
23             Chesapeake & Ohio  Railway
               Detroit,  Michigan
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Ed Schmid, Asst.  to  President
              Reserve Mining Company
 3             Silver Bay, Minnesota

 4             R. Stephen Schneider, Editor
              Great Lakes Foundation
 5             Ann Arbor, Michigan

 6             Arthur Schrage, Chief of Field  Operations
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 7             Detroit Program Office
              Grosse lie, Michigan
 8
              William J. Schuck, Regional Economist
 9             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
              Chicago, Illinois
10
              Jeanette B. Schultl, Water Resource  Chairman
11             Palos Orland League  of Women Voters
              Palos Park, Illinois
12
              Mrs. Paul Schulze III
13             33 East Cedar Street
              Chicago, Illinois
14
              Paul Schulze III, Executive Vice  President
15             Schulze-Burch Bis. Company
              Chicago, Illinois
16
              Ray A. Schuster,  Special Projects Editor
17             Plant Engineering Magazine
              Barrington, Illinois
18
              Dr. Henry G. Schwartz, Jr., Project  Engineer
19             Sverdrup & Parcel
              St. Louis, Missouri
20
              Raymond A. Schwarz,  Biologist
21             Forest Preserve District of
              Cook County
22             River Forest, Illinois

23             C. H. Scott, Director of Sales
              American Bowser Corporation
24             Aurora, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Roger  G. Seaman
              Metropolitan Sanitary District
 3             of Greater Chicago
              Chicago, Illinois
 4
              H. W.  Seeley, Asst. Vice  President
 5             and Chief Engineer
              Ann Arbor Railroad
 6             Dearborn, Michigan

 7             Gerald D. Seinwill
              University of Wisconsin
 8             Madison, Wisconsin

 9             Robert K. Sengw,  Engineer
              University of Wisconsin
10             Agricultural Engineering  Department
              Sun Prairie, Wisconsin
11
              Mrs. Robert Sessums
12             125 Magnolia Drive
              Metairie, Louisiana
13
              Roy T. Sessums
14             Pollution Advisory Board
              New Orleans, Louisiana
15
              John T. Sewell, Director
16             Federal Programs
              Board  of Education
17             Green  Bay, Wisconsin

18             Edwin  S. Shannon, Manager
              Pollution Control, Dow Chemical  Company
19             Midland, Michigan

20             James  L. Sheadon, Supervisor
              USDA-C&MS-CFP
21             Chicago, Illinois

22             David  Shaerer, Maintenance Engineer
              Eaton  Yale & Towne
23             Valve  Division
              Battle Creek, Michigan
24

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         OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):
 2             C. Owsley Shephard,  Special Writer
              Chicago's American
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Peter J. Sheridan,  Editor
              Occupational Hazards  Magazine
 5             Cleveland,  Ohio

 6             Mrs. John E. Shreve
              Steering Commission for  Indiana
 7             Lake Michigan  Inter League Group
              League  of Women Voters
 8             Michigan City, Indiana

 9             Mrs. John Shubeck
              League  of Women Voters
10             Arlington Heights,  Illinois

11             M. W. Sibley,  Water Engineer
              Rock Island Railroad
12             Chicago, Illinois

13             Mrs. Milton Sibley
              601 Walker  Street
14             Michigan City, Indiana

15             Robert  C. Singer
              Public  Relations Director
16             The Soap &  Detergent Association
              New York, New  York
17
              Mrs. Antone G. Singsen
18             League  of Women Voters  of  Winnetka
              Winnetka, Illinois
19
              Joseph  Skok,  Staff  'Writer
20             Chicago Department  of Water  & Sewers
              Chicago, Illinois
21
              John Skorupski,  Water Superintendent
22             City of South  Milwaukee
              South  Milwaukee, Wisconsin
23
              Alan Slingo,  Sanitary Engineer
24             Department  of  the  Navy
              Great  Lakes,  Illinois
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 1       OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2            Joseph V. Slovick, Hydraulic Technician
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
 3            Chicago, Illinois

 4            Stephen P. Small
              Northwestern University
 5            Chicago, Illinois

 6            William D. Smart, Director
              Chemical Manufacturing
 7            Abbott Laboratories
              North Chicago, Illinois
 8
              Murray C. Smith
 9            Portage City Council
              Portage, Indiana
10
              Robert W. Smock, Resident Editor
11            Steel Magazine
              Chicago, Illinois
12
              James C. Soper, State Senator
13            Seventh District, Secretary
              Northern Illinois Water Resources Commission
14            Cicero, Illinois

15            Kenneth E. Sorensen, Vice President
              Harza Engineering Company
16            Chicago, Illinois

17            Paul T. Spelman,  City Engineer
              City of Wyoming
18            Wyoming, Michigan

19            Charles M. Squarcy, Asst. to Vice President
              Inland Steel Company
20            East Chicago, Indiana

21            Fred Staben, Asst. Superintendent
              Waukegan Water Utility
22            Waukegan, Illinois

23            Mrs. P. Stafford
              Lake County League of Women Voters
24            Hobart, Indiana

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2              Shirley  Stan
               ilOO West Madison
 3              Chicago,  Illinois

 4              Elmer W.  Stange
               McHenry  Clean  Streams
 5  I            McHenry,  Illinois

 6              William  E.  Stanley,  Senior Associate
               Ryckman-Edgerley-Burhank  & Associates
 7              Clarendon Hills,  Illinois

 8              Mrs. Robert L. Stanton
               League of Women Voters
 9              LaGrange, Illinois

10              John B.  Stark
               5645 North  Central Avenue
11              Chicago,  Illinois

12              Curtis Steen,  Plant  Manager
               Stokely  Van Camp  Inc.
13              Hart, Michigan

14              J. E. Stein, Director
               Research &  Development
15              Metropolitan Sanitary  District
               of Greater  Chicago
16              Chicago,  Illinois

17              A. E. Steinbrecher,  General Manager
               Northern Michigan Electric Corp.
18              Bayne City, Michigan

19              Jack W.  Steiner,  Sanitary Engineer
               Water Purification Division
20              Chicago,  Illinois

21              S. M. Stephenson, Director
               Department  of  Environmental Health
22              Holland,  Michigan

23              A. M. Sterba,  Associate
               Consoer,  Townsend &  Associates
24              Consulting  Engineers
               Chicago,  Illinois
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED)j

 2             Bennett M. Stewart, Asst.  to Chairman
              Chicago Federal Executive  Board
 3             Chicago, Illinois

 4             Susan Stocking
              1570 Ashland Avenue
 6             Evanston, Illinois

 $             Fred Stone, Sales Manager  V
              Monogram Ind.
 7             Los Angeles, California

 g             Jerry Stostrom
              Community News Service
 9             Chicago, Illinois

10             William Straczek
              Director of Laboratory
11             Sanitary District of Bloom TWP
              Chicago Heights, Illinois
12
              Philip B. Straus
13             Legislative Assistant
              Illinois Legislature
14             Highland Park, Illinois

15             Earl E. Straynorn, Vice President
              Metropolitan Sanitary District
16             of Greater Chicago
              Chicago, Illinois
17
              Len Strong, Senior Engineer
18             Honeywell Inc.
              Harvey, Illinois
19
              Mrs. Mad W. Sueewsky, Legislative Chairman
20             Wisconsin Federation of Women's Clubs
              Mequon, Wisconsin
21
              Martin Suess
22             322 Gillett Avenue
              Waukegan, Illinois
23

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             D. A.  Sullivan,  Consulting  Engineer
              31^ West  Suttenfield
 3             Port Wayne,  Indiana

 4             David  Sullivan,  Reporter
              United Press International
 5             Chicago,  Illinois

 6             Mrs. James N.  Sullivan
              Tri-City  Advertiser
 7             Dolton, Illinois

 8             E. R.  Sutherland,  Chairman
              Thilmany  Pulp &  Paper Company
 9             Kaukauna, Wisconsin

10             R. J.  Sutphen, Division Manager
              Dunbar &  Sullivan  Dredging  Company
11             Chicago,  Illinois

12             Art Swaer
              Wholesale Fish
13             Green  Bay, Wisconsin

14             Kenneth A. Swarts, Senior Engineer
              Nuclear,  Consumers Power  Company
15             Jackson,  Michigan

16             Arlene Szlung, Secretary
              Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
17             Chicago,  Illinois

18             Bruno  Szpieg, Jr.
              Plant  Facilities Engineer
19             Continental  Motors Corporation
              Muskegon, Michigan
20
              Mrs. Vera Tharp, Dietary  Consultant
21             6lU South Fourth Street
              Springfield, Illinois
22
              Eugene Theios, Asst.  Director
23             Division  of  Environmental Health
              Lake  County  Health Department
24             Waukegan, Illinois

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Richard R.  Thiel
               University  of Wisconsin
 3             Woddelton,  Wisconsin

 4             George  E. Thiem, Trustee
               Metropolitan Sanitary District
 5             of Greater  Chicago
               Chicago, Illinois
 6
               Walter  V. Thomas, Health Physicist
 7             USAEC,  Chicago Headquarters
               Argonne, Illinois
 8
               Charles W.  Thompson,  City Manager
 9             City of Wyoming
               Wyoming, Michigan
10
               Collins E.  Thornton
11             Executive Asst.  to Mayor
               Michigan Grand River  Watershed Council
12             Lansing, Michigan

13             Mrs.  George Timmer
               League  of Women Voters
14             Elmhurst, Illinois

15             R.  L. Toerlng,  General Supervisor
               Fuel  &  Steam Engineering
16             U.  S. Steel - Gary Works
               Gary, Indiana
17
               Mrs.  Ted Tom
18             League  of Women Voters
               Munster, Indiana
19
               John  W.  Townsend
20             Consoer, Townsend & Associates
               Chicago, Illinois
21
               Lee E.  Townsend,  Director
22             Rochester Program Office
               Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
23             Rochester,  New York

24

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             M. L. Trager, Administrative Assistant
              Indiana & Michigan Electric Company
 3             Fort Wayne, Indiana

 4             V. P. Traina, Industrial Manager
              Chicago Bridge &  Iron
 5             Oakbrook, Illinois

 6             F. W. Trezise, Dean Engineering
              University of Illinois  - Chicago
 7             Evanston, Illinois

 8             Roy E. Trim, City Manager
              City of Whitehall
 9             Whitehall, Michigan

10             Mrs. Donald Trunys, Director
              League of Women Voters  of Indiana
11             Valparaiso, Indiana

12             Herman L. Tschentke, Chairman
              Water Supply, Ridge Civic Council, Chicago
13             Chicago, Illinois

14             Fred E. Tucker, Manager
              Pollution Control Services
15             National Steel
              Weirton, West Virginia
16
              Arthur W. Tuemler
17             Asst. to Works Chief Engineer
              U. S. Steel Corporation
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Logan E. Tuthill
              Warren Cook Chemical Company
20             Richton Park, Illinois

21             Stan Twardy, Coordinator
              Air & Water Conservation
22             Standard Oil Company
              Chicago, Illinois
23
              Dr. J. A.  Vaichulis, Bacteriologist
24             Chicago Board of  Health Laboratories
              Chicago, Illinois
25

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Dorothy Van de Mark
               629 Fullerton Parkway
 3             Chicago,  Illinois

 4             Hichard A.  Vanderhoff,  Regional Director
               Ohio Basin  Region
 5             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Cincinnati,  Ohio
 6
               Dr. Cornelius A. Van Doren
 7             Branch Chief, Bombelt
               USDA Research,  University of Minnesota
 8             St. Paul, Minnesota

 9             Fred N. VanKirk
               Consoer,  Townsend  & Associates
10             Chicago,  Illinois

11             E.  G.  VanSickle, Executive Secretary
               Michigan Canners & Freezers Assn.
12             Shelby, Michigan

13             Mrs. James  T. Venerable
               League of Women Voters
14             of  Crystal  Lake
               Huntley,  Illinois
15
               A.  D.  Ventrella, Staff  Engineer
lfi             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago,  Illinois
17
               T.  W.  VerValin, Consultant
18             162 East Ontario
               Chicago,  Illinois
19
               Stanley G.  Viktora,  Sanitary Engineer
20             Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
               Chicago,  Illinois
21
               Frank  I. Vilen, Superintendent
22             Water  Pollution Control Division
               Kenosha Water Utility
oq                                 "
               Kenosha, Wisconsin

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 1         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Albert  G. Vinict,  President
              Board of Trustees
 3             City of East  Chicago
              Department  of Water Works
 4             East Chicago, Indiana

 5             Kenneth R»  Voight
              Federal Water Pollution Control  Administration
 6             Chicago, Illinois

 7             D.  L. Voig.ts, Technical Director
              Packaging Corporation  of America
 g             Filer City, Michigan

 9             Marilyn J.  Voss
              Medill  School of Journalism
10             Northwestern  University
              Evans ton, Illinois
11
              Mr. Robert  Vujovich
12             Water Debris  Removal
              Chicago, Illinois
13
              James Wahlman, Associate Editor
14             Pioneer Newspapers Inc.
              Highland Park, Illinois
15
              DeYarman Wallace,  Research Supervisor
16             Youngstown  Sheet & Tube
              Youngs town, Ohio
17
              Mrs. Melba  Wallack
18             League  of Women Voters
              Chicago, Illinois
19
              Robert  0. Waller,  Chief Water  Engineer
20             Bureau  of Water, Dept. of  Water  & Sewers
              Chicago, Illinois
21
              John R. Walnout,  City  Councilman
22             City of Grand Haven
              Grand Haven,  Michigan
23
              Henry P. Walsh, Executive  Secretary
24             Great Lakes Anti-Pollution Society
              Chicago, Illinois
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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Handall D.  Walthius
               Public Relations Representative
 3             U. S. Steel
               Chicago, Illinois
 4
               Fred Wampler,  Regional Coordinator
 5             Ohio-Appalachian Area
               U  S. Department of the Interior
 6             Cincinnati, Ohio

 7             Colonel E.  B.  Warner, Chief
               Engineering Division, DCS LOO
 8             5B,  U. S.  Army, 5th U.S. Army Headquarters
               Fort Sheridan, Illinois
 9
               Mrs. Isabel B. Was son
10             Water Resources Committee
               Oak  Park League of  Women Voters
11             River Forest,  Illinois

12             Bryan Watkins, District Engineer
               Youngstown  Sheet &  Tube
13             East Chicago,  Indiana

14             Earle W. Watts, Waste Supervisor
               DuPont Company
15             Montague,  Michigan

16             Russell V.  Witts, Superintendent
               North East  Park District
17             Evans ton,  Illinois

18             Mildred B.  Weary, Clerk-typist
               Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration
10             Chicago, Illinois

20             P. J. Weaver
               Soap & Detergent Association
21             New  York, New  York

22             Haven A. Weckwerth,  Engineer
               University  of  Wisconsin
23             Janesville, Wisconsin

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             R. V. Weil, Asst. Manager
              Engineering, Sinclair Refining  Company
 3             Harvey, Illinois

 4             Edwin V. Weiss, Civil Engineer
              U. 3. Corps of Engineers, NCD
 5             Oak Park, Illinois

 6             Dennis Wesolowski,  City  Chemist
              East Chicago Sanitary District
 7             East Chicago, Indiana

 8             J. S. Whitaker, Coordinator
              Environmental Health
 9             Union Carbide Corporation
              New York, New York
10
              James J. White, Jr., District Engineer
11             U. S. Army  Corps  of Engineers,  Detroit
              Detroit, Michigan
12
              Walter E. White
13             Special Projects,, Commercial Products
              Atomic Energy of  Canada  Limited
14             Ottawa, Canada

15             Louis A. Whitesell, Deputy  Attorney General
              Sta^e of Indiana
16             Indianapolis, Indiana

17             Robert s. ""hitworth, Asst.  Chief Chemist
              Federal Hater Pollution  Control Administration
18             Chicago Program Office
              Chicagc, Illinois
19
              Edward T. Wiest,  Mayor
20             City  of Wyoming
              Wyoming, Michigan
21
              Benjamin F. Willey, Director
22             Water  Purification  Laboratory
              City  of Chicago
23             Chicago, Illinois

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 I         OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED)t

 2              Oliver  Williams,  Information Officer
               State of Wisconsin
 3              Madison, Wisconsin

 4              T.  C. Williams,  Consulting Engineer
               City of St.  Johns
 5              Grand Rapids,  Michigan

 6              H.  C. Wilson
               7721 Coles Avenue
 7              Chicago, Illinois

 8              Ruth Wilson
               League  of Women Voters
 9              Chicago, Illinois

10              Leo G.  Windish,  Past  President
               Illinois Division,  Izaak Walton
11              League  of America
               Galva,  Illinois
12
               T.  L. Williams, Regional Administrator
13              SEC,  Federal Executive Board
               Chicago, Illinois
14
               P.  Wlttlinger,  Senior Consultant
15              Corplan Associates
               Chicago, Illinois
16
               Mrs.  Arnold  R.  Wolff,  Vice President
17              League  of Women Voters of  Illinois
               Glencoe, Illinois
18
               L.  L. Wolfson,  Senior Research Associate
19              Industrial Bio-test Laboratories
               Northbrook,  Illinois
20
               Nancy Wood
21              Save  the Dunes
               Valparaiso,  Indiana
22
               Nancy F. Wood,  President
23              North Wood Counter  Lab
               Chicago, Illinois
24

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 1        OTHERS IN ATTENDANCE   (CONTINUED):

 2             Paul H. Woodruff, Vice  President
              Roy P. Weston, Inc.
 3             Wilmette, Illinois

 4             Mrs. H. W. Wyld, Alderman
              City of Urbana
 5             Champaign County League of  Women  Voters
              Urbana, Illinois
 6
              Mrs. Victor Yngve
 7             League of Women Voters
              Chicago, Illinois
 8
              John R. Yost, Vice  President
 9             Manufacturing
              Ott Chemical Company
10             Muskegon, Michigan

11             C. T. Young, Vice President
              Wisconsin Electric  Power
12             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

13             Lenard B. Young, Regional Engineer
              Federal Power Commission
14             Chicago, Illinois

15             A. E. Zanoni, Associate Professor
              Marquette University
16             Milwaukee, Wisconsin

17             Howard Zar
              University of Chicago
18             Chicago, Illinois

19             Steven Zarbin
              Chemist
20             Federal Water Pollution
              Control Administration
21             Chicago Program Office
              Chicago, Illinois
22

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 1        OTHERS  IN ATTENDANCE  (CONTINUED):

 2             Donald  P.  Ziemke
               City Manager
 3             City of Muskegon Heights
               Muskegon Heights, Michigan
 4

 5             Mrs.  Robert Zilly
               State Chairman
 6             Water Resources
               League  of  ¥omen Voters of Michigan
 7             Stevensville,  Michigan

 8
               Mrs.  Richard Zimmermann
 9             Water Chairman
               League  of  Women Voters
10             of Glen Ellyn
               Glen Ellyn,  Illinois
11

12             Everett P.  Zurn
               Water Pollution Control
13             Advisory Board
               Pairview,  Pennsylvania
14

15             Mrs.  Walter M. Zwiger
               League  of  Women Voters
16             Evanston,  Illinois

17

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                 OPENING  STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY

 2
 3                    PROCEEDINGS
 4
 g                 OPENING STATEMENT AND WELCOME
 6             THS HONORABLE RICHARD D. DALEY, MAYOR
 7                  CITY 0? CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

 8
 9                  MAYOR D/-LEY:   Ladies and gentlemen, Assistant
          Secretary Max N.  Edwards,  Governor Kerner,
          Senator Nelnon, distinguished guests, distin-
12         guished public officials,  ladies ?nd gentlemen
13                  On behalf of the people of Chicago,
          I  take  great pleasure and pride in welcoming
15         you  to  our  city.   You will find you could not
          have picked a more fortunate meeting place for
          your serious and great deliberations
                   As you leave this building, I hope
          that you will take time to wai:<: a few blocks
20         east and view our lake front, Lake Michigan
2i                   The lake serves Chicago in many ways
22         The  site for the city was selected originally
23         because the great waterways were a means of
24  !       transportation.  Raw materials could be hauled
25  !       by barge to Chicago.  With the development of

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 1               OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY




 2        the  St.  Lawrence  Seaway Project, Chicago has



 3        become  the  greatest seaport on the Great Lakes.




 4        The  lake has  made possible the establishment




 5        and  the prospering of a great industrial complex



 g        It also is  the picture-card seascape for the




 7        large hotels  and  apartment buildings which line




 g        our  shores.



 9                  In  the  summertime, the lake is the




10        playground  for sail boats and pleasure craft



H        of all  descriptions.  But more importantly,




12        millions of people are depending upon Lake



13        Michigan for  their drinking water.  Our citizens




14        sun themselves along its shores and bathe at




15        its  beaches.



16                  Lake Michigan has always been one




17        of the  most treasured assets and we deeply



18        cherished it.  We have generally prevented



19        industry from building along the shore and



20        thereby preserved its value as a source of



21        recreation for the people of Chicago.  Vir-



22        tually all of Chicago's 29 miles of shoreline



23        are devoted to public use, including some 30




24        beaches and 8 marinas.



25                  I am happy to be here in one room

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                 OPENING  STATEMENT -  MAYOR DALEY

 2         with  distinguished officials  from the four

 3         States  sharing  concern for  this  vital natural

          resource.

 e                   That  concern is an  immediate one.
 o

 -         The danger is an immediate  one.   The danger  to

 7         Lake  Michigan is not a remote threat.  We are

 g         told  that  the lake will be  useless unless we

          do something and do it soon.   I  know we all

10         feel  the sense  of urgency.

                    There is no need  to review the danger

12         signs   We've all seen, the signs of beaches

13         in many areas  saying, "No swimming—polluted."

14         We all remember the recent nuisance of dead

15         alewives,  the unseemly sight of weeds and algae

16         along the shore, and the massive oil slicks

17         of only last summer.

18                   We know the problem of water pollution

          is increasing.   We know this in ways which can

20         be measured.  During the past 20 years the City

          of Chicago has  had to increase  the amount of

22         chlorine used to achieve water  sefety from 15

23         to 25 pounds per million gallons.  This  is an

24         increase of 67 percent.  We have had  to  increase

25         the activated carbon dosage, to remove objectionable

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                            . fVYnVFT  -  Viivrv;?  r\£ T VV
 2        odors and tastes, from 24  to  kl  pounds  per
 3        million gallons and other  chemicals  used  to
 4        remove suspended matter from  103 "to  119 pounds
 5        per million gallons.  These are  increases of
 §        71 and 15 percent respectively.   In  all,  the
 7        cost of chemical treatmert has increased  by
 g        92 percent during the past 20 years.
 9                  Professional experts from  «he Chicago
10        Department of Water and Sewers wil'...  provide
11        additional testimony later co support in  detail
12        the urgent need for water pollution  control.
13                  We know that it will be expensive to
14        end pollution of ~ohe lake.  \Ie are not mini-
15        mizing the expense; but we also  know that it
16        will never be cheaper to end pollution than
17        right now.  The cost will be several times the
18        present amount if the lake is further degraded.
19        Thus, delay in facing this problem now will be
20        even more costly in the future.  Eventually the
21        price will have to be paid because ohe people
22        of our several States will not permit Lake
23        Michigan to become overgrown wich weeds and
24        algae and die a premature death.
25                  This meeting therefore represents

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 1                OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY




 2         both a challenge and an opportunity to plan




 3         constructively -co keep this great "body of




 4         water alive.  Its future is In your hands.




 5                   There are those who feel that the




 6         cities have bypassed the State Governments




 7         in going to the Federal Government in Washing-




 8         ton directly .with their problems.  There are




 9         sone mayors who feel that only the Federal




10         Government is in a position to help them.




11         There is a feeling, too, thac the State Govern-




12         mento are not overly concerned or aware of the




13         problems of the urban centers.  This four-state




14         conference is an answer to their fears.




15                   The State Governments of Illinois,




16         Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin are to be con-




17         graculated for acting as rapidly as they have




18         in the present crisis.  All four States have




19         submitted water quality criteria and the Federal




20         Government has recently approved the submissions




21         of all four States.




22  !                 We believe the State Governments must




2^  i       assume responsibility in taking the lead in




24         efforts to revitalize Lake Michigan.  It is




25         up to the States to provide leadership for

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                 OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY
          municipalities and other local Jurisdictions
 3        to meet this problem in a bold and constructive
 4        manner.  Drastic action is required because
 5        the situation is extreme and urgent.  In Illinois
          we are proud of Governor Kerner's leadership in
          proposing programs to meet the challenge.  A
          billion dollar water and air management bond
 9        issue, which we are confident will be approved
10        by the voters, is an example.  Governor Kerner's
n        request to Secretary Udall for this meeting is
12        another example of his concern
13                  The four States must join forces con-
14        structively and work in conjunction with the
          Federal Government to establish and implement
16        uniform standards or surely the Federal Govern-
17        ment will be forced to impose its own regulations
18        and implementation schedule.  We need Federal
19        guidelines, but surely we have the talent and
20        the resources within our boundaries to meet
21        this problem.
22                  But meet it we must.  Lake Michigan
23        is too precious a resource to be lost because
24        of indecision of diffused  solutions.
25                  We have the opportunity to make a

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 1                OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY
 2         successful start today at saving a great natural
 3         blessing we all share.
 4                   In Chicago we already have taken
 5         measures to end pollution by both commercial
 5         vessels and pleasure craft.  However, neither
 7         Chicago nor any other city or State can do the
 g         job alone.  Pollution cannot be stopped in one
 9         area alone.  It must be stopped everywhere in
10         the lake.  The waters which touch all our
H         shores respect no imaginary boundary line.
12                   We need help of industry also.  The
13         people of our States are keenly interested in
14         these problems and insist on nothing less--and
15         they are entitled to it--than a clean and safe
16         lake.
17                   Lake Michigan's waters can be made
18         usable for multiple activities and has set the
19         example for others.  Over the years Chicago
20         has spent millions of dollars to reverse the
21         flow of the Chicago River and prevent it from
22         discharging its filth into the lake.  Hundreds
23         of millions of dollars were expended in the
24         construction of the world's largest waste treat-
25         ment plants .

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 l               OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY
 2                  In your States you may not be able to



 s        reverse the flow of a river, but there are con-



 4        structive acts you can take.  You can adopt



 5        uniform quality standards and time schedules



 6        for implementation and enforcement covering all



 7        of Lake Michigan.  You can adopt a uniform set



 8        of regulations and time schedules for controlling



 9        wastes from watercraft.   You can support re-



10        search directed toward restoration and maintenance



n        of pure water in the lake.  And finally, you can



i2        support special efforts to provide additional



13        financial help for the Bureau of Fisheries to



14        conduct research into corrective measures for



15        the alewife problem.



16                  ¥e would like to thank the press, the



17        radio, the television and private organizations



18        for their interest in this vital problem.



19                  Speaking as the Mayor of the city,



20        we pledge our whole-hearted support to your



2i        endeavors.  This means our financial, professional



22        and physical resources are ready andawaiting your



23        directions in a collective effort to wage a total



24        war to save our lake.



25                  I am sure you will be hearing many

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 1                OPENING STATEMENT - MAYOR DALEY
 2         worthy suggestions at this conference for con-
 3         structive action.  I can assure you that your
 4         deliberations will be of vital interest to the
 5         people of Chicago and, indeed, to all our four
 5         States.  The people of our entire area are
 7         awaiting your decisions which will bring them
          a cleaner, purer Lake Michigan this summer and
 9         the next and in the future.
10                   Again I welcome you to our city.  I
11         am confident with the men and the women and
12         with the ability and talent that is in this room
13         we will come out with a very constructive and
14         positive program.
15                   At this time I would like to introduce
16         the very able, distinguished and capable Governor
17         of Illinois, Governor Otto Kerner.
18                   (Applause.)
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 j                        GOVERNOR KERNER

 2

 3                      ADDRESS OP WELCOME

 4               THE HONORABLE OTTO KERNER, GOVERNOR

 5                       STATE OP  ILLINOIS

 6

                     GOVERNOR KERNER:   Thank you very much,

 g        Mayor  Daley.

 9                   Senator  Nelson of Wisconsin, Secretary

10        Edwards,  the  many  distinguished members who are

n        here.

12                   At  this  time, of  course, I only wish

13        to issue  a few  words of welcome.  I will not

14        dwell  at  this time on the technical statement

15        that I wish to  make later.

16                   But I  think it  time that we become

17        acquainted with  the problems that face us.

18        My interest in  this area  goes back long before

!9        I was Governor,  when I  was  County Judge of this

20        County and had  considerable responsibility in

21        appointment of and overseeing the Sanitary

22        Districts  of Cook  County  other than the Metro-

23        politan Sanitary District.   I was well aware of

24        the growth of these problems,  and Illinois has

25        moved ahead internally  in the streams and the

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 1                        GOVERNOR KERNER

 2         lakes and the rivers of Illinois and they have
 3         been improved over a period of time.  Fishlife

 4         exists today where it did not exist a number
 5         or years ago.

 6                   I think, too, that in our experience

 1         with the growth of government and its respon-

 8         sibility certain of these problems cannot be
 9         solved by States or local communities alone.

10         With air and water pollution we have recognized
H         this and there has been a cooperative move on

12         the parts of Governments, Federal, State and
13         local, and this is the only way that these
14         problems can be solved.

15                   I am aware of our neighbors on all
16         sides and have tried to work in very cooperative
17         and neighborly fashion.  We have to agree that
18         with currents of lakes, with currents of air
19         and the mobility of our people a State or a
20         local community alone cannot solve the problem.

21         This was the purpose of my requesting of Secretary

22         Udall the calling of a four-state meeting of those
23         States that bound Lake Michigan.
24                   We of the Middle West, we of the Great
25         Lakes Basin particularly, have been most blessed

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 1                        GOVERNOR KERNER
 2         by  quantity  and quality of  fresh water.   The
 3         Great  Lakes,  I  am told, hold 30 percent  of the
 4         world's  fresh water  supply,  one of the most
 5         valuable assets that we have in our vicinity.
 6         In  my  visits  with governors  of the States to
 7         the west,  the arid States,  they know the value
 8         of  water and  they have  protected it over a
 9         period of  years.   We have wasted it and  we
10         have polluted it and we must admit this  fact
11         or  else  we shall not be able to solve the problem.
12             I am  delighted  to  welcome you here
13         to  the State  of Illinois to  solve this problem
14         that is  multi-state  in  nature and affecting
15         millions of  people and  not  only the present
16         but the  future  of this  entire lake region area.
17             At  this  time I  would like to Introduce to
18         you your host and your  chairman of this  meeting.
19         Unfortunately,  Secretary Udall is ill.  We all
20         know what  a hardy man he is; I have tried to keep
21         up  with  him walking,  and I walk at a fairly good
22         pace.   But unfortunately, he is laid up  with the
23         flu, I understand, and  cannot be here.  Secretary
24         Edwards  is here to take over and will chair this
25         meeting.  Secretary.   (Applause.)

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 j                ASSISTANT  SECRETARY EDWARDS
 2
 3                 STATEMENT  OP THE HONORABLE
 4              MAX N. EDWARDS, ASSISTANT SECRETARY
 6               U* S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
 6                      WASHINGTON, D, C.

 7
 g                   ASSISTANT SECRETARY EDWARDS:   Thank
 g         you,  Governor Kerner.
10                   Mayor Daley,  Senator Nelson,  distin-
^         guished guests, members  of the press,  and all
12         friends who are engaged  in that worthy battle
13         ror clean water.
14                   I woul'd like  to compliment each and
15         every one of you  not only for your attendance
16         but particularly  for your enthusiasm.I can see
17         that you mean business,  and I hope that after
13         this  conference has concluded you will agree
l$         that we mean business.
20                   Last night was  a rare historic evening
2i         in the Nation's Capitol.   I was fortunate in
22         having the opportunity  to accompany Secretary
23         Udall to Ford's Theater,  where more than 103
24         years ago John Wiltes Booth struck down the Great
25         Emancipator.  Last night  a terrible thing

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 1                ASSISTANT  SECRETARY EDWARDS
 2        happened  at  Ford's  Theater.   No one was shot,
 3        "but Secretary  Udall was  stricken with the flu,
 4        and when  I went by  to  pick him up this morning
 5        at 7:30 he was in agony  and Just unable to make
 6        the trip  here — one  which he has planned attending
 7        for some  time  and one  in which he has great
 g        dedication and interest.  I realize that this
 9        .is a disappointment to all of you.  I will do
10        my very best to represent him by reading the
11        statement which he  had prepared.

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 1                 STATEMENT OF SECRETARY UDALL
 2
 3              STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE STEWART
 4              L. UDALL, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR
 5                         PRESENTED BY
 6              ASSISTANT SECRETARY MAX N. EDWARDS
 7
 8                   ASSISTANT SECRETARY EDWARDS: "We are
 9         here to put positive action into our concern to
10         save one of the Nation's great natural resources--
11         Lake Michigan.
12                   "Lake Michigan is sick, but I believe
13         we are all determined it shall not die.  That is
14         why we convene this Federal enforcement conference
15         on the water pollution problems of Lake Michigan
16         and its tributaries.
17                   "We are here today because of the fore-
18         sight, determination and leadership of many people^
19         especially Governor Otto Kerner of Illinois and
20         Senator Gaylord Nelson — leading spokesmen  for
21         strong governmental policy for water quality.
22         Both of them asked me to call  this enforcement
23         conference.
24                   "Also, I thank our host, Mayor Richard
25         Daley, who seeks at every opportunity a better

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 2        environment for the people of Chicago and whose




 3        strong leadership has commanded constructive




 4        and positive action for cleaner waters.  We



 5        will get Lake Michigan cleaned up faster  if




 ,        we translate his decisive call into equally
 o



 7        decisive action.



 8                  "I congratulate the Chicago press and




 9        other news media of the area for their campaign




10        against water pollution.  This forceful, pene-



jj        trating news coverage has been instrumental in



w        arousing public awareness and personalizing the




13        shame of pollution.  It is in the finest tradi-




14        tion of the public interest news service.



15                  "The parties to the conference--the



16        States of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and



17        Wisconsin, and the Federal Government—have a



lg        stake in the outcome of this enforcement con-



19        ference and the future of Lake Michigan.



2o                  "Lake Michigan has been rich in aquatic



21        treasures for the five and one-half million



22        citizens in its Basin.  Other millions in the



23        surrounding area, and, indeed, in the Nation,




24        have reaped its benefits.



25                  "Today, its waters satisfy the demands

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                  STATEMENT OF SECRETARY UDALL
 2         of millions of people in fifty cities for one
 3         and one-half "billion gallons daily.  Industry
          pumps out another four and one-quarter billion
          gallons daily to produce the fabric of a pros-
          perous society.
                    "Lake Michigan is a swimming place,
          waterskiing and boating grounds for millions.
 9         Five-hundred and thirty-six of the 625 recreation
10         areas of the Basin are water-oriented, and  there
11         are 7^ recreational harbors.
12                   "The deep-draft navigation chain  of
13         the Great Lakes  enables ships to transport
14         annually nearly one hundred million tons of
15         goods--coal, Iron ore, stone, grain, petroleum
          products--over Lake Michigan to markets and
          manufacturers.
13                   "The Lake and its tributaries are
19         nursery and habitat for commercial and sport
20         fisheries.
2i                   "But there are other facts that are
22         not to be recited with such pleasure.
23                   !IA stench rises from its shore at
24         Chicago, and algae slime the shore of Calumet
25         Park beach.

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 1                STATEMENT  OF  SECRETARY  UDALL
 2                  "'Polluted water—no swimming1  signs
 3        are posted at favorite beaches  in  Hammond,  Green
 4        Bay and Milwaukee.
 5                   "Oil  scums  foul  Sturgeon Bay,  and
 6 I       debris clogs the Indiana Harbor Ship Canal.
 7                   "Fish slosh belly  up  onto the  beaches
 8        of Indiana Dunes.
 9                   "The  commercial  fishing  industry  totaled
10        $9-3 million in 1963, a drop from  the $15-6 mi
11        catches in the  1950 period.
12                   :lThe  City of Green Bay spent millions
13        for a 50-mile pipeline to  reach a  fresh  municipal
14        water supply in the lake.
15                   "These are  symptoms of a sick  lake.
16        And they  recur  too often for comfort.  The
17        symptoms  should be familiar.  We saw them 15
18        years ago in Lake  Erie, victimized by pollution
19        in just this way.  An enforcement  conference
20        was called in 1965 to cope with Lake Erie's
21        critical pollution conditions.   For years,  that
22        lake  was  the dumping  grounds for unchecked
23        municipal and industrial wastes.
2*                  :lLakes age  naturally  and in  thousands
25        of years they die.  But Twentieth  Century man--

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   	102

 1  j               STATEMENT OP SECRETARY UDALL


 2         his numbers, his activities and his machines--


 3         when unchecked, accelerate this action called
   !

 4         eutrophication.  A lake once served hundreds of


 5         generations of men.  Now one generation of men

   i

 6         can destroy a lake--permanently.


 7                   "Man's activities add more nutrients,



 g         overfertilizing the aquatic plants in a lake.


 9         These plants increase and, when they die, organic


10         deposits pile up on the lake bottom.  The lake


11         becomes shallower, smaller, wurmer, and organic


12         decay depletes the supply of oxygen.  The lake


13         becomes a marsh and eventually disappears.


14                   "The serious accelerated eutrophication



15         of Lake Erie shows algal growths occurring with


16         increased frequency.  Obnoxious slimes and odors


17         are prevalent, and areas of the lake bottom are


18         devoid of oxygen.  The value of the lake is


19         seriously impaired.


20                   "As a result of the Lake Erie Enforce-


21         ment Conference, we now have a remedial program


22         of pollution abatement worked out to slow down


23         this aging.  But, purity of the kind known at


24         the turn of the century can never be restored


25         to Lake Erie.  Man acted too late.

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 1                STATEMENT  OF SECRETARY  UDALL

 2                   "Not  so  with Lake  Michigan.   We  are

 3        luckier here.   We  now have more knowledge  and

 4        foresight.  We  recognize  the symptoms  in an

 5        earlier stage and  are in  a position  to arrest

 6        the disease.  We still have  time to  restore

 7        quality to  the  lake.

 g                   "Lake Michigan's pollution problem

 9        today would compel action, even if conditions

10        were static.  But,  conditions are not  static

11        and this  compounds  the problem.  Without swift

12        and effective action, we  will soon face another

13        Lake Erie  situation.

14                   "Demands  on the resources  of Lake

15        Michigan  multiply  and intensify. In 50 or 60

16        years, it  is predicted that:

17             "--the population of the Basin  will

18             double;

19             "--industry will expand six times;

20             "--industrial demands for  la.ke  water

21             will  increase  three  times;

22             "--municipal  demands for lake water

23             will  increase three  times;

24             "--water recreation  demands will  in-

25             crease three  times.

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 2



 3  ;                  "Delay means  death to Lake Michigan.



 4          And death of Lake Michigan would be a national



 5          tragedy.   So I  call upon every participant at



 6  |        this Conference to make it an action Conference-



 7  !        action to analyze the problems of the lake,  set



 g          goals,  and implement effective pollution control



 9          solutions."



10                    "Two  previous enforcement actions



11          have been held  in the Lake Michigan Basin:



12          the Menominee River Conference, involving



13          Michigan  and Wisconsin, convened in Novem-



14          ber of 1963]  and the Calumet Area Conference,



15          involving Illinois and  Indiana, convened in



16          March of  1965.   The Menominee River Conferees



17          recommended action to cope with problems



18          of  paper  mill wastes and municipal sewage.



19          The Calumet Conference  directed a cleanup



20          of  municipal and industrial wastes in Illinois



21          and Indiana.  Today we  can see some beneficial



22          results  of those Conferences.



23                    "The  Federal  Government, the States



24          and municipalities of the Lake Michigan Basin



25          have taken other pollution abatement steps

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 !                STATEMENT OF  SECRETARY UDALL

 2        previously.   Illinois and Indiana are proposing

 3        large  bond  issues to  finance the construction

 4        of  vitally  important  waste treatment works.

 5        Pollution has been a  matter of concern to these

 6        agencies for several  years.

 7                  "it has now become evident, however,

 8        that these  partial actions are not sufficient

 9        to  cure the problems  of Lake Michigan.  The

10        disease is  not limited to one limb or tributary—

H        but affects the whole body and system of the

12        lake.   We must have a lake-wide prescription

13        for a disease that affects the entire lake.

14                  "Pollution  crosses political boundaries;

15        so  must solutions.

16                  "Oil that spills in the lake at Gary

17        oozes  onto  the beaches at Milwaukee.

18                  "Wastes that flow into intrastate

19        rivers become interstate problems as the river

20        feeds  into  the lake.

21                  "Solutions  must be lake-wide for such

22        problems common to the Basin as algae growths

23        and eutrophication, present and potential thermal

24        pollution from electric power plants, disposal

25        of  dredged  spoil, and oil discharges.

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 1                STATEMENT  OP  SECRETARY UDALL
 2
 3                   "We must cope with  the  pollutants--
 4        both present and potential:
 5             "--bacteria;
 6             "--chemicals;
 7             "--sediment and  silt;
 g             "—oil and sludge;
 9             "--plant nutrients, phosphates
10             and nitrates;
11             "--pesticides;
12             "--radioactive substances; and
13              --heat.
14                   "Which come from sources--both specific
15        and general:
16             "--municipal  sewage;
17             "--combined sewers;
18             "--urban drainage;
19             "--industrial wastes of all kinds;
20             "--Federal installations;
21             "--agricultural runoffs;
22             "—power plants, both fossil-fueled
23             and nuclear,  built and planned;
24             "--commercial and pleasure boats; and
25             "--dredging and disposal operations."

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 1                STATEMENT OP SECRETARY UDALL
 2
 3                   "I have called  this Conference  today
 4        under authority granted me by provisions  of
 5        Section 10 of the Federal Water  Pollution
 6        Control Act,  I am authorized to call  a Con-
 7        ference of this type when requested to do so
 g        by ths Governor of a State--in this case,
 9        Governor Kerner--and when on the basis of
10        reports, surveys, or studies I have reason
11        to believe that pollution of interstate waters
12        subject to abatement under the Federal ACT; is
13        occurring.
14                   "Pollution subject to  abatement under
15        the Federal Act is pollution of  navigable and
16        interstate waters which endangers  the  health
17        and welfare of any person.  I have reports
18        that such pollution is occurring.
19                   "The Conference brings together State
20        water pollution control agencies,  the  repre-
21        sentatives of the Federal Government and  other
22        interested parties.
23                   "The Conferees will be called upon
24        to make statements.   In addition, they may call
25        upon participants whom they have invited  to

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 1                 STATEMENT OP SECRETARY UDALL
 2         the conference to make statements.  At  the
 3         conclusion of such statements, the  conferees
 4         will be given an opportunity  to  comment or
 5         ask questions.
 6                   "At the end of all  statements, we
 7         will have a discussion and  try to arrive at
 8         agreement on the facts of the situation.  Then
 9         we will summarize the conference.
10                   "Under Federal  law, I  am  required
H         at the conclusion of the conference to  prepare
12         a summary of it which will  be sent  to all the
13         conferees.  This summary must include,  and I
14         hope you will address yourselves to these issues:
15              Ml.  Occurrence of pollution in inter-
16              state and navigable waters  subject to
17              abatement under the Federal Act;
18              W2.  Adequacy of measures taken toward
19              abatement of pollution;  and
20              "3.  Nature of delays, if any, being
21              encountered in abating the  pollution.
22                   "The States and the Federal Government
23         are full partners in this conference, Just as we
24         must be full partners in the  results of the con-
25         ference.

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 !                 STATEMENT OP SECRETARY UDALL
 2                   "I ask that the results of this
 3         conference be action—specific, strong and
 4         coordinated action by the States as individuals,
 5         the  States as a group,  and by the Federal
 6         Government.
 7                   "For my part,  as a representative
 g         of the  Federal Government, I will make
 9         recommendations for pollution abatement
10         actions following the conference--directing
H         positive,  specific pollution abatement measures
12         for  industry and municipalities, including
13         dates for  completion of  these measures.
14                   "The recommendations, following
15         public  hearings,  will be enforceable in the
16         courts,  and I assure you that I shall be
17         prompt  to  do my part to  see the recommendations
18         carried out.
19                   "in addition,  the Department of the
20         Interior has  recommended legislation, and there
21         was  action in the Congress last year on important
22         new  authority for the Federal Government to
23         control  some  of the problems  of Lake Michigan.
24         These include oil pollution and vessel pollution
25         controls and  funds  to step up research on lake

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 1                 STATEMENT  OF SECRETARY UDALL
 2         pollution as a whole.  We  shall  continue  to
 3         work for enactment of  these measures and  for
 4         funding of established programs.
 5                   "Action  from the States at this
 6         conference must  include setting  uniform
 7         criteria for lake  quality  and agreeing on
 8         control measures to reach  those  quality levels.
 9         One of the most  important  areas  of  criteria
10         &nd controls for the States to tackle is  tempera-
H         ture requirements.  Thermal pollution from
12         plants planned but not yet constructed on
13         the lake can be  serious.  Here is an oppor-
14         tunity for a dose  of effective and  crucial
15         preventive environmental medicine.   We didn't
16         have this opportunity  with other pollutants;
17         we must not miss our chance on this  one.  We
18         must halt thermal  pollution with affirmative,
19         coordinated action before  it occurs.
20                   "Action  from individual States  after
21         the conference must Include passage  and enforce-
22         ment of State laws to  implement  conference
23         decisions.  State  financing of abatement  actions
24         and incentives for industrial abatement must
25         match the magnitude of the pollution problem.

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                  STATEMENT OF SECRETARY UDALL



                    "I  am sure such actions will result



          from the conference.  They must result.
 3


                    "Then we will know this conference



          has  been a success.  More Importantly, we
 5


          will have started the rescue of a mighty re-
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          source--Lake  Michigan--from an ugly, useless



          death."
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                    ASSISTANT SECRETARY EDWARDS:  At
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          this time I should like to introduce a member



          of  the conservation team, a man who has been



,_        very active in using every   energy that he
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          has  in controlling and abating both air and
13


14        water pollution, a man who is a friend of the



 _        national parks, a man who has distinguished



,.        himself  as a leader in the legislative field
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          for  conservation and certainly a dear friend



lg        of  Secretary Udall's, the Honorable Gaylord



          Nelson,  Senator from Wisconsin.



20                  (Applause.)



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 1                         SENATOR NELSON
 2
 3             STATEMENT BY THE HONORABLE GAYLORD NELSON
 4                    THE UNITED STATES SENATE
 5                      STATE OP WISCONSIN
 6
 7                    SENATOR  NELSON:   Mr. Secretary, Governor
 8         Kerner,  Mayor Daley,  representatives of the
 9         participating States  and interested citizens.
10                    All of us  are here today because we
H         share  a  common concern for  Lake Michigan,
12         which  Is one of our  Nation's most precious
13         natural  resources  and which is now greatly
14         threatened by pollution.  I  should like at
15         the  outset to commend Secretary Udall for
16         convening this conference  and Governor Kerner
17         for  requesting it.   The Secretary's call
18         comes  at a critical  time in  the life of this
19         great  lake.   It is now or  never.  Either we
20         respond  with a great  cooperative effort or
21         these  waters will  become a huge industrial-
22         municipal cesspool.
23                    I  want at  this time to commend the
24         media  who have shown  an interest In this
25         problem,  particularly the  Chicago Tribune,

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 1                       SENATOR NELSON
 2        the Milwaukee Journal, the Green Bay Press
 3        Gazette, each of which ran a very significant
 4        series of articles concerning the problem
 5        of pollution and particularly pollution in
 6        the lakes.
 7                  I would like to say to the conferees
 8        something about the public concern about this
 9        problem.  In the past three years or so I
10        have spoken in every single State bordering
11        all of the Great Lakes on the question of the
12        pollution of these waters.  I have spoken
13        more than once in every State bordering on
14        Lake Michigan on the question of the pollution
15        of Lake Michigan.  I have found unanimous
16        support, without a single dissent thus far
17        in all the speeches I have given and all the
18        people I have talked to, not a single dissent
19        from the proposition that it is our responsi-
20        bility to start and start now with effective
21        abatement proceedings to cease the pollution
22        of this lake.  I think there is a growing
23        recognition all over this country that the
24        environmental crisis that we are creating in
25        respect to the degradation of the environment,

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 l                        SENATOR NELSON



 2         the air and the water and the soil, is the



 3         most serious problem in the long run that



 4         confronts the country.



 5                   Lake Superior is the third greatest



 6         body of fresh water on the face of the globe.



 7         After Lake Baikal in Russia, which has 5,300



 8         cubic miles of water, and after Lake Tanganyika



 9         in Africa, then comes Lake Superior with 2,700



10         cubic miles of water and Lake Michigan with



n         1,100 cubic miles of water, all of it being



12         rapidly destroyed and the beginnings of the



13         destruction now, the very slow beginnings of



14         the destruction of Lake Superior, that should



15         be the next lake on which a conference is



16         called and I hope it will be.  In any event,



17         unless we reverse this trend,within 25 years



18         there will not be left in America a single



19         unpolluted lake, not one, and unless we re-



20         verse the trend we will end up destroying all



21         fresh water-based recreation in the Nation.



22                   The  recently released report on the



23         pollution of Lake Michigan  spells  out a de-



24         basement of water quality  in the  lake which



25         is  certainly unacceptable  to any   thoughtful

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 l I                       SENATOR NELSON
          citizen.  We are not here, surely, to  assess
 £
          blame and wrangle about responsibility.   The
 3
          fact is the whole Nation  is responsible for
 _         the degenerated condition of our  fresh water
 9
          assets.  Every major river basin  and watershed
          from coast to coast, without exception, is
          polluted, some tragically and seriously pol-
 O
          luted and some with Just  the beginnings of
 »r
          pollution.  But there is  not a single major
          watershed or unpolluted river basin  in America
 2         today.  We all condoned itj we all participated
,_         in itj we all share the responsibility.
13
14         Historically,all civilizations used  their water
15         courses as the conduit for waste  disposal.
16         Because of the remarkable capacity of water
17         to cleanse itself, this worked very  well until
18         recent years.  In the past half century we
19         have increasingly loaded  the lakes and streams
20         beyond their natural capacity, and we have
2i         introduced new industrial wastes  that are
22         not biologically degradable.
23                   I am sure that  if we could turn
24         the clock back 50 years and had the  benefit
25         of hindsight, or Teddy Roosevelt's foresight,

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 2         all of us, municipalities, industries, and

 3         the general public, would agree to pay the

 4         cost to prevent the damage from occurring in

 5         the first place.

 6                   The problem now is to look to the

 7         future and rectify a problem that it is within

 8         our power to cure.  That involves first a

 9         frank recognition of the existing situation.

10         The report on Lake Michigan points out very

11         vividly that one of America's greatest lakes

12         is being pumped full of municipal sewage and

13         industrial wastes.

14                   The basic purpose of this conference

15         is to direct efforts and resources of the four

16         border States and the Federal Government toward

17         setting up a meaningful pollution abatement

18         plan for Lake Michigan.

19                   To halt the pollution of Lake Michigan,

20         we must identify each and every type of pol-

21         lutant that is going into the lake and stop

22         it at its source.

23                   To accomplish this, the conference

24         should, I believe, adopt  the following goals:

25              1.  Establish a coordinated  timetable

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 2             and uniform standards for abating

 3             Industrial and municipal pollution.

 4             2.  Make the entire shore of Lake

 6             Michigan fit for swimming once again.

 6             3.  Develop plans to restore the

 7             water quality in special situations

 g             such as, for example, Green Bay.

 9             4.  Stop pollution from vessels and

10             ships of every form and from the

jj             shore and terminal facilities.

12                  (A)  Adopt standards governing

13                  effluent from wateroraft.

14                  (B)  Recommend establishment

15                  of adequate shore facilities

16                  for handling and disposing of

17                  wastes and trash from ships.

18             5.  Halt the dumping of polluted

19             dredged materials into the lake

20             wherever that is feasible.

2\             6.  Set up long-range research and

22             action programs to stop the ferti-

23             lization of the lake by detergents,

24             agricultural fertilizers, and other

25             chemicals.  The conference should

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 1                       SENATOR NELSON

 2              give  early  special  attention  to  DDT

 3              and other pesticides,  but  particularly

 4              DDT,  which  is  already  appearing  in the

 5              lake  in  disturbing  quantities.

 6                   The State water quality  standards will

 1         serve as guidelines for  our program to clean up

 g         the  most obvious sources of pollution, industrial

 9         and  municipal pollution. The first task of this

10         conference will  be  to establish a  coordinated

11         timetable  among  the four States and uniform

12         standards  for abating municipal and industrial

13         pollution  of  Lake Michigan.

14                   The conference, I think,  must address

15         itself to  the many  other types  of  pollution

16         which are  plaguing  Lake  Michigan in addition

17         to just industrial  pollution that  we  mentioned

18         before. Some of these  sources  or  pollution

19         are  difficult to pinpoint,  but  the vast majority

20         of them can  and  must be  controlled if we are

21         going to reverse the tide of pollution now

22         infiltrating the lake.

23                   It is  critical that the  conference

24         cover not  only  Lake Michigan but also many of

25         the  grossly  polluted  tributary  rivers that feed

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 2         Into it.   In  order, for  example,  to  clean

 3         up Green  Bay  and make It fit for  swimming—

 4         public beaches  there have  been  closed  since

 5         1939~~we  must clean up the Fox  River.

 6                    We  must  stop all dumping of  sewage

 7         and refuse into the lake from ships  and  from

 8         the shore and terminal facilities  which  service

 9         these ships.

10                    Right now our  efforts to control
11         vessel pollution at  all levels, local,  State  and

12         Federal,  are  hampered by outdated, inconsistent

13         laws and  hopelessly entangled enforcement

14         procedures.   The State of  Wisconsin, for

15         example,  has  no Jurisdiction over  waste
16         disposal  from vessels on the Great Lakes

17         and certain other  streams  under Federal
18         Jurisdiction.   Referring to this vessel
19         pollution problem  in its water  quality
20         standards  program, the Wisconsin Department
21         of Natural Resources said  that, "consistent
22         legislation affecting all  the States seems

23         clearly indicated."

24                    I urge the conference to establish
25         uniform,  consistent regulations regarding

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 2          dumping  from  ships  and  to  make  recommendations

 3          for  enforcing these regulations.   Further,

           the  conference should establish standards

           governing  effluent  from vessels and  ships.

                     The conference should evaluate  the

           problem  created by  the  dumping  of  polluted

           dredging spoils into the lake.   Any  sound
           recommendations that come  from  the present

           pilot  studies concerning alternative methods

           for  disposing of dredging  spoils should be

12          enforced,  I think,  by the  conference.

13                    Eutrophication,  as you have  heard,

14          is a major problem  on Lake Michigan.   Lake

15          Michigan today,  however, is aging, not at a

           normal rate,  but at a rate which has been
17          greatly  accelerated by  man's activities.
13                    Phosphates, which fertilize  luxuriant
19          algal  growth,  are a major  contributor  to  the

20          problem.   Phosphates are entering  our  waters

21          at a rate  roughly equal to three and one-half

22          pounds per person per year. As much as 50  to
23          60 percent of this  amount  is coming  from  deter-

24          gents.   The conference  should,  in  my Judgment,

25          support  legislation to  remove from the market

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                         SENATOR NELSON
 2        detergents heavy in phosphates  or  any  other
 3        substances which have a harmful—serious
          harmful—effect on water quality.
                    There are, I feel, some  additional
          problems to which the conference ought to
          address itself.
                    Pollution by non-degradable  pesticides
          threatens the fish and wildlife  in Lake Michigan.
10        We will be frustrated in all our efforts, however,
11        if we don't move promptly to halt  the  use, as  I
12        mentioned previously, of dangerous  pesticides
13        like DDT.
14                  DDT is a lethal poison which resists
15        breakdown for many years after  application.  It
lg        is easily transported by water  and wind, and
17        most importantly, it accumulates in the food
18        chain.  Scientists are gathering evidence which
19        will show that DDT is causing wildlife fatalities
20        and disrupting the reproductive  systems of
21        certain of our most prized birds,  and  we have
22        not yet begun to evaluate the effects  that
23        these pesticides may ultimately have on man.
24        Today some 10 million people depend on Lake
25        Michigan for their water supply.

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 1                        SENATOR  NELSON
 2                   In  response  to  the rapid industrial
 3         and municipal growth in the Midwest,  giant
 4         nuclear  power plants are  being built  to supply
 5         essential electricity.   We must evaluate care-
 6         fully the development  of  these plants from the
 7         standpoint of both nuclear and thermal pollution.
 8         Water used for cooling these plants is taken
 9         from the lake and returned to it some 10 to 20
10         degrees  warmer.  The effects of nuclear power
11         plants must be evaluated carefully and proper
12         controls established and enforced.
13                   Much of the  success of efforts to
14        halt   the pollution of Lake Michigan depend
15         on financing,  as we all know.  There are
16         instances where we know how to cure our
17         pollution problems but we lack the money
18         to construct the necessary facilities.
19                   Financial resources at all government
20         levels today are seriously strained.   I feel,
21         however, that we must recognize the task of
22         saving Lake Michigan for what it is, a top
23         priority Job which will require all available
24          energy  and resources.
25                   All four of the States involved have

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 2         their own anti-pollution programs and  they
 3         are administering them conscientiously.
 4                   Many municipalities have worked hard
 5         to set up sound pollution abatement programs
 g         and have even gone so far as to pass bond issues
 7         to raise revenue needed to finance construction.
 g                   The Federal Government, the  Congress
 9         and the Executive Branch made a commitment  to
10         the people to do its share in 1966 when the
11         Clean Waters Restoration Act was passed by  the
12         Congress.  We have not kept that commitment.
13                   I am disappointed with the Admini-
14         stration   request to the Congress for only
15         225 million dollars for fiscal 1969 for the
16         Federal share of the costs of construction of
17         sewage treatment works.  An expenditure of
18         700 million dollars was authorized for fiscal
19         1969.
20                   Last year the Congress appropriated
21         only 203 million dollars of a 450 million
22         dollar authorization.  I was hopeful that the
23         least that we could get for this year would
24         be the 450 million dollars that was authorized for
25         last year.  A 450 million dollar appropriation

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          could put us back on the schedule that we set



          up under provisions of the Clean Waters
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          Restoration Act.



                    We should do all that we can to
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          secure support for adequate Federal and State
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          financing for pollution abatement programs.  I



          think the next necessary step,  in fact, is an
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          amendment to the  Federal law which ups the
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          Federal contribution for municipalities.  We



          went for many years on Federal  matching funds



          of 30 percent. We changed the  law so that it
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          can go as high as 50 percent, but the fact of
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14         the matter is it  ought to be 90 percent Federal



15         money, 10 percent municipal and State money,



16         and then every single municipality in the



17         United States required to comply with the



18         highest status of the art with  adequate treat-



jg         ment plants.



2Q                   It seems a great tragedy to me that



          everybody could universally applaud the Congress



22         in 1955 when it decided to spend 50 billion



23         dollars on an interstate highway system with



24         90-10 Federal monies with no complaint from



25         anybody, and yet  there isn't any support,

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           apparently,  for 90-10 monies to help the



          -municipalities  tackle a problem that is much
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           more  serious,  in my judgment, than the



 _         transportation  problem in this country.
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                     (Applause.)
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                     Lake  Michigan is  a very large body



           of water  beset  by immense,  complex problems.
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           No single State acting alone can stem the
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           tide  of  pollution  now  sweeping the lake.   Only
           through a massive  coordinated  effort will  we



12         be able to  save  this magnificent  asset.  This
          conference gives us  that  opportunity,  and  I
..         hope and I am sure we will  make  the  most  of




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                    Thank you very much.



                    (Applause.)



18                   ASSISTANT SECRETARY EDWARDS:  Thank



19         you, Senator Nelson, for a  most  interesting



20         and provocative statement.



2i                   At this time I should  like to introduce



22         the single person, perhaps more than  any other



23         individual, who is responsible for seeking this



24         conference.   I had the opportunity this morning



25         "to discuss some of the problems  with him and I

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          was deeply impressed  by the  knowledge that




          he has of the problems  and the urgency and




          dedication that he  expresses in wanting to




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 1                       GOVERNOR KERNER
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 3                         STATEMENT BY
 4              THE HONORABLE OTTO KEENER, GOVERNOR
 5                      STATE OF ILLINOIS
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 7                  GOVERNOR  KERNER;   Thank you very much,
 8        Mr. Secretary.  Mayor Daley,  Senator Nelson,
 9        the many  distinguished people here.
10                  I do not  want to  confuse my opening
11        statement of welcome  with the technical report.
12        I thought I at least  ought  to warm you up a
13        bit before we get to  the details  of  the problems
14        that we are facing.
15                  But this  conference that has been
16        called here today is  not the  first of the
17        Great Lakes conferences on  this subject.   There
*8        is a continuing one that was  called  by the
19        Federal Government  concerning Lake Erie.   But
20        it is the first of  such conferences  where four
21        States involving the  entire border of one of
22        our Great Lakes is meeting  with the  Federal
23        Government to solve water pollution  problems
24        of a water resource common  to and shared  in
25        by all of these States.

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 1                        GOVERNOR KEENER
 2                   Attempts have teen made for the four
 S         States to meet and to discuss their mutual
 4         problems, but it is not only logical but
 5         mutually beneficial that the Federal Government
 6         Join with the States in solving these problems,
 7         because not only the States but the Federal
 g         Government share the responsibility for solving
 9         these problems.  And when we speak of Lake
10         Michigan, I think we must speak of all the
11         Great Lakes as a body.
12                   For over 50 years the City of Chicago
13         has been defending its position of the with-
14         drawal of waters from Lake Michigan and the
15         discharge into another basin, and this has
16         proved to be the proper course in which we
17         must go.  The States surrounding us must
18         also look at this,  but then,of course, there
19         is  a water level problem in which Illinois
20         as  well as the other Great Lakes States have
21         been involved in the Great Lakes water basin.
22         There is sufficient water,  but there must be
23         international understanding in order that
24         these waters can be used fruitfully by all
25         the States and provinces,  if you wish, in

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 1                       GOVERNOR KEENER
 2        the entire Great Lakes area.  More water is
 3        lost by evaporation,  if you please, than
 4        any other single cause in the Great Lakes
 5        Basin.   The induction of new and additional
 6        waters  into it and the reversal of flow, as
 7        was done in Lake Superior, can add these
 8        additional gallons of water that are needed
 9        and may be the only way that certain of the
10        other States can solve this problem.
11                  It is recognized that the basic
12        .^ssponsibility for solving the water pollution
13        problems in any State rests with that State.
14        We in Illinois, Senator Nelson, have recognized
15        that responsibility.   I was able in this last
16        general session of the legislature to get their
17        approval for the placing on the ballot this
18        next November a billion dollar bond issue
19        for solving the problems of water and air
20        pollution and recreation.  We in Illinois
21        sometimes lead the way and are penalized
22        because we are ahead of the pack, as we have
23        done in certain other areas, but we cannot wait
24        for the Federal Government.  If this bond issue
25        is approved, municipalities, of course, will

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have the opportunity or using some of these
funds in order onat we can at the State level
assume our direct responsibility within the
boundaries of our own State.
          But in the unique situation in which
we find ourselves today, there are areas of
responsibility in which the Federal Government
must share, these being in the area of not
only sources of pollution in Federal installa-
tions but in important interstate problems,
in some of which the States must have the
active participation and cooperation of the
Federal Government.  These problems are so
basic to the health and the economic welfare of
the State that we can no longer look upon
cooperation as a mere expression of sentiment,
but in this instance it is an economic
necessity.
          By virtue of its own record and the
facts, it was logical that the Governor of
Illinois request this conference, not only
in its activities of pollution control in
its intrastate streams but especially on Lake
Michigan.

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   IGOVERNOR KEENER
                    May I add at this point,  one  of  the
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          witnesses who will be here today,  I think  I
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          saw him as I came in, is the very  able  Attorney
          General of the State of Illinois,  William
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          Clark, who has had more prosecutions  on water
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          pollution than any number of Attorney Generals
          that I know of in this State, and successful
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          prosecutions.  He has done a very  admirable
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                    But Illinois has set a pattern,  and
 ,         as this conference progresses you  will  hear
,_         additional definite plans unfold to assure
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14         that we in Illinois have and are taking
15         definite steps to free our own waters and
16         that of Lake Michigan of those waters that
17         may be polluting it from within the State.
18         I have issued orders to all of the  State
19         installations that they will clean  up their
20         own front yards first before we look  to industry
21         to do it.  We must lead the way if  we expect
22         them to follow, and this is municipal government
23         as well as State.  But certainly this is a
24         common water resource that we have.
25                   I am not at this time pointing a

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 2         finger at any other State.  That Is not the

          purpose of this conference.  But I am

          pointing a finger at Illinois and saying

          we are committed to rid Lake Michigan of

          pollution, Illinois is, and we have moved

          positively in this area.

                    These commitments have and will take

 9         definite shape during this conference and

10         naturally the question arises:  Are you, the

          other States and the Federal Government, planning

12         to do likewise?  While obviously the States

13         have a responsibility and a role, likewise so

14         does the Federal Government, and the other

15         States.  The City of Chicago is leading the

          way in setting a pattern for the control of

17         pollutional wastes from watercraft.  It has

18         been covered by Senator Nelson, and while this

19         program, which will be amplified by our State

20         Water Pollution Control Agency, will protect

21         Illinois waters from such sources of pollution,

22         unless the Government agency takes the leading

23         role in controlling wastes from Interstate and

24         international watercraft,  Illinois  contri-

25         bution will be of little avail.

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 1                       GOVERNOR KERNER



 2                  In connection with the approval by the



 3        Federal Government of the Illinois water criteria-



 4        by the way,  I don't think it has been publicly



 6        announced, but the Secretary approved all of



 6        the four-States  water control criteria programs.



 7        It was done, I believe, Monday morning, so that



 8        all of the criteria plans have been approved,



 9        in the event you didn't know about it.



10                  But in connection with the approval



11        by the Federal Government of Illinois  water



12        criteria and its implementation programs, which



13        include certain deadlines, Illinois will honor



14        these commitments and will proceed with all



15        speed to carry out the enforcement program as



16        submitted to and approved by the Secretary of



17        the Interior.  This includes short-range and



18        long-range plans for the preservation and



19        development of the water resources of Lake



20        Michigan.


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                    Illinois must have the support of the


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          other States and the Federal Government of the


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          position taken by the Governor and the legis-



24        lature of this State that will prohibit the



25        dumping of all materials into Lake Michigan

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          other  than  inert materials  such  as  sand,  stone



 3         and rocks,  which will not  contribute  to  the



 4         pollution of  this water  resource.   Illinois



 5         and the  other States must  support Federal



          legislation to  regulate  pollution by  commercial



          vessels  in  interstate commerce and  the Governors



          of the four States must  direct their  technical



 9         personnel to  instruct the  appropriate State



10         agencies to develop uniform regulations,  and



          where  necessary, legislation to provide for



          the regulation  of pollution from recreational



13         watercraft.  Such regulations must assure



14         that no  sewage  shall be  deposited in  any manner



15         so as  to reach  the water of Lake Michigan except



10         through  treatment facilities that have been



17         approved by the appropriate State agency.



18                  And while the  alewife  problem,  I



19         understand, does not necessarily involve



20         pollution,  it is one to  which the States  and



21         the Federal Government must address themselves.



22         Since  this  problem involves most of the  Great



23         Lakes, it is  suggested that the  Federal  Govern-



24         ment,  and possibly through the recently  created



25         Great  Lakes Basin Commission, address itself

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 2         with  some  positive action to the problem of
 3         the alewife.

 4                   The  water resources of Lake Michigan
 5        are not  a today commodity nor a Governmental
 6         commodity.  Therefore,  the success of this
 7         action  program to free  Lake Michigan from
 g         pollution  must be shared by every individual
 9         organization,  corporation and Governmental
10         agency*  All have a direct responsibility for
11         preservation,  abatement and control of pol-
12         lution.  Organizations  and individuals in
13         Illinois with  responsible interest in the

14         protection and preservation of the waters of
15         Lake  Michigan  have responded to the invitation
16         to participate in this  conference.
17                  And  may I say I,  too,  thank the
18        media of all the  areas  that are  affected by
19        Lake  Michigan  for making the public aware
20        of this problem.   I  think they have done an
21        outstanding Job.

22                  But  certainly I assure you that we in
23        Illinois are aware  of the program,  of the
24        problem, and certainly  we will  do everything
25        within our power  to  see  that Lake Michigan

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          as  well as  the Internal waters of Illinois
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          are preserved.
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                    (Applause.)
                    ASSISTANT SECRETARY EDWARDS:  Thank
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          you, Governor
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                    It occurs to me that this would be
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          an  appropriate time to recess until 2 o'clock
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          this afternoon.  But before we do that, I
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          should again like to thank Mayor Daley for
          that fine statement and for his awareness of
          the problems that we have before this conference
          and for his dedication to solving them too
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          was taken until 2:00 p.m. of the same day.)

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                       WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN

 2                       AFTERNOON  SESSION
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 4                   ASSISTANT  SECRETARY EDWARDS:   Ladies
 5         and gentlemen,  be  seated,please.  The conference

 -         will now come to order.
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 7                   I have the pleasure and privilege of

 8         introducing to  you the Honorable William Milliken,
          Lieutenant Governor  from the  State of Michigan.
10                   (Applause.)

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12                   STATEMENT BY THE HONORABLE

13             WILLIAM 0. MILLIKEN, LIEUTENANT.GOVERNOR

14                       STATE OP MICHIGAN

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16                   LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MILLIKEN:   Assistant
          Secretary Edwards, Governor Kerner,  conferees at
          this conference this afternoon,  this week and
19         next week, ladies  and gentlemen.
20                   I am  privileged to  represent  Governor
21         George Romney and  the people  of Michigan at this

22         very important  conference which begins  today.
23                   Michigan,  as many of you know, has

24         within her boundaries 4l  percent of  the  entire
25         area of the Great  Lakes.  Four of  the Great Lakes

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 2         touch our 3,000 miles of  shoreline.  We have

 3         more than 11,000  Inland lakes and  36,000 miles

 4         of rivers and streams.

 5                   Lake Michigan,  the third largest  of

 6         the Great Lakes and the sixth largest  fresh water

 7         body in the world, has an area of  22,400 square

 8         miles, of which more than 58 percent lies within

 9         Michigan.

10                   In short, Michigan has more  to gain

11         from this valuable resource of fresh water  than

12         any other State,  and by the same token, Michigan

13         has more to lose  if these waters are not pro-

14         tected from the destruction of pollution.

15                   And I want to say at this time that

16         Michigan stands ready to  do its share  of the

17         Job that needs "to be done.

18                   In accordance with the Water Quality

19         Law, passed by the Congress in 19^5* Michigan

20         met its commitment in adopting, prior  to July 1

21         of 1967, as required by law, water quality

22         standards and plans for Implementation and

23         enforcement of these standards.

24                   Secretary Udall this week has approved

25         our water quality standards subject to the

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 l                     WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN
 2        resolution  of  certain questions  which hopefully
 3        can be  cleared up within the next few days.
 4                  My purpose here today  is to push for
 6        full  adoption  of Michigan  standards,  to
 6        indicate what  already has been done in our
 7        State to combat pollution,  and to stress  the
 8        interdependency of  Federal, State and local
 9        action.
10                  If we are to work effectively together,
n        states  must know what share of total costs will
12        be borne by  the Federal Government; and local
13        units must  know what share of State and local
w        costs will  be  borne by the States.
15                  Let  me indicate this interdependency
16        by reviewing with you briefly the considerations
17        of the  large-scale  bonding proposal made  earlier
lg        this  month  to  the Michigan legislature by
19        Governor Romney.
20                  Our  goal  by 1980 is to remove the
21        threat  to our  inland lakes, our  rivers and the
22        Great Lakes by construction of 210 new treatment
23        plants, by  the construction of sewers for an
24        additional  3 1/2 million people, and by the
25        improvement of 126 existing sewage treatment

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 2         plants.



 3                   The costs of this program are  estimated



 4         by the Michigan Water Resources Commission  at



 6         $1,200,000,000, of which $568,000,000  is for



          treatment and interceptor facilities and
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          $641,000,000 is for lateral sewers and storm-



          water control.  This is the program right now



 .         that we are asking the people of Michigan to
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10         begin to undertake to halt pollution in  Michigan



          lakes and streams and in the Great Lakes.



12                   Assuming a payment formula for the



t,         treatment and interceptor facilities phase  of
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14         the program as proposed in Michigan House Bill



15         2646, whereby the State pays 25 percent, the



16         local community 25 percent, and the Federal



17         Government 50 percent, the respective  costs



18         would be:



19                   State $142,000,000;



20                   Local $142,000,000;



21                   The Federal Government $284,000,000;



22                   For a total of $568,000,000.



23                   Experience demonstrates, however, that



24         the Federal share of 50 percent cannot be guaran-



25         teed.  For example, Congress authorized

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                        WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN




           $18,000,000  as  Michigan    share  of Federal water



           pollution  grants  for fiscal  1968,  but subsequent-



 .          ly  reduced this authorization  and  appropriated




 5          only  $7,200,000.



                     With  this  experience in  mind,  we are
 o


           assuming that the Congress may not appropriate




 a          the $284,000,000  authorized  for  Michigan by 1972,
 O


 9          but may appropriate  only $141,000,000.



                     Based upon this assumption,  the State



..          share of construction costs  would  be  $285,000,000




          ($142,000,000 State    share plus  prefunding of



,,          $143,000,000 of the  Federal  share  of  $284,000,000).
13


14                    A  bond  issue of $285,000,000 plus




15          Federal financing would  pay  75 percent of the



           cost  of building  new disposal  plants  and




17          improving  existing plants to include  secondary



18          treatment  and laying interceptor sewers  for all



           of  the municipalities, with  the  obligation of



20          financing  from  their own funds the remaining 25



2i          percent of such costs  and, in  addition,  paying



22          100 percent  of the costs  of  lateral sewers.




23                    Our problem is  further complicated by




24          the fact that of  the 191  municipalities  required



25          to  construct  new  plants  or to  improve existing

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 1                       WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN
 2          plants,  some  165  are communities with populations
 3          under  500.  For them,  as  well  as for other cities
 4          with a low  property  valuation,  the  problem of
 5          financing their remaining share of  the program
 6          is unrealistic.   Additional  State assistance is
 7          mandatory if  the  Job is  to be  done.
 8                   The Governor has,  therefore,  proposed
 9          that a guarantee  and loan fund of $50,000,000
10          be established so that this  amount  be added to
11          the proposed  bond issue  of $285,000,000,  making
12          a. total  water treatment  bond issue  of
13          $335,000,000.  This  is the bond issue which we
14          are now  submitting before the  current session
15          of the Michigan legislature.
16                   A $335,000,000  bond  issue  repayable
17          within 30 years would  require  average annual
18          payments of 18.8  million  dollars, and if  Congress
19          should later  appropriate  larger sums  than we
20          have estimated, the  full  amount of bonds,  although
21          authorized, would not  need to  be issued.
22                   Hopefully  this  will  be the  case,  but
23          because  we have no real assurance that  the Federal
24          Government will meet its  full  50 percent  commit-
25          ment,  we must, to be sure  of attaining  our goals

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 I                      WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN

 2         in water pollution control,  place a dispro-

 3         portionately heavy burden upon the State.

 4                   I recognize that these, admittedly,

 5         are Michigan problems and further time should

 5         not be  devoted to them,  except to indicate

 7         that other States undoubtedly find themselves

 g         in a similar predicament in trying to base

 9         major programs on a 50-25-25 percent basis in

10         which the 50 percent may be  subject to con-

n         siderable shrinkage.

12                   Michigan's past record in combatting

13         water pollution,  though  admittedly inadequate,

14         has,  I  believe,  been significant.

15                   We have made substantial progress in

16         the past five years, progress made possible

17         by the  sincere concern and the interest of

18         citizens,  the responsibility of the legislature,

19         and the leadership of the executive office.

20         This  progress includes:

21                   Pollution control  legislation which

22         has  been greatly  strengthened;

23                   State appropriations  to  the Water

24         Resources  Commission,  which  is  the principal

25         water quality control  agency in our State,

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 1                     WILLIAM G.  MILLIKEN
 2        and  these  appropriations have  been  increased
 3        from $255,000  in fiscal  year 1963 to  $730,000
 4        in fiscal  year 1968;
 5                   The  staff  of our  Michigan Water Resour-
 6        ces  Commission has doubled  in  that  period of  time;
 7                   A State grant  fund has been created to
 g        assist local communities in construction of sewage
 9        treatment  facilities;
10                   Tax  incentives have  been  granted to
H        industries for pollution control;
12                   And  we have adopted  intrastate water
13        quality standards.
14
15                   We have sent to this Conference highly
16        qualified  Conferees  from whom  you will be hearing
17        in a good  deal more  detail  on  Monday  and Tuesday
18        of next week on the  scope of Federal,  State and
19        local anti-pollution activities  in  Michigan.
20                   As Lieutenant Governor of a penin-
21        sular State, which is known as the  "Water
22        Wonderland," I agree completely  with  Secretary
23        Udall in his statement that "No  resource in
24        the  country is  more  important  than  the saving
25  '.      of Lake Michigan."

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                       WILLIAM 6. MILL I KEN



                    I am greatly encouraged by this broad
 0        attack on lake pollution which includes our
 3


 4        sister States of Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin



 _        working in conjunction with Federal officials.
 5


                    I would repeat that the relationship
 6


          between Federal, State and local government in



          planning and in funding must be the best possible,
 o


          in which each unit keeps its commitments to the



10        other units.  We cannot expect, for example,



          that local government will raise more than 25



          percent of the cost of any project so long as



.„        50 percent Federal and 25 percent State are
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          promised.



15                  I would say in conclusion that as



16        already demonstrated by this conference called



17        by the Secretary this massive pollution problem



18        we face is not solely a local or a State problem;



          it is multi-state and it is nationwide.  That



20        is why I believe it is critically important for



21        Michigan and the other three States which are



22        meeting here today and for the Federal Government



23        to use all of the forces of law, all of the knowl-



24        edge that man possesses, to see that water, our



25        most valuable national resource, is used wisely

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 !                      WILLIAM G.  MILLION
 2         and kept as pure  and as  clean as it is humanly
 3         possible to do.
 4                   Thank you  very much.
 6                   (Applause.)
 6                   ASSISTANT  SECRETARY EDWARDS:  Thank you,
 7         Governor Milliken.
 g                   At this time I should like to turn the
 9         gavel over to the gentleman on my immediate right,
10         Mr. Murray Stein, who is the Assistant CbnrnLsaioner
H         for Enforcement of the Federal Water Pollution
12         Control Administration.   He will assist me in
13         chairing the remainder of the conference.
14
15               MURRAY STEIN, ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER
16               FOR ENFORCEMENT, FEDERAL WATER
17               POLLUTION CONTROL ADMINISTRATION
18               U. S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
19
20                   MR.  STEIN:  Thank you,  Secretary
21         Edwards.
22                   I think before  we continue,  we might
23         have the  panel introduce  themselves, and I will
24         call on  the States as I  hope  to  call on them for
25         their presentations  in  alphabetical order.

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 !                  INTRODUCE-xwN  OF  CONFEREES

 2                  Illinois.  Will  the  Illinois  conferees

 3        indicate who  they  are?

 4                  MR. KLASSEN:   I  am Clarence W.  Klassen,

 5        Technical Secretary  of  the Illinois  Sanitary

 6        Water Board,  and have been officially designated

 7        the conferee  by that Board.

 8                  On  my left is Dr.  Franklin D.  Yoder,

 o        the Director  of the  State  Department of  Public
                      i
10        Health in Illinois and  Chairman  of  the  Illinois

H        Sanitary Water Board.

12                  MR. STEIN:  May  we have Indiana?

13                  MR. POOLE:  I am Blucher  Poole,

14        Technical Secretary  of  the Indiana  Stream

15        Pollution Control  Board, and I have  been

w        designated by Governor  aranigin  as  one  of the

17        Indiana conferees.
lg                  On  my immediate  left is John  Mitchell,

19        who is Director of the  Department of Natural

20        Resources of  the State  of  Indiana,  and  he has

21         been designated by Governor  Branigin as my co-

22         conferee.

23                   On  his left is Colonel Charles  Sidle,

24         who is Chairman of the  Indiana Stream Pollution

25         Control Board.

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 1                  INTRODUCTION  OF  CONFEREES

 2                  MR. STEIN:  Michigan.

 3                  MR. OEMING:   Mr.  Chairman,  I  am

 4        Loring F. Oeming, Executive Secretary of  the

 5        Michigan Water Resources Commission.

 6                  On my left  is Mr. George F. Liddle,

 7        the  Chairman of the Michigan Water Resources

 8        Commission  and former City Manager of Muskegon,

 9        Michigan, on Lake Michigan.

10                  MR. STEIN:  May  we have Wisconsin.

n                  MR. HOLMER:  Mr. Stein,  the letter

12        of invitation to attend; this conference addressed

13        to the State of Wisconsin  designated the Depart-

14        ment of Resources Development as  the conferee

15        for  Wisconsin.  This  did not take  into  account

16        the  fact  that Wisconsin has undergone a re-
17        organization in which the  Department of Resources

18        Development has "become  the Division  of  Resource

19        Development in  a Department of Natural  Resources.

20                  The  Chairman of  the Natural Resources

21        Board is  Mr. Russell  G. Lynch, who has  been

22        designated  as  Governor Knowles'  personal repre-

23        sentative at  this  conference.
24                   The  Secretary of the Department of

25        Natural  Resources,  the second man to my left,

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                    INTRODUCTION OF  CONFEREES

 2        Lester P. Voigt,is also a  representative  at  this

 3        conference of the State of Wisconsin.

 .                  I am Freeman Holmer, Administrator of

          the Division of Resource Development in that

 .        Department.
 o

                    MR. STEIN:  Glad to welcome you,

 g        particularly Mr. Lynch, who is the personal

          representative of the Governor.  Most of  the

          people on the panel are old pros in the business

          and we know them well.  Russ Lynch has been  an

12        old pro too, but this is the first time I have

13        seen him in an official capacity.  Generally

          he has been, as many of you well know, one of

15        the star reporters of the  Milwaukee Journalt

          and in the '20s  and '30s  he was the sports

          editor, then he became the conservation editor,

18        and probably was the most  distinguished conser-

19        vation editor in the United States.

20                  Glad to have you, Mr. Lynch.  I know

21         your remarks here probably are going to be as

22         perceptive as they were when you were on  the

23         newspaper.  I hope here not as acid.

24                   (Laughter.)

25                   The Federal Government.-- Mr. Poston.

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 !                  INTRODUCTION OF CONFEREES



 2                  MR. POSTON:  I am H. W. Poston,



 3        Regional Director of  the Federal Water  Pollution



 4        Control Administration, Department of Interior



 5        for  the Great Lakes Region.



 c                  MR. STEIN:  Thank you.
 D


                   We will continue with  the  presentations,



 g        first  of the statements of the Congressional and



 9        gubernatorial staffs. In addition  to that,  we



10        will have a Federal presentation and presentations



u        from the States  in alphabetical  order.



12                  All those who want  to  be  heard should



13        get  in touch with  their State agencies.  We  will



14        allow  each  State to manage  its  own  time.  It will



15        facilitate  progress of  the  conference  and help



16        you  if you  can  register with your State as soon



17        as possible at  the next  recess  if you want to



18        be heard,  because the management of a conference



19         of this type sometimes  gets  a little complicated.



20        We can give you * better  prognosis  as to a time



21         schedule and how long it is going to last if you



22         will all get to your  States and let them know



23         that you want to appear and if you can give



24         them a copy of your  statement with  the judgment



25         of how long you are  going to take for your

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 1                 TELEGRAM PROM SENATOR PERCY

 2        presentation.

 3                  Anyone  other than  the  conferees  should

 4        come to  the lectern and identify himself.     It

 5        will be  most helpful, if you have  copies of  your

 6        statements  if you give them to  the  conferees

 7        and most importantly  to Mrs. Rankin, who is

 g        making a record of the conference.   We have  a

 9        lot of business to do, and I think the critical

10        point is going to be  how long Mrs. Rankin  can

H        stay with us taking down these notes.  She

12        can stay with us much longer if  you  will give

13        her copies of your statements when you come  up.

14                  I would like to read a telegram

15        addressed to Secretary Stewart L.  Udall.
                                          "January 31, 1968
16                  "l want to  express my  wholehearted

17        support for and encouragement of the Lake

18        Michigan Pollution Control Enforcement Conference.

10        I regret that the business of the  Senate prevents

20        my being with you.  However, I know  I Join many

21        millions of citizens  from the four-state area

22        in appreciation of your personal attention to

23        the pollution problems of Lake Michigan, and

24        for your awareness that no resource  problem  in

25        the country is more important than the saving of

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 1                 TELEGRAM PROM SENATOR PERCY
 2        our lake.   This Conference can perform a great
 3        service  in magnifying and accelerating efforts
 4        by all levels of government,  private industry
 5        and the  public at large to arrest the strangu-
 6        lation of the lake   It will  take redoubling
 7        of the present efforts of all concerned if the
 g        present  deterioration of the  lake is to be
 9        arrested much less reversed.   My best wishes
10        for a revealing and constructive Conference.
11        Charles  H. Percy, United States Senator."
12                  At this point we have the statement of
13        Senator  Philip Hart of Michigan, and we would
14        like to  call on a member of our Chicago staff,
15        Mr. Grover Cook, to read that statement.
16                  Mr. Cook, will you  read the statement.
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 I                 STATEMENT OP  SB1ATOR. HART
 2
 8           STATEMENT, OF THE HONORABLE PHILIP A. HART
 4                  THE UNITED  STATES SENATE
 5                     STATE OP MICHIGAN
 6
 7                  MR. COOK:   This is a statement of
 g        Senator Philip A. Hart to the Lake  Michigan
 9        Enforcement Conference, Chicago, Illinois,
10        January 31, 1968.
11                  "Mr. Secretary, I regret  very  much  that
12        an obligation to be on the Senate floor  today
13        prevents my being with you in person to  testify
14        to my intense interest in the control of  pollution
15        on our inland lakes  and rivers as on our  coastal
16        waters.
17                  "You know that as far back as  1959  the
18        Senate set up a Select Committee on  National  Water
19        Resources.  We submitted our report  in January
20        of 1961  calling attention to the danger  signals
21        with regard to the western Great Lakes.   I was
22        one of four Senators  who filed Supplemental Views
23        to that  report,  not  disagreeing with i.ts  findings
24        but urging a greater  and more immediate effort
25

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      . _ _                    15*
 1                STATEMENT  OF
 2        to  cope with  the problem.

 3                  "That sense of urgency,  expressed  in

 4        196l, is Just as right  today:

 5                  "'The free water  frontier has  passed.

 6        Additional water can no longer  be  taken  heedlessly

 7        or  effortlessly.  The United States is squeezed

 g        between the pincers of  inadequate  water  develop-

 9        ment and rapidly increasing water  requirements,

10        while pollution makes more  and  more of our avail -

11        able water unfit for human  or industrial uses.

12                  "'Our task is to  manage  the basic  supply

IS        of  water so that it will be usable at the places

14        and times  it  is needed, in  a quality acceptable

15        for the desired uses.   Technical studies and

16        expert Judgment indicate that this country has

17        the competence to deal  with physical problems

18        of  water supply and pollution.  But we have  not

19        yet put this  competence fully to work.   The

20        question is not whether we  can  do  it--it is  whether

21        we  will do it. ' "

22                  "In addition  to the technical  and

23        engineering research which  we must vigorously

24        pursue, and in addition to  the  Federal-State-

25        local coordination which the problem clearly

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 1                STATEMENT  OF   SENATOR  HART
 2       demands, there  are  two  or  three  specific  things
 3       I believe we  should do  to  help get  on with this
 4       life-and-death  Job.
 5                 "l.   First of  all  is the  question of
 $       money.  More  adequate sums of  money must  be
 7       provided for  the Federal contribution to  con-
 g       struction of  sewage treatment  plants.   Senator
 9       Muskie, Senator Williams of  New  Jersey and I,
10       among others, wanted to  battle this out on the
11       Senate floor  this fall,  but  we were assured that
12       a request for supplemental funds  could be made
13       if the demand warranted.   Well,  I would like the
14       news to travel  far  and wide  that  Michigan's
15       eligible applications for  1967-68 totaled $202
16       million, of which the Federal  share at 30 percent
17       would be $60 million.  What  we are  getting is
18       $7,3^4,500.   This is truly a gap.   I  know that
19       the Michigan Water  Resources Commission has been
20       working manfully to  fulfill  its  obligations and
21       deserves all the help any  of us can give  it.
22                 "2.   The  Midwest Federal  Water  Pollution
23       Laboratory, which we were  successful  in locating
24       in Ann Arbor and for which I finally  secured
25       Federal funding back in  1964,  is  still on the

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   	156
 1                  STATEMENT  OF   SENATOR  HART
 2         drawing boards in the Department  of Interior.
 3         This is a disgraceful situation,  Mr.  Chairman,
 4         and the fact  that it sat for  three years  in  the
 5         Department of Health, Education and Welfare  be-
 6         fore it began sitting in Interior does not lessen
 7         the indignation,
 g                   "The holding  of  this conference here
 9         today is proof that there  is  work to  be done,
10         serious, complicated, costly  work, to solve  the
11         problems of Great Lakes pollution.  Our problems
12         are not only  test tube  problems,  they are social
13         and economic problems,  administrative problems,
14         enforcement problems.   What is needed is  a com-
15         prehensive mobilization of our forces on  a basin
16         basis, and clearly  the  creation of the Ann Arbor
17         Laboratory, adjacent to the great natural and
18         human resources of  the  area,  would be an  enor-
19         mous step forward in helping  us put our best
20         brains to solving these problems.
21                   "Mr. Secretary,  I appreciate this
22         opportunity to express  some of my views on this
23         pollution problem.  I know all of us  in Michigan
24         will cooperate to the fullest in  its  solution.
25                   "Thank you very much."

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 1                 STATEMENT OF  SENATOR  HART
 2                  MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Cook.
 3                  As senator Nelson, Senator Hart has
 4        followed the water pollution control problems
 5        in the Congress very closely and is very
 6        interested in these cases and in the improvement
 7        of our water resources.
 8                  Next we will call for statements which
 9        have been submitted by Representatives Sidney
10        Yates and Daniel Ronan of Illinois, and Dr. Jacob
11        Bregman, also a native son of Illinois, will
12        read those statements.
13                  I understand Congressman Rostenkowski
14        may have a statement and may have it here before
15        the conference is over.  If he does, that will
16        be most welcome.
17                  Dr» Bregman
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                  STATEMENT OP CONGRESSMAN YATES
            STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE SIDNEY R, YATES
           IT. S. HOUSE OP REPRESENTATIVES, 9TH DISTRIC
                        STATE OP ILLINOIS
 6
 7                  DRr  BREGMAN:  The following Is the
 8         statement by Representative Yates ;
 9                   "I congratulate Governor Kerner for
          his  initiative in calling this Federal-State
          conference  for the purpose of accelerating our
12         efforts  to  clean up Lake Michigan.  Saving the
13         lake from the  curses of further pollution must
14         be viewed as one of the principal objectives of
15         the  Federal Government as well as the Governments
16         of Illinois, Indiana,  Michigan and Wisconsin.
17         The  people  of  these States are determined that
lg         Lake Michigan  shall not deteriorate, decay and
19         develop  dead spots as  did Lake Erie.
20                   MIt  is imperative that we immediately
21         employ our  best  efforts and technology to reverse
22         the  rising  tide  of pollution.   All the citizens
23         of the bordering States,  not Just the riparian
24         communities, suffer the effects of pollution In
25         the  form of restricted recreation,  the demise

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                  STATEMENT OP  CONGRESSMAN YATES

          of commercial and private fisheries, and the

          destruction of aesthetic enjoyment.  Although

          efforts to reduce the amount of pollutants

          dumped into the lake have increased, as yet

 .         they are inadequate.  Evidence gathered since

 7         1965 indicates a further decline rather than

          an improvement in the quality of the water.

          To preserve the lake for posterity, decisive

          action must be taken today.

n                   "l specifically recommend that Congress

          prohibit the Corps of Engineers from dumping

13         polluted dredging spoil into the lake and

14         strengthen existing legislation to penalize

15         those who release oil, sewage and other pollutants

          from watercraft.  I urge all municipalities,,

17         especially those north of Chicago, to review

18         the pernicious practice of dumping sewage either

19         into the lake or its tributaries, looking to a

20         discontinuation of the practice.  Finally,  I

21         encourage the Federal Water Pollution Control

22         Administration to adhere to its deadlines for

23         the abatement of industrial pollution."

24                   And now the statement by Representative

25         Daniel J.  Ronan.

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   	160
 1               STATEMENT OF CONGRESSMAN ROHAN
 2
 3          STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE DANIEL J. RONAH
 4               U. S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
 5                      STATE OF ILLINOIS
 6
 7                  "Mr. Chairman, we  must prevent
 g        L&ke Michigan from becoming  another Lake
 9        Erie.  This^ conference,  if it does  its
10        job properly, will prevent Lake Michigan
11        from becoming another Lake Erie and will
12        prevent continued destruction of this most
13        valuable resource in the midwest.   As I see
14        it, if Lake Michigan goes, so goes  the  economy
15        of this entire area,
16                  "We have had enough of pollution--by
17        alewives, by municipal and industrial wastes,
18        and all the other wastes which are  destroying
19        this marvelous resource  on which we all depend,
20        some directly and some indirectly,  for  our
21        livelihood and for our pleasure.
22                  "The American  people, the people of
23        the Great Lakes Basin of Illinois,  of Chicago,
24        and of the Sixth District ha/e had  enough of
25        pollution. They have had enough of  spilled oil,

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  I                STATEMENT OP  CONGRESSMAN RONAN

  2        sewage and dead alewives littering  their  bathing

  3        beaches and fouling their water  intakes.

  4                  "l congratulate Governor  Kerner,

  5        Senator Nelson, and Secretary Udall, plus  the

  6        State and local officials,  the members  of  private

  7        organizations and the press who  are taking

  g        particular interest in this conference.

  9                  "l believe that we can prevent  Lake

 10         Michigan from becoming another Lake Erie.  The

 11         Job will not be easy or short or cheap.

 12                   "As I see it, it will  take sustained,

 13         persistent and dedicated efforts of Federal,

 14         State and local officials, as well  as by  the

 15         press and members of private organizations,

 16         if we are to prevent Lake Michigan  from becoming

 17         another Lake Erie.

 18                   "And we do not have much  time, because

 19         the problem has grown so great and  the factors

 20         contributing to the problem are  accelerating so

 21         rapidly that if we do not move fast and massively

 22         enough, we may barely keep pace  with the problem

 23         or even fall behind.

24                   "You have my support and  I am sure

25         the support of the American people  to do what

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 1                 STATEMENT  OF  CONGRESSMAN RONAN
 2         needs  to be  done to prevent Lake Michigan from
 3         becoming another Lake  Erie."
 4                    (Applause.)
 5                    MR. STEIN:   Thank you, Dr.  Bregman.
          I wonder if  you would  convey our thanks  to
          Representatives Yates  and Ronan for those fine
          statements.
 9                    We will  now  have the statement of
10         Governor Roger Branigin of Indiana, delivered
          by John Mitchell.
12                    Mr. Mitchell.
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 1                STATEMENT OF GOVERNOR BRANIGIN


 2


 3          STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE ROGER D. BRANIGIN


 4                  GOVERNOR,  STATE OF INDIANA


 5                         PRESENTED BY


 6                       JOHN  E.  MITCHELL


 7            INDIANA STREAM POLLUTION CONTROL BOARD


 8               DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES


 9


10                   MR. MITCHELL:  Assistant Secretary


11         Edwards and Chairman Stein, distinguished


12         conferees  and ladies and gentlemen.


13                   I present this statement on behalf


14         of  Governor Roger D. Branigin of the State of


15         Indiana.


16                   "The State of Indiana has only 45


17         miles  of  shoreline  on  Lake  Michigan.  Despite


18         our limited access  on  this  great natural resource,


19         it  constitutes a  priceless  asset to our State,


20         serving major sectors  of our economy and well-


21         being  in  such diverse  areas as municipal and

OO
           Industrial water  supply, navigation, recreation


23         and fisheries. Let me say  then at the outset


24         that Indiana intends to so  protect this resource
25
          that  its  citizens  may enjoy the benefits of all

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 1                STATEMENT OF  GOVERNOR  BRANIGIN


 2         legitimate water uses  within  the  limitations


 3         which  nature  and political  boundaries impose


 4         upon us.


 5                   "I  might add that this  is  neither a


 6         new policy nor  is It one which  applies only to


 7         the Lake  Michigan sector of our State.  The


 8         State  of  Indiana has long recognized the benefits


 9         of clean  water  as demonstrated  by our formal


10         Statewide pollution  abatement program, exercised


11         through the Indiana  Stream  Pollution Control


l*         Board,  which  is now  in its  25th year.  Through-


13         out that  long period,  and unheralded by the


14         spotlight of  publicity, a solid record of


I5         progress  has  been achieved.


1*                   "This program was greatly  strengthened


17         by our  196? General  Assembly  when a  new clean


18         water  program was approved.   Funds were appro-


19         priated to provide State grants of 25 percent of


20         the cost  of municipal  sewage  treatment facilities,


21         and laws  were enacted  which exempt industrial


22 ;        facilities for  water pollution  control from

QQ j
 0         personal  property taxation  and  require the


24         certification of the operators  of sewage and


25         industrial waste treatment  plants.   I believe

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 1               STATEMENT OF  GOVERNOR BRANIGIN
 2        that Indiana is the first State  in  the  Union  to
 3        require  certification  of industrial waste  treat-
 4        ment plant operators.
 5                  "Further, Indiana has  adopted water
 6 I       quality  criteria and a specific  program for
 7        their implementation,  not only for  Lake Michigan
 8        and all  of the waters  flowing into  it,  but for
 9        all waters in Indiana, both interstate  and
10        intrastate.  The Lake  Michigan criteria are
11        identical to those adopted by the conferees in
12        the enforcement case covering a  small portion
13        of the south end of the lake  which  was  begun
14        in 1965.  The criteria for the entire State and
15        the plans of implementation were approved by  the
16        Secretary of the Interior in  July   196?.  We
17        were honored by being  one of  the first  States —
18        if not,  in fact, the first State--to have its
19        criteria and plans approved.  Secretary Udall
20        termed this 'a superb  Job1
21                  "I assume the other States bordering
22        upon Lake Michigan have adopted  similar programs.
23        Through  our several State programs  the  problems
24        amenable to control at the individual State
25        levels will be solved.

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  |STATEMENT OF GOVERNOR BRANIGIN
                    W0n this basis it seems to me that the
 2
          remaining area of concern,  and the area to which
 3
          the main thrust of this conference should be
          directed, is the development of a uniform approach
 5
   J       to the control of existing and future pollution
 6
          of Lake Michigan.
 7
                    "There are a number of problems which
 O
          can be solved only by such concerted action.
          These include the control of algae,  oil. pol-
10
          lution from boats, alewives, and the disposal
          of dredged materials.  The Indiana boating law
12
          prohibits the discharge of human waste from
13
          boats on all Indiana waters except Lake Michigan.
14
,_  i       I  wi.ll ask the 1969 General Assembly to correct
15
,.         this deficiency.  It does seem to me, however,
16
17         that the control of commercial vessels can be
lg         more appropriately handled at the Federal level.
19                   "l also favor enactment of Federal
20         legislation strengthening the current powers of
21         the Department of Interior on the control of oil
22         and strong Federal leadership on the alewife
23         problem.  On dredged materials I support the
24         position that organic material and inorganic
25         material of a harmful nature should not be

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 t ISTATEMENT OF GOVERNOR BRANIGIN



 2        disposed of in the lake.  We must recognize it



 0        takes time to work out acceptable methods and
 3


 ,        all parties concerned should work with the Corps



 .        of Engineers to develop these methods with the



          least practicable delay.
 D


                     "in addition to these current problems,



          it is my view that many potential future problems
 o


 9        of pollution can be avoided or minimized through



10        a program  of coordinated and comprehensive



jj        planning for the development of the water re-



12        sources of the Great Lakes Basin.  The newly-



13        created Great Lakes Basin Commission, of which



14        all the Great Lakes States and involved Depart-



15        ments of the Federal Government are members,



16        appears to be the proper vehicle for such co-



17        ordination.



18                   "In closing, I pledge the cooperation



!9        of the State of Indiana in carrying out any



20        sound program for the control of present and



21        future pollution of Lake Michigan in order



22        that future generations can enjoy to the fullest



23        its priceless assets."



24                   (Applause.)



25                   MR. STEIN:  We will now hear the

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 !                          R. G. LYNCH
 2         statement of Governor Warren Knowles,  presented

 3         by Mr. Russell Lynch.
 4                   Mr. Lynch.

 5
 6                   STATEMENT BY R.  G. LYNCH
 7               CHAIRMAN, NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD

 8                      STATE OP WISCONSIN

 9
10                   MR. LYNCH:  Mr.  Secretary, who  Is  gone,
n         and Mr. Enforcement Chief, who Is here, conferees

12         and others In this outstanding gathering.
13                   I do not deliver a statement written

14  i       by the Governor of Wisconsin.  I represent him.
15         The statement is mine and  he is in  accord with
1$         it, I am quite sure.  My remarks will  be  short
17         because I would like to see this conference
lg         get down to the business for which  it  was called.
19                   We from Wisconsin are deeply concerned

20         about pollution and we have come to this  con-

21         ference in a spirit of complete cooperation  and
22         look to it for constructive action  to  protect
23         and restore Lake Michigan.  Our Governor, Warren
24         Knowles, held conferences  not long  ago on pol-
25         lution problems of the Milwaukee and Green Bay

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 1                          R. G. LYNCH



 2         areas in which the Federal people participated.



 3         His concern is very real about this matter.



 4                   As for myself, having spent years


 5         publicizing pollution problems through the



 6         Milwaukee Journal, I am personally very pleased



 7         at the broad scope of this conference.  I compli-



 8         ment Secretary Udall and personnel of the Water



 9         Pollution Control Administration for making it



10         much more than an enforcement conference.



11                   Mr.  Udall's  recent approval of the



12         four States  water quality standards and plans



13         for attaining  them has  helped to create a good



14         atmosphere for  this meeting.   Wisconsin



15         standards  are  strong and forward-looking.   I


16         helped  draft them last  year  as a member of  our



17         State Resource  Development Board.   Our new


18         Natural Resources  Board is taking over the


19         task of that Board  as well as  the  work of


           other agencies.


21
                    After three decades  of  substantial

22
           efforts to cope with water pollution,  Wisconsin

23
           intensified its attack  two years ago when the

24
          legislature provided more money and manpower

25
          and stronger laws and ordered a merger of

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                           R. G. LYNCH

          resource agencies, which will be completed by

          July 1 of this year,

                    Our Department also administers new

 g         laws to control air pollution and solid waste

 .         disposal, as well as older laws to control

          nearly every activity of man which affects

          lakes and streams.

                    Thus we are equipped to cooperate

          vigorously in carrying out proposals of this

          conference.

12                   As a long-time reporter in this

13         field, I know something of the scope and

14         urgency of Lake Michigan problems.  I would

15         say here, as in all areas of pollution, we are

16         20 years late in getting at what we should do.

17         We should have begun immediately after World

18         War II, which not only fcatered a technological

          explosion but had delayed the construction of

20         sewers and sewage treatment plants.  NoT we

21         need to get at it with speed because we have

22         been falling behind all this time.

23                   This conference must not merely discuss

24         and recommend.  As a reporter and as a participant

25         I have been to quite a few conferences out of

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 1                         R.  G.  LYUCH
 2        which very  little  came,   I would  HKe  to  see
 3        something definite come out of  this  one,  and  I
 4        think it will.  We can't merely discuss and
 5        recommend here.  This  conference  should produce
 e        programs and  estimates  of their cost,  of  the
 7        total cost.
 g                  Senator  Nelson, a progressive in  his
 9        fight against pollution,  is a conservative  when
10        he puts a $650,000,000  price  tag  on  this  Basin
11        cleanup.  The cost of  eliminating storrowater
12        from sanitary sewers in the Milwaukee  area
13        alone may run to $300,000,000,  and a real
14        cleanup of  the Pox River and  Green Bay also
15        could be enormously expensive.
16                  Looking  over  the Federal recommendations
17        which have  been printed for this  conference,  and
18        I agree with  them  fully,  and  contemplating  the
19        construction  and the continuing research  and
20        development involved,  I think that overall
21        we are talking about a  billion  dollar  program
22        and in time it could run perhaps  a great  deal
23        more.
24                  Whatever the  cost,  the  lake  must
25        be saved.   This conference not  only  must  be

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 1                          R. G. LYNCH
 2         realistic about financing, it should admonish
 3         Congress to be realistic.  We need better Judg-
 4         ment in our national Capitol as to what is
 5         essential and what is not.
 6                   So long as sky rockets to the moon
 7         and supersonic airplanes for two percent of our
 8         people are put ahead of saving the environment
 9         for all of our people, I see little hope for
10         the kind of Lake Michigan program we need or
ll         for any other effective environmental protection
12         efforts.  The States, local governments and
13         industry cannot do the job.  Massive Federal
14         aid is required.
15                   You have heard other speakers talk
16         about the difference between what has been
17         authorized by the Congress and what has been
18         appropriated.  The Congress when it requires
19         States to put up money for aid to communities
20         as a condition for getting Federal aid for
21         those communities is guilty, in my opinion,
22         of something ror which private citizens get
23         arrested and put in jail, and that is called
24         a pigeon drop.  I hope you are familiar with
25         it.

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                                       	iza.
 1                          R. G. LYNCH
 2                   (Laughter.)
 3                   I wish this conference  success,  and
 4         on behalf of Governor Knowles  and of  our Board
 5         I pledge Wisconsin's full cooperation in
 6         carrying out the programs that I  hope will
 7         result from it.
 8                   Thank you.
 9                   (Applause.)
10                   MR. STEIN:  Thank you,  Mr.  Lynch.
11                   Now wfe will go to Illinois,  and  I
12         believe we will have the Health Office,  Dr.
13         Yoder.
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 t                       FRANKLIN  D.  YODER




 2



 3                   "A  PUBLIC HEALTH  PHYSICIAN



 4                    LOOKS AT  LAKE MICHIGAN"




 g                    FRANKLIN  D.  YODER,  M.D.




 .            DIRECTOR,  ILLINOIS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
 o




 7



 g                   DR. YODER:  Mr.  Chairman,  Mr.  Secretary,



 g         Mr. Poston,  conferees of the four-state  con-




10         ference,  ladies and  gentlemen.



n                   The title  of  my  presentation is  "A




12         Public Health Physician Looks  at Lake  Michigan."




13                   Physicians often tend to think  of




14         a patient in  terms of the  parts  or  systems



15         which comprise the bodily  processes.   Today I



16         want to discuss another concept  of  body  health,



17         not that  of a human  body,  but  the health of



18         the relatively young body  of fresh  water we



IQ         call Lake Michigan.




20                   This body  has many health similarities



21         to its human  counterpart.   Both  are living




22         things, composed of  organic and  inorganic



23         chemicals plus a variety of living  cells and
                                      t


24         attendant organisms, some  beneficial and some




25         pathogenic or capable of producing  disease.

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 1                      FRANKLIN D.  YODER
 2                  In the human body,  the  interdependence
 3        of bodily processes  and  organisms is  called
 4        physiology.  In water, this relationship be-
 5        tween organisms and  their  surroundings  is
 6        called ecology, a word from the Greek meaning
 7        house, plus the "ology," which  means  treatise
 8        or study of.  Thus ecology, as  we have  come
 9        to know it, has many facets,  all  pertinent
10        to this discussion of today's patient,  Lake
ll        Michigan,
12                  The comparison between  the  human body
13        and a body of water  can be carried a  step farther.
14        They both experience the aging  process  and both
15        are constantly attempting  to  regenerate their
16        deteriorating bodily func-tions  to maintain a
17        good state of health.
18                  Throughout these discussions  our
19        primary purpose should be  to  halt and reverse
20        an aging process that has  not only been in
21        progress for centuries but has  now reached a
22        point which threatens the- very  life of  the body
23        in which it exists.
24                  Geologically, the Great Lakes are
25        relatively newcomers when measured against the total

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 I                      FRANKLIN D.  YODER
 2         panorama  of  earth's  evolution.   We  are  told that
 3         these  great  bodies of water were formed between
 4         7,000  and 32,000  years ago.  Lake Erie  reached
 5         its  present  form  about 10,000 years ago.  Lake
 6         Michigan—and I don't believe anybody has yet
 7         emphasized that it is  the  only one  of the Great
 g         Lakes  lying entirely with  the boundaries of
 9         the  United States--reached its present  development
10         only two  or three thousand years ago.
n                   Contrary to  a  popular belief, man has
12         occupied  the Lake Michigan Basin for most of
13         the  lake's life.   For  centuries, man and possibly
14         nature have increasingly abused this body of
15         water.
16                   Thus,  while Lake Michigan is  still
17         young in a geological sense, healthwise  it is
18         old beyond its years.   When the human  body is
10         abused or misused, aging  is accelerated.  This
20         same  response occurs in a body  of  water and  the
21         processes of eutrophication result.
22                   Science has and is constantly studying
23         and applying new techniques  to  prevent,  protect
24         and lengthen human  life by slowing the effects
25         of aging.   It is not hard to  imagine the loud

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 1                       FRANKLIN  D.  YODER

 2          and  justifiable  criticisms which would be heard

 3          if it  became  known  the  medical profession had

 4          a technique for  accomplishing this  but was

 5          withholding it.

 6                   Yet while recognizing  there  is  a need

 7          for  new  and improved techniques  and methods,  for

 g          example,  in the  removal of nutrients and  sub-

 9          stances  contributing to the aging,  we  presently

10          have techniques  and methods to control many of

11          the  processes involved  but we are not  utilizing

12          them to protect the life  of our lake.

13                   Health is a principal  component in

14          the  progress  of  any society.  Translating its

15          significance  to  our "patient," we muse recognise

16          Lake Michigan is  vital  to  the proper social

17          functioning of every facet of our life, per-

18          sonal, community and industrial.

19                   We  can  classify  all except one  of

20          the  natural resources that are available  and

21          can  be utilized  to  build the  economy of this       j
                                                             |
22          Lake Michigan Basin in  a number  of  different

23          ways.  That one  all-important exception is
                                                             I
24          water.

25                   As a resource, water is a requirement

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 1                       FRANKLIN D. YODER
 2         that is so basic to our existence and economy
 3         that the use of all other resources are predi-
 4         cated upon a plentiful supply of satisfactory
 5         water.  In its absence, other resources become
 6         almost valueless.
 7                   The present is often said to reflect
 g         the past, and the reflected image of Lake
 9         Michigan is not one of which we can be proud.
10         The future will reflect the present or, more
11         importantly, what is done as a result of this
12         enforcement conference.
13                   If we consider ourselves community
14         physicians with Lake Michigan as our "patient,"
15         the prognosis is clear.
16                   We can prolong the useful life of
17         this comparatively young body of water or
18         hasten its death by further procrastination or
19         listening to economic reasons why the vital
20         functions of the patient should be allowed
21         to stop,
22                   Health and money are not interchange-
23         able commodities in the human body.  The same
24         axiom applies to the health of a body of water
25         vital to our existence.

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 l                       FRANKLIN D. YODER

 2                   There are two requisites for doing

          a great and important work.  You must have a

          definite plan and a specific time for accom-

          plishing it.  The time for Lake Michigan is

          already limited.  Superficial solutions will

 7         not suffice.

 8                   On the positive side, we have certain

          know-hows.  Patterns for administration can be

          resolved.  We can likewise, even  amidst

          competition for the use of Lake Michigan,

          pursue a sound economical and practical approach

13         to assuring that such a resource remains

14         suitable for our multi-purpose uses.

15                   With characteristic human near-

          sightedness, we often look at Lake Michigan

          as a "today commodity," whereas we must take

18         a farsighted look through the upper part of

19         our aquatic bifocals to consider what measures

20         will preserve this important asset.

21                   There is no cheap or painless way to

22         control or manage the quality of the waters

23         of Lake Michigan.  Many of its water quality

24         problems are already old.  It is our awareness

25         of them that is new, an awakening awareness

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   	180
 1                      FRANKLIN D. YODER
 2        of the need to assure water quality  satisfactory
 3        for domestic and industrial demand.
 4                  Therefore, let us resolve,  as  part  of
 5        the society which lives around Lake  Michigan,
 6        to take constructive action to save  the  life
 7        of this "patient," not only for  our  own  sakes,
 g        but for the sake of our entire Nation.
 9                  Thank you.
10                  (Applause.)
11                  MR. STEIN:  During  this conference,
12        and we have said this before, but this is  one
13        of the rare privileges of a conference,  we have
14        a meeting of the President's  Water Pollution
15        Control Advisory Board who are in attendance
16        at the conference, and I believe I saw some of
17        the members here.  Are they still here,  the
18        Board members?
19                  They may be scattered  around.  We
20        welcome the Advisory Board to these  confer^-
21        ences.
22                  We now have a statement of Attorney
23        General Frank Kelley of Michigan, which  will
24        be given to us by Assistant Attorney General
25        Nicholas V. Olds.

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 l                STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY
 2                  While you are coming up here, Russ
 3        Lynch said we should do something.  You know,
 4        I read the other day about some oldsters putting
 5        Goose aoslin and Kiki Cuyler in the Baseball
 6        Hall of Fame.  That kind of startled me, that
 7        "oldsters,"  because those were the fellows
 8        who were playing baseball when I was a youngster
 9        and you were writing about them.  So I guess
10        if we don't get this lake cleaned up and have
U        an action, program, maybe we will have someone
12        doing it for us.
13                  Mr. Olds has worked in water resources
14        and in the general field of the legal aspects
15        of water resources as long as any of us  and is
16        one of the distinguished legal experts in  this
17        field.
18                  Mr. Olds.
19          STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE PRANK J. KELLEY
20            ATTORNEY GENERAL,  STATE  OP MICHIGAN
21                        PRESENTED  BY
22       THE HONORABLE NICHOLAS V. OLDS, ASST.  ATTORNEY GENERAL
23                  MR. OLDS:   Thank you, Mr.  Stein.
24                  The paper presented here,  which I
25        shall present on  behalf  of Attorney General

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   	182
 1                 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2         KelLey, of course is addressed to Secretary Udall,
 3         because we were hoping that he would be here.
 4         Mr. Kelley regrets he can't be here today be-
 5         cause he is in Washington presiding over the
 6         meeting of the National Association of Attorney
 7         Generals as its president.
 g                   "As Attorney General of the State of
 9         Michigan, I am directed by law to enforce the
10         water pollution control statutes of the State
11         of Michigan,  according to the decisions of
12         our Supreme Court, the Attorney General of the
13         State of Michigan is vested with common law
14         powers to abate public nuisances, and this power
15         has been used at various times by the Attorney
16         General to eliminate water pollution situations
17         prior to the enactment of our present water
18         resources act in 1929.
19                   "Because of the importance of water
20         pollution law enforcement, I sponsored a con-
21         ference on this subject on November 2, 19^5, in
22         Lansing, Michigan.  A copy of the proceedings
23         of that conference is appended and it can be
24         observed that it was attended by State and local
25         officials, by private citizens and industry, and

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 1                STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY
 2        also by members of the Federal Water Pollution
 3        Control Administration."
 4                  And I believe, Mr. Stein, you were one of
 5        the notable persons that attended that conference.
 6                  (Which said document, entitled "Water
 7        Pollution Law Enforcement Conference," follows
 g        this statement:, commencing on.page 205.)
 9
          "CONSTITUTION AND WATER POLLUTION CONTROL LAWS
10
11                  "The people of this State, in adopting
U        a new Constitution in 1963,  spoke in no uncertain
13        terms on their determination to protect the waters
14        of our State from destruction and corruption,
15                  "Section 52 of Article IV of the Consti-
16        tutlon of 1963 states:"
17                  And this, I think, is a rather unusual
18        thing to occur in a State Constitution, and this
19        is what it says:
20                  "'The conservation and development
21             of the natural resources of the State
22             are hereby declared to  be of paramount
23             public concern in the interest of the
24             health,  safety and general welfare of
25             the people.   The legislature shall

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 1                STATEMENT OP FRANK J. KELLEY
 2             provide for the protection of the
 3             air, water and other natural re-
 4             sources of the State from pollution,
 5             impairment and destruction.'"
 6                  "It can be seen from this provision that
 7        the people imposed upon the  legislature  the solemn
 8        duty to  'provide for the protection of the * * *,
 9        water *  * * of the State from pollution,  impair-
10        ment and destruction.1  Responding to  this command
11        of  the people, the Michigan  legislature  of 19^5
12        amended  our basic water pollution control statute,
13        namely,  Act 245, P.A.  1929,  and  thereby  strength-
14        ened the arm  and power of  the Water Resources
15        Commission  to abate  and  control  pollution of  the
16        waters  of  the State.   Section  6 (a)  of  this  act
17        defines  what  constitutes  unlawful pollution in
18  [       the following language:
19              "*It  shall be unlawful for any person
20              directly or indirectly to discharge
21              into the waters of the State any sub-
22              stance which is or may become injurious
23              to the public health,  safety or welfare;
24              or Which is or may become injurious to
25              domestic, commercial,  industrial,

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                 STATEMENT  OP FRANK J.  KEL.LEY
 0            agricultural,  recreational  or  other
 4
 „            uses which  are being  or may be made
 o
              of such waters; or which  is or may
 _            become injurious  to the value  or
 .            utility of  riparian lands;  or  which
 D
 _            is or may become  injurious  to  live-
 0            stock, wild animals,  birds, fish,
 o
              aquatic life  or plants or the  growth
              or propagation thereof be prevented
              or injuriously affected;  or whereby
12            the value of  fish and game  is  or may
              be destroyed  or impaired.1"
                   This is  a very broad definition  in  our
15       State of what constitutes  unlawful  pollution.
16                 "in order to facilitate the control  and
17       banning of the discharge of raw  sewage, this  act
18       was amended by the  addition of Section  6(b),  which
19       provides:
20            "'The discharge of any raw  sewage  of
21            human origin,  directly or indirectly
22            into any of the waters of the  State
23            shall be considered prima facie evi-
24            dence of the violation of section
25            6(a) of this act  unless said discharge

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 1                 STATEMENT  OF FRANK J.  KELLEY
 2              shall have been permitted "by  an
 3              order, rule or regulation of  the
 4              commission.   Any  city, village  or
 5              township which permits, allows  or
 6              suffers the discharge  of  such raw
 7              sewage of human origin into any
 8              of the waters of  the State by any
 9              of its inhabitants or  persons
10              occupying lands from which said
ll              raw sewage originates, shall  be
12              subject only  to the remedies  pro-
13              vided for in  section 7 of this  act.1"
l*                   The purpose of this  section was to make
15         it a prlma facie act of unlawfulness to discharge
16         raw sewage into any of the waters of the State.
"                   "But, beyond this, the legislature of
18         1965 desired to make it more positive that the
19         Attorney General shouid have his time-honored
20         common law powers  to abate a public nuisance and
21         thus provided in Section 6(d)  as follows:
22              "'Any violation of any provision of
23              section 6 shall be prlma facie evi-
24              dence of the  existence of a public
25              nuisance and  in addition to the

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 j                 STATEMENT  OP  FRANK J.  KELLEY




 2              remedies  provided  for in  this  act



 3              may be  abated according to  law in




 .              an  action brought  by the  attorney




 _              general in a  court of competent




                jurisdiction.1"
 o


                     "indeed,  in recent days  the  Attorney




           General  has  made use  of this power  in  several
 O


 g         suits brought  against polluters  who could not




10         be  stopped in  their continuing acts of pollution




n         by  the Water Resources  Commission.   The 1965



12         amendment to this  act strengthened  the arm of




13         enforcement  by declaring in Section 10 that a




14         violator (municipalities excepted)  of  the pro-



15         visions  of Section 6  shall be  'guilty  of a mis-



16         demeanor and upon  conviction be  punished by a



17         fine  of  not  less than $500 and in  the  discretion



18         of  the court,  it may  impose an additional fine



19         of  not less  than $500 per day  for any  number  of




20         days  during  which  such  violation occurred.1



21                   "Such a  fine  was recently imposed upon




22         and collected  from a  large industry in our State.



23         But to make  certain that the polluter  would be



24         made  to  pay  damages for injuries to the natural




25         resources of the State,  the 19^5 amendment added

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 2         the following  sentence  to  Section  10:

 3              "'In  addition to the  minimum  fine

 4              herein  specified,  the attorney

 5              general,  at the  request  of  the

 6              department of conservation, is

 7              authorized to file a  suit in  any

                court of  competent jurisdiction

 9              to recover the full value of  the

10              injuries  done to the  natural  re-

                sources of the State  by  such  vio-

12              lation.1"

13                   "The Attorney General  of the  State of

14         Michigan has for many years filed  suits for the

15         collection of  damages caused  to  the fish and

           wildlife of  the State "by identified discharge

17         of pollutional substances  into various  waters

18         of the State.  The purpose of this language was

19         to reaffirm  and make  certain  the exercise of

20         this  authority.

21                MAGNITUDE  OF

22
23                    "This  conference deals primarily with

24          the  pollution situation and problem of Lake

25          Michigan.   Michigan touches four of the five

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 1                STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY
 2        Great Lakes.  She has more than 3,000 miles of
 3        Great Lakes shoreline.  The Lake Michigan shore-
 4        line extends from Menomlnee to the Straits of
 5        Macklnac In the Upper Peninsula, and from the
 6        Straits of Macklnac In the Lower Peninsula down
 7        to the southern boundary, a distance of 1,022
 8        miles.  It Is also Interesting to point out that
 9        the entire State of Michigan lies within the
10        Great Lakes Basin and consequently all of its
ll        rivers flow into one of the Great Lakes.  I
12        make this observation in order to point out the
13        tremendous responsibility which my State has in
14        preventing and controlling the pollution of the
15        Great Lakes and the tremendous task which this
16        entails.  But since the waters of the Great
17        Lakes are one of the richest assets which my
18        State has, it should not and will not shrink
19        from meeting its responsibility.
20           "MICHIGAN'S POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM
21                  "The water pollution control program
22        which the State of Michigan has pursued and will
23        continue to plan and enforce in the future will
24        be delineated to you in great detail by the
25        excellent staff of the Water Resources Commission

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 1                STATEMENT  OP FRANK  J.  KELLEY
 2        and  the Department of  Public Health.   I  believe
 3        you  will find from a review of the  record  that
 4        these  two public agencies have worked  indefa-
 5        tigably and diligently in performing this
 6        stupendous task.   Granting  that much more  needs
 7        to be  done, may I  assure you that this great
 g        State will not be  found wanting in  the performance
 9        of this task.
10
11              ^N j. AKJ MICHIGAN POLLUTION^ROBLEM
12                  "On November 3, 19&7, at the request
13        of the Honorable William G. Clark, Attorney
14        General of the State of Illinois, Attorney
15        General LaFollette of Wisconsin, Attorney General
16        Dillon of Indiana, and I met in the offices of
17        General Clark in Chicago for the purpose of
18        conferring about the Lake Michigan pollution
19        problem.  Inasmuch as the Attorneys General of
20        these States are ultimately responsible for the
21        enforcement of the water pollution control laws
22        of their respective States, it was believed
23        that they ought to agree upon a cooperative
24        program for the enforcement of such laws in
25        these States.  The result of that meeting was

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 1                 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY

 2         verbalized in a statement issued at that time,

 3         a copy of which is attached."

 4                   (A copy of the proceedings referred

 6         to follows this statement, commencing on page 360.

 6                   "You will observe,  Mr. Secretary, that

 7         the Attorneys General of each State agreed that

 8         they would secure from their  respective States

 9         a list of all polluters of Lake Michigan, that

lO         these lists would be exchanged so that each

H         Attorney General would know who were the pol-

12         luters that needed to be identified along the

13         entire shore of Lake Michigan for the purpose

14         of taking such steps as may be necessary, either

15         singly or in concert, against such identified

16         polluters.

17                   "inasmuch as this conference was called

18         by you shortly after this  meeting, the information

19         which I  would have received from our State

20         agencies  has been compiled for the purpose of

21         this  conference and will form the basis for

22         further  action to be taken not only by me,  but

23         by the Attorneys  General of the other three

24         States.   I  assure you that there will be further

25         Joint activities  by the four  Attorneys General

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 1                 STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY

 2         of these States, and that it is the intention  of
 3         all of us to prosecute vigorously all legitimate
 4         cases against polluters who refuse to comply
 5         with the water pollution laws of these States.

 6
 7
 g                   "in Michigan our two great universities,
 9         the University of Michigan and Michigan State
10         University, have for years been engaged in re-
11         search and scientific study of the waters of the
12         Great Lakes and their tributary streams.  The
13         University of Michigan has conducted a far-

14         flung and intensive research program on the
15         Great Lakes through its Great Lakes Research
16         Division, Institute of S-cience and Technology,
17         headed by Dr. David C. Chandler.  Just recently,
18         the Great Lakes Research Division of this Uni-
19         versity has published its Special Report No. 30
20         entitled 'Studies on the Environment and
21         Eutrophication of Lake Michigan.1  I am filing
22         a copy of this volume with you and your staff
23         and additional copies may be secured from Dr.
24         Chandler.  In fact, Dr. Chandler stands ready
25         to supply you with all the documents and papers

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 !                STATEMENT OP  FRANK J.  KELLEY

 2        they have  prepared from their  research work,and

 3        to  be  available  for consultation at all times."

 4                  I  am happy  to announce that Dr.  Chandler

 6        is  here  in person at  this  Conference.

 6                  MR.  STEIN:   Mr.  Olds,  do you want that

 7        document of  Dr.  Chandler's as  an exhibit?

 8                  MR.  OLDS:   Yes.   Here  it is.

 9                  MR.  STEIN:   That will  be designated as

10        an  exhibit and will be available at the Washington

n        office of  the  Department of Interior and the

12        Regional Office  in Chicago for inspection  during

13        business hours.

14                  (Which said document,  entitled "Studies
          on  the Environment and Eutrophl cation of Lake Michij-
15        gan,"  is marked  as Conference  Exhibit No.  1,  1/31/63,
          and is on  file at the Federal  Water Pollution Con-
16        trol Administration office in  Washington,  D.C.,
          with a copy  on file at the regional office of the
17        FWPCA  in Chicago,  Illinois.)

18                  MR.  OLDS:   Thank you,  Mr. Stein.

19                  "Also,  recently  on December 4, 1967,

20        Dr. Chandler as  Director of the  Great Lakes

21        Research Division of  the University of Michigan

22        presented  a  'Statement Before  The  Chicago  Field

23        Hearings by  Panels  on Basic Science and Environ-

24        mental Problems  of  the Commission  on Marine

25        Science, Engineering  and Resources'  dealing

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 2         with  'pressing problems of pollution  abatement



 3         and water resource management of the  Great Lakes.1



          Dr. Chandler's division has also prepared and



          supplied me with a document entitled  'Monitoring



          of Great Lakes Waters' in which he proposes a



          general program of monitoring this tremendously



          large body of fresh water so that determination



          could be made of what occurs from time  to time.



10         Copies of both of these documents are attached



          to this paper.n



12                   Copies of those are attached  to this



13         paper.



14                   MR. STEIN:  Those documents will be



15         entered into the record as if read.



                    (Copies of the documents referred to



          follow this statement, commencing on  page  361.)



18                   "A mere study of these publications



19         and documents would indicate the complexity of



20         the waters of the Great Lakes, how little is



21         known about their behavior and how much more



22         needs to be found out.  It would seem that if



23         we are going to approach intelligently  the



24         problem of controlling the pollution  of Lake



25         Michigan, the research program and activities

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 1                STATEMENT OF FRANK  J.  KELLEY
 2        of this division of the University  of  Michigan
 3        not only should be maintained  but,  in  fact,
 4        should be stepped up.  I am alarmed by informa-
 6        tion given me by Dr. Chandler  that  his research
 6        program is in danger of being  seriously reduced
 7        by the present threat of Federal  cutback of  funds.
 8        If this occurs, he will not be able to continue
 9        this program at the present level,  and he will
10        be required to reduce his staff and efforts.
11                  "At a time when we are  concerned and
12        alarmed about the pollution of Lake Michigan,
13        this would be highly unfortunate  and thus I
14        urge you to use your good offices to the  end
15        that the funds that are needed for  this  research
16        program will not be reduced but,  hopefully,
17        augmented.
18            " 2EIAT_LAKE^ Jf ATER_PO^UTJ^ON_LABORATORY
19                  "During fiscal 1964 the Congress of
20        the United States not only  authorized  but ap-
21        propriated funds for the construction  of  a
22        water pollution control laboratory  to  be  built
23        in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  According  to  information
24        I have received from Senator Philip  A. Hart, the
25        construction of this laboratory was  to begin

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                  STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY



          during the fall of 1964—in fact, the site had



          already been selected."



                    And I am informed that the site



          actually was donated by the University of



          Michigan.



                    "This much needed research facility,



          to be known as the  Midwest Federal Water Pol-



          lution Control Laboratory' was to do research



          for all the Great Lakes Region, with respect to



          the pollution wastes that were being discharged



          into the waters of the Great Lakes and what



13         should be done to render them either innocuous



          or at least less injurious.



15                   "The reason why Ann Arbor, Michigan^



          was selected for the site of this laboratory



          was so that the basic data collected by the



18         Great Lakes Research Institute of the University



19         of Michigan and other universities in the Great



20         Lakes Region could be utilized by the laboratory



2i         in its research program.  Scientific information



22         and data are of little value unless they are



23         converted into useful purposes.  It was hoped



24         that this facility would find the answers to



25         the many complex problems that confront us in

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 1                STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY



 2        our efforts to free the waters of the Great Lakes



 3        from the burden of pollution now carried by them.



 4                  "We hope, Mr. Secretary, that action



 5        will be taken immediately to begin the construc-



 6        tion of this most important research facility on



 7        the site which has already been selected at Ann



 8        Arbor, Michigan."



 9                  And I might say parenthetically here



10        that we are certainly heartened by the letter



11        read, received from Senator Hart, on this matter.



12                  "Research Program of Michigan State



13        University on Tributary Rivers.



14                  "Michigan State University has also



I5        engaged in research programs involving the waters



16        of the State of Michigan.  Inasmuch as the



M        University of Michigan developed and had been



18        carrying on an extensive research program on the



19        Great Lakes themselves, Michigan State University,



20        through its Institute of Water Research, devoted



21        its attention to the waters in the tributary


22
          streams systems.  It is these streams that re-


oo
          ceive a large share of the pollutants that find



24        their way into the Great Lakes and in this



25        instance into Lake Michigan.  I am including

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 1                STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KBLLBY
 2        herein a letter dated 24 January 1968 which I
 3        received from Milton E. Muelder, Vice President,
 4        explaining the nature and extent of this research
 5        conducted by Michigan State University.  I should
 6        like to direct your special attention to the para-
 7  I      graph in this letter referring to the demonstration
 8        project which when put into operation would feval-
 9        uate methods of removing the entire nutrient-rich
10        effluent of a disposal plant from the receiving
11        stream.  This or comparable types of waste handling
12        may become essential to all communities of the States
13        to prevent our wastes from reaching and adversely
14        affecting the Great Lakes.'"
15                  (A copy of the letter referred to follows
         this statement, commencing on page 339*)
16
                   1 believe this Conference will deal
17
         rather extensively with this problem of enrichment
18        ment of the waters of Lake Michigan.
19                  "As it is believed that one of the most
20        troublesome problems of Lake Michigan arises out
21        of the discharge of nutrients into its waters
22        causing growth of inordinate quantities of algae
23        and diatoms, then certainly this project of Michi-
24        gan State University ought to be supported to
25        the fullest extent.  Until an economic way is

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 l                 STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY
 2         found by which algae -producing nutrients are
 3         removed from sewage and other wastes containing
 4         them, it is  vain to hope that the waters of the
 5         Great Lakes  can be free from this pollutional
           burden.
 7                   "Vice President Muelder in his letter
 8         states that  'The material on all such research
 9         projects is  being gathered together in one area
           under the sponsorship of the Institute of Water
11         Research.   All this data and information would
12         be  made available to you and any public official
13         having a responsibility in this area
14                   "You may rest assured that the agencies
15         of  the State of Michigan charged with this re-
16         sponsibility shall work very closely with the
17         research experts of the University of Michigan
18         and of Michigan State University in an effort to
19         find the solutions that we so desperately need
20         at  this time .
21                        AJ^gI£g_gRQ BLEM-- ••
22             JO^T_SJ^TE_AND^EQER^L JRESPONS^B^ITY
23                    "in recent years and particularly
24          last  summer the Lake Michigan shoreline of the
25          State of Michigan was inundated with an explosive

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 1                  STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KBLLEY

 2          population of alewlvas.   These gathered upon

 3          the beaches of our State and of the other States

 4          on Lake Michigan and created a dirty, smelly,

 5          putrescent mess of dead  and rotting fish which

 $          endangered the health .and welfare of persons

 7          who owned property along this shore and the

 g          members of the general public who made use of

 9          private and public facilities.

10                    "it is estimated that the tourist

11          business of Michigan suffered a loss of at

12          least $50 million dollars last summer because

13          of this invasion.   I am  informed by officials

U          of the Conservation Department that this species

15          of fish found its  way into the Great Lakes via

16          the ocean being lifted up to the reaches of the
17          Great Lakes through the  locks and the canal

18          facilities  comprising the older and newer St.

19          Lawrence Seaway and the  connecting channels."

20                    Now,  I have also been informed that

21          these were  planted in the Pingerling Lakes in

22          New York and that  maybe  this is where they

23          originated.   In any event,  they are here and

24          the problem is  before us.

25                    "Consequently,  neither the State of

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 1                 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2         Michigan nor any person is responsible for their
 3         invasion and multiplicitous growth during recent
 4         years.
 5                   "However,  since they entered the waters
 6         of the  Great Lakes through navigational facili-
 7         ties  constructed by the Federal Government, it
 g         would seem that certainly there is here a
 9         Federal responsibility.  In a sense, this mass
10         of dead and putrescent fish along the shores
11         of Lake Michigan during the summer months con-
12         stitutes a pollution problem about which both
13         Federal and State Governments should be con-
14         cerned.
15                   "The Michigan Department of Conser-
16         vation  has evolved a program for cleaning up the
17         expected recurrence  of this problem during this
18         summer  which will cost approximately $827,000.
19         On January 16,  1968, I addressed a communication
20         to the  Honorable George Romney,  Governor of the
21         State of Michigan, recommending that there be
22         budgeted on behalf of the  State  of Michigan one-
23         half  of  this  sum as  its share of the funds that
24         will  be  needed  to pay for  the cleanup work which
25         will  be  necessary.   It seems  to  me that in view

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 1                  STATEMENT  OF FRANK J.  KELLEY
 2         of Federal  responsibility  the  United States
 3         ought  to fund  the  other  half of  the  total  bill.
 4         Attached is a  copy of my letter  to Governor
 5         Romney."
 6                    (A copy  of the communication  referred
 7         to follows this statement,  commencing on page  393.
 8                    "in  further explanation of this  program
 9         by the Michigan Department of  Conservation,  I  am
10         attaching hereto a clipping which appeared in
11         the Whitehall  Forum, White Laker, dated January 4,
12         1968."
13                    (A copy  of the clipping referred to
14         follows  on pages 395 to  399.)
15                    "Since you are concerned at this
16         hearing  with the protection of the health  and
17         welfare  of citizens of these four States sur-
18         rounding Lake  Michigan,  I  urge you most seriously
19         to allocate either  from  present  available  Federal
20         funds  or from  some  new appropriation, the  50
21         percent  Federal share needed to  clean up this
22         miasma which will  invade our shores  in  the
23         forthcoming summer  months.
24                        "GO^CLVSIONS
25                   "in  conclusion,  Mr. Secretary, may I

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 1                  STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2          say that I appreciate this opportunity to appear
 3          here at this  conference and to express the con-
 4          cern that we  have in Michigan over the condition
 5          of  the  waters of Lake Michigan.
 6                    "As I  have previously stated, my State
 7          has a large stake in maintaining the waters of
 g          this lake in  as  clean and pure a condition as
 9          can be  produced  by the science and ingenuity of
10          men.
11                    There  are many complex problems that
12          assail  us in  our task of achieving these results.
13          To  solve them will require the cooperation and
14          combined efforts of all sectors of our society,
15          the Federal Government, State and local units of
16          government and,  of course, the private citizen.
17          I believe that the people of Michigan are making
18          their desires known:  namely, that they expect
19          public  officials,  as  well as private citizens,
20          to  exert every effort to achieve the goal of
21          restoring and maintaining the waters of Lake
22          Michigan in as clean and pure and wholesome a
23          condition as  is  attainable.
24                    "May I assure you, sir,  that I shall
25          cooperate with you to the fullest and shall use

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 1                 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2         all  the  powers  of my office as provided by law
 3         towards  the  achievement of this most desirable
 4         goal."
 5                   Thank you.
 6                   MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Olds.
 7                   (Applause.)
 8                   MR. STEIN:  I don't know how you did
 9         it,  Nick.  Either you hypnotized them or you
10         put  them to  sleep,  but at least you got them
11         quiet.   I  hope  by the applause that you hypno-
12         tized them.
13
14                   (The  documents  and communications
15         referred to  in  the  statement of Attorney General
16         Frank J. Kelley are as follows:)
17
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20
21
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 dOMREIREINJ
 SPONSORED BY
• FRANK J.KELLEY,  ATTORNEY GENERAL
•DEPT OF RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT, M.S.U.
•WATER  RESOURCES  COMMISSION
 NOV2J965  CIVIC CENTER LANSING, MICH.

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                 PROCEEDINGS OF THE

                    CONFERENCE ON

           WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
                  November 2,  1965
             Terrace Room, Civic Center
                  Lansing, Michigan
                    Sponsored By:
Frank J. Kelley, Attorney General, State of Michigan
             Water Resources Commission
        Department of Resource Development  of
              Michigan State University

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                         TABLE OF CONTENTS

                                                               Page

INTRODUCTORY REMARKS 	   1
  Prank J. Kelley, Attornejr General

REVIEW OF MICHIGAN'S WATER POLLUTION LAWS
AND ADMINISTRATION	   4
  Nicholas V. Olds, Assistant Attorney General

THE ROLE OF THE LEGISIATURE IN ABATEMENT OF
WATER POLLUTION			   24
  Representative Joseph M. Snyder, Chairman
  House Committee on Conservation and Recreation

THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATURE IN ABATEMENT OF
WATER POLLUTION	_---	   31
  Senator Carl W. O'Brien, Chairman
  Senate Committee on Conservation

MUNICIPAL RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION
LAW ENFORCEMENT	   37
  Louis C. Andrews, Jr., Staff Attorney
  Michigan Municipal League

TOWNSHIP RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION
LAW ENFORCEMENT	   43
  Joseph A. Parlsi, Jr., Executive Director
  Michigan Townships Association

COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION
LAW ENFORCEMENT	49
  Chester C. Pierce, Attorney
  Office of Wayne County Drain Commissioner

ENFORCEMENT OF THE FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION
CONTROL PROGRAM •	   60
  Murray Stein, Chief Enforcement Officer
  Division of Water Supply and Pollution Control
  U. S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare

THE ROLE OF THE SCIENTIST IN ENFORCEMENT OF
WATER POLLUTION CONTROL LAWS	    74
  Dr. Leon W. Weinberger, Chief
  Basic and Applied Sciences Branch
  Division of Water Supply and Pollution Control
  U. S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare

THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY AND WATER POLLUTION
LAW ENFORCEMENT	_--_	__	     8l
  Thomas J. Powers
  The Dow Chemical Company

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THE RELATION OF WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
TO INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND DEVELOPMENT	87
  Ford T. Shepherd, Vice President
  The Mead Corporation

RELATION OF WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
TO INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND DEVELOPMENT	97
  John A. Moekle, Associate Counsel
  Office of General Counsel
  Ford Motor Company

SUMMARY REMARKS	T	10?
  Frank J. Kelley, Attorney General

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
  Morning -------------------------- -113

  Afternoon ------------------------- -117


PROGRAM-WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT CONFERENCE 	  1

ATTENDANCE REGISTRATION 	  iii

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                            PROGRAM

                         CONFERENCE ON

                WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT

                          Sponsored by

                ATTORNEY GENERAL FRANK J.  KELLEY

                   WATER RESOURCES COMMISSION

             DEPARTMENT OF RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT  OF
                   MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY

                        November 2, 1965
                   Terrace Room, Civic Center
                        Lansing, Michigan
 9:30   INTRODUCTORY REMARKS
        Frank J.  Kelley, Attorney General of the State of
        Michigan.

 9:^5   REVIEW OF MICHIGAN'S WATER POLLUTION LAWS AND
        ADMINISTRATION
        Nicholas V.  Olds, Assistant Attorney General

10:00   THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATURE IN ABATEMENT OF POLLUTION
        Rep. Joseph M. Snyder,  Chairman of House Committee on
        conservation, and sen.  Carl W. QJter>len,  Chairman of
        Senate Committee on Conservation.J

10:30   RECESS

10:45   MUNICIPAL RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION .LAW
        ENFORCEMENT
        Louis C.  Andrews, Jr.,  Staff Attorney, Michigan Municipal
        League.

11:00   TOWNSHIP RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION LAW
        ENFORCEMENT
        Joseph A. Paris!, Jr.,  Executive Director, Michigan
        Townships Association.

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11:15   COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES  IN WATER POLLUTION LAW
        ENFORCEMENT
        Chester C.  Pierce,  Attorney  for Office of Wayne County
        Drain commissioner.

11:30   THE ROLE OP THE FEDERAL  GOVERNMENT  IN WATER  POLLUTION
        CONTROL LAW ENFORCEMENT
        Murray Stein,  Chief,  Enforcement Branch, Division of
        Water Supply and Pollution Control,  Public Health
        Service, Department of Health,  Education and Welfare,
        Washington, D. C.

12:00   DISCUSSION

12,^30   LUNCH

 2:00   THE ROLE OF THE SCIENTIST IN ENFORCEMENT OF  WATER
        POLLUTION CONTROL LAWS
        Dr. Leon W. Weinberger,  Director of Research, Water
        Supply and Pollution control, U. S.  Department of
        Health, Education and Welfare,  Washington, D. C.

 2:30   RELATION OF WATER POLLUTION  LAW ENFORCEMENT  TO
        INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND DEVELOPMENT
        Thomas J. Powers,  Dow Chemical  Company, Ford T. Shepherd,
        Vice President, The Mead Corporation, and John A. Moekle,
        Associate Counsel,  Office of General Counsel, Ford Motor
        Company.

 3:45   DISCUSSION

 4:15   SUMMARY REMARKS
        Frank J. Kelley, Attorney General of the State of Michigan.

 4:30   ADJOURN
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            WATER POLLUTION LAW ENPUnOEMENT CONFERENCE

                         November 2,  1965

                      Attendance Registration
Wayne H. Abbott, Jr.
City of Ann Arbor
City Hall
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Milton P. Adams
1314 Weber Drive
Lansing, Michigan   48912

James E. Akers
Monroe County Health Dept.
456 Borgess
Monroe, Michigan

Frederick E. Althaus, Jr.
Assistant City Attorney
City of Grand Rapids
328 Jefferson Avenue
Lowell, Michigan

Louis C. Andrews, Jr.
Staff Attorney
Michigan Municipal League
205 S. State Street
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Oliver S. Angell
DeWltt Township
Route # 4, Box 414
Lansing, Michigan

Walter E. Ash
Kalamazoo County Health Dept.
241 W. South Street
Kalamazoo, Michigan

Fred W. Baker
Shlawassee County Drain Comm'r.
Court House
Corunna, Michigan

A, R. Balden
Chrysler Corporation
P. 0. Box 1118
Detroit, Michigan
L. F. Baldwin
Water Resources Commission
725 Water Street
Eaton Rapids, Michigan

B. Dale Ball, Director
Michigan Dept. of Agriculture
Lewis Cass Building
Lansing, Michigan   48913

George J. Barrett
Wayne County Health Department
Dearborn, Michigan

Melvin S. Bauman
Twin Cities Sanitarian
St. Joseph-Benton Harbor City
  Halls
St. Joseph, Michigan

Curtis G. Beck
Water Resources Commission
Attorney General's Office
554 Hollister Building
Lansing, Michigan

Richard Beelman
Bay County Health Department
610 Frost Drive
Bay City, Michigan

Bud Bender
Drew Chemical Corporation
2421 W. Main Street
Kalaraazoo, Michigan

Lewis D. Benson
City of Owosso
203 Owosso Savings Bank Bldg.
Owosso, Michigan

Wallace J. Benzie
Genesee County Drain Commissioner
919 Beach Street, Room 203
Flint, Michigan
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Julius L. Berns
City 'Attorney
City of Qrosse Pointe Woods
957 Vernier Road
Qrosse Pointe Woods, Michigan

P. W. Best
Hercules Powder Company
HarToor Beach, Michigan

Norman Billings
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

Carl J. Blabaum
Wisconsin State Committee on
  Water Pollution
453 State Office Building
Madison, Wisconsin   53702

Art Boblan
Manistee-Mason District Health
  Department
Manistee, Michigan

Howard I. Bond
Walled Lake, Novi, Beverly Hills
  and Bloomfield Township
2055 Orchard Lake Road
Pontiae, Michigan

Frank Bouraa
Kent County Drain Commissioner
1500 Schribner
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Ruth Bowen
League of Women Voters
613 Moores River Drive
Lansing, Michigan

Oscar B. Boyer
Oakland County Health Dept,
1200 N. Telegraph Road
Pontiac, Michigan

Lee E. Bracey
Montcalm County Drain Coram,
Stanton, Michigan
E. N. Brandt
Dow Chemical Company
4309 Castle Drive
Midland, Michigan

Glen Breakie
Village of Rochester
125 N. Alice Street
Rochester, Michigan

Robert A. Briggs
Detroit Edison Company
2000 Second Avenue
Detroit9 Michigan

Luther L. ±srodbeck
City of Alma
714 Second Avenue
Alma, Michigan

Dale W. Brooks
Flint Health Department
121 E. Seventh Street
Flint, Michigan

James B. Brown
Ingham County Prosecutor's
  Office
116 W.1 Ottawa Street
Lansing, Michigan

Robert L. Bryan
Huron-Clinton Metropolitan
  Authority
1750 Guardian Building
Detroit, Michigan   48226

P. R, Bumaman
Scott Paper Company
328 Haverford Place
Swarthmore, Pennsylvania

W, R. cady
Allied Chemical Corporation
Solvay Process Division
7501 W.  Jefferson
Detroit, Michigan

Robert D. Caine
Sutherland Paper Company
4186 E.  Gull Lake Drive
P. 0. Box 174,
Hickory  Corners, Michigan
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Joseph S. Campbell, Jr.
City Engineer
17700 Port Street
Rlverview, Michigan

Andre Caron
National Council for Stream
  Improvement
Kalamazoo College
Kalamazoo, Michigan

L. B. Chamberlain
Midland City-County Health Dept.
36 Pine Street
Sanford, Michigan

Dale Chapman
Clinton County Drain Corom'r.
Court House
St. Johns, Michigan

John Chascsa
Lake Erie Clean Up Committee
7281 Center Street
Newport, Michigan

R. Burr Cochran
City Attorney
Whitehall, Michigan

Richard Cogswell
City of Whitehall
Whitehall, Michigan

Grover W. Cook
Dept. of HEW
433 W. Van Buren Street
Chicago, Illinois

Gerald P. Cooper
Research and Development Section
Mich. Department of Conservation
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926

Mason Copitani
City of Warren
Municipal Building
Warren, Michigan

Nez Cote
2 Duffy Street
Manlstee, Michigan
Robert Courchaine
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

F. L. Coventry
Citv of Flint
1708 Forest Hill
Flint, Michigan

Jake Craaybeek
City of Adrian
464 Stockford Drive
Adrian, Michigan

Russell D. Craun
City of Warren
27937 Jean Street
Warren, Michigan

Almond B. Cressman
Clinton County Board of
  Supervisors
Route # 4
St. Johns, Michigan

Charles D. Cronenworth
Diamond Crystal Salt Company
961 N. Riverside
St. Clair, Michigan
James J. Culbert
City of Dowagiac
107 S. Mill Street
Dowagiac, Michigan
49047
Merlin E. Damon
Macomb County Health Dept.
43525 Elizabeth Road
Mt. Clemens, Michigan

William Daniels
Consolidated Packaging Corp.
921 E. Elm Avenue
Monroe, Michigan

A. T. David
Elba Township Planning Comm.
1390 Pratt Drive
Lapeer, Michigan

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William R. Day
Wyandotte Chemicals
1609 Biddle
Wyandotte, Michigan

Anthony W. DeBlaise
Dept. of Public Works and
  Utilities
City Hall
Flint, Michigan

Prank J. DeDecker
Spalding, DeDecker & Assoc.,  Inc.
1405 S. Woodward Avenue
Birmingham, Michigan

Huntley DeLano
Municipal Waste Treatment Plant
943 Ballard, S. E.
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Robert J. Dencer
Bay County Board of Public Works
812 County Building
Bay City, Michigan

John P. Deppen
City of Howell
City Hall
Howell, Michigan

Joseph G. DIFranusco
City Attorney's Office
2810 State Street
Saginaw, Michigan

George Dlesk
Packaging Corp. of America
Filer City, Michigan

Bruce F. Doolittle
Watervliet Paper Co.
Watervliet, Michigan

George S. Douglas
The Mead Corporation
709 Fifth Avenue, So.
Escanaba, Michigan

Gordon A. Dressel
Lake Shore High School
23118 Joy Avenue
St. Clair Shores, Michigan
Roy E. Dunn
State Capitol
St. Paul, Minnesota

Archie E. Durkee
Flint City Health Department
121 E. Seventh Street
Flint, Michigan   48502

Victor Eckhardt
Barry County Drain Comm.
Route # 3
Lake Odessa, Michigan

Gerald E. Eddy, Chief
Geological Survey Section
Department of Conservation
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926

Hugh B. Eldrea
Monitor Sugar Division
Robert Gage Coal Company
2600 S. Euclid
Bay City, Michigan

Claud R. Erickson
Governor's Task Force on Water
  Rights, Use & Pollution Control
P. 0. Box 570
Lansing, Michigan

Harvey Eustrom
Consulting Engineer
10523 East M-78
Haslett, Michigan

F. C. Ewbank
M. M. P. A.
Imlay City, Michigan

Marvin B. Fast
U. S. Public Health Service
Room 2101, TsT. Building
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Carlos M. Fet^erolf, Jr.
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

John Fleming
Public Health Administrator
Van Buren County Health Dept.
Paw Paw, Michigan
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David Flotow
Consolidated Packaging Corp.
Monroe, Michigan

C. Edward Fuess, Supt.
Wastewater Treatment Plant
City of Sturgls
Route # 2
Sturgis, Michigan

E. Puller
Great Lakes Steel Corporation
Ecorse
Detroit, Michigan   48229

Ralph A. Garno, Supt.
Wastewater Treatment
602 East Main Street
Niles, Michigan

Douglas Garry
Manlstee Water Department
121 Sibben Street
Manlstee, Michigan

Perry Geeck
Isabella County Drain Comm.
Route # 1
Coleman, Michigan

Patricia S. Gllgallon
League of Women Voters
24407 Tamarack Circle
Southfield, Michigan

Mark Glendennlng
Morgan McCool, Inc.
505 N. Cedar Street
Traverse City, Michigan

Colonel Leonard J. Goodsell
Great Lakes Commission
5104 I8T Building
North Campus
Ann Arbor, Michigan   48105

Gerald GX>shorn
Village of Flat Rock
26643 W. Huron River Drive
Flat Rock, Michigan   48134
©ale W. Granger
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

R. M. Granura
Abltibi Corporation
Route # 1
Osslneke, Michigan

Jack I. Green
Associated Petroleum Industries
  of Michigan
     W. Ottawa Street
Lansing, Michigan

Michael A. Groen
City of Dearborn
7446 Ternes Avenue
Dearborn, Michigan

Rollen A. Gross
Isabella County Drain Comm'r.
Route # 1
Coleman, Michigan

Sidney M. Gunther
Gunther and Choka
72 W. Adams Street
Chicago, Illinois   60603

Richard Hammerstein
Nelson Chemicals
12345 Schaefer Highway
Detroit, Michigan

Edwin N. Hannula
Lenawee County Health Dept.
113 W. Front Street
Adrian, Michigan

Paul A. Harlamert
Jones, Henry & Williams
2000 West Central Avenue
Toledo, Ohio   43606

Howard W. Harlow
Dow Chemical Company
P. 0. Box 510
Bay City, Michigan   48609
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J. B. Hatton
Grand Haven,
Michigan

Robert Haw
Department of Public Works
City Hall
Flint, Michigan

Homer J. Hayward
Ayres, Lewis, Norrls & May
300 Mark Hannah Place
Ann Arbor, Michigan   48103

John Hennessey
City of Pontlac
155 N. Opdyke Road
Pontlac, Michigan

Raymond W. Henschel
American Can Company
2733 Fourteenth Avenue
Menominee, Michigan

Mrs. Herbert Heuman
League of Women Voters
1601 Badgley Road
Jackson, Michigan   49203

Walter H. Hess
King Seeley Thermos Company
315 S. First Street
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Harold C. Hickman
George Jerome & Co.
1437 First National Bldg.
Detroit, Michigan

Russell G. Hill
Dept. of Resource Development
Michigan State University
Unit E - Wells Hall
East Lansing, Michigan

Robert A. Hockstad
Elk Rapids Packing Company
304 Pine Street
Elk Rapids, Michigan

Paul Hoelderle
Fine Paper Division
Weyerhaeuser Company
712 Darby Lane
Kalamazoo, Michigan
Ernest Hoffman
Barry County
Route # 3
Hastings, Michigan

Donald L. Holley
John R. Snell Engineers,
221 N. Cedar Street
Lansing, Michigan
Inc.
Frank F. Hooper
Institute for Fisheries Research
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Kenneth J. Horton
Michigan Audubon Society
Jackson Audubon Club
1002 S. Jackson Street
Jackson, Michigan

H. J. Hotz, Sr.
S. D. Warren Company
2400 Lakeshore Drive
Muskegon, Michigan

F. E. Howe, President
Federation of Lakefront
  Associations
22464 Lakecrest
St. Clair Shores, Michigan

George E. Hubbell
Hubbell, Roth 8s Clark, Inc.
2709 Telegraph Road
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan

John F. Hunter
Wyandotte Chemicals Corp.
47781 North Shore Drive
Belleville, Michigan

F. Neil Jackson
City of Owosso
1400 Buckley
Owosso, Michigan
Kenneth G. Jackson
Great Lakes Steel Corp.
2900 Grant Building
Pitt sburgh, Pennsylvania
  15219
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Mel Jansen
City of St. Clalr Shores
24705 Harmon
St. Clair Shores, Michigan

Mrs. Gale E. Jensen
League of Women Voters
3045 Lakewood Drive
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Edwin L. Johnson
Benton Harbor-St. Joseph Joint
  Sewage Disposal Plant
P. 0. Box 206
St. Joseph, Michigan   49085

Ronald C. Johnson
Water Resources Commission
3407 W. Mt. Hope
Lansing, Michigan

David K. Jones
2024 E. Centre Avenue
Portage, Michigan

Archie K. Joyce
Wastewater Treatment Division
City of Saginaw
2322 Whitemore Place
Saginaw, Michigan
David B. Kahn
City of Detroit
15812 Kentucky
Detroit, Michigan   48238

Joseph M. Karmann
Izaak Walton League
9563 Ford Road
Ypsllanti, Michigan

Ide Keeler
School of Public Health
University of Michigan
P. 0. Box 134
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Hon. Frank J. Kelley
Michigan Attorney General
The Capitol
Lansing, Michigan
        Harold A.  Kelley
        Jones, Henry and Williams
        2000 W. Central Avenue
        UJoledo, Ohio   43606

        James A. Kelly
        Dow Chemical Company
        2914 Braley Court
        Midland, Michigan

        Lawrence M. Kelly
        Dickinson, Wright, McKean &
          Cudlip
        800 First National Building
        Detroit, Michigan

        John E. Kinney
        Consulting Sanitary Engineer
        1910 Cambridge Road
        Ann Arbor, Michigan

        Guy E. Klstler
        Lakes Area Conservation Club
        1024 Wheaton Avenue
        Kalamazoo, Michigan

        Mary Klein
        University of Michigan
        309 Maple Ridge
        Ann Arbor, Michigan

        Walter H.  Koepp
        Michigan Technological Univ.
        207 East Street
        Houghton, Michigan

        Howard H.  Kramer
        Eaton County Board of
          Supervisors
        City Hall
        Charlotte, Michigan

        Lou Kramer
        Hubbard Lake Sportsmen
          Improvement Association
        Hubbard Lake, Michigan
Peter Kuhj Qhie? Enforcement Officer
  State & Interstate Pollution Problems
Enforcement Branch
Dlv. of Water Supply & Pollution Control
Public Health Service
Dept. of Health, Ed. & Welfare
633 Indiana, N. W.
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James A. Kurtz, Chief Sanitarian
Eaton County Health Department
319 E. Lawrence Street
Charlotte, Michigan

Roland Labudy
Silver Mill Frozen Food
Eau Claire, Michigan

P. E. Landbaek
Detroit Edison Company
16189 Oakfield
Detroit, Michigan   48235

V. W. Langworthy
Water & Sewage Works Magazine
P. 0. Box 1315
Lansing, Michigan

Paul F. Leavitt
Gerber Products Company
450 State Street
Fremont, Michigan

Roger W. Lewis
Muskegon County Health Dept.
Environmental Health Division
1890 Crestwood Lane
Muskegon, Michigan   49441

George F. Liddle
Water Resources Commission
1607 Sixth Street
Muskegon, Michigan

Stanley Llevense
Fish Section
Department of Conservation
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926

Fred Lind
rzaak Walton League
3115 N. Prospect Road
Ypsllanti, Michigan

LeRoy J. Linn, Supt.
Wastewater Treatment Plant
City of Hillsdale
43 State Street
Hillsdale, Michigan
Gene Little
Michigan Chamber of Commerce
215 S. Washington Avenue
Lansing, Michigan

Orlin K. Loen
City of Kalamazoo
241 W  South Street
Kalaiuaaoo, Michigan

Robert P. Logan
Scott Paper Company
9125 W. Jefferson
Detroit, Michigan

Ralph L. Lowe
Water Resources Commission
City of St. Clalr Shores
20631 Elizabeth
St  Clair Shores, Michigan

Arthur Maass
City of Midland
City Hall
Midland, Michigan

Ian M. MacDonald
City of Trenton
136 St. Joseph
Trenton, Michigan

James MacDonald
Midland Wastewater
601 Fitzhugh
Midland, Michigan

Fred Mammel
City of Ann Arbor
City Hall
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Peter Marshall
City of Brighton
City Hall
Brighton, Michigan

Larry Martin
Waste Treatment Plant
Board of Public Works
213 Howard Avenue
Holland, Michigan

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John Max
City of Ypsllanti
1105 W. Cross Street
Ypsllanti, Michigan

George McBrlde
Infllco Division
G. A. T. C.
22528 Ford Road
Dearborn, Michigan

James H. McDermott
Assistant Attorney General
State Capitol
Madison, Wisconsin

Harry E. McEntee
City of Mt. Clemens
1750 Clara Avenue
Mt. Clemens, Michigan

Kenneth A. McGeorge
Macomb County Drain Comm.
39 Lodewyck
Mt. Clemens, Michigan
       Me Parti in
School of Public Health
University of Michigan
512 Packard Street
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Kenneth N. Mendenhall
City of Beldlng
City Hall
Beldlng, Michigan

Clarence J. Messner
1572 Jones
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Glair W. Miller
Livingston County Drain Comm.
7841 Munsell Road
Howell, Michigan

John A. Moekle
Associate Counsel
Office of General Counsel
Ford Motor Company
The American Road
Dearborn, Michigan
Thomas Moore
Gratlot County Drain Comm'r.
Bannister, Michigan

David Morris
City Attorney
City Hall
Kalamazoo, Michigan

Frank Moulton, Director
M. U. C. C.
Freeland, Michigan

De\rere C. Murray
fielnt Township
2091 Jefferson Street
Holt, Michigan

James V. Murray
Mich. State Highway Dept.
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926

Stew Myers
M. U. C. C.
106 Ivanhoe, N. E.
Grand Rapids, Michigan

R. J. Nacy
Manufacturing Engineering Office
Chrysler Corporation
P. 0. Box 1859
Detroit, Michigan

Jerry Nadolney
Prosecuting Attorney
Gogebic County
Bessemer, Michigan

Joseph E. Neipling
City of Pontlac
450 Wide Track Dr., East
Pontlac, Michigan

Mrs. Charles Neubrecht
League of Women Voters
9091 Esper
Detroit, Michigan   48204

Mrs. Grace Newbold
Federation of Women's Clubs
210 N. Lake Street
Harrison, Michigan
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Lester H. Newbold, Vice-Pres,
M. U. C. C.
210 N, Lake Street
Harrison, Michigan

Michael E. Newton
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

Lester R. Nichols, II
Dept. of Economic Expansion
Lewis Gass Building
Lansing, Michigan

A. E. Nickless
City of Frankenmuth
234 Trinklein
Frankenmuth, Michigan

Donald M. Oakes
2518 Foster, N. E.
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Hon. Carl W. O'Brien
State Senate
The Capitol
Lansing, Michigan

Roger P. O'Connor
Corporation Counsel
City of Detroit
1010 City-County Building
Detroit, Michigan

Lorlng F. Oeming
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

Guy V. Oldfield
School o* Public Health
University of Michigan
1115 Herman Place
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Nicholas V. Olds
Assistant Attorney General
554 Hollister Building
Lansing, Michigan

L. O'Leary
U. S. Public Health Service
Grosse lie, Michigan
Ann Oliver
League of Women Voters
927 S. Washington Avenue
Lansing, Michigan   48910

Thomas Osmer
Elba Township Planning Comm.
539 Golf Road
Lapeer, Michigan

Joseph A. Parisi, Jr.
Michigan Townships Association
712 S. Holmes Street
Lansing, Michigan   48912

J. G. Parnell
Board of Public Works
602 E. Main Street
Niles, Michigan

Laurence H. Pate
Pate, Him & Bogue, Inc.
726 Michigan Building
Detroit, Michigan   48226

S. M. Paterson
Citizens Research Council
204 Bauch Building
Lansing, Michigan

Stanley B. Patterson
Wayne County Drain Comm.
19481 Patton
Detroit, Michigan   48219

Robert A. Payne
Eau Claire Packing Company
Eau Claire, Michigan

0. K. Petersen
Consumers Power Company
212 W. Michigan Avenue
Jackson, Michigan   49201

Ralph W. Petrie
557 Paw Paw
Benton Harbor, Michigan

Chester C. Pierce
Attorney at Law
3523 Cadillac Tower
Detroit, Michigan
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Frank  Plpp
Detroit Water Department
'735ifiandolph Street
Detroit, Michigan   48226

Wayne  D. Potter
Consumers Power Company
739 Briarcllff Road
Jackson, Michigan

Don E. Powell
Mobil  Oil Company
2390 Vernon
Trenton, Michigan

Thomas J. Powers
Dow Chemical Company
4205 Arlington Street
Midland, Michigan

Joseph W. Brice
Washtenaw County Health Dept.
Washtenaw County Building
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Ralph  W. Purdy
Water  Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

S.  R.  Quackenbush
Mich.  Dept. of Agriculture
Lewis  Cass Building
Lansing, Michigan

Lawrence L. Quill
Institute of Water Research
Michigan State University
East Lansing, Michigan   48823

Raleigh R. Raubold
City of Gibraltar
136 St. Joseph
Trenton, Michigan

Francis D. Rawlinson
City of Sturgis
Administrative Building
Sturgis, Michigan

A.  C.  Reed
Midland County Drain Comm'r.
Court  House
Midland, Michigan
John B. Reynolds
District Health Dept. # 3
County Building
Charlevoix, Michigan

Robert J. Riemersma
Board of Public Works
City of Holland
385 Falrhill Court
Holland, Michigan

Gerald Rlggs
Hillsdale County Drain Comm.
Hillsdale County Court House
Hillsdale, Michigan

John A. Roberts
St. Clair Shores City Council
22560 Manor Drive
St. Clair Shores, Michigan

Richard D. Rohr
Abitlbi Corporation
1400 Buhl Building
Detroit, Michigan

Leo H. Rothe
Shlawassee County Health Dept,
Court House
         Michigan
James Rouman
M. U. C. C.
P. 0. Box 2235
Lansing, Michigan
48911
Philip E. Rowston
City Attorney
City of Pontiac
64 Spokane Drive, Apt.
Pontiac, Michigan
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Howard K. Roxborough
Allied Paper Corporation
1608 Lake Street
Kalamazoo, Michigan

John G. Rulison
Geological Survey Section
Department of Conservation
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926
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Douglas Sanback
Oil and Gas Office
204 Court Street
Mt. Pleasant, Michigan

Stanley D. Sattler, Sanitarian
Eaton County Health Department
314 W. Harris
Charlotte, Michigan

Sydney C. Schachtmeister
Berrien County Health Dept.
P. 0. Box 365
St. Joseph, Michigan

Richard S. Schmitz
Power Train Group Staff
Chrysler Corporation
P. 0. Box 2888
Detroit, Michigan   48231

Susan E. Schuur
League of Women Voters
3100 Holiday Drive
Lansing, Michigan

J. R. Sebastian, Jr.
Amway Corporation
400 Michigan Trust Building
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Carl Sexton
SM'a'wassee County Zoning Adminis.
Court House
Corunna, Michigan

A. M. Shannon
City of Detroit
Department of Water Supply
735 Randolph
Detroit, Michigan   48226

J. Wesley Shaw
Marathon Oil Company
15911 Wyoming
Detroit, Michigan  48238

Ford T. Shepherd, Vlce-Pres.
The Mead Corporation
501 Fleming Building
800 Seventeenth St., N. W.
Washington 6, D. C.
John M. Sherbeck
City of Bay City
Wastewater Works
City Hall
Bay City, Michigan

Philip V. Shirley
Ingham County Health Dept.
119 W. Washtenaw
Lansing, Michigan

Michael Slmkins
Central Mich. District Health Dept
107 N. Adams
Mt. Pleasant, Michigan

George R. Sims
Saginaw Steering Gear Division
General Motors Corporation
64 Davis Drive
Saginaw, Michigan

Roger A. Slykhouse
Weeber'and Slykhouse
2221 W. Leonard
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Raymond Smit
Ayres, Lewis, Norrls and May
500 Wolverine Building
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Mrs. C. B. Smith
League of Women Voters
314 S. Circle Drive
Williamston, Michigan

James W. Smith
Kalamazoo County Prosecuting
  Attorney's Office
227 W. Michigan Avenue
Kalamazoo, Michigan

Sherman Smith
Isabella County Drain Comm.
Rlverdale, Michigan

William W. Smith
City of Bay City
Water Department
City Hall
Bay City, Michigan   48706
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Russell T. Snow
Macomb County Drain Office
115 Groesbeck Highway
Mt. Clemens, Michigan

Hon. Joseph M. Snyder
House of Representatives
The Capitol
Lansing, Michigan

Joseph M. Snyder, II
County Drain Commission
115 Groesbeck
Mt. Clemens, Michigan

Werner Sommel
City of Adrian
1654 Valley Road
Adrian, Michigan

Paul T. Spelman
City of Wyoming
2131 Greenview, S. W.
Wyoming, Michigan

Murray Stein, Chief
Enforcement Bj?*nch
Division of Water Supply and
  Pollution Control
Public Health Service
Dept. of Health, Ed. & Welfare
633 Indiana, N. W.
Washington, D. C.

Perd H. Stevens
Barry County Drain Comm'r.
Route # 3
Bellevue, Michigan

Claude A. Stewart
County Drain Commission
Court House
Lapeer, Michigan

William F. Stoeker
General Chemical Division
Allied Chemical Corporation
P. 0. Box 70
Morristown, New Jersey

William Stonebrook
City of Wyoming
1130  40th, S. W.
Wyoming, Michigan
Robert C. Straube
Department of Conservation
701 North Road
Penton, Michigan

Roman Suess
Menasha Corporation
121 Court Street
Plainwell, Michigan

Freeland Sugden
County Drain Commissioner
Court House
Caro, Michigan

Darrel G. Suhre
Water Department
City of Detroit
735 Randolph Street
Detroit, Michigan   48226

Raymond F. Swift
Ingham County Health Dept.
Court House
Mason, Michigan

G. N. Tiberlo
Plant Engineering Section
General Motors Corporation
5-134 G M Building
Detroit, Michigan   48202

Orcelia Wallin Torson
2265 Wilshire, S. E.
Grand Rapids, Michigan   49506

Roy E. Trim
City of Whitehall
405 E. Colby Street
Whitehall, Michigan

F. E. Tucker
National Steel Corporation
Welrton, West Virginia

Robert L. Turner
Geography Department
Wayne State University
3024 MaraiS
Royal Oak, Michigan

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Grey J. Turney
Ingham County Health Dept.
119 W. Washtenaw
Lansing, Michigan

W. G. Turney
Water Resources Commission
200 Mill Street
Lansing, Michigan

Herbert Van Aken
Governor's Task Force on Water
Route # 3
Eaton Rapids, Michigan

Jack Van Coeverlng
6150 Commerce Road
Orchard Lake, Michigan   48034

T. L. Vander Velde
Mich. Dept. of Health
3500 N. Logan Stfeet
Lansing, Michigan

Harry L. Vanderwerp
Peerless Cement Company
1144 Free Press Building
Detroit, Michigan

George J. Van Dorp
Finkbeiner, Pattis & Strout
2130 Madison Avenue
Toledo, Ohio

W. Van Vuren
H. J. Heinz Company
275 W. 24th Street
Holland, Michigan

H. S. Vaughan
Hillsdale County Supervisor
Hillsdale, Michigan

Mrs. C. L. Vinge
League of Women Voters
4115 Hulett Road
Okemos, Michigan

Henry D. Visschers
Elba Township Planning Comm.
3931 S. Shore Drive
Lapeer, Michigan
John N. Vlachos
City Attorney
City of Portage
207 Park Building
Kalaroazoo, Michigan

John E. Vog-c
Michigan Dept. or Health
Division of Engineering
3500 N. Logan Street
Lansing, Michigan

D. L. Voigts
Packaging Corp.. of America
Filer City, Michigan

Eugene G. Wanger
City Attorney
City of Lansing
City Hall
Lansing, Michigan

Victor^ L. Warner
Branch-Hillsdale District
  Health Department
35 S. Sprague Street
Coldwater, Michigan   49036

Norman G. Watson
Diamond Crystal Salt Co.
1050 Indiana
Marysville, Michigan

Hugh'D. Wear
Dept. of Municipal Utilities
City of Dowagiac
Dowagiac, Michigan

Fred D. Weaver
Kalamazoo County Health Dept.
241 W. South Street
Kalamazoo, Michigan

James R. Webb
School of Public Health
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan

Dr. Leon W. Weinberger
Director of Research
Water Supply & Pollution Control
Dept. of Health, Ed. & Welfare
Washington, D. C.
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Wallace E. Weiss
City of Frankenmuth
224 Parker Street
Frankenmuth, Michigan

Tom Welsh
County Drain Commission
115 Groesbeck
Mt. Clemens, Michigan

Louis A, Welt
Detroit Testing Laboratory
554 Bagley
Detroit, Michigan   48226

Dr. Casey E. Westell, Jr.
Packaging Corp. of America
555 Cherry Road
Manistee, Michigan

Mrs. George E. White
League of Women Voters
2124 Spring Arbor Road
Jackson, Michigan

Arnold B. Whitney
City of Lapeer
576 Liberty Street
Lapeer, Michigan

Cranston V/ilcox
Branch-!!'. Msdale !> UU.r1.ct
  Health Department
35 S. Sprague
Coldwater, Michigan   49036

Robert C. . ,'iJ.liamson
Great Lakes i'teel Corp.
1796 Churchill Avenue
Trenton, Michigan

J. Mllo Wilson
Mariistee-Maaon Dle^r'o;;
  He? 1th Department
401 E. LudLi^tor. Avenue
Ludington, M4.ch!pan

Georr-e }•'., Win;*
Ilacomh Go'Tit;' Praln Comm.
115 Groesbeck
Mt.  C. I omen ? , M i. ci i"' -' n
Wade D. Withey
City of Flint
City Hall
Flint, Michigan

Arthur 0. Wolin
Izaak Walton League
5846 Kenllworth
Dearborn, Michigan

L. D. Working
City of Port Huron
928 Tenth Avenue
Port Huron, Michigan

Carl D. Wright
Consoer, Townsend and Assoc.
560 E. Grand Avenue
Chicago, Illinois

George F. Wyllle
City of Lansing
7th Floor, City Hall
Lansing, Michigan   48907

John H. Yoe
City of St. Clalr Shores
2378 First National Building
Detroit, Michigan

H. A. Young
Geological Survey Section
Department of Conservation
Stevens T. Mason Building
Lansing, Michigan   48926

Lawrence A. Zlnder
Consolidated Packaging Corp.
72 W. Adams Street
Chicago, Illinois
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                           INTRODUCTORY REMARKS

                                    By
                    Attorney General Prank J.  Kelley
     We wish to welcome all you gentlemen to Lansing and express our

gratification at the excellent turnout.  I hope that the program we

have arranged will be productive and enlightening.  On October 2,

when President Johnson signed the Water Quality Act of 1965*  he

made the following significant statements:

     "The clear, fresh waters that were our national heritage have
     become dumping grounds for garbage and filth.  They poison
     our fish, they breed disease, they despoil our landscapes.

     "No one has a right to use America's rivers and America's
     waterways that belong to all the people as a sewer.  The
     banks of a rivor may belong to one man or one industry or
     one state, but the waters which flow between those banks
     should belong to all the people.

     "There is no excuse for a river flowing red with blood from
     slaughterhouses.  There is no excuse for paper mills pouring
     tons of sulphuric acid into the lakes and streams of the
     people of this country.  There is no excuse -- and we should
     call a spade a spade — for chemical companies and oil
     refineries using our major rivers as pipelines for toxic
     wastes.  There is no excuse for communities to use other
     peoples' rivers as a dump for their raw sewage.

     "This sort of carelessness and selfishness simply ought to
     be stopped; and more, it just must be reversed.  And we are
     going to reverse it.

     During this year's session of our State Legislature, amend-

ments to the Water Resources Act were adopted which considerably

strengthened the authority of Michigan's Water Resources Commission

to control and, in fact, put a halt to many instances of pollution

which previously were beyond the reach of that agency.  An entirely

new definition of unlawful pollution was incorporated in these

amendments which include factors not previously considered important,

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In a sense this was an up-dating of our basic Water Pollution Control
Act

     However} it is one thing to have a law on the books and quite
another thing to enforce it, because enforcement of water pollution
control laws steps on many tender toes.

     While there is universal support for the elimination of pollution,,
there is often resistance when enforcement directly affects vested
interests.  Much of this resistance is caused by a lack of understand-
ing concerning this problem.  Consequently, I felt that it was time
that we summoned a conference on this most important aspect of our
water pollution control laws, namely, the ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW
ITSELF.

     In organizing this conference I decided that in all fairness it
should include those who are responsible for enforcing these laws;
also, those concerning whom enforcement action might be taken.  How-
ever, I would like to stress the word "RESPONSIBILITY."  All of us --
those who administer the laws, as well as those who must abide by
them — have RESPONSIBILITIES towards the public to obey these laws
voluntary so that the desired objective of restoring and keeping
our waters clean be achieved with a minimum amount of coercion.

     It is with this thought in mind that I requested participation
by municipal,  township and county officials and also participation
on the part of representative industries in our state.

     You will also notice that the federal government now plays a very

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Important role in the control of the pollution of the waters of the
nation.  It has been the position of the officials of the State of
Michigan that the primary responsibility for the enforcement of
pollution control laws resides in the state and that the state should
meet this obligation without any hesitation or equivocation.

     In our appearances before congressional committees, we have been
assured that so long as the states measure up to their responsibili-
ties, they need have no fear of federal intervention; but, on the
other hand, we were warned that should we fail in this duty, congress
would have no hesitancy in preempting the field.  Consequently, I
have Invited Murray Stein, who is the Chief Enforcement Officer of
the Division of Water Supply and Pollution Control of the United
States Public Health Service.  Mr. Stein comes to us with many years
of experience in this work.  He has conducted hearings under the
federal act all over the country and has performed his job squarely
and fairly.  I think he will have some rather interesting things to
tell us at this conference.
     May I welcome you this morning and hope this conference will be
enlightening and will arouse public awareness in the problems that
we face In our Joint task of keeping Michigan's waters as clean and
as pure as humanly possible.  For unless this is done, the phrase
"Michigan is a Water Wonderland" might have to be altered to "Michigan
is a Water Wasteland'"

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  REVIEW OP MICHIGAN'S WATER POLLUTION LAWS AND ADMINISTRATION
                               By
                        Nicholas V.  Olds
                   Assistant Attorney General
Scope ana Purpose;
     One of the main objectives of this  conference  Is to explore
the legal aspects and problems Involved  In the abatement and  con-
trol of pollutional discharges into the  waters of the State.  It
Is hoped that by doing so,  not only those  of us attending this
conference, but the general public will  have a better understand-
ing and awareness of the legal structure underglrdlng the enforce-
ment of our laws prohibiting the contamination of our waters.

     We are all against pollution In the same way that we are all
against sin, but too often  we give scant attention  to the correla-
tive or reciprocal rights affected by the  enforcement of water
pollution control laws.  Because of this lack of understanding,
officials charged with the  responsibility  of administering water
pollution control machinery are too often  unjustly  criticized for
the apparent lack of action and results.
When Persuasion has Palled  - Importance  of Enforcement;
     No public official having a proper  sense of public relations
will precipitously and without adequate  efforts of  persuasion start
actions against a citizen or municipality  of the State to compel
the elimination of a pollutional discharge.  The language in  both
our State and Federal statutes on this subject, either inferentlal-
ly or directly, requires the use of conciliatory machinery before

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putting into motion the wheels of enforcement.   In the  instance of
the Michigan Water Resources Commission,  after  an investigation
has revealed the existence of unlawful pollution,  the person ©r
entity responsible is advised of the situation  and every effort is
made to convince it to voluntarily eliminate the improper pollu-
tioi',a,t load imposed by him into the receiving waters.   Although
the art of persuasion proves successful in many instances, we must
never lose sight of the fact that the agency administering the
pollution control of this State must always have the power to en-
force its decisions should no agreement be reached which would
eliminate the pollution.
    In the words of Teddy Roosevelt, a pollution control agency
must always "speak softly, but carry a big stick. "  Without this
residue of legal power, the efforts of a pollution control agency
can. flounder and its efforts be nullified so that the pollution of
the waters of the State continue merrily on.
Enforcement Tools Should be Kept Sharp -Juj^QftiatAJor^ Disputes and
Uncertainty Should be Avoided;
     An agency charged with the responsibility of keeping the
waters of the State reasonably clean should be given adequate and
ample power to perform its public task.   Its tools of enforcement
should be constantly clean and sharp so that there can be no mis-
understanding about its intention fully and fairly to enforce the
pollution control laws adopted by the State Legislature.   Some
polluters would en.loy nothing better than protracted delays in-
volved in the settlement of Jurisdictlonal questions and disputes.

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One can Imagine the time and work that  could be  consumed  in re-
solving a Jurisdictional dispute as to  whether the State  or the
Federal government had jurisdiction over the pollution  situation,
whether the State agency or the municipality had Jurisdiction,
whether the administrative hearing complied with all the  niceties
of due process of law, whether in fact  (and this has been urged
in many of our cases) the State had any authority to compel a
municipality, for Instance, to cease discharging untreated wastes
in a particular river on the specious grounds that other  munici-
palities and other polluters were doing the same.  I have even
heard the challenge made by municipal officials  to this effect:
     "Well, the State has gotten its court  order, now let's
     see how it is going to enforce it«,"
Therefore, let us be clear about this.   No   pollution control pro-
gram of any state can be worth the paper on which it is written
unless there is precise, clear cut and  unambiguous authority to
enforce the decisions that are duly and legally  made by the pollu-
tion control agency.
Common Law Doctrine Affecting Abatement and Control of  Water
pollution;
     Although it may be rarely recognized,  the fact remains the
common law had well developed legal doctrines by which  pollution
of public waters could be either abated or  controlled.  The two
doctrines,  1.  Nuisances, both private and publicji/
I/  The Doctrine on Nuisances is aptly expressed:   "Sic utere tuo
~~   ut alienum non laedas,"  Use your own property in such a man-
    ner as not to injure that of another.—Black's Law Dictionary
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            2.   The riparian right  of reasonable use;
could be and were utilized in many  cases to  enjoin and prohibit a
polluter from continuing his unlawful practices.

     Since each state of the Union  Inherited all the sovereign
authority previously exercised under the common law or under the
civil law each state therefore has  Inherent  legal authority which,
if exercised, could and many times  did control and abate pollution
of public waters which were of such a character as to amount to a
public nuisance.  Also, every riparian owner on a stream or lake
has the legal right to Insist that  other riparian owners desist
from contaminating the waters in such a way  as to render them less
useful and in fact injurious to the complaining riparian owner.
Thus a riparian owner could make use of both doctrines, that of
private nuisances, and that of the  right to  the reasonable use of
the waters contiguous to his lands.

     I shall illustrate the utilization of these doctrines in two
cases which reached the -Supreme Court of our State several decades
ago.                                         '
     In 1909, the Attorney General  of the  State of Michigan, on
behalf of the Township of Wyoming and the  Village of Grandvllle,
filed a suit against the City of Grand Rapids  for an injunction
to prohibit that city from continuing to discharge its raw, un-
                                    p/
treated sewage into the Grand River. —'

     During flood stages the Grand  River would innundate and con-
17Attorney General ex rel Township of Wyoming v.  City of
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taminate the land areas near these communities.  The attorney gen<-

eral utilizing his common law powers filed a  suit  in the Superior

Court of the City of Grand Rapids to compel that City  to abate the

nuisance which it was creating.   Oddly enough the  Superior Court

dismissed the bill of the attorney general but fortunately on ap-

peal the Michigan Supreme Court  not only sustained the bill of

complaint but granted both a prohibitory and  mandatory injunction.

In its opinion the Supreme Court laid down some very fundamental

principles that have been the loadstar of our State pollution con-

trol program ever since.

     1.  A municipal corporation has no greater right  to pollute
         the waters of a river or watercourse, or  to create a
         nuisance therein, than has any individual.

     2.  And if such a municipal corporation  creates a nuisance
         through the discharge of Its sewage  into  a watercourse,
         it may be restrained therefrom.

     3.  There can be no prescriptive right to create  a public
         nuisance.  Although such prescriptive rights  can be  oper-
         ative against an individual riparian owner, it is never
         operative against the public and no  prescriptive right
         comes into being to increase the discharge of pollutlonal
         substances or to Increase the nuisance resulting.

     4.  The rights of the riparian owners on a stream to the use
         of the water are property rights. Such rights cannot be
         restricted, limited, or destroyed by permitting, through
         statutory enactment or otherwise, a  municipal corporation
         to discharge its sewage into the river above  them.   Such
         riparian rights can only be acquired through  the exercise
         of the right of eminent domain and by making  full compen-
         sation to the owner.

     5.  It is not essential that the nuisance create  a condition
         intolerable to the persons affected  by it.  If there is
         a degree of annoyance to them, or public  health is af-
         fected,, an injunction will issue.

     6.  The fact that the health and convenience  of one part of
         the public, or of a particular municipality,  will be best
         subserved by discharging sewage into the  stream consti-
         tutes no legal defense.
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     The mandatory order Issued by the  Supreme  Court occurred In
1913* "but it wasn't until the 20's that the. City of Grand Rapids
built a sewage disposal plant for treatment  of  its municipal wastes.
When the plant became inadequate in the 1940's,  the Stream Control
          o/
Commissions;.' issued an order requiring  the  construction of further
facilities.  Palling to comply with this order,  the attorney gener-
al filed a suit in the Superior Court for the City of Grand Rapids
for its enforcement, and shortly after  the  issuance of a decree on
April 24, 1952, the City of Grand Rapids did construct facilities
thafe were then necessary.

     This is a prime example of the intelligent  and successful
utilization by state officials of both  the  common law and statutory
powers and establishment of a body of legal criteria for the abate-
ment and control of pollution of the waters of  the State.

          The Application of Reasonable Use Doctrine
                  In Water Pollution Control
     With the growth of industry in our State,  the discharge of in-
dustrial waste soon became a serious threat to  the maintenance of
the purity of our waters.  As I have noted  previously, the discharge
of pollutlonal substances in a stream or lake  could cause serious
injury to lower or other riparians and  there is an extensive body
of law for the redress of such injuries. Over  the years, many suits
have been filed by private riparian owners  for  injunctions to re-
strain a harmful discharge of waste by  an upper riparian proprietor.
The most notable case that reached the  Michigan Supreme Court was
37Act 245, Public Acts of 1929

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Monroe Carp Pond Company vs.  River Raisin Paper Company,  240 Mich

279, which occurred before the enactment of the Stream Control

Commission Act of 1929.


     The River Raisin Paper Company began discharging paper wastes

into the River Raisin in Monroe County thereby depleting  the oxygen

in the water to such an extent that all the carp belonging to the

Monroe Carp Pond Company died and rendered the pond useless.  The

Pond Company filed suit for an injunction and for damages.   The

Michigan Supreme Court in its opinion based its decision  on language

from a Massachusetts Case, Parker y_^ American Woolen Company, 195

Mass 591;


     "We regard it however as settle that no riparian pro-
     prietor has the right to use the waters of a natural
     stream for such purposes or in such a manner as will
     materially corrupt it to the substantial injury of a
     lower proprietor, or to cast or discharge into it
     noxious and deleterious substances which will tend to
     defile the water and make it unfit for use."


     In discussing the law of reasonable use as between riparians,

the Michigan Supreme Court stated (page 285)


     11 (b) The right to the use of the water in a stream
     by a riparian proprietor is not absolute.  It is a
     natural right, qualified and limited by the existence
     of a like right on the part of others.  It is an in-
     cident to the ownership of the land through which
     the stream passes.  The enjoyment of such use by a
     landowner is prior to those below him, and subsequent
     to those above him, on the stream.  The water may by
     his use be rendered unfit for many purposes for which
     pure water is suitable,  and yet the lower riparian
     proprietor may have no Just cause for complaint, if
     its condition results from a reasonable use thereof
     in accordance with the common right."
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     However, in deciding whether to  grant the  injunction to re-
strain the River Raisin Paper Company from discharging paper wastes
into the river, it utilized another doctrine known as "balancing
the equities."  Indicating that  under the common  law the issuance
of an injunction is not a matter of right but a matter of grace,
the Court reviewed the comparative economic importance of these
two commercial enterprises to the community of  Monroe and found
that the economic impact of the  paper mill was  far superior to
that of the carp pond operation.  In  those days the Court was also
faced with the fact that the science  and technology of waste dis-
posal had not yet advanced sufficiently to enable the paper mill
company to render the waste innocuous.   In fact the Court in its
opinion observed that there "is  no way in which these wastes can
be treated and purified on their own  premises ao  as to permit the
plants to be operated with reasonable profit."  Consequently, the
Court refused to issue an injunction  because to do so would put
the paper company out of business. As an alternative, by finding
that the pollution of the waters was  unreasonable and a wrong, it
awarded full damages to the Carp Pond Company.  May I hasten to
say at this juncture that under  our Water Resources Act so called
"economic feasibility" is not a  factor.  The statute defines what
is unlawful pollution and authorizes  the Water  Resources Commission
to order a cessation of the discharge of any substance into the
waters of the State which violate this definition.  The Water Re-
sources Commission may but need  not consider the  economic feasibil-
ity of either abating or restricting a discharge  of substances
which violate the definition.
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Statutory Enactments;
              State Health Commissioner Authority
     The first significant water pollution control  statute  in Michi-
gan was Act 98, Public Acts of 1913*  which was  fundamentally amended
by Act 219 of the Public Acts of 1949.  The purpose of this statute
was to vest in the State Health Commissioner  supervisory authority
over the construction of water supply and sewage  disposal systems
by municipalities.  This law had its  genesis  in a long history of
epidemics attributable to water-borne diseases.   Its  chief  purpose
was to authorize the State Health Commissioner  to examine and ap-
prove plans submitted by municipalities for the construction of
sewers, sewage plants or water supply systems so  that they  would
be designed and function in a manner  which would  prevent occurrences
of water-borne disease epidemics.  Under  this act,  the State Health
Commissioner has authority to refuse  to grant extensions or addi-
tions to a sewer system when in his judgment  the  municipality is
not adequately treating the sewage then being delivered to  its sys-
tem.  It was this prohibitory authority which the State Health
Commissioner exercised several years  ago  when he  placed a "ban" on
all additional sewer connections proposed in  various  parts  of Wayne
County.  His refusal to lift the "ban"  brought  on a rash of law
suits between subdividers and municipalities  in Wayne County in
which the State Health Commissioner was named a party.  Out of this
maze of legal complexities there came into being  agreements among
municipalities, including Wayne County, with  respect  to the con-
struction of additional sewage disposal facilities.  Thereafter,
the Commissioner lifted his "ban" against the extension and con-
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structIon of additional sewers.

     But, I want to note here the  important part that the law played
in this situation and particularly call  your attention to the fact
that it was not until the State  Health Commissioner brought out his
l>!big stick" by imposing a "ban"  that  the Gordian knot finally was
cut.  The result was that municipalities came to agreements which
brought about Joint participation  in  the construction of much needed
additional sewage disposal facilities.

     At this point mention should  also be made  of the fact that the
act under which the State Health Commissioner functions makes no
provision whatever for the control, regulation  and abatement of
waste from industry or commercial  establishments.  His authority
is restricted to the supervision of municipal functions in this
field and then only when the public health is involved.

             Creation of Stream Control  Commission
     State wide concern over the extensive pollution of our waters
engendered enactment by the State  Legislature of Act 245, P.A. 1929
which created the Stream Control Commission.  This body was made up
of the director of conservation, the  state health commissioner, the
state highway commissioner, the director of agriculture and the
attorney general.  It contained a  definition of unlawful pollution
and authorized the commission after conducting  a statutory hearing
to issue orders controlling and regulating the  discharge of pollu-
tants.  An appeal from the commission's  orders  was permitted to the
Courts, and it authorized the attorney general  to start  such actions
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as were necessary to enforce the orders of the  commission.  By the
device of designating the heads of various state  agencies as  ex-
officio members of the commission, the legislature  brought about co-
operative efforts among existing state agencies to  abate the  pollu-
tion of our waters.  With limited budget this commission assembled
a staff and worked diligently during the 1930's and 19^0's in making
investigations, issuing orders and securing court enforcement of
those orders.  Shortly after its organization,  Mr.  Milton P.  Adams
became its executive secretary, and as we all know, Mr. Adams has
carved for himself a national and international reputation in this
very important aspect of keeping our waters reasonably clean  and
pure.
     One of the most important series of cases  the  Stream Control
Commission spearheaded were the so-called Port  Huron Cases.   Before
the beginning of World War II the City of Port  Huron had refused to
comply with an order issued by the Stream Control Commission  to
     "proceed with the construction of a sewage treatment
     plant and the necessary collecting and intercepting
     sewers, pumping stations, force mains and  other ap-
     purtenances in connection therewith, all when  and as
     approved by the Michigan Department of Health  to per-
     mit treatment for the sewage of the City before its
     discharge to state waters.
     Again like in the Grand Rapids Case, the lower court turned
down the suit filed by the attorney general for the enforcement of
the commission's order.   This of course was reversed by the Supreme
Court and in doing so the Court laid down some  rather important
guide lines, such as:
     "It is no defense to a statutory charge of river
     water pollution that others have contributed or
     are contributing to that condition.

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     "In proceeding to compel city to  construct a  sewage
     treatment plant and  to stop  discharging raw sewage
     into adjacent rivers wherein city claimed other  cit-
     ies were also polluting the  waters, the doctrine of
     comparative injury is inapplicable since it should
     be confined to situations where plaintiff can be
     substantially compensated,   (l Comp. Laws 1929*  Sec.
     278, et seq.)
     "The doctrine of comparative  injury should not be
     invoked to Justify the continuance  of  an act that
     tends to impair public health.

     "Alleged financial inability  of city to comply with
     stream control commission's order to construct a
     sewage treatment plant and to cease polluting rivers
     by discharging raw sewage therein is no defense to
     such order, since a city has  the power to raise
     monev by taxation,  (l Comp Laws 1929, Sec.  278, et
     seq.)

     "Pact that war conditions make it more difficult for
     a city to comply with order of stream  control com-
     mission to construct a sewage treatment plant and to
     cease polluting river waters  by discharging  raw sew-
     age therein merely affects the time within which
     there should be compliance with the order,   (l Comp.
     Laws 1929, Sec. 278 et seq.)"


     But, this did not end the batrble for the City of Port Huron

was faced with a serious financial situation.  When the treasurer

of the City of Port Huron refused  to sign the bonds to be  issued

for the financing of the ordered facilities, the  Mayor filed  a  man-

damus action to compel him to perform his duty.   The issue was

whether the city had legal authority to  borrow money which would

require the levying of taxes in excess of that authorized  by  the

statutes or charter.  In its opinion, the Supreme Court made  it

abaundantly clear that in this Instance  the City was performing a

task which it had been ordered to do by  court decree, that  its  re-

sponsibility was not a local one but "was for the protection  of the
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people of the State ©f Michigan.   It  transcended local purposes."
Consequently the court stated that it was no longer necessary for
the city t© submit the question of issuance of the  bonds to the
electorate because the people in their collective capacity in a
municipality had no more right to pollute the waters of the State
than an individual citizen.   This landmark case cleared the path
for the financing of the construction of sewage disposal systems
by municipalities pursuant to a court order, and in financial par-
lance, these bonds became known as "court order bonds."  In fact,
they commanded a much more favorable  rate of interest than either
general obligation or revenue bonds.   Thereafter, no municipality
could complain that it did not have the financial ability  to  issue
bonds for the construction of these works.   Many of our suits against
municipalities for the enforcement of commission orders have  been
mainly for the purpose of enabling municipalities to issue "court
order bonds."  It was due to this financial breakthrough that many
of our Michigan municipalities have been able t© construct sewage
disposal systems for the first time in their history and it has
not been necessary for the state as such to provide financing for
this purpose.
            Creation of Water Resources Commission
     In 19^9 the Legislature amended  the Stream Control Act ©f 1929
in various respects.  It not only changed the name, but expanded
the membership to Include 3 citizens  appointed by the Governor, 1
from industry, 1 from municipalities  and 1 from conservation  organ-
izations.  The attorney general was dropped as a member.   A new sub-
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section was added to Section 8 which required the commission's ap-
proval before any person could make  a new and additional use of
the waters of the State.  This broadly  based commission organization
has worked effectively and well since control and abatement of pol-
lution of our waters affects a great variety of uses and interests.
                Miscellaneous Statutory Authority
     Although the State through its  agencies has been active in the
prevention of the pollution of the waters of the State, the fact
that authority of a similar nature exists in municipal entities
must not be overlooked.  For Instance,  townships, incorporated vil-
lages, fourth class cities, home rule cities, drain commissioners
and other political entities have authority in one form or another
to prevent the pollution of waters existing within their territorial
limits.  It is not my purpose here to delve into the details of this
authority because it is expected that other people on the program
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will do so.—

Const itut ional Limitat ions:
     A brief word should be said about  the requirements and restric-
tions of both the State and Federal Constitution affecting the  issu-
ance and enforcement of administrative  orders.   Our State's 1963
Constitution specifically grants the right of appeal  from the issu-
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ance and enforcement of an administrative order.—   The Administra-
                  6/
tlve Procedure Act—  as well as the provisions  of  the Water Resources
V  See Act 24t> p.A. 1945, as amended by Act  55,  P.A.  1959.
5/  Article VI, Sec. 28, 1963 Constitution.
6/  Act 197 of the Public Acts of 1952.
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Act very specifically require the holding of hearings  before the
issuance of any order.  The due process clauses  of both the State
and Federal Constitution would certainly apply to  the  issuance of
orders and the prerequisite of a proper and adequate hearing.  It
should not be forgotten that whenever a state agency imposes a re-
striction on the discharge of pollutants in a body of  water, it is
dealing as was stated in the Monroe Carp Pond Case, with the prop-
erty rights of riparian owners and to the extent these property
rights are being affected by any order, the greatest care  should
be exercised in the conduct of hearings followed by the issuance
of proper and legal orders.

Administrative Machinery and Procedure;
     The Water Resources Act, as amended, defines  unlawful pollu-
tion in Section 6, and Section 7 sets up the procedure for hearings
and the issuance of orders.  Section 8 (a) provides for the method
of appeal from an order of the commission.  Also rules of  procedure
were adopted pursuant to the Administrative Procedure  Act, Act 197
of the Public Acts of 1952, and every effort was made  in adopting
these rules to afford the alleged polluter with  a  fair and impar-
tial hearing.  When the commission believes that the hearing will
be a protracted one, it may be referred to a hearing representative
who will make a record and return it to the commission with his
findings of fact and conclusions of law.   Based  on this record the
commission will hear the whole matter and make its final determin-
ation.
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Enforcement of Commission Orders by Court  Proceedings;
     The attorney general by general statutory enactment has the
authority t© file any proceedings in any court for  the  enforcement
©f the laws of the  bate.  The Water Resources Act  as amended
specifically authorizes the attorney general  to enforce the orders
of the commission.  Many suits have been filed over the years to
enforce the orders of both the stream control commission and its
successor, the water resources commission.  Of course,  it  should
be emphasized that in many cases compliance with these  orders was
made without the necessity of filing a court  action.  A list of
such cases would be too cumbersome to append, but details  could
be secured from the offices of the attorney general and water re-
sources commission.  I am appending, however, tables indicating
the number of administrative orders issued by the commission against
industry and municipalities and the number of conferences  and hear-
ings conducted by the commission from the  year 19^9 to  date.
Recent Amendments to the Water Resources Act  and Their  Significances
     I will not go into great detail, however, I do want to empha-
size tw© aspects of these amendments.  The definition of unlawful
pollution in Section 6 has been considerably  expanded.  Specific
mention is now made to injuries
     "to domestic, commercial, industrial, agricultural,
     recreational or other uses which are  being or  may  be
     made of such waters or which is or may become  injuri-
     ous to the value or utility of riparian  lands."
By this language we can reach and abate potential pollution.   It
need not be shown that the polluter is actually discharging a  sub-
stance, but if he Is about to do so, his actions can be halted
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before the Injury occurs.

     Subsection (b) was added to Section 6 making it a matter of
prlroa facie evidence that  the discharge will  violate the act if it
consists "of any raw sewage of human origin." This subsection also
Imposes upon municipalities, such as cities,  villages and  townships,
a responsibility to control the discharge of  human sewage  by any
of its inhabitants.  In too many Instances, municipalities would
raise the defense that it  was the inhabitants, directly through
their septic systems, who  were discharging the offensive sewage
rather than the municipality through its sewer system.  Inasmuch &s
these municipalities have  police powers and can  pass ordinances reg-
ulating public health and  safety, they ought  to  be made responsible
for what their Inhabitants do to the waters of the State.

     Section 10 Is a new section which incorporates in statutory
language what we have been doing under the common law, that is,
compelling polluters to pay damages for the injury which their act
occasioned to fish and wildlife.  The conservation department with
the assistance of the attorney general's office  during the past 15
years has been collecting  damages of this kind.   What the  Legisla-
ture did by adding this section is ratify in  statutory form the
common law authority to collect such damages.
Control of Pollution of International Waters:
     Since Michigan has a long international water boundary with
Canada, we have had many Instances of pollution of these waters  of
a transboundary nature.  The Boundary Waters Treaty of 1909 between
the United States and Canada makes it unlawful for one country to
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pollute boundary waters to  the injury of persons  or property of the
other.  But the treaty sets up no machinery for the enforcement ©f
this provision.  By various references this international body has
made investigations and recommendations for control of the pollu-
tion of these waters.   By and large these recommendations have been
carried out by the use of the authority of the  States and Provinces
concerned and the commission maintains boards to  constantly study
and review progress and new problems as they arise.  In  1961 the
International Joint Commission issued a brochure  entitled "Safe-
guarding Boundary Water Quality—A Cooperative  Effort Between United
States and Canada Under International Treaty" describing the work the
International Joint Commission had done.  Recently the IJC received
a reference to study and make a report on the pollution  of Lake
Erie containing recommendations for measures to be taken by the two
governments t© reduce the pollution of this lake.

Conclusions
     This, in brief and In fact in very inadequate form,  is the
legal history of water pollution control activities of the State
of Michigan so that Its waters will be preserved and protected not
only for the present but for future generations.  We have done a
fairly good job, but we cannot rest on our laurels.  Pollution of
the waters of the State takes on many shapes and forms.  We must
continue to exercise our best and most diligent efforts in this
task of preserving the purity and quality of our waters upon which
man's continued existence and civilization so much depends.
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WATER RESOURCES COMMISSION
  ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS
                             FINAL ORDERS
YEAR
1949
1950
1951
1952
1953
1954
1955
1956
1957
1958
1959
I960
1961
1962
1963
1964
1965 to date
TOTAL
INDUSTRIAL

5
5
9
6
11
26
29
25
20
28
25
73
73
71
81
78
565
MUNICIPAL
5
8
2


1
2
1
2
1
1
2
4
5
20
29
7
90
INDUSTRIAL
3
7
16
2
2
6


2

1
3


1
1
3
47
MUNICIPAL
6
34
23
14

2

2

5
4
2
1
2
3

3
101
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                                                        2*8
            WATER RESOURCES COMMISSION
                    NUMBER OP
                     NUMBER  OP
                 STATUTORY & PUBLIC
-L.Lum.iv
1949
1950
1951
1952
1953
1954
1955
1956
1957
1958
1959
I960
1961
1962
1963
1964
1965 to date
9
89
49
15
32
38
47
15
11
17
24
11
11
4
20
13
42
12
36
21
21
9
5

3
2
8
6
14
3
6
8
2
10
TOTAL
447
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        THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATURE IN ABATEMENT OP WATER POLLUTION
                                   By
                       Joseph M. Snyder, Chairman
              House Committee tm Conservation and Recreation
     Attorney General Kelley, distinguished panelists, guests and
delegates; my subject today is "The Role of the Legislature in
Abatement of Water Pollution." I do hope my views do represent
the composite point of view of many Individuals charged with the
serious challenge of fostering legislation to correct a festering
problem, and one that is growing at a constantly accelerating pace.

     The legislature if it is to be successful in its efforts must
keep itself apprised of public desires.  In abating water pollution,
as in many other issues, it is important to equate the attitudes of
the general public and the special interest groups.  This is no small
task, for there are many different attitudes and many degrees of in-
tensity in those attitudes.  Often times some of the attitudes and
conclusions are based on emotion and misinformation, making the
problem and its solution more complex and difficult.

     "Water pollution" is an expression most of our citizens use in
the same sense as they do "motherhood", the flag, and the good old
college alma mater.  No one disagrees and it is the right thing to
say now days that we must keep our waters from becoming polluted.
However, most people have no particular interest in water pollution
abatement until they are personally affected and then they may
demand to know, why their problem wasn't anticipated and prevented
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that it's easier to prevent water pollution than  it  is to correct
the resulting widespread damage.

     While many of you in this assembly have been pioneers and voices
in the wilderness, water pollution control  has  only  recently assumed
major importance in the public mind and even yet  there are many
people who are only mildly concerned and yes, there  are even those
who have an uneasy feeling when confronted  with circumstances that
will require new laws, new methods and new  restrictions.

     There can be many conflicts raised even in a legislator's mind
when approached by the divergent interests  — shall  he give credence
to the relatively few who sometimes represent the special interest
groups or shall he give weight to the opinions  of the contacts ex-
erted by the general public.   Yes, a legislator must be aware of
all these immediate interests; a legislator must  also be a man of
vision and look beyond tne immediate problem or beyond even the
immediate normalcy and well-being in a given situation.

     With this great diversion of opinion and variety of thought,
a legislator may be hard pressed to determine what he can believe
and of what he can defend or to the extent  he must compromise to
gain his objective.  Too often, a distinction must be made between
that which is attainable and that which is  ideal. Really, that  is
the problem that confronts us today in the  area of water pollution
abatement.
     At one extreme are those who honestly  advocate  putting our
streams and waters in such a state of purity that one can  safely dip
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and drink from them.  At the other extreme are those who believe even
our present restrictions? are confiscatory.  Who is right — probably
neither.  We then as legislators, must pursue a course that will re-
sult in a preservation of our resources and enjoyment of life -- yet
one that will also protect our economy and provide for life itself.

     Too long the emphasis has been on economic interests and now
we must provide the essential balance and correct some of our past
errors.  How fast can improvements be made?  What will happen if too
drastic legislative action is taken?  What will happen if strong
enough action is not taken?  These are the decisions we must make.
     The legislator must keep himself as well-informed as possible
within the limits set by the total range of demands on his time.
Our legislative sessions give us a variety of subjects, ranging from
astrology to zoology.  It is not unusual to debate the coordinate
points of the earth, brucellosis and bangs disease all in the same
afternoon.  I don't claim to be an expert on all these subjects but
I do know where to find the answers.  Not only do we rely on our
committee system, but we can turn to our resource people and admini-
strators for help.  I'm nor the least bit hesitant in picking up the
telephone and asking Nick Olds or i^oring Oeming for advice when the
waters get a little cloudy.  They represent a good many years of
collective experience and Judgment.  My Job is to translate their
wisdom into workable statutes — laws that will protect the public
trust and interest.

     Once the die is cast,  the legislator must convey the substance
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of his knowledge and efforts to his constituents and defend If
necessary the action he takes.  Very rare are the Instances when a
new law is acceptable to everyone.  Like some medicine, it is
bitter to take but the results are good once we are persuaded that
the medicine must be swallowed, and water pollution abatement is no
exception.
     In arriving at his decisions, the legislator must also balance
the many pressing needs of the State with its finances.  He must
allocate for the administration of water pollution control recog-
nizing that there are also serious unmet problems In Mental Health
Education, Public Health, and other areas.  Sometimes even his best
laid plans are disrupted by expected and unexpected executive vetoes.

     We must be willing to seek new methods and new techniques in
our legislative processes.  Because of the wide range of the uses of
water, a variety of bills are Introduced at each session and referred
to different legislative committees.

     During this past year we had water bills referred to the Con-
servation Commi'ttee, the Judiciary Committee and the Committee on
Public Health.  This procedure makes it difficult to coordinate
objectively and it is quite possible for Inconsistencies to develop.
Some method of coordination of water resource bills may have to be
found.  In the reorganization of the Executive Branch of govern-
ment, this problem was recognised and the Water Resources Commission,
the State Waterways Commission and the Boating Control Commission
were all put under the cloak of the Department of Conservation.

     We must also provide for continuity of thinking on matters of

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Water Conservation and Control.  A state policy on water resource
development and control could be identified by the legislature as a
guide to future legislatures and administrators.  Such an effort
might well include a review of existing water resource legislation
to determine any necessary appropriate revision.

     A legislator must be knowledgeable of the efforts of government
at all levels in abating water pollution.  I'm sure that we have in
this assembled group, representatives from townships, cities, counties,
the state and federal governments.  In each of these units there are
activities in water resource management that must be coordinated.
And in each we hear familiar phrases such as biochemical oxygen
demand, nutrients, effluent discharge, etc.

     Government must be willing to accept and encourage voluntary
efforts if it appears that these are sincere and effective.  If ever
there was an endeavor worthy of a tripnafcite effort this is it.  In-
dustry, Government and the Citizenry can 'all Join in the drive to
abate water pollution.  There is enough work there for all.  We must
pool our knowledge and finances.  Too many splinter programs will
defeat their own purposes.
     And now, I would like to depart from my script for a few minutes
and relate a few recent personal experiences.
     This past summer, without too much fanfare and pbblicity, our
committee in the House made a concerted effort to study water pollu-
tion.  We took a boat trip up and down the River Raisin.  Ladies and
gentlemen, let me tell you that you must see to believe the condition
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of that water.  It was impossible for any form of life to survive
there.  Not only do we have a problem in the River Raisin, but this
river empties into the beach along Lake Erie where we have one of
our finest state parks, one of the most beautiful sand beaches in
the State of Michigan and in the country —and this beach is un-
usable.  The nutrients added to the water create an algae growth
that destroy not only the wildlife and fish, but they create a
condition on the shores that make them unusable.

     I had the experience the other day of looking at the other end
of the pendulum.  I went to Alpena and saw the efforts of the Atlbli
Corporation.  They were voluntarily putting millions of dollars into
a program that will attempt to control water pollution.  I found out
a real exciting and interesting thing on this trip.  Their efforts
were not completely successful because when their water was finally
processed to the best of their ability, an organic substance still
remained which could only be removed by the addition of nitrogen,
and obviously this would create an additional nutrient and create
further problems.  However, it was pointed out to me that the City
of Kalamazoo has now embarked on a program in cooperation with its
paper mills in which there will be a cooperative effort, and the
nitrogen necessary to remove the organic substance will possibly
be derived from the sewerage used in the Kalamazoo disposal plant.
This is an exciting solution because it solves two problems.Probably
we can't be overly optimistic, but I'll tell you that as long as
there is the sincerity and the desire to work out problems oetween
these two groups, perhaps we can come up with a solutidn and I
assure you that our committee will be going up there to look over the
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problem.

     House Concurrent Resolution No. 150 has been passed in the
House and Senate and both Senator O'Brien, the chairman of the Senate
Conservation Committee, and I are members of this joint committee.
We feel this will be one of the most important committees we will be
asked to serve upon, and I am looking forward to getting into the
problem of water pollution.  I might point out that many industries
are making an effort to voluntarily correct water pollution.  The
oil industry, paper mills, and recently I read an article in the
official Michigan magazine, that even Chrysler has now developed a
process in which they will burn their wet solids.  These are new and
dramatic processes available to us.  As a legislator, I would welcome
any practical ideas this assembled group may have, because remember
that a good bill in its final form is a simple idea fostered by an
individual such as yourself.  All we do to your ideas is to add a
little parsley to make the banquet plate look attractive.  Give us
the ideas and I tell you that we have an enlightened legislature
that is looking forward to working with the attorney general's
office and many groups in the state to resolve the matter of water
pollution.  In essence, I feel this is the responsibility and the
role of the legislature in the abatement of water pollution.
Thank you.
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         THE ROLfc. jt THE LEGISLATURE IN ABATEMENT OP POLLUTION
                                   By
                   Senator Carl W. O'Brien, Chairman
                    Senate Committee on Conservation
     Well, I'm going to be mercifully brief.  You have Just listened
to three politicians, two lawyers and Frank Kelley doubling in brass
and I know that the human soul, not to mention the human behind, can
take only so many politicians and so many lawyers in a row.  I'd
like to tell you a few little things.  I am not an expert on any of
this.  I see a lot of you experts out there — people from TroutjUnltd,
people from the conservation clubs, city managers.  In fact, I get
the feeling I know about half of you.  You know it's an ominous feel-
ing, and I am speaking time after time to pretty much the same people.
I have said this so frequently.  Speaking in the area of pollution —
in fact I see the city managers of a couple of cities I represent, so
maybe I better watch what I say.

     Next time I am going to introduce a bill which will restore the
language that was kicked out of Senate Bill 69.  Senate Bill 69 was
two or three different bills over the year.  In the beginning when
the bill was put in, some fellow had a little lake up in one of
these counties.  He thought it was polluted and he grabbed a section
of the law and wrote a bill which said you can't do that.  It wasn't
much of a bill but it was a good vehicle for changing the Water
Pollution Act of 19^9.  I called Nick Olds and asked if he could
come over to my office and talk to my committee.  We have a little
water pollution discussion going on, and in less time than it takes
to tell you, Nick Olds was there.  We said, "Nick, with your 20 years
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of experience In the courts, would you tell us what you think would
be the ideal bill for water pollution — the best bill of any state
in the United States?  Do you have any solution?"  And Nick said, I
just happen to have a few hundred thousand words on the subject."
Indeed he did, and he educated us.

     There was one phrase in that bill which was very dear to me.
It said something like — any substance you put in the water which
changes the chemical, physical or environmental characteristic of
the water is pollution.  That didn't last long.  You know, maybe if
you start the ideal bill — the ideal situation — then you get a
pretty good bill.  And I think that's what we did this year, because
one by one the people whom this bill would affect, came and made their
recommendations, some of them rather heatedly, some of them quite
logically, and told us what aspects of the bill they couldn't live
with.  This is good.  This is proper lobbying.

     I think the important thing the legislature did this year was
that it said to municipalities, to industry and to every septic tank
home owner in this state — all at once we are aware of this pollution
problem and if it is not stopped, get ready to stop because we can't
live with it.

     In the old days of history, I understand civilization Just
picked up and moved when a place became polluted.  The evidence is
there for you gentlemen who know the ancient history of the world.
The evidence is still there, and I can tell you by the leavings of
humanity, how many years, how many decades, how many centuries these
people lived in one spot.  What is the history of the United States

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going to be?  Indeed, the Western World?

     As I remember the passage of Senate Bill 69* there was a long
fight, and an Interesting thing^ happened.  There was> a man from In-
dustry who was fighting watex* pollution.  They won't listen to it.
It costs too much money.  It wasn't efficient.  It wasn't necessary.
There was the river and if you put '-stuff" in it, there it goes.
And that's the way he liked it until finally with civilization and
culture moving in on him, industry and cities and municipalities,
when the water got down the stream to his Industry, it was so polluted
he couldn't use it in his own plant.  And then he said — "What's
wrong with you guys in the legislature, why didn't you do something?"
Because, then it was his problem.  It wasn't his problem as long as
somebody was drinking it or trying to use it for recreational pur-
poses, but when at last he couldn't use it in his own plant, then it
became a personal problem.  I think this is what really has to happen
to all of us.  This man was no more selfish, nor more ignorant than
you or I.  Some of us live a little closer to the problem because it
has affected our favorite sport.  We see the streams.  The fish go
out.  Attorney General Kelley has a photograph here which shows many
dead fish.  We see this happen all over the state.  Those of us in
conservation know It all the time.  We hear about it every time it
happens.  Unlimited examples, a man like Nick Olds could give you.
Absolute death through pollution.

     When I was a kid I swam in a lake, lived on a lake, right in
the middle of the city.  During the last election that lake smelled
so badly that everybody in public office could not sleep at night
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because of telephone complaints about the smell.  So, we had the
Water Resources Commission come down and look at the three lakes
that were affected and they found a heavy influx of industrial oil.
I could have told them that because when I was a teen-ager, one of
our favorite pastimes, there was so much industrial oil on one of
those lakes, was to go down with some of the kids and set fire to
the lake.  Ever see a burning lake?  There were other industrial
wastes in it — raw domestic sewage — I forget the \exact chemical
analysis, but I am sure it must have taken a long time, there was so
much "Junk" in that lake.  And now, of course, that city like three
other communities in the area I represent, received their orders —
stop — make a change.  Change the bad sewer systems, the old com-
bined sewers.
     So now we come to the crux of the problem — money.  The state
has recognized its responsibility when it said, as it did in Senate
Bill 69 this year, as it is going to keep on saying by strengthen-
ing these pollution laws, to municipalities — "Stop polluting our
inland lakes and streams."  Now, the state must take the next logical
step.
     There are communities which, quite frankly, are hard pressed to
live up to these orders and yet it must be done.  So what is the
state to do?  The state must somehow arrange financial aid to com-
munities such as the Village of Lake Orion.  This small village has
to construct a million and a half dollar sewer system, and it has
400 taxpayers.  Divide that million and a half plus the interest on
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every home owner in that village.  They will be paying more than  their
homes are worth.  If the state does not recognize its responsibilities
to these communities after it has told them what has to be done,  then
the state is negligent.  And I want to tell you something.  I don't
think this legislature was that klnc   I was very happy this year —
very happy — to see the grade of men that came to the legislature,
like Representative Snyder, men knowledgable, well informed.  I think
I got a college education this year and I got one in pollution, I'll
tell you that.  So, I think one thing we are going to have to do  is
study the financial implications of our fight against pollution,  and
you are the people who are going to have to help us.  You know where
we came from.  We came from ward politics.  We are not Ph.D's when
we get up here.  But, maybe when the politician does get here, it is
because he has an instinct for doing What those communities and
what this state feels should be done.  And I think now the sentiment
is ripe for doing the thing.  A war has begun and war is expensive.
We have, as a matter of fact, appropriated fifty thousand dollars
from the Senate.  The House appropriated fifty thousand dollars and
the federal government matched it with one hundred thousand dollars
so people like Representative Snyder, myeelf and the other legis-
lators who will serve on this commission could have a director and
staff to study in depth and detail the problems of the communities
and industries of the State of Michigan.

     Well, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm happy to see there are some
ladies here because when matters of public health and the welfare of
the community come into being, I notice the ladles are generally
more effective than those of us of the male sex, so I am happy to see

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that there are a few women here today and they are becoming interested
in what programs may be developed to fight pollution in this state.
     I would like to leave you with a thought — there are eight
million little polluters in the State of Michigan today and in twenty
years there are going to be fifteen million of us.  So this is the
battle we have.  Thank you.
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      MUNICIPAL RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
                                   By
                Louis C. Andrews, Jr., Staff Attorney
                     Michigan Municipal League

     Cities and villages have been on the firing line in all phases
of battle against water pollution arising from sewage disposal for
the last quarter of a century.  This is not at all surprising as
a city government is simply an organization designed to help large
groups of people assembled together to function in an orderly and
rational basis.  When you have large groups of people together, the
problems and responsibilities naturally follow and guarding against
water pollution is certainly one of the most important.

     The difficulty arose in the first place because all of us had
to be reoriented on the need for sewage treatment.  In former years
once the sewage was waterborne and beyond the city limits it became
somebody else's problem.  This is no longer the case, of course.  Now
we want to avoid contaminating the water to such an extent that it
cannot be used by others and to prevent the destruction of natural
resources which are of prime importance to the state and country.
     The agency that redirected Tnunlcipal thinking along thetie lines
is beyond question the Water Resources Commission.  The state pro-
vided the "strong arm" to redirect municpal thinking along these
lines, but unfortunately it never did provide adequate means for
cities and villages to finance the huge sums necessary to provide
adequately for sewage treatment.  In many cases municipal sewage
works were financed by virtue of court order bonds as authorized by
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Public Act 320 of 1927.  Once the court has ordered tbe installation
of the sewag^ works, the city or village Is required to install it
and may, when necessary, finance it by the issuance of general
obligation bonds over and above its normal bond limits,  This sounds
like an excellent solution to the problem, but I am afraid that in
a great many cases the financial capabilities of some of the smaller
cities and villages affected suffered greatly.

     As an example, recently a village of some 1800 persons in-
stalled a new system costing $630,000.  This worked out at about
$350 for each man, woman and child within the village.  Not only
that, it constitutes an expenditure equal to 25# of the assessed
value of the village.  This is a tremendous sum,  As you well know,
a village is limited in its tax rate to one and three-quarters per
cent per year of its assessed value.  Here we have one single expen-
diture which is the equivalent of the total tax expenditure for a
period of some 13 years.
     Although this act includes counties as well as cities and
villages within its scope, so far as I know there has never been
any attempt to require a county to install a sewage treatment plant,
nor would we expect the problem to be attacked from this direction
normally.  The centers of population are the ones that are primarily
the generators of sewage, they are the ones that should be re-
sponsible for installing sewage treatment plants, but they should
receive all possible assistance in this endeavor from the state.

     This has been the direction in which municipal efforts have
been directed.  We have had no great problem in regulating the
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acceptance of sewage wastes.  Principally in the recent past the
emphasis has been upon the construction of treatment plants, and
although I have no special knowledge in this particular field, it
would seem to me that the record of Michigan cities and villages
should be admired throughout the United States.  We now have no city
or village over 5,000 population which does not have at least a
primary sewage treatment plant.  As I have indicated, the expenditures
for this purpose have been huge and they have been steady for the
last approximately 30 years with the exception of the wartime years
when the materials were not available.
     I note during the same period of time that thpre does not seem
to be quite as much progress made on a national basis.  One recent
article indicating that in 19^2 there were 75,000,000 people in the
United States served by sewage treatment plants and that today
118,000,000 are served by sewage treatment plants.  However, during
the same,period of time the population which is without sewage treat-
ment has also increased — 60.6 million in 19^2 to 68 million in 1962.
Thus I think when we in Michigan can say that substantially all of
our urban population is served by sewage treatment plants that we
are entitled to at least some feeling of satisfaction, even though
we realize there are many problems yet to be solved.
     As I have previously indicated, the enforcement of municipal
regulations regarding the disposal of Sewage is generally not solved
as a legal question, but rather on the administrative level.  In
other words, if it is possible for the sewage treatment plant to
treat the sewage or industrial waste, then the municipality wants
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to be able to accommodate the producer of the sewage or waste.  How-
ever, cities have had detailed ordinances governing the subject of
sewage disposal for a considerable number of years.  A Committee of
the Michigan Municipal League studied the model sewage ordinances
which were available in 1952 and produced their own recommended
version.  This has served as a forerunner and guide to many munici-
palities in their own sewage disposal ordinances in the interven-
ing years.

     This type of ordinance is primarily concerned with:
     1.  Requiring a sewage connection
     2.  Regulating the construction and placing of the connection
     3.  Regulating the type and quantity of waste received.

     Subsequently, many cities have been interested in further pro-
hibiting the introduction of storm waters into sanitary sewers.  Also
we find that many engineers would like to have these ordinances spell
out the restrictidns:- on what may be placed in the sewers in greater
detail.  Some of the prohibited uses can actually be permitted, they
point out, if the waste is allowed to enter the sewers in small
controlled quantities.  This presents us with the age old problem
of making the prohibition sufficiently simple and definite to satisfy
legal standards for a penal statute and at the same time recognizing
that there may be exceptions which can be made under certain circum-
stances.  Where waste requires special treatment, most of these
ordinances meet the situation with what might be called an "escape"
provision.  This is the provision which authorizes special agreements
for the treatment of such waste for extra compensation.
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     One of the reasons that there is little difficulty in enforcing
these ordinances is that the producer of waste which may cause a
problem is usually of a size or character which makes him stand out
like a sore thumb.  In checking this source out, it is the usual
routine matter and it can readily be determined whether it will be
necessary for him to develop a preliminary treatment facility,
whether a special agreement for extra treatment expense will be
necessary, and so forth.

     Occasionally when a sewer line is first extended someone who
already has a working septic tank will object to the requirement
that he hook up to the new sewer.  This is usually more of an annoy-
ance than a serious threat to enforceability of the ordinance.  This
is usually a matter of public relations more than anything else.

     We are trying to make this sewage treatment ordinance a little
more elastic by adding what we sometimes call an escape provision,
that is a provision for a special agreement to treat wastes which
do not conform to the requirements of the ordinance.  In other
words, if an industrial plant, plating plant has a waste which is
too highly acid, we might make a special agreement with that in-
dustry that will treat it but they will have to pay a sur charge
for the privilege of dumping it into the sewage system.  There
have been other developments in this sewage ordinance in recent
times, and you will find in the most modern ordinances, some addition-
al provisions.  They relate primarily to the placing of the wastes
in the system which contain certain metals, and the ones that I see
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copper or chromium.  Among other additional prohibitions which haye
recently come into vogue in a number of ordinances is the restriction
against using any radio-active wastes in the system.  All of the
ordinances contain the usual prohibition against dumping in wastes
that are too hot, too greasy or that contains flamable liquids or
which contains solids large enough to obstruct the sewer.  I think
that indicates pretty well what the ordinance enforcement possibilities
are in the cities and villages.

     Summing up, I would like to point out to you that although the
municipalities can't take too much credit for the initiative in this
field, the initiative is all with the State,  Nevertheless, they have
taken it tremendously forward in the past 25 years and have expended
huge sums of money in order to provide treatment for industrial
wastes.  Secondly, I would like to point out to you that the tendency,
the direction in which municipalities are going as far as enforce-
ment is concerned, is to provide whatever treatment is necessary to
take care of the wastes generated.  There is no tendency so far as
I can see to attempt to prohibit the generation and dumping of this
waste into the treatment plant where if at all possible they will
accept and treat it.  Thank you.

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     TOWNSHIPS' RESPONSIBILITIES  IN WATER  POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
                              By
             Joseph A.  Parisl, Jr., Executive Director
                 Michigan Townships Association
     In cooperation with John H.  Bauckham of Kalamazoo, Legal Counsel
for Michigan Townships Association,  I am pleased to present to this
conference, the Townships'  responsibilities for Water Pollution Law
Enforcement.

     At the outset I want to assure  this Conference that the associa-
tion which I represent, is in complete  accord with water pollution
programs, presently under study.
     Our principle concern, however, is in the matter of financing
any obligations which will be imposed by Federal or State Statutes,
or a combination of both.
     This presentation deals with ordinance making powers of the
townships, financing and Joint contracts with other municipalities,
as well as with existing industry.
1.  Ordinance Powers

     In addition to the township board  being designated a board of
health with authority to control sources of sickness and disease
(M.S.A. Sec.  14.63), Michigan Public Act 39 of  1963  (5.45  (l))
authorizes the township board to adopt  ordinances  regulating  "public
health."  It is generally felt that  this ordinance power would extend
to all phases of the regulation of public health and makes  the board
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of public health and makes the board of health provisions rather sur-
plusage.  Under such ordinance powers it is  our opinion that the
township board by resolution at a regular board meeting could prohibit
the contamination and unhealthy pollution of lakes  and streams within
the township.  The only requirement  is that  the ordinance be published
within ten days after adoption in a  local newspaper and recorded in
an ordinance book within seven days  after above publication.

     In addition to the foregoing statutes a township is empowered to
adopt a building code under Michigan Public  Act 185 of 1943  (M.S.A.
Sec. 5.2971 (l)).  Under this statute it can adopt  any standard code
by reference and without the necessity of publishing the entire code
in the local newspaper.  Such a code could well provide  for proper
sewage treatment of industrial waste through individual private
systems or through a public system.

     The power of the township to adopt zoning regulations also bears
on their authority in this field. A zoning  ordinance can be adopted
under Public Act 184 of 1943 (M.S.A. Sec. 5.2963  (l)).  The enabling
portion of the statute on this subject authorizes the township to
adopt provisions pertaining to the "Sanitary safety and protective
measures that shall be r.»<;uired for  such dwellings, buildings and
structures."  In addition the zoning ordinance is to be based upon
a plan which among other things deals with the  "conservation of  ...
natural resources."  In this regard, a township would be able to
restrict the location of certain trades and  businesses thereby pro-
hibiting them from bordering a lake  or stream.  In  addition they
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could regulate the use toeing employed  of property and premises with
a view to proper waste disposal and sewage treatment.

2.  Financing
     The township has the right to  enforce all of its ordinances
through its own police department,  through a  contract with the county
sheriffs' department, and/or through building and zoning  inspectors.
All ordinances can provide for a fine  of up to one  hundred dollars
and ninety days in Jail for each day that a violation exists.  The
fines do not inure to the benefit of the township and the township
must support any of its enforcement, agencies from  the general fund
of the township or from a special police protection assessment district
which can encompass either a portion or all of the  township.  In this
regard legislation would be helpful that would permit the townships
to retain fine money at least for violations  for local township
ordinances.
     The other financing problems are  concerned  with the  construction
of public sewers and sewage treatment  plants. Under Act  312 of 1929
the township is authorized to join  with other municipalities in In-
corporating a metropolitan authority with  independent taxing and
bonding powers.  Such authorities can  be incorporated for the purpose
of sewage treatment.   The Revenue Bond Act, which  is Act  9^  of  1933
(M.S.A. Sec. 5.2731)  is also of assistance  in this  matter.   It  per-
mits townships to build sanitary sewers and treatment plants under
revenue bond proceedings which in practice  may  be  coupled with
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the streets.  The special assessment proceedings are  most  frequently
commenced under Act 188 of 1954 (M.S.A.  Sec.  5-2770 (51)).  All  such
bonding proceedings of course must be approved by the Michigan Muni-
cipal Finance Commission.  Obviously for a revenue bond proceedings
to be successful there must be available sufficient connectors to
a system to support the bond issue. The bond  obligation is retired
from service charges made against connectors  to the system.  Revenue
bond proceedings can be initiated by the township Aboard whereas
special assessment proceedings are initiated  by petition of the  owners
of not less than fifty-one percent of the property within  the district
as finally established.  In townships that have more  than  five
thousand population special assessment proceedings can be  initiated
by the township board without this petition.   However, if  owners of
twenty percent of the land oppose the proceedings then the board
must revert to the fifty-one percent petition.

     Act 342 of 1939 (M.S.A. Sec. 5.2767 (5-1)) and Act 185 of 1957
(M.S.A. Sec. 5.570(1)) authorizes the township to contract with  the
county for sewage treatment and sewage systems.  Under these acts
the township can pledge the full faith and credit of  the township
in support of any obligations necessary to be issued  by the county
and can raise funds to pay these obligations  by taxation without
limitation, by simple board action, by special assessments, by rates
and charges against users and by other available funds. The taxation
authority is further supported by article nine of 1963 Michigan
Constitution at section six.  These acts are  very useful and with
the proper attitude on the board of supervisors of the county or on
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behalf of the county road commission depending on which act is
followed, the financing of a large project  becomes a relatively simple
matter.  If a county does not have its own  treatment system and does not
wish to construct one, it may also under these acts contract with a
major city within its boundaries that does  have  such a system for the
enlargement of the system into township territories
     It is also possible to proceed under the  County Drain Commission
Act for the construction of storm drainage  and sanitary sewer
projects.  These proceedings are somewhat more complex and in our
opinion have no advantage over the proceedings which might be
followed under Acts 3^2 and 185 above referred to.

     Except in the case of a contract between  the township and  the
county the township has no authority to tax for  a sewage  treatment
system unless room is available within the  fifteen mill limitation
or the electors within the township vote to increase the  fifteen
mill limitation.  This presents a serious handicap to townships in
the financing of these projects where the county is not involved.
Legislation is greatly needed to authorize  such  taxing authority
without limitation where contracts are negotiated with cities and
metropolitan districts for such service.  Some help has been
given charter townships in this regard but  unfortunately  there  are
more unchartered townships which do not have this power.
3.   Joint Contracts

     As previously set forth, townships are authorized to contract
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of 1951 (M.S.A.  Sec.  5.^081)  authorizes inter-governmental  contracts
between any governmental units to accomplish Jointly anything which
they might accomplish individually.   Michigan Public Act  222 of 19^9
(M.S.A. Sec. 5.2770(21)) further authorizes  a township to contract
with industries concerning waste disposal.   As previously stated
however, the only Joint contracts which afford additional taxing
power are those contracts with the county.  New legislation  could
well extend this additional authority to other types of  Joint
contracts.
     There are several additional statutes which bear upon  the
question of sewage disposal and treatment and pertain to  townships
in Michigan.  I believe they are for the most part  less  significant
however than the ones to which I have herein referred.
     I hope this presentation has contributed to the Conference,
whether in a positive or negative sense. Members here are  aware
that while the will to cooperate is  present, the tools with which
townships might do the Job are somewhat restricted  and limited by
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  COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES IN WATER  POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
                              By
                       Chester C. Pierce
    Attorney for Office of Wayne County Drain Commissioner
     It was only a few weeks ago  that Great Lakes senators were
told that it would take 20 Billion Dollars over a 10 year period
to eliminate water pollution in their region.  This report was
                  /
given by H. W. Poston of Chicago, the federal director for water
pollution control in the Great  Lakes area.  Although water pollu-
tion problems are inter-related to air  pollution problems as the
disposal of various types of industrial wastes by the construction
of necessary disposal systems will result in an increased contam-
ination of air, the technology  and wealth of our State has to be
employed in a coordinated method  by the various governmental and
individual corporate businesses to reduce pollution drastically.
     At the county level, Act 306 of the Public Acts of Michigan
of 1927, M.S.A. 14.l6l provides that the Board of Supervisors of
any county in this State may provide for a County Health Department
and its various activities financed out of the general funds of the
county.  The plan of organization of a  County Health Department is
approved by the State Health Commissioner,  Section 6 of this act
being M.S.A. 14.166, provides that the  County Board of Health shall
have and exercise the same powers  and perform the same duties of a
Board of Health as conferred by law upon boards of health of town-
ships, villages and cities.  The  requirement that all rul* » promul-
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Board of Supervisors before they shall  become  effective  is further
provided in Section 6.
     There is a provision in this county act that  two or more
counties may, by a majority vote of the Board  of Supervisors of
each county and approval of the State Health Commissioner, unite
to form a district health department.   One  arm of  the County Health
Department is the division of engineering and  sanitation.  This
division concerns itself with water pollution  problems throughout
the county.  On a county level its usual policy is to notify the
offending parties of its findings and recommend remedial action.
Such action can take on various forms as the necessity of construc-
tion of sanitary sewers, sanitary treatment plants or even quasi-
storm water treatment plants.  The construction of proper Industrial
wastes have been found to pollute county streams and are injurious
to public health.  Although the enforcement provisions of county-
health laws lack the proper teeth or guidance  in order to arrive
at an enforcement solution, the County  Health  Department usually
cooperates with the Water Resources Commission to  make its findings
known where degrees of pollution are present.   Compliance with pro-
visions at the local level usually require  extended court litigation
against private or public corporations  who  are known to  pollute our
waters.  Against public corporations the remedies  are provided In
Act 245 of 1929, M.S.A. 3.521 to M.S.A. 3.532, the act creating the
Water Resources Commission, and amended by  Act 328 of 1965, M.S.A,
3.526, wherein pursuant to Act; 320 of 1927, M.S.A.  5.2667, the Mater
Resources Commission can seek remedies  in cooperation with the
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County Health Department  against  any city, village or township  in
a court of competent jurisdiction in this  state.  When a govern-
mental unit cooperates in an endeavor to eliminate pollution, re-
sults are achieved.   An example of use  of  this type of cooperation
was shown through the installation of a five million dollar system
in the Township of Grosse lie through the  use of the Water Resources
Commission and cooperation of the township and drain commissioner's
office.  After trial of such matters in the circuit court of said
county, the local governmental unit  can issue so-called court order
bonds for the construction of the proper sewage disposal facility.
An example of use of court order  bonds  litigation was the construc-
tion of a million dollar system for  the City of Rivervlew through
the use of this chapter.   Our courts have  held that such court  order
bonds may be issued and taxes levied for their payment in excess of
statutory or charter tax limitations.  It  is my view that Act 328
of 1965, will permit townships to exceed the 15 mill constitutional
limitation on the basis of court  ordered bonds as well as Article
IX, Section 6 of the Constitution of 1963, wherein the language
employed therein states that:  "The  foregoing limitations shall not
apply to taxes Imposed for the payment  of  assessments or contract
obligations in anticipation of which bonds are issued."  In my  view,
Public Act 328, a portion of Section 6, Sub-section  (c), which  reads
as follows:  "Whenever a court of competent  jurisdiction in this
state shall have ordered the installation  of a sewage disposal  sys-
                                     t
tern in any township, and the plans therefor  shall have been prepared,
and approved by the state health commissioner, the township shall
have authority to issue and sell the necessary bonds  for the  con-
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struction and installation thereof,  including the disposal plant
and such intercepting and other sewers as may be necessary to per-
mit the effective operation of such  system.  Such bonds shall be
issued in the same manner as provided for in Act No. 320 of the
Public Acts of 1927,  being Sections  123.241 to 123.253, of the Com-
piled Laws of 1948; or any other act providing for the issuance of
bonds in townships;" will permit townships to exceed the 15 mill
limitations through the use of court ordered bonds.  As prior to
the amendment of this act, the townships were mentioned fcufc no pro-
visions were employed to provide for the issuance of court ordered
bonds and their applications to township disposal plants and inter-
ceptor sewer problems.   However, it  is my belief that under this
act and under Chapter 20 of Act 40 of the Public Acts of Michigan
of 1956, as amended,  our courts would sustain the use of these two
acts to exceed the 15 mill constitutional limitation because Article
IX, Section 6, of our present Constitution contains the following
language:  "The foregoing limitations shall not apply to taxes im-
posed for the payment of principal and interest on bonds or other
evidences of indebtedness or for the  payment of assessments or con-
tract obligations in anticipation of which bonds are issued, which
taxes may be imposed without limitation as to rate or amount	"
     A great amount of work in pollution law enforcement and abate-
ment has been accomplished in the counties of Wayne, Oakland and
Macomb through the use of Chapter 20 of the Drain Code.  Act 40 of
the Public Acts of Michigan of 1956, provides a simple method for
public corporations,  and as employed in that act, it means counties,
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villages, townships and any other authorities or districts created
pursuant to state statutes to build  and  construct public improve-
ment projects like sanitary drains,  storm water drains or sanitary
and storm water treatment plants that  are necessary to the public
health of the various governmental units.   In these three counties
alone, over one hundred twenty million dollars in public improve-
ment projects have been constructed  during  the past eight year
period.  Its companion, Chapter 21,  which permits cooperation be-
tween governmental units located in  adjacent counties has permitted
Macomb and Wayne County to construct a semi-storm water treatment
facility at a cost of eight million  dollars.  The advantage of
using this act is that county bonds  are  issued with the full faith
and credit of the local governmental units  and the full faith and
credit of the county pledged for their payment in order to pay  for
the public improvement to be constructed.   Because all these bonds
are in the nature of public health bonds, the local units of govern-
ment are permitted to exceed their statutory and charter tax limi-
tations to retire these bonds.  After  full  payment for the bonds
the system becomes a local system.  Other acts available to counties
are the D.P.W. Act and Act 342 of 1939,  or  Act 185 of 1957.
     Act 222 of 19^9, provides for the acceptance of grants or  aid
to prevent and abate water pollution,  M.S.A. 5.2770  (21), Section
1, of that act provides:  "As used in  this  act, unless a different
meaning clearly appears from the content:  (a) The term  'public
corporation' shall be construed to mean  any county,  city, village,
township or metropolitan district, of  the State of Michigan, or any
authority created by or pursuant to  an act  of the legislature.

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(b)  The term 'governing body'  shall  be  construed to mean, In the
case of a county, the board of  supervisors;  in the  case of a  city,
the council, common Council, commission  or other body having legis-
lative powers; in the case of a village, the council, common council,
commission, board of trustees or other body  having  legislative powers;
in the case of a township, the  township  board; in the case of a
metropolitan district, the legislative body  of the  district; and
in the case of an authority, the body in which is lodged general
governing powers."
     Section 2 of the act provides:   "Any  public corporation is
hereby authorized to apply for  and accept  grants or any other aid
which the United States government or any  agency thereof has author-
ized or may hereafter authorize to be given  or made to the several
states of the United States or  to any political subdivisions or
agencies thereof within the states for the construction of public
improvements, including all necessary action preliminary thereto,
the purpose of which is to aid  in the prevention or abatement of
water pollution."
     Section 3 of said act is unique  in  that it permits agreements
between industries to treat the disposal of  Industrial waste, and
that section reads as follows:   "Any  public  corporation is further
authorized to accept contributions and other aid from industries
for the purpose of aiding in the prevention  or abatement of water
pollution and in furtherance of such  purpose to enter into contracts
and agreements with industries  covering  the  following:
     (a)  The collection, treatment and  disposal of sewage and
     industrial wastes from industries;

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     (b)   The use and operation by any such public corporation of
     sewage collection,  treatment and/or disposal facilities owned
     by any Industry;

     (c)   The coordination of the sewage collection, treatment and/
     or disposal facilities of the public corporation with the sew-
     age collection,  treatment and/or disposal facilities of any
     industry;

     (d)   When determined  by Its governing body to be in the public
     Interest and necessary for the protection of the public health,
     any public corporation Is authorized to enter into and perform
     contracts, whether  long-term or short-term, with any industrial
     establsihment for the provision and operation by the public
     corporation of sewerage facilities to abate or reduce the pollu-
     tion of waters caused by discharges of industrial wastes by the
     industrial establishment and the payment periodically by the
     industrial establishment to the public corporation of amounts
     at least sufficient,  In the determination of such governing
     body, to compensate the public corporation for the cost of
     providing (including  payment of principal and interest charges,
     if any), and of operating and maintaining the sewerage facil-
     ities serving such  industrial establishment:  Provided, That
     the exercise by any public corporation of such powers outside
     of its corporate limits shall be subject to the legal rights
     of the political subdivision within which such powers are to
     be exercised and shall also be subject to any and all consti-
     tutional and statutory provisions relating thereto."


     These sections can  also be employed with Act 35 of 1951, M.S.A.

5.^081, readtgas follows:  Section 1.   "For the purposes of this

act 'municipal corporation1 shall mean any county, township charter,

township, city or village, school district, metropolitan district,

court district, public authority, or drainage district as defined

by Act No. 316 of the Public Acts of 1923, as amended, being Sec-

tions 261.1 to 278.27, Inclusive of the Compiled Laws of 19^, or

any other local governmental authority or local agency with power

to enter into contractual  undertakings."


     Section 2.  "Any municipal  corporation  shall have power to

Join with any other municipal  corporation, or with any number or

combination thereof by contract, or otherwise as may be permitted


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by law, for the •wnershlp,  operation,  or performance,  jointly, or
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by any 1 or more on behalf  of all,  of  any property,  facility or
service which each would have the power to  own, operate or perform
separately."

     Section 3.  "Any municipal corporation shall have the right to
contract with any person or any other  municipal corporation to fur-
nish to property outside the corporate limits  of the first municipal
corporation for an adequate consideration,  any lawful  municipal
service which it is furnishing to property  within its  corporate
limits.  For the purposes of this section,  'person'  shall mean any
person, firm, corporation,  the United  States government, or the
state or any of its subdivisions."

     Section 4.  "Nothing contained in this act shall  be construed
to grant the right to Jointly own or operate a public  utility for
supplying transportation, gas, light,  telephone service, or electric
power except as may be provided by  the statutes or  constitution of
the State of Michigan, nor  to contract to furnish municipal services
outside corporate limits except in  accordance  with  the constitutional
limitations on such sale.  Nothing  contained in this act shall be
construed as to grant to municipal  corporations acting Jointly any
power or authority which they do not have acting singly."
     Knowing that county government should  move ahead  to abate
water pollution, what type  of action is needed.  First,  I believe
the Water Resources Commission should  be delegated  the sole state
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implemented to permit the commission to delegate its enforcement
powers on a county regional basis.   The Water* Resources Commission
could establish regional deputy planning and enforcement centers
built around county areas with various pollution problems.  Indus-
trial counties in close proximity to each  other could be grouped
together as one area.  Agricultural areas  with problems like the
pickle industry is another deputized area.  Each deputy regional
director would be responsible for programs to eliminate pollution
in his area.  I believe also, that  the Water Resources Commission
should sponsor legislation to broaden the  aspects of Act 62 of the
Michigan Public Acts of 1963.  This Is an  act relating to  indus-
trial development, to authorize municipalities to acquire  indus-
trial buildings and sites, to provide for  the financing of such
buildings by the issuance of revenue, bonds, etc.  The act should
be amended to include the building  of regional industrial  or needed
waste disposal plants on a regional basis  with the lease provisions
of the act employed to pay for such plants on a revenue basis.  The
State Legislature should make available  sufficient appropriations
for research centers to aid in industrial  or agricultural  waste
disposal methods in the various deputized  pollution regional cen-
ters.  The elimination of water pollution  through the  collection,
treatment and disposal of sewage and Industrial wastes  from Indus-
tries on a regional basis can be better  accomplished than  on a
single basis.  Tax relief for industry  so  that waste treatment
facilities be free from real and personal  property taxation is
another measure needed in our state. Air  pollution  facilities  are
exempt from real and personal taxation under provisions of Act  250

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of 1965, and treatment facilities should be likewise.  A  combined
action from one central authority will be better than  unilateral
or separate action by various governmental units.   Such a law would
permit uniformity of control and cooperation with the  various units
of government and business involved.   Approaching the  problem of
industrial waste disposal on a regional basis would be more econ-
omical and practical.  As proof of this, Michigan can  point with
pride at its accomplishments in the field of certification of sew-
age plant operation.  This program has resulted in higher quality
and more efficient plant operation.

     The Governor of the State of New York has on the  ballot today
a one billion dollar bond issue for his state to fight pollution.
The State of New York, under this program, would contribute 60 per
cent of the cost and the local government 40 per cent  of  the cost
to control and eliminate pollution problems.  I believe our counties
should support such a daring program of state and local government
aid and cooperation to eliminate pollution.  Such a vast  bonding
pollution control program could be financed by a water and sewage
rate increases on a regional basis or by a combination of methods
consisting of water and sewage rates, industrial lease charges, if
industrial waste disposal plants were built and an at  large one
mill regional tax levy for pollution cleanup to benefit regional
public health.  A repeal of the constitutional prohibition against
state credit to local regional governmental units wherein the state
could pledge its full faith and credit behind local regional bond
issues has also been recommended as a measure to lower the total
cost of pollution abatement to local regional units of government.
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     The time for bold action  is here.  Michigan	the water wonder-
land of the world should  lead  the way.
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   ENFORCEMENT OF THE FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM
                               By
                          Murray Stein
                    Chief Enforcement Officer
          Division of Water Supply and Pollution Control
         IT. S. Department of Health, Education,  and Welfare
     Federal authority over water pollution has changed dramatically
in character and direction in the past six decades.  We have pro-
gressed in 66 years from the earliest specific water pollution  con-
trol legislation which considered pollution only as  an obstacle to
navigation (The Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899) to the most recent
water pollution control legislation which has as its stated purpose...
"to enhance the quality and value of our water resources  and to
establish a national policy for the prevention, control and abate-
ment of water pollution" (The Water Quality Act of 1965).

     The Federal legislation in the intervening years  illustrates
the growing national awareness and concern over the  Increasing  pol-
lution of our valuable water resources.  At first, water  pollution
control legislation took a narrow, limited approach  to pollution
control.  Later, a more comprehensive approach was taken  which  was
admittedly experimental, and resulting from this the Federal Water
Pollution Control Act was enacted and twice amended.
     Three early legislative acts are indicative of  the limited ap-
proach.  We have already mentioned a provision of the  Rivers and
Harbors Act of 1899 which prohibited the discharge or  deposit Into
any navigable waters of any refuse matter except that  which flowed
in a liquid state from streets and sewers.  The Public Health Service
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Act of 1912 recognized the health hazards of pollution by author-
izing Investigations of water pollution related to  disease.  The
Oil Pollution Act of 1924 was designed to control oil  discharges
In coastal waters damaging to aquatic life,  harbors, docks, and
recreational facilities.

     Comprehensive water pollution control legislation narrowly
missed final enactment or approval In 1936,  1938, and  1940.  A  land-
mark year for the Federal program was 1948 with the enactment of
the Water Pollution Control Act of 1948, creating the  first compre-
hensive program for pollution control.  This law was experimental
and originally limited in duration for a period of  five  years.  It
was extended for an additional three years,  to June 30,  1956.

     The Federal Water Pollution Control Act, enacted  In July of
1936, was the first comprehensive pollution control legislation of
a permanent nature.  The ACT; greatly strengthened and  expanded  the
Federal role, and provided the basis for our present program.   The
Act was administered by the Surgeon General of the  Public Health
Service under the supervision and direction of the  Secretary of
Health, Education, and Welfare.  This Act:
     1.  Reaffirmed the policy of Congress to recognize, preserve,
         and protect the primary responsibilities and  rights of
         the States in preventing and controlling water pollution;
     2.  Authorized continued Federal-State cooperation in  the
         development of comprehensive programs for  the control  of
         water pollution;
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     3.   Authorized Increased technical assistance to States and
         broadened and Intensified  research by using the research
         potential of universities  and other Institutions outside
         of government;
     4.   Authorized collection and  dissemination of basic data on
         water quality relating  to  water pollution prevention and
         control;

     5.   Directed  the Surgeon General  to continue to encourage
         Interstate compacts and uniform laws;

     6.   Authorized grants to States and Interstate agencies up to
         $3,000,000 a year for the  next five years for water pollu-
         tion control activities;

     7.   Authorized Federal grants  of  $50,000,000  (up to an aggre-
         gate of $500,000,000) for  the construction of municipal treatment
         works, the amount for any  one project not to exceed 30$
         of cost,  or $250,000, whichever is smaller;
     8.   Modified  and simplified procedures governing Federal abate-
         ment actions against interstate pollution; and,
     9.   Authorized a cooperative program  to control pollution
         from Federal Installations.

     The Act was amended in July of 1961 to provide for a still more
effective program  of water pollution control.  The 1961 amendments
Improved and strengthened the Act by	
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     1.   Extending Federal authority to enforcement abatement of
         Intrastate as well as  Interstate pollution of navigable
         or Interstate waters and  strengthening enforcement proce-
         dures;

     2.   Increasing the  authorized annual $50 million Federal
         financial assistance to municipalities, for the construc-
         tion of waste treatment works;

     3.   Intensifying research  toward more effective methods of
         pollution control and  authorizing the establishment of
         field laboratories and research facilities;

     4.   Extending for seven years, until June 30, 1968, and in-
         creasing Federal financial support of State and interstate
         pollution control programs by raising the annual appropri-
         ations authorization from $3 million to $5 million;

     5.   Authorizing the inclusion of storage for regulating stream
         flow for the purpose of water quality control In the sur-
         vey or planning stage  of  Federal reservoirs and impound-
         ments;  and,
     6.   Designating the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare,
         to administer the Act.

     The October 1965 amendments,  which may be cited as the Water
Quality Act of 1965 have considerably enlarged and broadened the
scope of the Federal water pollution control program.  Yet, consis-
tent with the policy declaration of the 1948 Act, the 1956 Act and
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the 1961 amendments, the Water Quality Act of  1965 declares the
policy of Congress to be "...to recognize, preserve, and protect
the primary responsibilities and rights  of the States in preventing
and controlling water pollution, to  support and aid technical re-
search relating to the prevention and  control  of water pollution,
and to provide Federal technical services and  financial aid to
State and interstate agencies and to municipalities in connection
with the prevention and control of water pollution."
     The new amendments further strengthen the Federal program by:

     1.  Creating a Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
         in the Department  of Health,  Education, and Welfare;

     2.  Authorizing a new  four year grant program of $20 million
         each year, for the development  of new and better methods
         of dealing with the pollution problem of overflows from
         combined storm and sanitary sewers;
     3.  Increasing the annual appropriations  for Federal grants,
         both single and mult1-municipal projects, and offering a
         10 percent bonus in the amount  of grants for projects which
         are part of approved metropolitan area plans; and,
     4.  Providing for the  establishment of water quality standards
         applicable to interstate streams, with the Federal govern-
         ment acting only in the absence of acceptable action by a
         State with respect to the interstate  waters in that State.

     Thus, as provided by statute, through Federal, State and local

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cooperation and coordination,  the Federal water pollution control
program approaches the complex national problem of water pollution
in three ways:  technical and  financial assistance, research, and
enforcement.  All stimulate voluntary action.  Where such voluntary
action is not forthcoming, enforcement authority can make remedial
action mandatory.  Abatement of  pollution,  is the aim and purpose
of all three of these coordinated program areas.

     The enforcement Jurisdiction covers pollutional interference
with any legitimate water uses.  Its application is mandatory at
the request of a State Governor, a  State water pollution control
agency, or a municipality in whose  request  the Governor and the
State agency concur, when the  pollution  crosses State lines to the
detriment of the health or welfare  of persons in the receiving State.
An enforcement action may be called at the  request of a Governor of
any State on pollution of interstate or navigable waters which en-
dangers the health or welfare  of persons only in the requesting
State.  Enforcement action must  also be taken by the Federal govern-
ment without State request, when on the  basis of reports, surveys,
or studies, Interstate pollution endangering health or welfare is
found to be occurring.  The new  amendments  to the Federal Water
Pollution Control Act expand enforcement authority by empowering
the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to initiate enforce-
ment procedures whenever he finds that substantial economic injury
results from the inability to  market shellfish or  shellfish products
in interstate commerce because of pollution of  interstate or navi-
gable waters, and the action of Federal, State or  local  authorities.
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     Although enforcement Jurisdiction has  now been  extended,  I be-
lieve it is a measure of the success of the enforcement program
that no changes were made in the enforcement procedures.

     I would like to explain these procedures now  for those who are
not familiar with them, and then discuss some of the enforcement
actions we have taken.

     Federal authority is asserted in three distinct stages:   (l)
the conference, (2) the public hearing, and, (3) court action.
Each successive step is taken only if the one preceding is unsuc-
cessful in securing compliance with the recommended  pollution  abate-
ment measures.  State action to remedy the  pollution is encouraged,
and State and Federal interests are fully coordinated.

     The conference brings together representatives  of the Federal
government and the State and interstate agencies concerned.  It in-
quires into the occurrence of pollution subject to abatement,  the
adequacy of measures taken to abate it, and the delays, if any,
that are being encountered.  The conferees  may agree upon a schedule
of required remedial measures, or in the absence of  adequate scien-
tific and technical data, may agree that further study is necessary
before a schedule is established.  The States are  encouraged to
obtain compliance under their own laws when an agreed upon remedial
schedule has been established, and are allowed at  least six months
to take the necessary actions.  If the conferees are unable to reach
agreement on a program of remedial action,  the Secretary  of Health,
Education, and Welfare, may issue his own recommendations.
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     In the event that failure to take remedial action necessitates
recourse to the public hearing stage, the alleged polluters, whether
an industry, individual or governmental unit are made direct partici-
pants before a Hearing Board appointed by the Secretary.  Findings
are made by the Hearing Board on the evidence presented, and it
recommends to the Secretary the measures which must be taken to
secure the abatement of the pollution.  The Secretary sends these
findings and recommendations to the polluters and to the State
agencies, together with a notice specifying a reasonable time, which
may not be less than six months, to secure abatement of the pollu-
tion.
     If there Is no compliance with the hearing recommendations
after six months, the Secretary may request the Attorney General
to bring suit on behalf of the United States to secure abatement
of the pollution.  The written consent of the Governor is necessary
to proceed with court action in an intrastate pollution matter.
     We consider the conference step of enforcement procedures to
be the most important.  Even though it is only the first step,  it
is frequently the only step necessary.  Of the 37 enforcement
actions held to date, only 4 have proceeded to the public hearing
stage, and one of these 4 hearings, that on Corney Creek, was
called under the provisions of the 1948 Act, which provided for
the hearing as the first step of enforcement procedures.  A single
case has required court action. This  record attests  to the success
of the conference as a means of determining the pollution problems
and stimulating the necessary action to abate pollution.
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     Any formal statement of how a conference can be called  and the
statutory requirements of the conference procedure cannot  explain
what the conference really Is and how It really works.
     The conference, first and most Important, Is not an adversary
proceeding, although In a few Instances the conferees,  and these
were ro$ the Federal conferees, considered the conference  as suon.
We believe the conference Is Just what the word says—it is  a formal
consultation or discussion, and interchange of views, where  differ-
ences are adjusted.  When all parties concerned approach the con-
ference with this view, we find that pollution problems are  more
openly discussed, mutual concessions frequently made, and  detailed
plans of action developed.  The conference operates informally.
No strict rules of evidence are applied and all statements offered
are accepted regardless of relevance.  Each of the conferees may
bring as many people as he wishes to participate in the conference.
The participants at any of the conferences represent many  different
groups or Interests.  Of course, only the conferees who are  the
representatives of the Department of Health, Education, and  Welfare
and the official State and Interstate agencies may make the  conclu-
sions and recommendations of the conference.  The conferences are
always open to the public and we have found that public support of
pollution abatement programs Is an immeasurable aid in  stimulating
remedial action on the part of Industries, municipalities  and even
Federal installations.

     Since the first Federal water pollution control enforcement
action was held in 1957, great progress has been made in bringing
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about the abatement of pollution throughout the  country.  Every
section of the country and many different  types  of pollution prob-
lems have been covered.  Several actions have  been taken on the
major waterways of the country—the Mississippi  River, the Missouri
River, the Colorado River, the Detroit  River,  the Hudson River,
Fillet Sound, Raritan Bay, Lake Michigan in the Chicago-Gary, Indiana
area, and Lake Erie, to name a few.   We have covered over 7,000
miles of stream at the 37 conferences,  and this  figure does not
include lake and ocean waters.

     The pollution problems encountered in these enforcement actions
have been of almost every kind, in many differert types of water-
ways, in varying degrees of complexity.  Pulp  and paper wastes, un-
treated or inadequately treated sewage,  storm  sewer runoff, uranium
milling wastes, salinity both man-made  and natural, textile mill
wastes, pesticides and meat packing wastes discharged into small
streams, giant rivers, streams with high flow, low flow or both,
lakes, bays and ocean harbors, are representative of the problems
we have dealt with.  These wastes alone or in  any combination  can,
and have created tremendous problems.
     At the conference, the Federal government and the offleal State
and interstate pollution control agencies  try  to find answers  to
problems of this sort, and at times we  Just don't have any.  In such
instances the conferees have unanimously recommended the establish-
ment of a technical study project to supply the  necessary informa-
tion to develop solutions to the problems.
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     At present, eight such projects,  evolving directly out of th«
conferences by recommendation of the conferees are  In existence.
These projects are on the Colorado River Basin, Rarltan Bay, the
South Platte River Basin, the Upper Mississippi River in the Twin
Cities area, in Washington State concerned mainly with  Puget Sound,
the Monongahela River concerned with the problem  of acid mine
drainage, the Merrlmack River and the Detroit  River.

     The Detroit River conference and resultant Project provides a
fine example of how the conference procedure works  and  the knowledge
that can be developed by a detailed technical  study.

     The conference on pollution of the navigable waters of the
Detroit River and Lake Erie and their tributaries within the State
of Michigan was requested on December 6, 196l, by John  B. Swainson,
then Governor of Michigan.  The conference was called by the Secre-
tary of Health, Education, and Welfare, and was held on March 27-28,
1962, In Detroit.  The conferees were representatives of the Michi-
gan Water Resources Commission and the Department of Health, Educa-
tion, and Welfare.  The conferees agreed that  pollution from various
municipal and industrial sources subject to abatement under the
Federal Act was occurring in the conference area.  They agreed that
this pollution caused interference with municipal and industrial
water supplies, fisheries resources, commercial and sport fishing,
swimming, water skiing, pleasure boating, and  other forms of recrea-
tion.  The conferees then agreed that it was too  early  to make an
adequate Judgment on the adequacy of measures  taken to  abate pollu-
tion because of the many gaps in the knowledge of sources and effects
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of this pollution.  It was recommended that  the Department of Health,
Education, and Welfare initiate an investigation  and study to gather
data and information on the waters involved, in order to  close the
gaps in the knowledge of sources of pollution, nature and effects
of the pollution, appropriate methods of abatement  and  aooropriate
methods to avoid delays in abatement.

     A resident study project was established and the work was
carried on in close cooperation with the Michigan Department of Health
and the Michigan Water Resources Commission. The Project, running
2 1/2 years, staffed by 30 men, and costing  $750,000, .accomplished
what it set out to do.  Shortly after the completion of the study,
the conference reconvened for a second session on June  15-18, 19&5.
The Project's findings and recommendations,  presented in  a definitive
report, were adopted by the conferees.  The  Michigan water pollution
control authorities are now vigorously putting the  conference rec-
ommendations into effect.

     The recent conference on the entire area of  Lake Erie within
the United States presented one of our most  difficult pollution
problems.  The area of water covered by this conference was  so  large,
and concerned so many sources of wastes that two  conference  sessions
held a week apart were necessary to consider the  highly complex
municipal, industrial, and biological problems.   The conference
first convened on August 3-5, 1965 at Cleveland,  Ohio,  and was
reconvened at Buffalo, New York, on August 10-12.  The  States of
Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York were  Involved.
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     The problem of major concern on Lake Erie is that  of eutro-
phlcatlon or over-fertilization.   Problems are occurring along the
Lake shoreline, at some water intakes, and throughout the Lake from
algal growths stimulated by nutrients.  The Federal report,  based
on studies of Lake Erie made over the past two years, stated that
reduction of one or more of these nutrients can retard  or control
the algal growths.  We are confident that the reduction of soluble
phosphates through conventional treatment processes will slow the
now accelerated eutrophication to a more natural, normal rate.
There is no doubt that control of the pollution of Lake Erie will
be a great step forward in preserving and protecting the Great Lakes,
our greatest fresh water resources.
     The Federal Water Pollution Control Program has made tremendous
progress in a few short years.  But all this progress is really Just
a step in the right direction.  And while we have been  taking steps,
pollution of our waters has been advancing with great strides.

     In the future we will all have to do much more. Prevention
of pollution in both surface and ground water supplies  will  be im-
perative; otherwise I doubt if we can ever ggt ahead, let alone
catch up, with this nation's pollution problems.
     To cope with the rising tide of pollution more research, tech-
nical and financial aid, and greater enforcement of water pollution
control laws at local, State and Federal levels will be necessary.
This all must be done now, before the irresponsible damages  to our
water resources become irreversible.
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     Some states have taken drastic  action In providing  financial
assistance to Industries and communities  and some  states have taken
action in cooperating and working with a  forthright program.  I
don't think there is any state second to  Michigan  in  -caking action
in developing a program within Its resources and giving  the tax-
payers a dollar's worth of work for  every dollar they put  In, be-
cause in my opinion, there is not a  water pollution control pro-
gram in any state of the union that  is any better  than you have
in Michigan today and we hope we can keep that  cooperative program
going with you.  God bless you.  Thank you very much.
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                   THE ROLE OF THE SCIENTIST
                               By
                 Dr.  Leon W.  Weinberger,  Chief
               Basic and Applied Sciences Branch
         Division of Water Supply and Pollution Control
       U.S. Department of Health, Education,  and Welfare
     The title of my presentation is "The Role  of the  Scientist"
but I wish to point out that I shall not  discuss  the role of the
federal scientist.  As a matter of fact,  I am delighted  that Mr.
Powers spoke before me, because he is an  engineer-scientist who
is held in high regard throughout the scientific  community.  He
was in private industry, spent some time  with the government and
returned to industry.  I'm a university professor who  changed  to
the federal government - and we have had  many federal  employees
who have gone to Industry and universities.

     The point is there should not be such titles as a federal
scientist, a State scientist, an industrial scientist, or a scien-
tist from a university.  Presumably they  all work with the same
rule:  To develop facts and information to be used by  the public,
by legislatures, and by administrators as a basis for  making deci-
sions.  Unfortunately, scientists sometimes make  decisions which
are beyond their technical competence.
     In talking about the scientist, I will speak in terms of  the
physical scientist, that is, the chemist, physicist, biological
scientist, medical scientist and the social scientist, who has a
very important role in water pollution control.  Also  I  include
the engineer in this category.

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     In the field of pollution control,  the scientist  has provided
many answers which have resulted in water quality improvements.
As discussed this morning, there are certain cases of  pollution
for which we have the technical answers.  Pollution can often be
identified without high powered analytical tools.   Scientific anal-
yses are not needed when the senses of smell and sight have been
offended.  We have developed many treatment methods for controlling
pollution.
     The research scientist provides new or improved answers to
problems that need to be solved and for which we do not have an
acceptable solution.  There was also some discussion this morning
concerning the relative roles of the scientist and the legal pro-
fession involved in enforcement.  I'm not quite sure whether there
should be a casting of "good guys" or "bad guys."  When I first
entered government some of my colleagues thought that  the people
in the scientific community were the "good guys" - they were the
ones who were trying to be helpful.  The enforcement guys were the
"bad guys" - they're the ones who were forcing people  to carry out
a. decision.  There can be little doubt that the research scientist
and the men in enforcement seek the same goal - to reduce control
and abate pollution.  And they do work together.
     In the last few years I think that perhaps the scientist,
with his improved analytical techniques, improved methods to re-
late impurities and pollutional effects, and new methods of treat-
ment, is the one who is "putting the teeth" in enforcement.
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     The scientist deals with facts, but seldom with absolute val-
ues.  I suggest that one principal area which should be better
understood by those who are attempting to develop effective legis-
lation and to enforce our pollution laws, is that scientists usu-
ally do not have absolute answers.  This however does not detract
from the significance and Importance of the answers.  The scientist
deals with average values, ranges, probabilities, and with safety
factors.  This Is part of the scientific process.  We cannot easily
define the complex relationships in the field of water resources
and water quality control.  The scientist is frequently required
to make conclusions based on the best availabe Information without
carrying out additional work.  Such a conclusion should be consid-
ered as the best Interpretation of the data at a particular time -
an Interpretation which might change with the development of addi-
tional data.  Certainly this is not a new concept but it appears
that it is often forgotten.

     When scientists and engineers disagree about physical facts,
it can be attributed to any one of several possible causes.   One
is the lack of adequate data.  Second, when the scientist begins
deviating from scientific discourse toward political decisions,
there can be some unwarranted extrapolation and distortion.   Third Is
 inaccurate reporting, whether deliberate or inadvertent.   We must
have reliable data and objective analysis as the basis for our
discussions.  If agreement cannot be reached on physical facts,
the data and/or the Interpreters may be Inadequate and steps should
be taken to correct the situation.

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     As scientists, we wish to cooperate  with legislatures, with
the public, and with all those concerned  with water pollution  con-
trol.  I'm sure many of you have heard scientists  say,  if only the
legislators would provide us with better  laws and  conversely legis-
lators say, if only we had precise scientific data upon which  we
could establish criteria or standards.

     What is the specific role of the scientist  concerned with water
pollution?  First, the scientist has a key role  in determining the
relationship between impurity and water use.   This consists of
measuring the effects of a contaminant or Impurity and  of deriving
scientific information to be used as a basis  for establishing  water
requirements for all uses.  A good scientist  works to establish
universally-acceptable scientific tests to measure cause-and-effect
relationships.  This is a very difficult  task primarily because we
do not have absolute factors; we are dealing  with  biological organ-
isms from microbes to man.  The effects may be physiological  (acute
or chronic), economic, or aesthetic.
     Second, the scientist is involved in developing methods to
measure the various Impurities at a wide  range of  concentrations.
This, again, is not a simple task.  Some  water pollution  investi-
gations during the last few years have required  the measurement of
concentrations of one part per billion or a few  parts per trillion
of pollutants.  These quantities are so small that they are diffi-
cult to comprehend.  We are developing tools, as mentioned this
morning, which will enable us to determine these facts  with the
necessary accuracy and precision so that  pollution may  be controlled
and  laws enforced.
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     Third, the scientist is concerned with the fate of an impurity
after it is introduced into the water environment.   Waste from an
industry, a municipality, an agricultural land drainage, or an im-
purity from a natural source follows a very complicated hydrologic
path from its origin to the point of containment such as the ocean.
The interaction of these pollutants with fie aquatic environment,
including aquatic life, is something which the scientist is trying
to define in more precise terms.
     Fourth, he is developing new and improved treatment methods
so that any impurity can be controlled and reduced to any level.

     The reduction of pollutant levels points to the difference be-
tween a scientific solution and an engineering solution.  From a
scientific point of view, we can remove as much of the impurities
from any waste as we desire; this has been possible for many years
and is an experiment performed by almost every high school student.
We can distill water or double or triple distill it to remove im-
purities; this is a solution from the scientific point of view,
but it Is not necessarily a practical or engineering solution.   In
engineering, we must be concerned with the economics of removing
Impurities from wastes.  Many new processes, in effect today, are
no more than laboratory curiosities.  Our efforts are to convert
these curiosities to practical, economical, engineering realities.

     Fifth, the scientist Is interested in developing techniques
to control pollution at the source.  As Mr. Powers mentioned, the
role of industrial managers is to watch the methods by which chem-
icals are produced and to modify production processes to reduce
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pollution.  Pollution from agricultural  lands may likewise be  re-
duced by improved land management.

     Finally, one area of research in which limited  work  has been
done is in the socio-economic aspects of pollution control.  In
general, the social scientist is trying  to develop methods by  which
we can equate various suggested solutions to a  problem; with a
problem such as water pollution, there are, generally, many possi-
ble solutions.  The public is called upon frequently to make the
decision, that is, to select the best among various  alternates.
In socio-economic research, we are trying to develop methods to
make this choice easier.

     I've heard it said that scientific  research is  carried out to
permit polluters to continue the pollution of our streams.  This
cannot and will not be said of our national research program.  The
scientist should not be used as a person to justify  continued  pol-
lution of our resources.  He has a vital role in bringing about
water pollution control.  He provides more and  better answers  for
water pollution abatement.  He is developing better  tools to assess
and to demonstrate the effects of pollutants.  Also, the  scientist
and engineer are modifying and improving techniques  for treatment
which were considered unfeasible or uneconomical but which now more
communities and more industries can afford to install.
     In summary, the role of the scientist can perhaps be outlined
in four general categories.
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purities and the various water uses.  This  consists of determining
the effect of an impurity on the water used for drinking, industry,
agriculture, to propagate fish and other aquatic  life, or recrea-
tion.  These are scientific relationships that  all scientists should
agree upon within the accuracy of the work  that can be carried out.

     Second, the scientist has a role in developing suggested solu-
tions to the water pollution problems and presenting as many prac-
tical solutions as possible.   Reliable cost data  should be presented
with the solutions.  To solve a problem, there  are several alter-
nates.  In a particular situation, treatment, process modification,
removing the waste from the water course, or providing additional
dilution may be alternatives.  All these solutions should be pre-
sented by the scientists.

     Third, the scientist should develop techniques to facilitate
a decision as to what is the best solution. In this role, the
scientist has a very difficult task of translating scientific in-
formation so that it can be readily understood  by the people who
make the decisions through the political process.
     Finally, the scientist develops the instrumentation to assure
that decisions, once made, are carried out  - to see that our laws
are enforced.  Once a decision is made as to what the quality of
our waters will be and what the maximum  levels  of impurities will
be in our streams, then the scientist can develop systems to assure
the public that these standards are kept.
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    THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY AND WATER  POLLUTION LAW ENFORCEMENT
                               By
                        Thomas  J.  Powers
                    The Dow Chemical Company

     We welcome this opportunity to  represent the Chemical Indus-
try at this unique conference.   I  say  "unique" because enforcement
conferences are quite common these days while conferences about en-
forcement are not.  Those of us who  must use public waters appreciate
a chance to express a few thoughts on  these matters.
     Chemical companies operating  in Michigan are well acquainted
with enforcement.  In our view  the Michigan laws have been enforced,
fairly and well.  One company has  been operating under restrictive
orders for thirty years. Yet,  the chemical industry has had a
healthy growth in Michigan,  Raw materials for the manufacture  of
many chemicals are plentiful in Michigan.  Limestone, salt, natural
brines, wood and water, coupled with access to sea going transpor-
tation, practically assure  a continuing growth of our industry  in
this state.
     The chemical industry  operates  in all 50 states.  The value
of chemicals manufactured is in excess of $30 billion.  Michigan
alone accounts for about $700 million  with about  36,000 employees
and payrolls of $250 million a year.
     We believe we are an industry which is  basic to the  economy,
basic to the production of food and  fibre, basic to health.
     We are a complex industry with 10,000 products.

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     We are a creative Industry.  This creativeness results In con-
stant change.  Change of product, change  of process,  change of
wastes.

     This constant change has caused the  Industry to  become very
alert to water pollution control.  The need for alertness was
recognl2ed on March 17, 1936, when the Board  of Directors of the
Manufacturing Chemists Association authorized the formation of a
"Committee on Prevention of Water Pollution."  For years this com-
mittee operated as the Water Pollution Abatement  Committee and is
now called the Water Resources Committee.

     The Industry will sponsor a  technical seminar at Ann Arbor
the week of November 15.  Some 25 representatives from  chemical
plants in the midwest will receive a full week  of training in the
why's and how's of water pollution control.   The  only purpose of
these seminars is to enhance the  Industry's capabilities to meet
its responsibilities in water pollution control.
     Besides the seminar type of  training the industry  committee
sponsors high level workshops in  various  parts  of the country; for
chemical companies both large and small.   These workshops provide
for an exchange of problem solving  "know-how."  They  also provide
for a free exchange of information,  ideas and policies  regarding
legislation.
     It must be evident that the  chemical Industry does have prob-
lems in the control of water pollution.  The  questions  we have been
asked were these:
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     First)  What is the relation of water pollution law
             enforcement to the operation of chemical
             industry plants? and,
     Second) What is the relation to the development of
             the chemical Industry?

     The first thing the manager of  a chemical plant does when faced
with a demand for Improved effluent  is to review operations.  His
hope is that he can meet the demand  by a process change.  This pro-
cess change may be the use of a more pure raw material.  It may be
the recovery of values.  It may be the elimination of water -contact.
Rest assured, he will exhaustively study every method known to pro-
cess engineering to solve the problem at its source.  Palling In
this, the chemical plant manager must search out the most economic
treatment method.  If the pollutants under study are not amenable
to economic treatment he must find a different ultimate disposal
method.  The demand for better effluents then, has an immediafcfcvSin-
pact on the operation of a chemical  plant.  The  Impact is the diver-
sion of manpower which Immediately results in Increased cost. Im-
proved effluents can seldom be achieved in the  chemical industry
without increased costs.
     One of the major problems of the chemical  industry is the dis-
posal of the salts of hydrochloric and sulfurlc  acids.  The  ammonia
soda-ash process must be able to use surface waters for the  sodium
and calcium chloride by-product solutions which are inherent to
the process.  Here is a case where the only known economic answer
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the product.  There are many processes In the Industry which result
in unwanted but necessary by-product salt production.   Deep-well
disposal may be a short time answer for small volumes, but  ultimate-
ly we must face up to the fact that controlled disposal by  dilution
is the only method which will permit these processes to operate.   It
is for this reason that the chemical industry has and will  show a
great deal of interest in the establishment of water quality stand-
ards.  We hope that such standards will be attainable under present
and near future production capacities.

     The demand for better effluents will effect chemical industry
operations.  It will require close attention to processing  increased
waste control facilities and improved effluent monitoring.

     Now, how about the relationship of chemical industry develop-
ment to water pollution law enforcement?  The chemical Industry
expects that water pollution laws will be enforced.   We expect that
restrictions will become more specific as technical  knowledge is
increased.  Expansion of existing plants may well be predicated on
our ability to tailor our waste waters to the water  quality criteria
of the receiving water.
     Sites for new production facilities are now carefully  screened
for ultimate disposal capacity.  If we cannot manage our wastes to
avoid a condition of water pollution at a particular site,  we do  not
build there.

     I have recently spent some time in Washington,,  and while I was
there I learned about a verse in the book of Isaiah  which says:
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'''Come now, and let us reason together."  Those of you who are either
 Bible students or politicians will perhaps remember this verse.
 Maybe It  Is also a good one In the context of what we are discussing
 here.

      It seems to me that what we must at all costs avoid Is a pol-
 lution battle pitting the agencies of the state of Michigan against
 the industry of the state of Michigan.  The keynote must be cooper-
 ation.  We must be willing on both sides to slt_ down and reason out
 our problems together.

      I must compliment the Michigan Water Resources Commission in
 this respect, because we have always found them firm but reasonable
 men.  If  you are willing to try to find a solution to your problem
 you can usually work out a satisfactory solution.
      We In the chemical Industry feel that cooperation is going to
 be mandatory between ourselves and the state agencies as we work
 to comply with the new demands of the state and nation, but we are
 confident that we can sit down, and as the Good Book says, "reason
 together."
      The  state agencies have on occasion aided in obtaining legis-
 lation which will enable Industries to cope with their water prob-
 lems. A  good example in Michigan was the Surplus Water Bill -
 Public Act 20 of 1964.
      The  chemical Industry must supply the chemical needs of the
 nation.   The Industry has grown at a much faster rate than the
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economy.  We expect It to continue to grow.   Where the Industry
locates Its plants Is decided by markets,  transportation,  and  raw
materials.  One of the Important raw materials Is water, water for
processing and water for dilution.
     In summary, the chemical Industry does  not fear enforcement
of water pollution laws.  By working closely and cooperatively
with the State Control Agencies we have been able to resolve many
potential problems before the fact.  As long as this cooperative
attitude Is maintained we have no fears.   We have managed  our  wastes
In the past and Intend to manage our wastes  In the future.   Operating
costs will Increase and capital costs will Increase.   These costs
can be minimized by proper site selection.  In short, our  people
believe that we can have a healthy, robust,  chemical Industry  and
clean water.
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       THE RELATION OP WATER POLLUTION  LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
              INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND  DEVELOPMENT
                               By
                        Ford T.  Shepherd
              Vice President, The Mead  Corporation
     I am glad to have the opportunity to participate  In these dis-
cussions because the pulp and paper Industry and Michigan are size-
able partners.1

     In Michigan out of 17 major Industry groups the pulp and paper
Industry ranks the 9th largest In terms of  payroll and employment.
In 1962 the total payroll was $127 million  for 27,000  persons em-
ployed.  In terms of the value added the pulp  and paper Industry
ranks the 8th largest.  In 1962 the amount  of  the value added was
$336 million.

     In 1963 Michigan produced almost exactly  2 million tons of
paper and paperboard, and 730,000 cords of  pulpwood were used to
produce almost 550,000 tons of wood pulp.
     There are 55 cities in Michigan fcha& have some kind of a paper
mill or converting plant.  Out of a total working force of 27,000
persons 10,800 are employed in the primary sector of the industry
and 16,200 In the converting sector.

     In discussing "The Relation of Water Pollution Law Enforcement
to Industrial Operation and Development" I believe we should first
recognize and evaluate the relationship between the Michigan Water
Resources Commission and our Industry.
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     I asked our people about this and here is what  they told me:
     "The Michigan Water Resources Commission to  date  has been
     a very down to earth organization' and has based its water
     quality criteria and demands on the individual  circumstance.
    'To my knowledge they have never asked fcr treatment for the
     sake of treatment alone.  They have been most cooperative
     and patient with municipalities as well as industry but are
     not hesitant in referring a case to the Attorney  General?s
     Office for action.l?
     And we are hopeful, of course, that the Commission is able  to
evaluate our cooperation and performance as satisfactory or possibly
a little better than that.
     Now with respect to stream pollution enforcement  ana new Indus-
try.  Our judgment is that fair and equitable water  quality require-
ments will not deter new industrial development.  Conversely, new
Industrial development will be hindered if a state does not offer
good water resources.

     But what about stringent water quality requirements for the
old mills that are polluters?  This is the  basic  problem, of course,
and it points up the necessity of the state taking a long hard look
at its water resources policies.
     Consider three examples;
     (A)  The small mill--small employment--small economic
          factor in the community--but large polluter.  In
          this situation, It will be Just too bad for  the
          shareholders and the employees if this  mill  has to
          clean up all of Its pollution.  It may  have  no
          alternative but to shut down.
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     (B)  Small mill—small employment, but a large economic
         factor In a small community.  To be realistic the
         state must consider the closing of this mill in
         terms of costs of unemployment benefits, additional
         relief costs, and the economic loss to the community.
         Now this example brings us closer to a realistic
         appraisal of the cost of maintaining water quality
         and we begin to realize the imppi!tance of determin-
         ing whether that cost is Justified for improving
         the water quality of the particular stretch of river
         below the mill.  The public benefits from the desired
         Improvement should be estimated realistically.
     (C)  The large mill—large employer—extremely significant
         economic factor In its community.  Here neither the
         state nor management can tolerate the closing of this
         mill.  Realistically, the mill, through its employees
         and managers, has significant political voice.  The
         question here  is what compromise will be made between
         the profitable operation of the mill and clean streams—
         or put another way—is the cost of clean waters to be
         shared by the  industry and the community (i.e., State)
         and,  if  so, in what proportions and how?  Here again,
         the  community  has to decide what it is willing to pay
         for  clean  streams or how clean it wants its streams.
     It is  very clear that water pollution control standards,  and
enforcement add up often to very difficult decisions and nearly
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always to expensive solutions.
     However, we have made a lot  of progress to  date and have a lot
of experience to build on.

     Over the past twenty-odd years, the National Council for Stream
Improvement In the Pulp, Paper and Paperboard Industry has  spent over
$5 million for research in the treatment of pulp and paper  mill
wastes.  Other groups and Individual mills have  spent additional
millions on these problems.

     That research has been put to use with gratifying results.
The total organic waste load of the industry today  is actually lower
than it was twenty years ago, even though  production has more than
doubled during that period.  The  organic waste load from the average
ton of paper has been reduced by  60$ and water usage per ton has
been decreased more than
     Techniques have been developed and are now available to treat
most of our industry's wastes.   Color continues to be  a  real problem,
however, but we have not given up.   Future research activities will
be devoted to developing more sophisticated and higher-degree treat-
ment methods.  More research attention is being given  now to the
treatment techniques devised for the purpose of reclaiming  waste
water so that it way be employed for a wider range of  uses, both  in
the mill and generally, as for municipal purposes.
     Pulp and paper industry expenditures for waste treatment facil-
ities, as of the end of 1965, will  total over $200,000,000.  Eighty
percent of the mills in the United  States have waste treatment
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facilities of one type or another.

     Capital expenditures for these  facilities  In 1965 alone will
amount to $20,000,000.  Maintenance  and operating expenses are con-
servatively estimated at approximately $28,000,000, bringing total
expenditures for 1965 close to $50,000,000.

     Because of greater production,  higher cost of materials, serv-
ices and increased stringency of pollution control, waste treatment
capital expenditures, plus annual operating costs, will double with-
in the next decade.   It has been estimated that an abatement program
for our Industry involving an 85 percent reduction in the BOD load
and virtually complete removal of settleable solids would require
an expenditure of $1 billion.  If this were to  be accomplished over
the next ten years the annual expenditure would be $100 million.

     ,If the pulp and paper industry  were to spend $100 million per
year on new waste pollution abatement facilities, this $100 million
would be the equivalent of:
     20$ of the net profit of the primary pulp  and paper Industry, or
     33$ of the primary pulp and paper industry dividends.
     In attempting to assess the Impact of such large expenditures
on the industry, it is necessary to  consider the distinct differ-
ence between the construction of a new mill and the  installation of
abatement facilities at an existing  mill.

     In the case of the new mills, recent expenditures for waste
treatment facilities have amounted to 2^ - 4 percent of total mill
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costs.  The average cost,  for example,  of primary and secondary waste
treatment at an unbleached kraft mill constructed today for $65 mil-
lion Is approximately $2 million, with annual cost of operation
(including operating expense, maintenance and amortization)  of
$365,000.

     The owners of such new mills carefully select sites where  pollu-
tion abatement facilities  can be installed at minimum cost.   Increased
efficiency in the new mills may then enable them to absorb  such waste
treatment plant costs and  still remain competitive.
     It has been the experience of the industry that most waste
treatment control expenditures in an old mill do not provide a  suit-
able return on the dollars invested.
     The question, then, facing our industry's top executives is
simply:  "How can we, as community-minded citizens and as profes-
sional managers, solve the existing stream pollution problems of our
older operations?"
     Obviously, the solution of the industry's problems, is of  con-
siderable magnitude, not only from a technical standpoint,  but  also
fro** a financial standpoint.  Equally obvious is the fact that  a Job
of this sl^e cannot be done overnight.
     We have learned from  experience that a pollution abatement pro-
gram, however vigorously pursued, is necessarily a long range under-
taking.  First, there is the investigation of available methods,
the application of these to pilot plant studies, and the preparation
of engineering plans and specifications.  Secondly, there are the
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attendant problems of ordering,  Installing of equipment and the
evaluation of results which is usually followed  by modifications.
All of this necessitates months  and sometimes years  of continuing
effort.

     To summarize, the remaining problems in our industry are:

     1.    The older mills — many of which may already be
          marginal — with their many built-in technical
          an engineering problems.
     2.    The $1 $11lion plus cost of pollution  abatement
          equipment and facilities.

     3.    The time required to do an economically sound con-
          struction Job of this  magnitude.

     The solution of these problems Is essentially:   an adequate
sum of money plus a reasonable and practical time schedule.

     This is not peculiar to our industry.  Other industries,  as
well as municipalities, have the same problem.  Governor Rockefeller
testified before the Blatnlck Committee on February  23, 1965,  in
behalf of his State of New York  which has 75$ of its streams
classified after 15 years of effort; he said:

          "To meet the backlog of accumulated needs  and new
          needs through 1970 will cost $1,709 million for
          local sewage treatment plants and interceptors.
          ... Elimination of industrial pollution will in-
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          volve another $67 million... This  is  a  six  year
          program."
     Mayor Ivan Allen of Atlanta testified before the Muskie Com-
mittee field hearing on June 8,  1965.  He  too,  reduced Atlanta's
abatement problem to dollars and years.  He  said:

          "The overall inventory of capital  Improvement needs
          for sewer and water pollution  control facilities, in
          the metropolitan system amounts  to some 90  million
          dollars in capital Investment  and  represents the
          major demand for all known useable capital  improve-
          ment funds during the  upcoming ten-year period."

     Our industry's problems are not unlike  the problems of the State
of New York or the city of Atlanta.  There is a difference, however,
In the available solutions:  New York's  costs and Atlanta's costs
will be borne by their taxpayers.  Industry  does  not  have such a
source of income.
     So what about the future?
     Under the Federal Water Pollution Control  Act, as amended by
the Water Quality Act of 1965, Michigan  continues to  have the primary
responsibility and right to prevent and  control pollution in Michigan.
Michigan can determine the water quality criteria applicable to In-
terstate waters or portions thereof in the state.  Michigan can
develop a plan for the Implementation  and  enforcement of its criteria.
Michigan can determine the water quality standards for Michigan.

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     And what about, the future for the pulp and paper industry?

     First, the pulp and paper industry's philosophy, its perform-
ance and its accomplishments to date are pretty well known.  The
industry believes that it has been good corporate citizens and it
is not about to turn into "bad" citizens in the communities where
its operations are located.

     Second, the industry has every reason to want to do what is
right; it will do its very best to meet the practical requirements
of the regulatory agencies.

     Third, the complete correction of the industry's stream pollu-
tion problem, as Indicated by the new standards provisions of the
Water Quality Act of 1965, represents expenditures of serious pro-
portions to the industry.

     Unlike the usual capital investments made by the industry,
these expenditures will not generate earnings.  For the paper indus-
try to absorb the full burden of this accelerated program would
seriously limit its ability to make capital investments in new
operating equipment and other facilities that, in turn, make for
a profitable expanding economy and full employment.

     Consequently, the industry as a matter of fairness and equity,
will explore fully any and all financial means, including feasible
programs of governmental financial assistance, by which the general
public may carry a sizeable share of this greatly increased finan-
cial responsibility.
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     Fourth, the industry must, of necessity, urge the appropriate
regulatory agencies—state, interstate and federal—to give full
consideration of the industry's problem in the development of the
standards and in the plans for their implementation and enforcement,
to the end that the agencies' requirements for compliance will pro-
vide for attainable objectives and adequate time schedules to
accomplish the objectives.

     These remarks would not be complete without our thanks to Loring
Oeming and his associates for their help, understanding and patience1
over the years.  And we want to assure the Michigan Water Resources
Commission of our desire to cooperate fully with its efforts in
establishing Michigan's criteria, in developing the plan of imple-
mentation and in improving Michigan's water resources.
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        RELATION OP WATER POLLUTION IAW ENFORCEMENT TO
             INDUSTRIAL OPERATION AND DEVELOPMENT
                              By
               John A.  Moekle, Associate  Counsel
                   Office of General Counsel
                      Ford Motor Company
     I was very pleased to receive Mr.  Olds'  Invitation to attend
this conference and to state an industry viewpoint.  Although  each
industry has its own peculia* problems, I suspect  that all industry
shares a common viewpoint on water pollution  problems—namely  the
desire to cooperate closely with government to  conserve and  improve
the quality of this most Important, of Michigan's resources.

     As indicated by the program, I am  an attorney employed  by Ford
Motor Company.  Michigan Is the home of the automotive Industry  and
contains automotive plants of many different  kinds.  Ford was  se-
lected, I Imagine, to represent the automotive  Industry not  so much
because it is typical, but because the  scope  of its Michigan oper-
ations is probably broader than that of any other  manufacturer.
     In Michigan, the automotive industry not only assembles auto-
mobiles, it manufactures, stores and distributes all kinds of  parts
and major components.  The industry Includes  hundreds of  suppliers
engaged j.n supporting efforts.  A catalogue of  Ford - and all  -
automotive manufacturing would be about as follows, with  some  indi-
cation of the wastes produced:
     The fo'undry business is certainly .essential to our operations.
Engine;blocks and numerous parts are produced in the foundry process.
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Wastes from this process are typically settleable solids  - sand -
and are collected and disposed of without  affecting Michigan's
waters.

     The simple forging or stamping operation of the blacksmith was
long ago replaced by hammers as tall as a  four-story building and
weighing more than 200,000 pounds.  These  presses,  without which
our Industry cannot exist, fortunately are not waste producers,
and again, do not affect our waters.

     Engines are basic to automobiles and, in fact, it  is sometimes
suggested that the engine is the primary product of any automobile
company, with the automobile simply being  one application of the
engine or power plant.  Engines must be carefully machined, and high
speed cutting tools require cooling fluids that must be used and ul-
timately discharged.  Ford's answer to this problem has been the
extensive use of disinfectants ihat permit the long-time  use and
reuse of soluble oil coolants with final removal and destruction
of the oil when the coolant can no longer  be used.
     All of the machinery in a manufacturing operation  must be
lubricated to run.  This means oil.  After a certain length of  usage,
oil becomes dirty and there must be some disposal of it.   Ford's
answer to this problem has been one of good housekeeping  - to col-
lect it in scrap oil drums for sale to salvage operators  and in
some cases for treatment and later use as  a fuel.  When,  in spite
of all precautions, oil escapes, it is trapped at various sewer
outlets by floating, pneumatic oil skimmers, and is removed from
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the water surface by traveling belt recovery units.

     All Industry - and the automotive Industry certainly - has  found
that the American public likes glitter, and glitter Is produced  by
plating.  Plating processes require chromium and cyanide, and dis-
posal of these useful chemicals poses very difficult problems.   We
have In the past employed dilution facilities and also destruction.
New goals under consideration may require greater use of destruction
techniques.

     What I have considered to date Is applicable to the whole auto-
motive Industry.  My own company, however, Is unique In Michigan
because to a greater extent than the rest of the automotive Industry
It produces the steel that Is the raw material for our products.
     The steel making process requires ovens In which to make coke.
Wastes produced from this process Include phenols and cyanides.
Under present orders of the Michigan Water Resources Commission,
Ford disposes of the phenols to a deep well, where it Is harmlessly
dispersed.  Cyanides are contained within the coke making process
and are ultimately destroyed in the burning of coke oven gas.
     The blast furnace is basic in the steel operation, converting
iron ore, coke and limestone to pig iron.  Its wastes are Iron ore
dust coming from the blast furnaces themselves.  These dusts are
recovered in giant thickeners and reused in the furnaces.  With in-
creased use of processed iron pellets from Ford's Upper Peninsula
and Minnesota plants, It is expected that the volume of such dusts
will be greatly reduced.
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     The open hearth furnaces which actually change the iron to
steel have been replaced at Ford by the Basic Oxygen furnace.   This
high efficiency furnace, using forced oxygen, has no wastes that
might cause water pollution problems, and is, of course, extremely
effective in preventing air pollution.
     At Ford we have rolling mills which take the steel in Ingot
form and produce sheet steel for our automobile bodies,   These
mills produce oil wastes which are recovered by huge gravity separ-
ators Installed by Ford a number of years ago.

     The sheet steel must be cleansed of scale by passing it through
baths of sulphuric acid or "pickle liquor" as it is called in the
steel industry.  Ford has recently announced a major change In this
process which, when implemented, will completely eliminate the loss
of pickling liquor by use of other compounds.

     Perhaps not so well known as our steel making operations is
our glass manufacturing plant where glass Is formed, ground and
polished.  The grinding and polishing operations produce as wastes,
sand and polishing rouge.  We have recently announced a major change
In glass manufacturing at our Dearborn Glass Plant through the use
of a float process.  This program, In the actual construction stage
at this time, will eliminate the loss of grinding sand and polish-
ing rouge to the sewer system.

     In brief, as most of you know, we have on the banks of the
River Rouge in Dearborn, Michigan, perhaps the largest and most
famous Industrial complex in the world, named, interestingly enough,
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after one of Michigan's waters - the Rouge plant  -  so that every-
thing mentioned above is produced on a  giant  scale.  We at Ford
never tire of quoting statistics about  our Rouge  Plant, and perhaps
you would like to hear Just one:  We pump 400 million gallons of
water a day from the Detroit River,  through our Rouge installations
and into the Rouge River.  This, dramatically,  I  believe, shows our
great Interest in the waters of Michigan and  in preserving their
high quality.

     Well, all activity begets problems, and  problems, hopefully,
beget solutions.  You can imagine from  what I have  Just outlined
that in the course of the last twenty years,  I  have had more than
one occasion to discuss our situation with the  members of the Michi-
gan Water Resources Commission and its  staff.  And  I have had a long
and, I believe - happy relationship with one  of our prior speakers,
Mr. Olds of the Attorney General's Office, who  as we all know is
probably our leading legal conservationist and  protector of Michi-
gan's waters.  I say "discuss" advisedly, because I think it would
be fair to say that the legal enforcement of  water  pollution regu-
lations applicable to industry in the state of  Michigan has not
been a matter of combat or litigation,  but a  matter of reason and
cooperation, a working out of problems  through  the  mutual efforts
of government and industry.

     The tools for enforcement of water pollution regulations by
the State are plain and at hand.  They  have been  discussed by Mr.
Olds in some detail.
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     Section 1 of the Water Resources Act  creates a Commission con-
sisting of the Director of Conservation, the Commissioner of Health,
the Highway Commissioner,  the Director  of  Agriculture, and three
citizens representing industrial  management, municipalities and
conservation associations.  We are glad to have an Industry repre-
sentative in the Commission; but  have never had any feeling that
the other members, in spite of their special interests, were in any
way hostile to industry.
     Section 2 states that the Commission  shall meet at least once
each month and shall keep  a record of its  proceedings.  We at Ford
study these monthly records with  great  interest.  The Commission
is required to protect and conserve the water  resources of the State
and controls pollution of  surface and underground waters.  Query  -
does it have an interest in the waters  of  our  boat slip which are
entirely privately owned?   Probably so, but we think, not so great
an Interest as in the public waters beyond.

     Section 3 authorizes  the Commission to bring any appropriate
action in the name of the  people  of the State  of Michigan, either
at law, or in chancery, to carry  out the provisions of the pollution
laws.  The Attorney General may take charge of and prosecute criminal
cases.
     Section 4 authorizes  the Commission or any agent to enter at
all reasonable times upon  public  or private property to Investigate
alleged pollution, and Commission staff members have been occasional
visitors to our Rouge installations over the years, both ashore and
afloat.  We await with some Interest their first descent by helicopter.
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     Section 5 directs the Commission to  establish pollution stand-
ards for waters of the state,  Significantly,  "in relation to the
public use to which they are or may be put."  The same standards
are not applied to all streams, and no one  has ever envisioned that
they should be.

     Section 6 makes it unlawful to discharge, directly or indirectly,
Injurious substances to the waters of the state, and Sections 7, 8
and 9 spell out enforcement procedures.

     Provision is made for appealing Commission orders to the law
courts.
     Any person requiring a new or substantial increase over and
above present uses of water must file a  statement with the Commis-
sion, and within 60 days the Commission  must  make an order stating
minimum restrictions.  If this order is  not acceptable, a hearing
may be demanded, followed by appeal to the courts if desired.
     Any duly appointed agent  of the Commission may make a criminal
complaint against a person violating the Act, and substantial penal-
ties may be Imposed.
     So much for procedure under the Michigan Act.  As  I have  stated,
we have had very little direct familiarity with the enforcement  pro-
visions of it, no objections to it, and are happy to  maintain  our
matters on a discussion rather than a litigation or enforcement
level.

     The Federal Water Pollution Control Act is also applicable,
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of course, to many of our Michigan installations.   It provides
grants for research and development, and aid to governmental  units  -
not Industry - for construction of ant1-pollution devices.  The
Federal Act is administered by a separate department  within the
Department of Health, Education and Welfare.

     It provides enforcement measures against pollution of  inter-
state or navigable waters, and, in brief, describes a notice  and
conference procedure, followed by hearing to determine if effective
progress is being made in the abatement of alleged pollution.  Our
Company, and many others, in the Detroit River and western  Lake Erie
region has recently participated in a special conference to consider
the quality of these waters and what can be done to improve them.
We are now engaged in numerous meetings with state authorities to
arrive at goals for this purpose.

     As in the case of our direct dealings with the Michigan  Water
Resources Commission under the Michigan Act, we know  of no  reason
why we cannot arrive at sound and practicable federal goals satis-
factory to everyone concerned.  As in the case of all industry of
which I am aware, and it cannot be emphasized too strongly, we at
Ford have constantly tightened our waste disposal methods over the
years, particularly since World War II, to meet ever-strengthening
standards, and continually higher water quality goals.
     From an enforcement and industry standpoint, I would say that
the most important provisions of any statute are the  preliminary
conference and hearing portions which permit Industry and govern-
ment to get together and discuss problems, and solutions to prob-
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lems.  We like very much to participate  In the formation of new
goals and standards.  If they are clearly and fairly expressed,
and are practicable, there will never be, I believe, any problem
of enforcing them.

     I should like to mention in conclusion two respects in which
we believe government - both federal and state - might assist all
industry in achieving constantly strengthening water quality
goals:

     By Act 250 of the Michigan Public Acts of 1965, 'if the State
Health Commission finds that a facility  is designed and operated
primarily for the control, capture and removal of  pollution from
the air and is reasonably adequ&tTfe far this purpose, the facility
will be exempt from real and per&onal property taxes, and  from  sales
and use taxes.  The certificate of exemption may be withdrawn if the
facility is no longer primarily used for pollution control and  is
being used for a different purpose.
     I suggest that this exemption might well be extended  to water
pollution prevention equipment to encourage at least to a  small
extent, the expenditure of the large sums of money required to  meet
presently proposed goals by private industry whose essential function,
of course, is to make the necessary profits to continue as a going
concern.

     Legislation with a parallel purpose has also  been suggested
in the federal field.  In the last session  of Congress,  Senator
Ribicoff, former Secretary of Health, Education  and  Welfare, and
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well known for his Interest in the field of air and water pollution
control, introduced a bill (S.  1670)  under which taxpayers would be
permitted to amortize over a comparatively short 36 month period
certain costs incurred to abate water and air pollution.  Rapid
amortization would be dependent on certification by the Secretary
of Health, Education and Welfare of compliance with minimum perform-
ance standards in furtherance of the  Federal  Water Pollution Con-
trol Act or the Clean Air Act as the  case may be.  Certification
would also be required by the state water or  air pollution control
agency.

     This bill was not enacted in the last session.   If enacted,
it would be helpful to industry in meeting the costs  of water and
air pollution prevention.
     Again let me express my appreciation for this opportunity to
address the conference.  The automotive industry,  engaged in a
giant productive effort, also has found Itself confronted with sub-
stantial problems of waste disposal.   The resources and initiative
of this great industry are fully available for the satisfactory
solution of these problems, and I am confident that substantial
progress will continue to be made.
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                        SUMMARY REMARKS
                              By
                 Attorney General Frank J. Kelley
     We are very gratified  at the turn out here today and just to
summarize briefly—we started this morning with Representative Snyder
and Senator O'Brien who indicated that the Michigan legislature by the
enactment of Senate Bill No.  69 has told Michigan municipalities and
industry to stop polluting  our  state's water  resources.  They have
also indicated that the legislature must now  consider the ability of
local municipalities to pay for pollution abatement facilities and
that attention must be given to the problem of costs, especially with
respect to Michigan's small villages  and towns.
     Mr. Louis C. Andrews,  representing the Michigan Municipal League
stated, "this conference will indeed  b$ a  100$ success  if  its results
do go down the drain."  Mr. Andrews reiterated the problems involved
in financing and levying taxes  at  the local  level .of government.  He
stated that "we need help in building and  operating needed treatment
plants and sewer systems."  Mr. Andrews  outlined existing  municipal
ordinance control of water pollution  and spoke of municipal relations
with local industry regarding the  use of municipal sewer systems  for
the disposal of industrial wastes.  He has indicated  to this confer-
ence that the direction in which Michigan municipalities are going
today is to do whatever is necessary to take care of  locally produced
municipal and industrial wastes.
     Mr. Joseph A. Parisi, representing Michigan township government,
has stated that  "the time has  come when we all want to do something

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about water pollution In Michigan and In the nation."  He has indicated
to the conference that in our pollution abatement efforts 4 major things
have to be kept in mind.  First - we have to have enthusiasm; secondly,
we have to benefit by and rectify past mistakes; thirdly - we must
temper our desires with good judgment and finally - we have to be sure
that what we are doing is absolutely right.  In concluding, Mr. Parisi
has indicated that Michigan townships want to do what is necessary to
abate township water pollution problems.  While townships are
authorized to build abatement facilities, what is needed are additional
statutes which will aid in township financing and enforcement of water
pollution programs.

     Mr. Chester C. Pierce, of the Wayne County Drain Commissioner's
office, speaking from the standpoint of Michigan county government,
discussed what Michigan county health departments can and are doing
to abate water pollution.  He also discussed a recent amendment of the
State Water Resources Commission Act relative to bonding by townships
to finance water pollution facilities.  He hag indicated that in his
opinion Michigan townships under the present State Constitution can
now issue court order bonds exceeding the 15-mill limitation.  Mr.
Pierce also discussed the County Department of Public Works Act and
its application by Michigan counties to the problem of water pollution
abatement.  He further suggested to the conference that Michigan should
initiate a financial program such as the one recently suggested in
New York State.   He concluded by saying that "the time to move ahead
has come and we should move now to correct our pollution problems."
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     Mr. Murray Stein, representing- the Federal government has this
morning Indicated that the federal authority In water pollution control
has changed drastically In the past few decades-.  He has stated that
water pollution- activities are usually rontroverslal and that water
pollution control Is an evolving legislative process mirroring public
opinion.  In the field of water pollution control this evolving
process is taking quite a period of time because of the complexities
involved and the end results hoped to be achieved are still not in
sight.  Mr. Stein further has indicated to us that the object of water
pollution control is not to close industry or to stop community growth.
Quite to the contrary, the challenge of water pollution control is to
allow continued industrial and community growth and still maintain
good water supplies for the legitimate uses which we are endeavoring
to protect.  He indicated this is what water pollution control is all
about, and we must recognize that this is only one problem in our
national life.  He has told us that municipalities and Industry are
responsible for their own wastes and that it is not a question of not
being able to afford pollution control, rather the real question is are
we able to afford to do nothing about controlling water pollution.
Mr. Stein has further indicated that, as we all know, Michigan's
economy is closely tied to her water resources and he has Indicated
to the conference that Michigan, and other states, cannot afford NOT
to effectively tackle the problem of water pollution control.
     This afternoon Dr. Leon W. Weinberger, representing the role of
the scientist in enforcement of water pollution control, pointed out that
this is not the role of the government, state or industrial scientist
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but of all scientists working together to develop facts upon which
decisions may be mab> by legislators and governmental authorities.
Bight now, Dr. Weinberger stated, we have scientific answers to
clear up many of our pollution problems, but the role of the research
scientist is to develop new methods for problems to which we have no
answer.  TJie scientist in water pollution control knows that he does
not deal with absolutes, but rather, with averages, ranges, and
probabilities.  It is a matter of scientifically interpreting data.
Dr. Weinberger said the scientist is a member of the water pollution
control team whose key role is to determines
     1.  The relationship between impurity and water uses
         (establishment of criteria or standards).
     2.  Measuring the concentration of impurities in water.
     3.  What happens when Impurities are introduced into the
         water environment.
     4.  Striving for new treatment methods to combat water
         pollution.

     Dr. Weinberger said that any amount of wastes can be removed but
that does not mean that it would be an engineering reality or economic-
ally feasible.

     Thomas J. Powers of the Dow Chemical Company, representing the
chemical industry stated that in the industry's viewpoint Michigan's
water pollution control laws have been energetically but fairly enforced
Mr. Powers also stated that the chemical industry is a basic yet very
complex industry and is constantly on the alert to its pollutional
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problems.  In the past the industry has sponsored seminars and work-
shops to train personnel to meet its various problems along this line.
He said controlled disposal of wastes by dilution is the only method
by which the chemical industry can dispose of its by-product wastes.
Because of more specific, future governmental control the chemical
industry expects to cooperate and reason out its problems to meet
and comply with water pollution control requirements.  Mr. Powers stated:

     "We believe we can have a healthy and robust chemical
     industry and clean waters."

     Mr. Ford Shepherd of the Mead Corporation indicated that the paper
industry and the State of Michigan are partners.  He feels the Michigan
Water Resources Commission has always realistically approached the
pollution problem of the paper industry.  In the industry's viewpoint
the state must evaluate each individual situation in the light of the
public well being.
     Waste treatment and costs of the paper and pulp industry are
expected to double in the next few years.
     Mr. Shepherd states we must differentiate between old and new
mills.  New mills are located where they can more adequately cope
with waste problems and still be competitive.

     Mr. Shepherd concluded that the paper industry will continue to
cooperate with the state and will explore all feasible economic means
of meeting its pollutional problems.
     Mr. John Moekle, representing the Michigan automotive industry,
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described .the- jtrftz&pu* operations of the Ford Motpr Cqmpany and ye.-'
«ulting wa^tcs^and the manner in which the probiems are being solved.

     Four nundred million gallons of water are being pumped dally
for i-he Rouge Plant.

     Without .litigation the Ford Motor,.Company has worked amicably
with the Michigan Water .Resources Commission and Is vitally inter-
ested in working toward the establishment of water quality criteria.

     Mr. Moekle stated that both federal and state governments can
assist industry, in achievina better water quality by:
     1.  uranting tax exemptions on water pollution control
         equipment, ana

     2,  prantlng rapid amortization on pollution control
         facilities.

     So it is our hope that the spirit that was expressed here today
will continue.  I can assure you from a government standpoint that
cooperation between the various state agencies, primarily the Michi-
gan Water Resources Commission, the Department of Conservation and
our office will continue.  We hope this is a first in a series of
meetings and that we will have the benefit or each other's counsel
in the future.  Thank you all for coming, and we stand adjourned.
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - A.M.
Question:
Mr. Stein:
Question:
Mr. Chairman, I would like to direct this to Mr. Stein.
What  is  the  possibility of making our waste productive,
such  as  fertilizers  and by-products?
There is a possibility - I wouldn't count on it.
This is a chimaera I have heard year after year and
as I pointed out I have been in this business since
19^8.  You have to pay something for waste treat-
ment.  Occasionally a city or a plant will hit the
jackpot and make it work.  But this is like alchemy,
if you expect it to be a generalized thing.  We had
a situation in Milwaukee.  One of the reasons they
could do that is they had a lot of brewery waste.
When the breweries were on strike it didn't work.
The Hiram Walker plant of Peoria has done it.  Don't
let a few freakish or outstanding examples change it.
In some cases you can ameliorate the cost of waste
treatment by recovery processes but don't expect that
to make a profit.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to direct a question to
Mr. Stein.  In reference to municipalities and
industries, you used the statement "they must clean
up their wastes."  Then, I believe you defined it in
stating that the effluent discharge from these enti-
ties should be traced and determination be made
whether or not it was causing any damage.  This
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                would Infer to me that there Is a degree of cleanli-
                ness Involved dependent upon the particular industry
                or municipality and where It is discharging its
                effluence.   Is this so?

Mr. Stein:      One, I was  speaking Just for the federal law on that
                when I talked about those procedures—federal enforce-
                ment procedures.  Some state laws have provisions
                just banning discharge.* * *Now when you speak in
                terms of cleanliness,  in dealing with the federal law,
                we have to  show a damage to health and welfare.  How-
                ever, and I would like to make this abundantly clear,
                I recognize that we have to deal with the facts of
                life, and we have to assume that every stream has
                what is called in the  trade,  absorptive capacity.
                But I don't think we should utilize the stream in
                all cases to its maximum absorptive capacity and  not
                leave any leaway.  Once we do this we find ourselves
                in a position where we are almost on a treadmill.
                It is the Alice in Wonderland business.  You're run-
                ning, running, running and staying in the same place.
                You Just clean it up.   As soon as you get a population
                growth, expanded industry or a new industry,  you  pol-
                lute it all over again.  I wonder why we should not
                take the same attitude as most of us do about our
                daily bath.  Take it whether we need it or not.  Or
                when we clean up a stream,  that we don't take the
                attitude perhaps that  some of the people do in other
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Question:
Mr. Stein:
industries, such as road building, automotive or
bridge building, and over construct Just once —
Just a little."  If we did that we may have more
leaway and we may be in better shape.  I think
that all this construction in an expanding economy
is fine.  We used to use the old l4th Street bridge
to go across the Potomac about 50 years after they
thought it was obsolete.  It was still up because
it was built so "strongly, and I think if we did
some of that kind of thinking in water pollution
control, we might be in better shape.
Mr. Stein, I ^understand after reading an article in
an engineering magazine, there is a man in the water
department in Washington who has available many,
many methods of disposal of industrial and municipal
wastes.  Some of them are tried and some of them are
not.  Are you acquainted with any of these methods?
We're acquainted with all of them.  As a matter of
fact, Dr. Weinberger is here and we work very closely
with his office.  I don't want to disillusion you,
but there is no magic way you can get rid of the
"stuff."  If there is anything that can possibly
work and we can propose it, or put it forward, we're
going to do it.  We are faced with a very, very dif-
ficult problem and I agree with you completely that
we have to take wastes out.  We have explored ano
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                and are exploring every possible method to do this.
                This is not an easy task.  There is no device that
                is known to any agency of the federal government
                that we have not examined and explored thoroughly.
                Our scientists have not yet come up with any magic
                answer and as soon as we do, we'll tell Mr,  Oeming
                about it, and if he hears about it first, maybe he
                will tell us.

Mr. Olds:       The hour is drawing nigh for lunch and this after-
                noon we have the program which includes the role of
                the scientist and industry.  We hope all of you will
                return.  We are adjourned until 2:00 P.M.
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - P.M.
Mr. Karmann:
Mr. Moekle:
My name Is Joe Karmann.  T nnw live at Ypsilanti,
formerly of Dearborn, and I am affiliated with the
Izaak Walton League of America, an organization
representing the defense of soils,, woods, waters
and wildlife.  My heart swells with pride to hear
Mr. Moekle1s report on the activities of the Ford
Motor Company.  I do feel, as the first mayor of
that city and the one of two pther terms of office
in that capacity, that Mr. Moekle failed to mention
the establishment of one of the finest sewerage
disposal plants not only in Michigan but in the
country, whereby the city did participate in its
recommendations and construction in the first place.
I think Mr. Moekle probably could have said a little
bit about the scientific analysis of the solution,
if you want to call it that, which passes through
that disposal plant into the River Rouge and on its
way to the Detroit river and the cities and towns
below.  I thank you for your kind attention and the
opportunity to speak.  Mr; Moekle, I congratulate
you.

We're delighted to give credit where credit is due
and I certainly did not .intend to omit the mention
of any significant accomplishments.>  I'm glad you
brought it up, sir.
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Mr. McDermott:  My name is Jim Mcl>ermott.  I'm from the attorney
                general's office of the State of Wisconsin and T
                am directing my question to Mr. Shepherd.  We have,
                as he is well aware, considerable paper industry in
                our state.  I thought your statement was very inter-
                esting and I guess I interpreted it correctly that
                perhaps the paper Industry would be willing to accept
                state or federal assistance in establishing the neces-
                sary sewage treatment facilities in connection with
                the industry.  Do I take it, Mr. Shepherd, that at
                least the company for which you speak would be will-
                ing to accept the inevitable measure of federal or
                state control that would go with that financial
                assistance?

Mr. Shepherd:   We knew, of course, that this statement would provoke
                some discussion.  In the paper industry we have
                thought about it a great deal and have considered
                every angle.  As you may know during the Korean situa-
                tion there was a necessity certificate program.  In
                other words, you got fast write off for building
                plants, etc. for the war effort.  In the paper industry
                it was to get pulp capacity, and you could get a neces-
                sity certificate maybe for 40 to 60# of this project,
                and a great many plants were built.  Now there has been
                no unanimity throughout our industry as to whether or
                not the fast write off was really an incentive.  There
                is a great debate on this question right now.  Two

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Question:
Mr. Shepherd;
weeks ago in New York the Board of Directors of the
American Paper Institute considered this question,
and —Well, I think I said it all in that "Now we
will explore fully any and all financial means in-
cluding feasible programs of governmental financial
assistance."

Mr. Shepherd, could I ask you Just one more question
in connection with this same item?  Was there any
discussion at the meeting you just mentioned of the
legality of aid to private industry regarding the
use of tax monies for a public or private purpose?
Well, I know there was a great deal of discussion.
What the lawyers finally will determine, I don't
know.  I am sure that most of you have heard rumors
that come January there is to be a stream pollution
abatement program modeled along the idea and concept
of the highway program of 1956.  When I heard this
about the first of August, I said "Boy, we're not
talking about millions, we're talking about billions."
The man who informed me of this said "That's right."
Now, if you will think a little bit about the highway
program.  I was not a student of that legislation,
but I read a good deal about it.  As you know, this
was a .massive attack on the highway situation.  It
started out to build and a law was passed, to build
4l,000 miles of road which would cost 4l billion
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He was going to pay 37 billion and the states would
pay 4 billion.  This was on the interstate program.
And then there was the ABC program ,to build the roads
within the states and the federal government, and the
states, I think, split this 50-50.  Now in the first
part, the interstate part, the federal government
runs it.  They dictate the size of the roads and all
of the specifications and everything.  Under the ABC
program, the state determines it.  To do this there
was a trust fund established.  The trust fund was to
raise, I think it's right at 15 billion dollars and
15 billion dollars.  Of course this is excise tax
on highway users — 4 cents a gallon on gasoline, I
think, 10 cents per pound on rubber that goes into
tires and tubes, so much on buses and trailers and
trucks, and I think, come January, it starts on so
much a gallon on oil and some other things.  Now,
if this is the program we are going to get in Jan-
uary and if industry has 50# of the pollution prob-
lem, as we are told, and if this is a massive attack
to wipe out pollution, it would seem to me that this
question is going to become academic as to whether
or not Uncle Sam will pay some of industry's bill.
If the federal government financed only the munici-
pal stuff we would still have, quoting again, one-
half of the problem left.  So really, I don't know
where we come out on all of thls> but I think all of
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                asked.  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Roberts:    Mr. Chairman, my name Is John Roberts and I am
                from St. Clair Shores.  I would like to commend
                the attorney general and the others who are re-
                sponsible for this conference.  I hope this is the
                very beginning of a strong concerted effort on the
                part of public officials, citizens and industry to
                get to work on this problem.  I live in an area that
                some of us refer to as a catch basin of drainage
                from a county area down into one of our major lakes.
                We have had very serious problems over the years and
                there are two questions I would like to ask if I may.
                Number one is directed to Dr. Weinberger.  I have
                heard references to a new system of dual filtration
                based on, I believe, using coal as a filtration med-
                ium.  Prom the little bit I've heard, It seems to
                offer some very drastic innovations in this field.
                What are the immediate possibilities of this, and
                if it is a possible solution to some of our problems,
                are there any serious drawbacks to it?
Dr. Weinberger:  I'm pretty sure the process to which you refer is
                under development by the office of coal research of
                The Department of the Interior.  Office of coal re-
                search is interested in finding uses foi* coal.  This
                process is one in which coal is sized and used as a
                filter, and after filtration, the treated waste
                passes through some additional coal where absorption
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                takes place.   This is still in the laboratory stage.
                Prom a point  of view of performance,  I might say
                there is no reason why this process should not work.
                Filtration of sewage is something that is rather well
                understood.  Even the absorption properties of coal
                are well understood.  This is at the stage, however,
                where there is virtually no — well,  there is not
                adequate economic data which would indicate to you
                what such a plant might cost or what it would cost
                to operate such a plant.  Furthermore, the current
                status indicates that it is now going from the lab-
                oratory stage to the pilot plant stage.  It will be
                another year or two before you get results from the
                pilot plant at which $b±nibrthe economics will be
                clearer.

Mr. Roberts:    The main point in bringing this up is that there is
                so much controversy in the Wayne County Detroit area
                now concerning primary and secondary treatment based
                on the results of the U.S. Public Health Service
                study and survey which were released at the June
                conference at Rackham Memorial.  I feel the director
                of the Detroit water supply system took a very
                righteous stand claiming that the Detroit system
                was far superior to anything else.  Yet when the
                U.S. Public Health Service expressed its desire
                that the system provide both primary and secondary
                treatment, the first thing that was said was that
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                It cost too much money, and we1re back where we came
                from, that we don't want to spend the money.  That's
                why I was trying to relate this new system to the
                present method of primary and secondary treatment
                to see if there is any possibility that it can ever
                be used in the near future to resolve this necessity
                of primary and secondary treatment.

Dr. Weinberger:  As I have indicated, the engineering design of this
                particular process is certainly a year or two off.
Mr. Roberts:    I see, thank you.  The next question I would like to
                direct to anybody who can answer it.  In the area
                where we live, two facilities have been constructed.
                One has been constructed, and one is under con-
                struction.  Many people in our area feel this is
                only a part-time solution to a very serious problem.
                We talk about combined systems of storm and sanitary
                effluent control and at the present time we have two
                combination systems draining effluent into Lake St.
                Glair.  A third system is going to be added.  To
                alleviate this problem to some extent, retention
                basins have been built to temporarily withhold the
                flow in these systems during a one-year rainfall.
                If it rains more than one year,  the excess Is still
                dumped into the lake.  If the one-year rainfall
                terminates at the end of that one-year fall, then
                what has gone Into these retention chambers is
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                Wayne County.  I haven't seen any Instances where
                these facilities have been built to any extent
                around the country.  These two facilities are cost-
                ing around 5 million dollars.  True, they are help-
                ing to some extent.  I would like to hear some com-
                ments from some of the experts as to whether the
                economics of spending 5 million dollars on two such
                basins which are not answering a problem,, really
                Jibe with our national efforts of trying to control
                municipalities dumping into our fresh waters.  Is it
                economically feasible to spend 5 million dollars for
                these temporary — I will refer to them loosely as
                tanks or retention basins —  when it appears there
                were methods and are methods available to prevent
                using these two drainage systems at all for sanitary
                flow?

Mr. Purdy:      Well, Mr. Roberts, I'm not completely familiar with
                the system although the consulting engineers' re-
                ports have been to the effect that it is not econ-
                omically feasible to go back into the system and
                completely separate them at the present time.  As
                far as knowledge regarding other states that might
                be using this same approach, I believe New York has
                built several water retention basins at the present
                time.  There was a recent article where Chicago is
                considering the storing of storm water flows in
                deep cavities under ground, producing power at the
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Mr. Roberts:
Mr. Purdy:
Mr. Olds:
time of the storm but this is where we are using
some of the tools and knowledge that we have on
hand today to control an existing problem.  Where
we are not postponing a correction of the problem
until we have an ultimate answer.  This may not be
the ultimate answer but it is at least a partial
answer to the problem today and we are making use
of the knowledge and information that we have.

Well, your department has been most diligent in
pursuing this problem.  I'm well aware of all of
your efforts and I've talked to you many times.  I
do know that you've Issued decrees and orders to
require communities to separate their systems.  In
some instances you have given them an option to
separate or treat them in a combined system, and I
was Just concerned regarding this particular problem
as it affects us.  It aggrieves us because it in-
fects our whole lake.

In a new community it is possible to go back into
the system and separate where in some instances, in
a completely built-up community, the cost is much
different.

I might just mention that recently the health de-
partment was involved in a law suit in the southern
part of the state where they authorized building
these retention areas.  The downstream riparian
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                didn't like the idea that these pools or ponds would
                be released In the fall and the heaped-up polluted
                water would go by his home.  He went to court and an
                injunction was Issued in his favor.

Mr. Wolin:      Mr. Chairman, I am Arthur Wolin of Dearborn repre-
                senting the Isaak Walton League.  On the other side
                of the ledger I'd like to direct this question to
                Mr. Shepherd.  We heard a lot about millions and
                billions it would cost to eliminate pollution and
                the possibility of closing mills.  Well, do you know
                that beaches have been closed, rivers you might call
                closed, lakes that could be called closed, besides,
                the property values have decreased to a point where
                it is almost impossible to get rid of some of the
                cottages because of pollution.  Now, can we place
                a value on that or a loss on that?  That runs into
                terrific figures.  I think that should also be con-
                sidered.  With all the knowledge and brains we have
                in this country, I think there can be a satisfactory
                solution to everybody.   As a barefoot boy I can
                remember tramping all over the area where the Ford
                Motor Company is now located and fished all along
                the banks of the Rouge River.  Think of the recrea-
                tional values to the public if you could walk to
                that river, the Detroit river, or any place.  The
                people would need no transportation, they could
                enjoy themselves.  You can't place a price on a
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Mr. Purdyj
Mr. Howe:
Mr. Olds:
Mr. Howe:
recreational or aesthetic value to  the public.  I
think we  should take whatever help  we can get and
do the best we  can and eliminate this source.

Well, I agree with you,  I don't know what else to
say, only that  I agree with you.
I'm Prank Howe  and I'm from St. Glair Shores.  I'm
interested in the gentleman's explanation of
"economically unfeasible."  I'd like to see some
figures of comparison.  This doesn't satisfy me.
We spend  one million one hundred thousand dollars
for retention basin that works fine as long as it
doesn't rain.  When it rains, I see the evidence in
my canal  in my back yard, and it isn't enough for
me to have Just a simple statement  from somebody
to say it is economically unfeasible.  We're pol-
luting our own nest, we're polluting this lake,
and we're polluting the Detroit river, and then
we are bringing it in from the top  of Belle Isle
back to ourselves.  This doesn't satisfy me at all.
I'd like  to know how unfeasible It  is?
To whom are you directing your question?
The gentleman who said it was economically
unfeasible.   I'm only talking about terms of
money.  This is a temporary expedient, I think, a
way to get somebody off the hook.
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Mr. Purdy:

Mr. Howe:

Mr. Purdy:


Mr. Howe:
Mr. Purdy:
Mr. Howe:
Mr. Purdy:
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I believe you probably live on the Milk River drain?

No sir.  I live Just north of the Martin drain.

Well, the Martin drain retention basin Just went
into operation this past year.

I realize that and I still see the evidence in my
canal when it rains good and hard.

We are still in the learning process on this.  I
said the Milk River because this is the first one
built in the state, very possibly the first one
that was built in the country and . . .

I understand they'd used those gates once.  Is
that right?

I can't tell you about the operation on this.  It
is under the supervision of the state health com-
missioner.  Mr. Pierce is here, he can answer some
of your questions much better than I.  As far as
the review of the consulting engineers' reports
and the cost and so forth, this has been investi-
gated.  I can't quote you the figures.  I don't
believe this is the meeting to go Into those figures
but we would be most happy to explore this further
wi1;h you at some other time.  I don't have this
formation to answer you today.
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Mr. Nichols:    My name is Lester Nichols and I'm from tne Michigan
                Department of Economic Expansion.  I would like to
                direct my question to Dr. Weinberger.  Do you feel
                that we will eventually be able to treat waste to
                the point that we can use waters for a broad range
                of uses or must we resign ourselves to the fact
                that some waters will have a priority of uses?

Dr. Weinberger:  That's quite a question.  May I take this oppor-
                tunity to comment on the last question which I
                think is somewhat related to this,  I think the
                gentleman makes a very Important point and one
                which apparently I did not make very effectively
                in my presentation.  One of the things that I sug-
                gested Is that the scientists*  role in this thing
                is to present various alternates with the cost for
                accomplishing then, so the public can make this
                decision.  As was pointed out,  and I think Mr0
                Shepherd*s comments after mine pointed up that
                what we are talking about to a large extent is
                the amount that we are willing to pay--not we as
                scientists or we as enforcement people,  but we as
                taxpayers0  And I think In fairness to us individ-
                ually,  we ought to be presented with the various
                alternatives with the price tag for that particular
                solution,,  Now to answer your question.   We are
                very close to having the technology which will
                enable us to take a waste water and to reuse this
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                water virtually Indefinitely.  We are so close to
                this that in some parts of the country this is al-
                most being done.  In southern California, waste
                water — and this is related to a question that
                was asked this morning — did we foresee the time
                when sewage might be treated for * profit?  This is
                a rather interesting question.  I would have
                answered the question a little bit differently from
                Mr. Stein and point out that it is conceivable that
                the water portion of our waste water may be so im-
                portant that the water we recover from waste treaf-
                ment may make this whole thing economically sound.
                There are places in southern California where they
                are taking sewage, paying for it and then selling
                the treated water for other uses.  So, in answer to
                your question, the answer is very definitely — yes.
                We will have the technology that will enable us to
                take the waters, treat them and use them for any
                other purpose for which, again, we are willing to
                pay.  I think this is as simple as I can reduce
                your question.  That if we are willing to pay for
                this, we can accomplish what the gentleman rrom
                Ford and the others have all indicated.  There is
                no difference of opinion here.  Thank you.

Mr. Voigts:     My name is D. L. Voigts and I represent the Pack-
                aging Corporation of America from Filer City.  I
                would like to ask Dr. Weinberger my question.
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                What is being done in the so-called tertiary treat-
                ment of both municipal and industrial wastes in
                which we will be forestalling, or let us say, pre-
                venting a problem which unvariably will develop,
                and that is the nitrogen and phosphorous compound,
                the so-called nutrients, which are now being left
                in most treated waters.  I am referring to second-
                ary treated waters.  I would like to know how much
                time is being spent on this research and is there
                a feasible solution to this?

Dr. Weinberger:  The federal research budget in water pollution
                control research for this fiscal year is approxi-
                mately five and half million dollars.  This is the
                research money available to study all of the re-
                search needs in the field of pollution, ranging
                from the analytical problems, the cause and effect
                relationships, the various treatment, the epidemiol-
                ogy, the toxicology, etc.  The matter of treatment
                for the removal of nitrates and phosphates is one
                which is receiving increasing attention from our
                research staff both in the house and through grant
                mechanism, which is another form of research support
                coming from the federal government.  This grant
                supports many researches in Universities.  The
                problem of removal of the nitrogen and phosphorous
                is one which has only recently received the atten-
                tion that many of us feel it should have received.
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Methods are being explored to increase the effect-
iveness of biological treatment for removal of
these nutrients, chemical methods for accomplish-
ing this.  Dr. Rollick of the University of Wis-
consin has over the past years worked on an effect-
ive process for chemical removal of phosphates
which is "being used in a full scale plant in Lake
Tahoe, California.  There are other methods which
we are exploring for the removal of these nutrients.
These involve various processes including a number
of those which have been developed, by the'office of
saline water.  So, in answer to the question, we
are in the laboratory and as soon as this is suc-
cessful, moving into the pilot plant, and then
finally in the field evaluation stage.  There are
many major problems of water pollution needing re-
search.  We are trying to distribute our research
effort to come up with the best balanced program.
I might take this opportunity to put in a plug for
one of the new laboratories which will be built in
Ann Arbor.  I think there is a point which has not
been brought out at this meeting, and that is the
interim between the time the public has been made
aware and has become somewhat familiar with prob-
lems of water pollution, and the time that it takes
to get a major program underway.  In 196l, four
years ago, congress authorized the construction
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Mr. Olds:

Mr. Moekle:
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of 7 new field laboratories to engage in technical
assistance and research.  These laboratories are
currently still under construction.  Pour of them
will be completed within the next 3 months.  We
will then begin putting the research effort in
this problem of nutrient removal and all other
problems.  So, there is this time lag between
recognizing the problem and coming up with answers.
Incidentally, there are many more laboratories now
beyond that original seven.  One of these will be
in Ann Arbor and at that laboratory we will be
concentrating on the problems associated with the
Great Lakes—nutrients being one of them.

Mr. Moekle would like to supplement his remarks.

I simply thought that perhaps in this very serious
conference there might be Just a moment for a touch
of sentiment.  Mr. Stein said that he had been in
this activity since 1948 and I have been in it
since 19^6.  I beat Mr. Stein into it by two years
and the great society by 18 years.  And I've met
a great many wonderful and very capable people dur-
ing that period.  We've heard a lot of talk about
lay people and professional people this afternoon
who represent a lot of different Interests—chem-
ists, medical doctors, public health personnel,
lawyers, engineers and all the rest.  All of us are
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Mr. Olds:
Mr. Adams:
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lay people to a very great extent because very
few of us encompass the entire field of water
pollution.  There is, however, one person in our
midst who is a true professional.  He is an engineer,
he is a lawyer and a scientist.  He knows a lot about
public health and a great deal about legislation.
When he left us the World Health Organization
recognized his talents and has in the last few
years sent him over a great deal of the world.
He has been mentioned by name several times at
this meeting and I thought he ought to stand up
so that you could see the one true pro in our midst-
Milt Adams.

Maybe it is appropriate at this time, Milt, that
you say a few words.  Tell us about some of the
things you've seen in the rest of the world.

Well, it is a pleasure to be invited to" this
meeting today.  I wouldn't expect it to be right
unless everyone put his best foot forward and I
think that is what is being done.  As I was tell-
ing Larry Oeming, when Mr. Shepherd was stressing
the problem of the small mill, I remember a little
one down in the southeast corner of the state that
protested before our Commission that if they were
required to cut their fiber losses they would go
out of business.  They would close up.  A few

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                months later after this same plant  had put  in the
                facilities that our boys had recommended, they
                turned back to our staff and said,  "Why the devil
                didn't you make us do this before—the money we've
                saved."  So this Is an ever growing problem.
                When I was in Caracas in July, the  sole purpose of
                sewage disposal there was to reclaim out of the
                sewage of that great city enough useable water
                for industry and agriculture so that they could
                develop in that valley below Caracas.  There was
                no mention about public health, nothing about
                fish life but it was water with which to exist.
                And, that is the challenge we face  in many  parts
                of our country as well as right here in the United
                States.  It's nice to be with you.

Mr. Olds:       Mr. Kelley would you please close the meeting
                with a short summary?
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 1                      STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY

 2
                       ATTORNEYS GENERAL CONFERENCE
 3
                    "Chicago, Illinois, November 3, 1967.  The four
 4
          Attorneys General of the States bordering Lake Michigan
 5
          met today in Chicago in a common effort to find an effec-
 6
          tive solution to the critical problem of water pollution.
 7
                    "Attorneys General Prank J. Kelley of Michigan,
 8
          Bronson LaFollette of Wisconsin, John J. Dillon of In-
 9
          diana and William G. Clark of Illinois attended the con-
10
          ference.
11
                    "The Attorney General of each State is the
12
          chief legal officer of their individual State and as  such
13
          haa the ultimate responsibility of seeking legal sanctions
14
          against polluters.
15
                    "No single State can effectively solve this
16
          problem.
17
                    "Each Attorney General indicated increased
18
          liaison with the appropriate administrative agency vrlth-
19
          in their own State.
20
                    "The Attorneys General will compile a list  of
21
          polluters within their own States.   The four Attorneys
22
          General will exchange this information and act as a
23
          clearing house for the information to insure that every
24
          source of pollution will be brought  to the attention  of
25
          the appropriate enforcement agency.

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 l I                     STATE!*ENT OP PRANK J. KELLSY

 2                   "The Attorneys General stated that they are

 3         eicplorin^ the possibility of all four States acting in

 4         concert as plaintiffs against major polluters.

 5                   "They indicated that the most effective solu-

 6         t:on would be through cooperation of the Attorneys General

 7         representing their States rather than to institute time-

 8         consurr.ins, involved lausuits betvreen States.

 9                   "Further meetings will be held by. all four

10         .attorneys General in Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin to

H         deal with specific problems."

12
           INTRODUCTION
13
           UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OP GREAT LAKES

14         PRESSING PROBLEMS OF POLLUTION ABATEMENT AND

15         WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT

16         ROLE OF GREAT LAKES IN PROMOTING NATIONAL

17         GOALS IN MARINE SCIENCES
is
           Basic Research

19              Physical Nature of Currents

20              Water Masses

21              Ice Cover

22              Land Drainage and Water Quality

23              3u t ro pnicat1on

24 !             Fish Population

25 i             Invasion of Marine Species

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 1 '                STATEMENT OF PRANK J .  KBLLEY

 2         Model  Studies

 3             Regional  Environmental

 4             Interaction Between Water and Air

 5         Engineering and Development

 6             Surf ace Vessels

 7             Submarines and Man -in -the -Sea Project

 8             Synoptic  Survey and Instrumentation of

 9             Commercial Veasela

10             Testing of Marine Equipment

11         Education  and  Training

12

13         STATEMENT  BEFORE THE CHICAGO FIELD HEARINGS

14         BY  PANELS  ON BASIC SCIENCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL

15         PROBLEMS,  OF THE COMMISSION ON MARINE SCIENCE,

16         ENGINEERING AND RESOURCES
17                  David  C.  Chandler,  Director
                  Great Lakes  Research Division
18           University of Michigan,  Ann Arbor, Michigan

19                         "INTRODUCTION

20                   "The  St. Lawrence  Great Lakes are a

21         part  of  the  'marine  environment1  as defined by

22         the Marine Resources and Engineering Act of 1966.

23         My comments  will be  restricted to these lakes,

24         emphasizing  their role  in promoting the national

25         goals in Marine Sciences through  the use of these

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 2         waters  in the conduct of programs in water quality
 3         and resource management, research and development,
 4         and education and training.
 5
 6
 7                   "in order to appreciate the uniqueness
 8         of these lakes and their potential contributions
 9         to the  National Oceanographic program, it is
10         important to recognize their major physical
ll         characteristics.
12                   "l.   These lakes contain the largest
13         single  mass  of freshwater on the earth's surface,
14         and represent approximately 40 percent of the
15         surface waters of continental United States.
16         Furthermore,  their combined areas of 95,170
17         square  miles  is about the same as that for each
18         of the  following seas:   Persian Gulf, English
19         Channel,  Gulf of California, and the Irish Sea.
20         Because of their size,  they are frequently
21         referred  to  as inland seas, laboratory sized
22         oceans,  and  the midcontinental coastal area.
23                   "2.   The maximum lengths of these lakes
24         range from 350 miles (Superior) to 193 miles
25         (Ontario); maximum breadths range from 183 miles

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 2         (Huron)  to 53 miles (Ontario)5 maximum depths


 3         range from 1,333 feet (Superior) to 210 feet


 4         (Erie),  and the mean depths range from 48?


 5         feet (Superior) to 58 feet (Erie),


 6                   "3.  Ratio of drainage area to water


 7         surface  area = 3:1-


 g                   "4.  Total shoreline = 9,600 miles.


 9                   "5.  These lakes possess both lacustrine


10         and oceanic characteristics.


11              "a.  Lacustrine


12                   (1)  Inlet - Outlet - flow through


13                   (2)  Low salinity - less than 300


14                   ppm


15                   (3)  Predominantly  freshwater biota
    >

16                   (4)  Seiche effect  greater than


17                   tidal


18                   (5)  Land locked  (definite boun-


19                   daries)


20                   (6)  Covered by  a single weather


21                   system  at a given time


22               »b.  Oceanic


23                   (1)  visible effects  of Coriolis


24  I                 force


25                    (2)  Distribution of  upwelling

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                    and sinking according to
 2


                    relationship of current stream-
 a


                    lines and the shore



                    (3)  Presence of distinct water
 s


                    masses
 6


                    (4)  Modifying effects on weather
 7


                    (5)  Thermal cycle with one period
 o


                    of overturn
 9


             "PRESSING PROBLEMS OF POLLUTION ABATEMENT
10            	


                  AND WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT
11                 	


                    "The Great Lakes represent a tremendous
12


          natural resource of increasing importance to both



          the United States and Canada.  Presently these



          multi-use waters are being used for 1) navigation,



16         2), hydroelectric power, 3) domestic and indus-



17         trial water supply, 4) irrigation, 5) domestic



lg         and industrial waste disposal, 6) recreation,



19         7) food supply and 8) scientific research and



20         the training of marine scientists.  Present



21         indications are that multiple use of these waters



22         will be short-lived if they continue to be used



23         as receptors of domestic and industrial wastes



24         produced in the drainage basin.  Pollution is,



25         therefore, a pressing problem in these lakes

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                  STATEMENT OP FRANK J. KELLEY

 2         Jeopardizing all uses and producing a general

 3         deterioration of the human environment,

                    "Attempts at pollution control in the

 5         Great Lakes have been piecemeal, each political

 -         unit trying to solve its problems on a local

          basis without consideration of the lakes as a

          total system.  Lakeshore communities proceed on

 9         the assumption that the lakes are an unlimited

10         mass of water with the ability to assimilate

          unlimited quantities of waste in any form.  Inland

12         communities use rivers entering the Great Lakes to

13         transport their wastes downstream without

14         realizing that the lakes become the eventual

15         receptors.  Unfortunately less is known about

16         waste assimilation in lakes than streams, but it

          is generally agreed that the residence time for

          pollutants in lakes is greater and much of the

19         particulate matter settles to the bottom, causing

20         a filling in of the basin.  The residual effects

21         of pollutants incorporated in bottom sediments

22         are not known but generally believed to be sig-

23         nificant.  These facts support the belief that

24         the Great Lakes environment is dangerously sus-

25         ceptible to pollution because most avenues of

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 2        waste disposal in the drainage basin terminate



 3        in these lakes.



 4                  "Physically, the St. Lawrence Great



 5        Lakes drainage basin in one system, however,



 6        politically  it exhibits & pattern of fragmen-



 7        tation.  This physiographic unit is shared  by



 8        nine States in the United States and two Provinces



 9        in Canada.  The heads of these political units



10        can speak only for their unit.  There is no



H        unified plan or approach for the management,



12        utilization, or the solution of common problems



13        in this drainage basin.  Within the United  States



14        are seven or more Federal agencies charged  with



15        Great Lakes missions:  1) Federal Water Pollution



16        Control Administration, 2) U. S. Bureau of



17        Commercial Fisheries, 3) U. S. Coast Guard,



18        4) U. S. Corps of Engineers and the Lake Survey



19        Office, 5} U. S. Geological Survey, 6) U. S.



20        Weather Bureau and 7) the U. S. Public Health



21        Service.  Each agency has carried out its mission



22        in a commendable way, but none is concerned with



23        the lakes as a complete system.  Superimposed on



24        this are the efforts by each Great Lakes State



25        to deal with these waters within the framework

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 1                 STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY

 2         of its individual interests.  Only the Inter-

 3         national Joint Commission attempts to represent

 4         the international interests of the United States

 5         and Canada, and it, too, has a commendable record

 6         of accomplishment within the framework of its

 7         objectives, which were defined in 1909.  More

 8         recently, 1967* the Great Lakes Basin Commission

 9         has been established to coordinate the United

10         States activities on the Great Lakes,  This is a

11         mechanism which offers promise for bringing about

12         coordinated regional planning and management.

13         Basically, there exists the mechanisms, the

14         technical and scientific knowledge, manpower and

15         economic need for unified programs in pollution

16         abatement, water resources management, and

17         regional planning of the Great Lakes drainage

18         basin.  The fact that these programs are non-

19         operative is of deep concern because decisions

20-         are made and priorities established in the ab-

21         sence  of a unified or regional plan or an under-

22         standing of the Great Lakes as a total system.

23               "ROLE OF GRATLAKES
24               NATIONAL GOALS  IN MARINE SCIENCES

25                   "Limnologists and oceanographers employ

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          different scales of study in their attempt to



 .         understand the physical, chemical and biological
 s


          processes in water bodies and the interactions



 _         between these waters and their atmospheric and
 5


          geological boundaries.  In the size series of



          water todies from small lakes to oceans, the



          Great Lakes represent the mesoscale Aquatic
 o


          System.  These Great Lakes are subject to essen-



          tially the same physical, chemical, biological,



          meteorological and geological regimes as the



          oceans, but in addition, they possess definite



          boundaries and each lake generally has a single



14         weather system over it at a given time.  Further-



          more, the Great Lakes drainage basin is a discrete



16         physiographic unit, within which exist integrated



          social, political and economic regimes directly



18         dependent upon these lakes.



19                   "By virtue of their size, location and



_o         general characteristics the St. Lawrence Great



2i         Lakes are uniquely suited for programs in:  1)



22         basic research, 2) model studies, 3) engineering



23         and development, 4-) testing of marine equipment



24         and 5) education and training.



25

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 2                   "Basic Research.

 3                   "Mesoscale aquatic systems are repre-

 4         sented by more than 100 water bodies with surface

 5         areas between 5,000 and 30,000 square miles.

 6         These are intermediate in size and general

 7         characteristics to small lakes and oceans, and

 8         some possess both lacustrine and oceanic charac-

 9         teristics.  Little is known about the environmenta

10         conditions of these mesoscale waters, yet in

u         volume they represent 60-70 percent of  the

12         surface freshwaters of the world.  If these

13         resources are to be effectively and efficiently

14         managed for the maximum benefit to man,  their

15         environmental characteristics and processes must

16         be understood sufficiently to predict the

17         planned and unplanned effects of man upon these

jg         waters.   The St. Lawrence Great Lakes exhibit

19         a wide spectrum of  characteristics in respect  to

20         morphometry, orientation  of  long axis to pre-

21         vailing winds, climate, geological formation  in

22         drainage  basin, land use  of  drainage basin,

23         urbanization and  eutrophication.

24                    "In addition  to the usual  opportunities

25         for  research on aquatic processes  and  phenomena

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 1                STATEMENT  OF PRANK  J.  KELLEY
 2         (ecosystem  and  population dynamics,  nutrient
 3         cycling,  environmental  requirements  of organisms,
 4         exchanges between  water and its  atmospheric  and
 5         geologic  boundaries, etc.)  the Great Lakes afford
 6         unusual opportunities in certain areas as illus-
 7         trated by the following selected examples:
 8                  "Physical Nature  of  Currents.  Water
 9         currents  in the Great Lakes contain  both geo-
10         strophic  and wind-driven components,  as do those
ll         of the oceans,  but are  free of the tidal compo-
12         nents that  complicate such  studies in the ocean.
13                  "Studies of the relationships between
14         the geostrophlc and wind stresses as  current-
is         producing mechanisms are possible only in the
16         mesoscale offered  by the Great Lakes.   The
17         relation between the wind and  thermal forces go
18         through a seasonal progression from winter through
19         spring, summer, and fall.   This  'laboratory  ex-
20         periment,   where the input  parameters are systemat-
21         ically changed, is repeated annually,  and provides
22         the necessary information for  creating and testing
23         of theoretical models.
24                  "Water Masses.  The  origin,  character-
25         istics and  fate of water masses  can be studied

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                   STATEMBKT OF  FRANK J.  KELLEY
           under mesoscale  conditions.   These masses lend
           themselves  to  studies of  lake circulation,  and
 s
           of phyto-zooplankton  development and inter-

           relationships .   The growth,  reproduction and
 5
           seasonal abundance varies for a given plankton
 6
           species  in  different  water masses.
 7
                     "ice Cover.  The formation, structure,
 O
           extent,  breakups and  energy relations of the ice
 9
           cover varies with each lake, because of.differ-
Iv
           ences In latitude, lake morphemetry and orien-
           tation to prevailing  winds.   Records of ice
           may  be obtained  from  shore stations, plane  or
13
           satellites.  The relation of ice to lake navi-
           gation adds an applied aspect to an otherwise
15
,_          theoretical problem.
16
17
                     "Land  Drainage  and  Water Quality,
to         Rivers  entering  the  lakes  are  relatively small,
lo
,.         but  their  basins are large enough to encompass
19
          a variety  of  land-use practices,  and/or community

21         developments.  Also,  the lakes are large enough

22         to receive this  river discharge without the

23         entire  lake being affected.  Therefore, the

24         impact  of  each river system on Great Lakes  water

25         quality can be determined.

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                     "Eutrophication.   The  nature and rate
 z                     ————____—__—__


          of natural  and artificial eutrophication can be
 3


          studied effectively in  the  Great Lakes since



          each lake  is distinctive  in respect to geo-
 5


          chemical conditions, degree of urbanization and
 6


          industrialization  in its  drainage basin.   There



          is a wide  spectrum of eutrophication conditions,
 o


          from advanced  stages in Lake Erie to a minimum
 •f


          in Lake Superior.  Furthermore,  the flow-through



          characteristics of the  lakes make it possible to



          follow downstream  effects of each lake on water
iz


13         quality.



14                    "Fish Population  Studies.   Records of



._         commercial  fish catches of  the Great Lakes are
i&


16         continuous  and  complete since  1867.   These



17         records make possible unusual  studies in  popu-



18         lation dynamics and in.population and species



19         response to environmental changes,  invasion of



20         marine species and fishing  pressure.



21                   Invasion _of Marine Spec lea..   Marine



22         species are entering the  Great Lakes  and  some



23         have become firmly established 1,000 miles from



24         the sea.  Examples Include  the sea lamprey,



25         Petromyzon marinus; alewife, Alosa psuedo-harengus

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 2          smelt,  Osmerus  mordax;  a polycheate, Manayunkia

 3          erienensis;  and a copepod, Eurytemora affinis.

 4          Studies  of  such species  will contribute perti-

 5          nent  information on rates  and  mechanisms of

 6          adaptation  of marine  organisms to fresh water,

 7                   "Model Studies^

 8                     The  Great  Lakes  represent a mesoscale

 9          aquatic  system  well suited for model studies  of

10          processes and problems of  regional and global

ll          importance.  Two selected  examples will serve to

12          illustrate  this  concept.

13                   "Regional Env4^rMunentaJL_gtudjag_.  The

14          St. Lawrence-Great Lakes region provides  the

15          essential ingredients for  a  model  study relating

16          *° the enchancement of the human  environment.

17          It is a physiographic unit dominated by the

18          largest single mass of freshwater  on the  earth's

19          surface and is in the path of  the  most  rapid

20          industrial and urban development in  the United

21         States and Canada.  This situation offers an

22         interesting study of the interrelationships and

23         interactions of the social, political and eco-

24         nomic aspects of the region along with a  study

25         of the scientific management and utilization

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 2        of its tremendous freshwater resource.



 3                  "These lakes also lend themselves



 A        uniquely as a model for studies in international



 6        resource management, since they represent a hugh



 c        natural resource of great economic importance
 o


 7        to both the United States and Canada.  Probably



 8        no two other countries share a resource of this



 9        magnitude, that possess so much technical knowl-



10        edge and have as a long record of friendly



11        cooperation.



12                  "This concept is presently being pur-



I3        sued by a Conference Group composed of repre-



14        sentatives of the Committee on Institutional



15        Cooperation (Big Ten Universities and Chicago)



16        with the aim of determining the feasibility of



17        a systems model of the Great Lakes Region.  The



18        first step in their efforts have been toward



19        constructing water quality and water quantity



20        models .



21
22         Lake Michigan, for example,  subserves a unique



23         laboratory function in the study  of weather



24         modifications by water.  Situated transverse  to



25         movement of air masses and weather from west

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 1                 STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY
 2         to east, this lake is large enough to produce
 3         clean-cut modifying effects upon weather
 4         crossing it, yet is not so large that separate
 5         weather systems are likely to exist over it at
 6         the same time.  Its landlocked nature allows
 1         Lake Michigan to be surrounded by weather stations
 8         a condition that allows the observations of air-
 9         mass parameters before and after modification by
10         the underlying water body, a situation which
H         cannot be satisfactorily achieved for oceans.
12                   "Furthermore, studies of wind-to-wave
13         relations may be made under simplified conditions,
14         because of the absence of wave-trains or swells
15         from other distant weather systems.  Open-water
16         fetches of 50 to 300 miles are common on the
17         Great Lakes and these distances can be measured
18         accurately.
19                   "Engineering and Development.
20                   "Surface Vessels.  The conduct of re-
21         search on the Great Lakes requires equipment,
22         instruments and procedures very similar to those
23         needed for oceanographic studies.  Nevertheless
24         essential differences do exist between these  two
25         environments in regard to, e.g., distances, sea

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                  STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY
          state, and number of accessible ports.  Most
 2
          oceanographic cruises are from a few weeks to
 3
          several months in length, while on the Great
 .        Lakes cruises are from one to several days.
 5
          In these differences lie opportunities for
 6
          exploring new concepts of the construction and
 8
          operation of research vessels.  Conceivably,
          a multiple purpose vessel could be constructed
 9
          for research, support for submersibles and diving
          equipment and for student training.  Also, the
,.        Great Lakes afford a good place for  testing  the
iz
          applicability of hydrofoils and various kinds of
14        aircraft for a  rapid coverage  of  lake surface
15        conditions .
                     "Submarines and Man-in-the-Sea  Project.
                     ----- -- —
17        Water of 600 feet or greater depth is accessible
18        in several parts of the  Great  Lakes  within a
          distance of 30  miles or  less from shore.  Numerous
20        deep-water ports exist on all  the lakes,  and
21        within  the immediate region are work and  research
22        ships,  diversified Industry, supply  and engineering
23        companies  and the intellectual and technical
24        resources  of numerous universities.  In no other
25        place in the world does  this combination  of

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                 STATEMENT  OF  FRANK J.  KELLEY


          conditions  and  facilities  exist within so small


          an  area.  These conditions are highly favorable
 O

          for the development and testing of research sub-
 4

          marines and various aspects of the !Man-in-the-
 5

          Sea1  project.   The economy of time and money is
 6

          evident.
                    "S][nopti.c_Su.rve:fs_jand Ins trumentation



          r>f nn-mvneiW
8

         of Commercial Vessels.  It is feasible to make
          a single-day multiple-ship survey of an entire


          lake, since ports are numerous, the maximum


          width is less than 185 miles and numerous small


          surface vessels are available for charter.
13

 4         Synoptic areal coverage of a single lake can


15         be achieved in 12 hours, and surface ship


16         support is readily available for calibration


          points.


lg                    "Furthermore, application of  the  con-


19         cept of 'Ships of Opportunity'  or  'Neptune


20         Projects'  to commercial vessels  in the  Great


          Lakes  has  some promising possibilities.  One


22         hundred or more  vessels such as  freighters,


23         ferries and  fishing  vessels may be on  the lakes


24         on  any given day during  the navigation season.


25         Most of them operate on  a  scheduled  course.

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           With proper instrumentation,  a synoptic coverage
 2
           of any one lake,  or possibly of all the lakes,
 3
           could be made on  a daily basis.  In addition
 _         to giving lake-wide coverage (an impossibility
 5
           with research vessels for economic reasons)  this
 6                                                   '
           would be a means  of collecting valuable routine
           survey data,  while freeing research vessels  for
 8
           specialized duties.  Existing technology makes
 tJ
           possible the  collection of various kinds of
           physical,  chemical and biological data from
           ships under way at speeds up to 18 knots.
12
,,                   "Testing of Marine Equipment.  The
13	
14         freshwater environment in the  Great Lakes pro-
.-         vides depths  equivalent to those of the
16         Continental Slope, at distances less than 30
J7         miles from commercial ports with ship-support
18         facilities, in water relatively free of cor-
19         rosion and biological fouling.   Because of
20         these conditions  the development and testing
21         of marine  equipment such as:   1) automatic buoy
22         systems,  2) fixed platforms, 3) diving equip-
23         ment,  4)  research submarines,  5) acoustic and
24         electromagnetic probes,  6)  chemical probes,  etc.
25         can be carried on easily and economically.

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 1                 STATEMENT OF PRAHK J. KSLLEY
 2                    "Education and  Training.
 3                    "in  the fields  of  limnology and  ocean*-
 4         ography, the basic problems, methods and proee-
 5         dures, and much of the  equipment  are identical,
 6         and  in many instances a person  trained in  one
 7         becomes professionally  employed in  the other.
 8         Since the  Great Lakes are intermediate in  the
 9         total size-series of the  world's  water bodies,
10         and  possess both lacustrine  and oceanic char-
11         acteristics, they are uniquely  suited for  the
12         education  and  training  of aquatic scientists.
13         The  overlap of several  disciplines  in Great
14         Lakes studies  provides  a  natural  common ground
15         and  needed meeting place  for limnology and
16         oceanography that can and should  be utilized
17         to the benefit of both.
18                    "Within the Great  Lakes region are at
W         least 20 universities with established programs
20         in the aquatic sciences involving curricula,
21         scientific personnel, and a  great diversity
22         of teaching and research  facilities.  Research
23         vessels suitable for training purposes are
24         operated by universities  in  the region. In
25         addition to giving students  shipboard experience

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 1                 STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY

 2         with oceanographlc equipment and procedures,

 3         this arrangement has the unique feature of

 4         dealing with a complete aquatic system in an

 5         interdisciplinary manner.  Such an approach

 6         is not possible on either small lakes or oceans.

                "MONITORING OF GREAT LAKESWATERS
 8
 9                   "Monitoring of the waters of the Great

10         Lakes is important relative to 1)  identifying

11         sources and kinds of pollution and 2) identifying

12         long-range changes in the quality of water both
13         from natural and manmade processes*  At present

14         there is not a satisfactory monitoring system
15         to achieve either of these goals.

16                   "Monitoring must be considered in a

17         conceptual model and also relative to techno-
18         logical methods of monitoring.  A conceptual
19         model must be system oriented with respect to
20         variables measured in time and space.  The
21         results of the conceptual model dictate the

22         development of -proper technology and the proper

23         use of resultant monitoring instruments relative
24         to time and position.

25                   "Monitoring Model.

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 I                 STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY

 2                   HWe propose a dual program to develop

 3         an effective monitoring system for the Great

 4         Lakes.  The first program would be a total

 5         evaluation of water quality data for the Great

 6         Lakes (and especially for Lake Michigan).  This

 7         analysis would involve 1) identification of

 8         factors of water quality, 2) identification of

 9         gradients of water quality factors, 3) identi-

10         fication of time trends, and 4) prediction of

H         optimum sampling locations and times.  Water

12         quality factors will be isolated using factor

13         analysis techniques on existing station data.

14         Results of this study will show the degree of

15         dependence (or independence) of commonly

16         measured variables upon variables commonly

17         accepted as indicative of water quality (BOD,

18         DO, color, etc.).  The total results would

19         also allow prediction of better criteria for

20         water quality by showing relationships to

21         indicators used presently.  In this way, the

22         minimum number (and kind) of variables required

23         to define water quality will be determined.

24                   "Due to population and industrial

25         density as well as environmental and natural

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                  STATEMENT  OP FRANK  J. KELLEY


 2         processes  (currents, nature of  the  bottom


 3         sediment,  etc.), a measured quantity  will vary


 4         at a different rate in  different  regions  of  the


 5         lake.  The amount  of change horizontally  and


 6         vertically and predictability of  change (lack


 7         of noise)  will define optimum sampling spacing.


 8         Trend surface analysis  is a statistical tool


 9         which allows the determination  of optimum


10         spacing by fitting of up to a third order poly-


11         nomial three dimensional curve  and  also allows


12         the plotting of difference  maps.  Difference


13         maps represent the difference between actual


14         results and that of the function.   Low gradient


15         maps require only  a few sampling  stations whereas


          maps with  high gradients and large  difference


          demand closer sampling  intervals.   Areas  of


18         high 'noise1 (large differences)  suggest  'unknown'


19         (unmeasured) variables  or factors.


20                    "Spectrum analysis allows the deter-
21
          raination of cycles  (seasonal, etc.) in data.
oo
          Chicago, Milwaukee, and Cleveland water stations


          have data that can be examined as a function of


24         time.  Analysis of these data could not only


25         determine the period(s) of cycles but also point

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 !                 STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY
 2         out seasonal periods of high noise when  sampling
 3         should be emphasized.
 4                   "Prediction of  optimum  sampling  times
 5         and locations depend upon results of  the three
 ,         above studies as well as  testing  of predictions.
 o
 7         This would allow the optimizing of monitoring
 8         stations and in many cases allow  advance indi-
 9         cation of deterioration of water. In  this  line,
10         it has not been recognized that many  conditions
n         of deterioration of water inshore can be identifle|i
12         offshore before the condition  develops.  There-
13         fore maximum returns from data analyzed  in a
14         manner outlined above is  required to  efficiently
15         monitor a lake.
16                   "The procedural aspects of  this  study
17         are 1) obtain GLIRB, UM and water intake data,
xg         etc., 2) develop computer programs,  3) define
19         conclusions from the statistical  analysis, 4)
20         using random times  and locations, test the pre-
21         dictability of  the  model  by  sampling, 5) r«-
22         define monitoring  conclusions  from  the tests,
23         6) define technological monitoring  network
24         required.
25                    "Technical Monitoring  Devices.

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 1                STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY
 2                  "The output of the above study will
 3        be input in the sense of the monitoring devices
 4        required for Great Lakes study.  At present,
 5        commercial devices (Beckman, Fairchild, Honeywell)
 3        monitor conductivity (TDS), pH, DO, temperature,
 7        residual, chlorine, and some other specific ions
 g        such as F, Br, Ca, and Mg.  Besides definitions
 9        of variables that should be monitored (output
10        from above study), we recognize the following
11        as desirable: nitrogen, phosphorus, total crop,
12        dissolved organic compounds, and light trans-
13        mission (turbidity, etc.).  All of these variables
14        require basic research and applied research
15        particularly with respect to the sensing elements.
16        Solid state electrodes may be feasible for
17        phosphorus and nitrogen, a filter-opacity and/or
18        reflectance device for crop, and a UV spectrum
19        analyzer for dissolved organic substances.  All
20        should be connected to a data analyzer (computer)
21        and be usable from shore, ship, and remote
22        installations.  Besides this developmental work,
23        there is reliability testing that needs to be
24        done on existing probes.  For example, the
25        membrane oxygen electrode fouls in high particle

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                  STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY

 2         and high H2S water.   It does not respond well

 3         under high pressure  (great depth).   There is

          a high probability that a doped crystal similar

          to the Orion fluoride electrode is  usable for

          oxygen measurements.

                    "No one has yet married a computer to

          sensing devices although this seems desirable

          relative to display of data on a network (lake

10         wide) basis and to display analysis rapidly for

11         remedial purposes.

12         "Procedures:  1) obtain one available commercial

13         unit for reliability testing and modification;

14         2) basic research into the use of solid state

15         electrodes for sensing elements for nutrients

16         and oxygen; 3) electronic development for other

17         sensors amplification and analysis  of signal;

lg         4) feasibility of small scale computer use in

19         larger network system; 5) testing of components;

20         6) write specifications for network system

21         "Personnel involved:  J. R. Kramer, H. K. Soo,

22         Floyd Elder, Vincent Noble, Eugene Stoermer,

23         John Ayers, Edward Callender.

24         "Estimated cost:  $150,000 per year over five

25         years, or $300,000 per year over three years

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 1                 STATEMENT OP  FRANK J.  KELLEY
 2                    "Nutrient Chemistry  Study*
 3                    "The  criteria used for  defining water
 4         quality (and  hence sources of  pollution)  are not
 6         well  defined  except in  extreme cases.   Factors
 6         that  appear to  be important are excess  nutrients
 7         (particularly phosphorus), high oxygen  demand
 8         liquids and solids, turbidity, soluble  organic
 9         compounds, and  temperature. But  neither  the
10         quantitative  level or long term changes relative
11         to  'assimilative*  powers of the lakes are known.
12         These must be ascertained in order  to define
13         water quality criteria  for an  efficient manage-
14         ment  program.
15                    "We conceive  of inducing  levels of
16         pollution  in  situ in  plastic bags and monitoring
17         the change in the water with emphasis on  biology.
18         Besides changing  the  composition  of the water
19         by adding at  high concentrations  nutrients and
20         other chemicals,  we shall run  studies on  systems
21         with  and without  bottom sediment  (and different
22         kinds of bottom sediment), open or  closed to
23         the atmosphere, with  onshore and  offshore water
24         and biota, and  as  a function of temperature and
25         turbidity.  The definition of  kinds of  input

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 j  ISTATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY

 2         would come from cases of presently known pol-

 3         lution as well as from trends already observable

 4         in the lakes.  In addition, other presumed future

 ,         sources of pollution would be considered.  In

          this way, one can ascertain specific changes in

 7         all kinds of waters if certain conditions are

 8         allowed to continue.  Once a severe condition

 g         of pollution is developed in the  'bag,1 various

10         techniques would be used to attempt to  return

n         the water to high quality.  This procedure is

12         different from similar laboratory studies in

13         that natural fluctuations relative to temperature,

14         sunlight, turbidity, and particulate matter

15         would be incorporated.in the system.  All

16         laboratory studies have not included one or

17         more of these conditions.

18         "Personnel:  J. R. Kramer, Edward Callender,

!9         Eugene Stoermer, Floyd Elder.

20         "Estimated cost:  $80,000 per year for  three

21         years.

22

23

24

25

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 1                STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY

 2        MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY, East Lansing
         OFFICE OF VICE PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT
 3        SCHOOL FOR ADVANCED GRADUATE STUDIES
         OFFICE OF THE DEAN

         24 January 1968
 5
         Mr. Frank J. Kelley
 6        Attorney General
         State of Michigan
 7        Lansing, Michigan  48933

 8        Dear Mr. Kelley:

 9                  This replies to your letter to President

10        John A. Hannah, 24 November 1967, concerning re-

11        search on the problem of pollution of Lake Michigan

12        May I take this opportunity to indicate in a broad

13        manner the state of research and to suggest that

14        contact on specific questions and matters be

15        directed to Dr. R. C. Ball, Director of our Insti-

l<>        tute of Water Research.

17                  The research by the universities on  Lake

18        Michigan has been carried out with two rather  dis-

19        tinct approaches.  The University of Michigan, with

20        its large ship facilities, has carried out certain

21        studies on the physical parameters of the lake.

22        Data on these investigations have been published

23        by the Great Lakes Institute and copies of these

24        reports and any data collected since the most

25        recent report can be obtained by contacting Dr.

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 1                STATEMENT OP PRANK J. KELLEY
 2        David Chandler, Director of the Great Lakes
 3        Institute of the University of Michigan.
 4                  The Michigan State University scientists
 5        have followed the premise that undesirable condi-
 6        tions now being found in Lake Michigan are to a
 7        large extent a product of the pollution and

 8        nutrients brought to the lake by the stream
 9        systems.  It is in this area of pollution ecology
lO        that we have concentrated our efforts.
11                  The results of the research projects
12        in water resources at Michigan State University
13        are available in theses forms and as published
14        information and cover an extremely wide range of
15        subject matter.  These have been made available
13        to the Michigan Department of Conservation and its
11        Water Resources Commission for possible incorpora-
lg        tion into their management and surveillance pro-
19        grams.  Examples of the research are found in
20        studies of the methods of removing nutrients
21        from sewage plant effluent discharges to prevent
22        the entrance of these nutrients into streams and
23        thus eventually into the Great Lakes, where they
24        contribute greatly to the processes of eutrophi*
25        cation.  Studies are underway concerning the kinds

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 I               STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2       and types of pesticides which move from  our  farm
 3       lands, our urban developments, and our sewage  dis-
 4       posal plants to eventually find  their way  into
 5       Lake Michigan.  Here they may move through the
 $       food chain of the salmon, where  they may affect
 7       the reproductive potential of the adult  fish.
 g                 Cooperative projects are now actively
 9       underway to quantify the amount  and nature of
10       materials that constitute the major pollutants
11       which enter Lake Michigan from the State of  Michi-
12       gan.  Presently this information is now  available
13       in the detail necessary for proper evaluation  of
14       the problems involved.  We are undertaking this
15       evaluation in considerable detail on the major con-
16       tributing watershed, the Grand River.  Following
17       the physical, chemical, and biological treatment
18       of the samples, the resulting data, along  with
19       cognate data concerning source,  etc., will be  fed
20       to a computer-based storage and  retrieval  system.
21       It will thus become readily available for  answers
22       to requests such as yours.
23                 A large-scale demonstration project  is
24       in an advanced stage of planning on our campus.
25       This will put into operation the salient facets

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 1                STATEMENT  OP PRANK  J. KELLEY

 2        of our past research findings to  evaluate  methods

 3        of removing the  entire nutrient-rich effluent  of

 4        a disposal plant from the receiving  stream.  This

 5        or comparable  types of waste handling may  become

 6        essential to all communities of the  State  to pre-

 7        vent our wastes  from reaching and adversely

 8        affecting the  Great Lakes.

 9                  It would be extremely difficult, if  not

10        impossible, to detail each  of the research projects

11        which have been  undertaken  on the Michigan State

12        University campus over the  past years as they

13        relate to water  quality and thus directly  or

14        indirectly to Lake Michigan.  The material on  all

15        such research projects is being gathered together

16        in one area under the sponsorship of  the Institute

17        of Water Research.  As Indicated above, Dr. Robert

18        C. Ball, a member of our staff and Director of the

19        Institute, would be very happy to supply you with

20        any specific information concerning  the water

21        quality and water resources problems of Lake

22        Michigan at any  time that you might wish.

23                  We will be pleased to offer our  services

24        and cooperation  in your efforts to abate the pollu-

25        tion in Lake Michigan. (Signed)  Milton E.  Muelder
                            - - .  Vice President and Dean

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 2
                 Letter to Governor George Romney

 3
                   From Attorney General Kelley


                         January 16, 1968

 5

 6         "Dear Governor Romney:


 7                   "During the summer of 1967 a huge


 g         die-off of alewives caused the beaches of Lake


 9         Michigan to be littered with dead fish, posing


10         a menace to health, clogging water intakes, and


H         causing a loss of tourist trade in the four


12         Lake  Michigan States estimated at over $100


13         million.  Our State suffered the most.  The


14         Impact was devastating.  The estimated loss of


15         tourist trade in Michigan alone was $55 million


16         during 1967.


17                   "indications  are that in 1968 we will


18         experience a die-off equal to, or greater than,


19         that  of 19^7.   It is estimated that work to pre


20         vent  the alewife from being deposited on the


21         beaches, from fouling the beaches and water in-


22         takes,  and physically removing the carcasses,


23         once  deposited,  will cost approximately $1.5


24         million for 1968.


25                   "The Department of Conservation of

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 l                 STATEMENT OF PRANK J. KELLEY

 2         Michigan has made detailed studies  on  cleanup

 3         methods and costs, and has a program prepared

 4         which has a price tag of  over $800,000.   The

 5         Secretary of Interior has appointed a  Task  Force

 fi         to make recommendations to meet  the alewife

 ?         die-off problem.  But in  the immediate future

 g         we face a health and sanitation  menace during

 9         the summer of 19^8, as well as a continued  impact

10         on our tourist trade.

n                   "As Chairman of the Michigan Delegation

12         to the Great Lakes Commission, I wish  at  this  time

13         to advise you of that Commission's  proposals.

14         The Great Lakes Commission recommends  that

15         immediate measures be taken to establish  an

16         emergency $3 million Federal-State  cooperative

17         alewife cleanup and removal program for Lake

18         Michigan for the years 1968 and  1969.  Under

19         this program there would be a minimum  50  percent

20         Federal matching funds which would  be  funded

21         from funds presently available to the  Secretary

22         of the Interior or the Office of Emergency

23         Planning; provisions for reimbursement to States

24         would be provided in the event the  Federal  share

25         was not forthcoming on a timely  basis.  Action

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 1                STATEMENT OP FRANK J.  KELLEY

 2        by the  States  should Include authorization to

 3        use general  or appropriated funds for the program

 4        and appropriation of the necessary amounts.

 5                  "We  believe action on the proposed

 6        program is urgent.  Health, sanitation and

 7        economic requirements dictate immediate action.

 g        We welcome your views and cooperation in this

 9        important endeavor.

10                  "Sincerely yours,

11                  "PRANK J.  KELLEY

12                  "Attorney  General and

13                  "Chairman, Michigan Delegation

14                  "to  Great  Lakes Commission"

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                         Whitehall Forum
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                         January 4, 1968
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w          "STATE MAPS  PLAN TQ CLEAN BEACHES IN '68;

20          $827,000 PROGRAM AIMED AT ALEWIFE DIE-OFF

21                  "Michigan's Department of Conservation

22        has mapped battle plans for combating Lake

23        Michigan's anticipated alewife die-off in 1968

24        to avoid a repeat of this, year's costly and

25        unsightly calamity.

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 2                   "in a report sent to Governor Romney

 s         at his request, the Department is proposing an

 4         $827,000 cleanup program covering 508 miles of

 I         Lake Michigan shoreline and pegged at meeting
   II
 6         the alewife problem principally during the peak

 7         die-off period from June 15 to raid-August.

 8                   "Projected cost of the program is

 9         dwarfed by the estimated figure of $55 million

10         in tourist business which was lort on the west

11         aide of the State last summer when the stench

12         and sight of hundreds of millions of dead ale-

13         wives drove vacationers away from the lake's

14         resorts and parks.

15                   "Basically, the Department   action-

16         ready plan is a two-pronged attack on the alewife

17         problem.

18                   "First and foremost, it is aimed at

19         removing as many dead fish as possible before

20         they have a chance to reach the lake's beaches.

21         The Department recommends that this be done by

22         paying commercial fishermen some $220,000 to

23         skim dead alewives from the surface of the lake

24         with trawling gear and purse seines.

25                   "The nuisance fish would be hauled

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 1                STATEMENT OF FRANK J. KELLEY
 2        ashore and those suitable for fish meal  would  be
 3        routed to processing plants.  The bulk,  however,
 4        would be buried in specially designated  sanitary
 5        fills.
 6                  "Although it is estimated  that com-
 7        mercial fishermen could net about 8,000,000
 g        pounds of alewife for removal,  large numbers of
 9        the problem fish will still windrow  upon beaches
10        where they will have to be picked up,  hauled
11        and buried.
12                  "For this second stage of  the  operation,
13        Department officials hope to field 20 custom-
14        made mechanized beach cleaners  which with adequate
15        manpower would cost about $607>000.
16                  "During the past summer, the Depart-
17        ment   parks  division experimented with  several
18        types of these machines and results  of this
19        field testing give good promise  of doing  the Job.
20        As a bonus, even though the machines would be
21        bought to handle the alewife die-off,  they
22        would serve double duty in picking up broken
23        glass, trash, and debris under  regular beach-
24        cleaning operations.
25                  "Department officials say  it would be

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  flSTATEMENT  OP FRANK J.  KELLEY
         physically  Impossible  for  manpower alone to meet
         the  tremendous,  far-reaching chore of cleaning up
 3
         dead alewives  along Lake Michigan1;  shores.  Also,
         this limited approach  would cost an estimated
 5
 6        $2.5 million in  1968.
                    "Of  immediate concern to the Department
 7
         is the matter  of getting funds to translate its
 O
         paper plan into  an action  program.  Recognizing
         that the  alewife problem affects Great Lakes
         States and is  considered a regional headache,
         Department leaders are recommending that the
         Federal Government appropriate necessary funds
13
,.         to underwrite cleanup and research work.
14
                     "•The Conservation Department views
15
,fi         itself as  the mobilizing force  in Michigan  since
10
17         it has specialists in the field to work on  the
18         alewife problem and can draw  readily  on resource
19         people to  fuse an  action  group  and put  its
20         program into  operation.
21                    "it is  banking  heavily  on  having
22         County highway departments  that border  Lake
23         Michigan serve as  cleanup agencies  because they
24  i       have  the  'necessary know-how and  organization
25         to  put the efforts into effect.1   Within  towns

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 2        where Intensive beach use takes place, cleanup
 3        could be handled by those cities.  If Federal
 4        monies are made available, they will be parceled
 5        out to the cities according to their beach-
 6        cleaning responsibilities.
 7                  "With time of the essence, the Depart-
 g        ment is working with the U. S. Bureau of Commercial
 9        Fisheries and commercial fishermen on surveys
10        which hopefully will give some fair warning
n        on how large next summer's alewife die-off should
12        be in Lake Michigan*
13                  "Department leaders stress that their
14        present plan is strictly a short-term measure to
15        do the Job that needs to be done.  Over the long
16        haul, they hope to whip the problem by building
17        up stocks of salmon and trout to restore a
18        favorable balance between predator and prey
19        fish populations in the Great Lakes*"
20                           - - -
21                  MR. STEIN:  We will  take  a  recess  for
22        10 minutes.
23                  (Recess.)
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                     MR.  STEIN:   May we  reconvene.
                     Let  me  make certain procedural points
           clear  again.   One, we do  not  anticipate  going
           much after 5 o'clock.  And again,  as  I pointed
           out, the stenographer can Just take so much of
           a record,  and  I think  a human being can absorb
           Just so much of this,  I  say  that  on  the basis
           of long and sometimes  sorry past experience
10          when we have tried to  push.   We will  reconvene
n          at 9:30 in the morning.   We will not  go  much
12          beyond 5 o'clock.
13                    For  the rest of the schedule,  we  will
14          hope to have a better  estimate when you  people
15          have come  up and  talked to your State agencies
16          about how  long each State presentation will be,
17          with their guests, and try to give you an
18          estimate of when you might appear  or  be  called
19          upon.  I suspect  that  the Federal  presentation
20          will take  most of tomorrow as  well as the rest
21          of today.  However, sometime  tomorrow morning I
22          would hope to have a further  announcement as  to
23          when other people might be expected to give
24          their statements.
25                    We will now  proceed  to the Federal
           presentation, Mr, Poston.

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 3                  MR. POSTON:  We would like to start

 4        off our presentations with Federal agencies.

 5        The first agency will be represented by Mr.

 6        Walter Kiechel, Jr., Assistant Chief of the
 7        General Litigation Section in Charge of the

 8        Water Resources Unit of the Department of

 9        Justice.
10                  Mr. Kiech-21 is familiar to many  of
xl        you because of his association with the Great

12        Lakes conversion case for many years.
13                  MR. HOLMER:  Mr. Poston, before  Mr.

14        Kiechel begins, I would like to ask on behalf

15        of a number of people who have asked me, much

16        as we want to hear Mr. Kiechel, and I know
17        his presentation will be very interesting,  but
18        there is some curiosity about the projected
19        sequence for the remainder of this afternoon.
20        Have you reached that decision yet?
21                  MR. POSTON:  I had intended to ask

22        secondly Mr. Clevenger, Chairman of the Great

23        Lakes Basin Commission, and thirdly Mr.
24        Stoddard, Regional Coordinator of the Department

25        of the Interior.
   	MR. HOLMERt  Thank you very much.	

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             WALTER  KIECHEL,  JR.


       STATEMENT BY WALTER KIECHEL,  JR.
ASST.  CHIEF  OF  THE GENERAL LITIGATION SECTION
     IN CHARGE OF THE WATER RESOURCES UNIT
     LAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION
             DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE


           MR. KIECHEL:   I assure  you, Mr. Holraer,
that I will  be  brief.
           Mr. Chairman,  distinguished conferees,
ladies and gentlemen.  I am Walter  Kiechel.   I
am representing Clyde 0. Martz, Assistant
Attorney General of  the Land and  Natural Re-
sources Division of  the Department  of Justice.
           The Department of Justice is  pleased
to accept the invitation of the Chairman to
attend and participate in this conference.  In
addition to  the functions of the  Attorney
General under the Federal Water Pollution
Control Act  generally,  we have a  special and
continuing concern with respect to  the water
quality of Lake Michigan.
           That  concern was demonstrated by the
intervention and participation of the United

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 1                     WALTER KIECHEL, JR.

 2        States in the Interstate litigation concluded

 3        in June 196? by decree of the Supreme Court of

 4        the United States.  I refer to the so-called

 5        Lake Diversion litigation, Cases 1, 2, 3 and 11

 g        Original in the Supreme Court in which the States

 7        of Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania,

 S        Michigan, New York, and Illinois, as well as

 9        the Metropolitan Sanitary District of Greater

10        Chicago, and the United States are parties.

H                  That litigation has a direct bearing

12        on this conference, not only because of the

13        relevance of its many Findings of Pact, confirmed

14        by the Supreme Court, and the scientific evidence

15        supporting such Findings, but because it points

16        the way for our future and I hope our present

17        endeavors.
18                  To pollute Lake Michigan deliberately

19        is, in this enlightened time, unthinkable.  But

20        it was not always  thus.  In fact, less than 10

21        years ago, the complainant States in that liti-

22        gation sought and  obtained the reopening of the

23        1930 Supreme Court decree on the representation

24        that the Court should require the return of

25        treated sewage effluent to Lake Michigan.

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 2                   Prominent in  the  reasons  for  interven-



 3         tion by the United States in  this reopened  liti-



 4         gation was the protection of  Lake Michigan  and



 5         the other Great Lakes as one  of the great natural



 6         resources of the Nation.  By  initiating a compre-



 7         hensive Federal pollution study of  the  Great  Lakes[



 g         results from which were introduced  into evidence



 9         and formed the basis of Findings of Fact, the



10         proposal for discharge into Lake Michigan of



11         sewage effluent was illuminated and rejected.



12                   And so, the direction today is toward



13         keeping pollution out of Lake Michigan, not



14         putting it in.  We meet here  to pursue  the common



15         goal of reducing to the maximum extent  possible



16         the introduction of pollutants into Lake Michigan



17         presently taking place.  We of the Department of



18         Justice want to assist in that endeavor.



19                   The Federal Water Pollution Control Act



20         provides several tools for water pollution abater



21         ment,  including the calling of conferences such



22         as this conference that we are having today and



23         the convening of hearings.   The Act also provides



24  j       another tool — litigation.   We do not mean to



2&         exalt  the  remedy provided the Secretary, should

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 1                     WALTER KlECHEL, JR.
 2        the other tools be to no avail, of requesting  the
 3        Attorney General to bring a suit on behalf of  the
 4        United States to secure abatement of the pollution
 5        of Lake Michigan.  We hope litigation will not be
 6        necessary.  But we do mean to make it clear  that
 7        we will not shirk our responsibilities to wield
 8        the tool of enforcement litigation should it be
 9        necessary.  Clearly, the best solution lies  in
10        cooperative and vigorous action under your
ll        leadership to develop a voluntary program which
12        will conserve this precious resource,
13                  Thank you.
14                  MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Kiechel.
15                  (Applause.)
16                  MR. STEIN:  Walter, as the first
17        Federal participant, you have opened the hunting
18        season.  Prom now on we have a different rule.
19        If there are any comments or questions on the
20        part of the conferees, the rest of the people
21        making statements will be subjected to this  nice
22        courtesy we always provide everyone making a
O«J
          statement.
24                  Do you have any?
25                  MR. HOLMER:  Yes.  When the statement

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 2         of Secretary tJdall was read, there was reference
 3         to the making of recommendations and I am not
 4         quite sure whether this is the appropriate time
 5         at which to raise this question, and if you
 6         prefer that I defer it, that will be fine.
 7                   But I would like to ask at this time
 8         whether it is within the realm of the conference
 9         to make recommendations with respect to the
10         adoption of legislation.  I noted that the'
H         PWPCA report, which we will be hearing about
12         later, suggested the adoption of a particular
13         piece of legislation governing boat operations.
14         These would not be subject, as I would understand
15         it, to the Judicial enforcement proceedings that
16         are provided under the Water Resources Act, the
17         Water Quality Act.
18                   MR. STEINt  I don't know that they are
19         calling for Federal legislation.  I am not sure
20         that we have a pattern that Is going to satisfy
21         everyone, but here is the situation.
22                   As far as Federal people are concerned,
23         we can make no recommendations as to Federal
24         legislation.  That is done by a special process,
25         as many of you who are representatives from the

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 2        Federal  agencies here know and who are a lot



 3        more  familiar with the process.  Legislation



 4        can be proposed in each department by its



 5        Secretary,   The proposals are then reviewed



 g        centrally by the Bureau of the Budget in the



 7        Office of the President,  at which time we



 g        and other departments and agencies are given



 9        the opportunity to comment.  This is not



10        the appropriate place for us  to make comments



11        on  Federal  legislation.



12                  The other Conferees can make any



13        statement they wish now as far as State legis-



14        lation is concerned.   We  have been directed in



15        the Federal Act to recommend  and take action



16        toward improved and as far as possible uniform



17        State antipollution control legislation.  We



18        have  had a  considerable amount of activity in



19        this  area.   As  a matter of fact, I think of



20        the laws put out in this  field this is probably



21        one of the  most successful, it is a best seller



22        anyway,  because we have worked with Mr, Poole,



23        Mr. Oeming,  Mr.  Klassen through the years and



24        others on the committee have  developed principals,



25        have  suggested  legislation and have certain

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                       WALTER KIECHEL, JR.

          recommendations to make.  Within  those guidelines

 3         we do make recommendations generally  to  States

 4         on legislation and when the State requests  it

 5         we will specifically comment on a particular bill.

 6                   And that is about where we  stand  on

 7         the legislative picture.

                    MR. HOLMER:  Thank you.

 9                   MR. STEIN:  Thank you.

10                   Any further comment or  question?

11                   If not, Mr. Post on.

12                   MR. POSTON:  I next call  on Mr. Raymond

13         F. Clevenger, Chairman of the Great Lakes Basin

14         Commission.  Mr. Clevenger hails  from the head-

15         quarters in Ann Arbor.

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 1                    RAYMOND P. CLEVENGER
 2
 3              STATEMENT BY RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER
 4           CHAIRMAN,  GREAT LAKES BASIN COMMISSION
 5                     ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN
 6
 7                  MR. CLEVENGER:  Mr. Chairman and
 8        gentlemen.  First let me thank you for inviting
 9        me here to make a statement.  I will try and
10        be brief,
11                  Let me also say that the Great Lakes
12        Basin Commission is not a Federal agency.  But
13        we appreciate your hospitality.
14                  While I am Chairman of the Great Lakes
15        Basin Commission, I will not try either to speak
16        for our other Commission members.  Each of the
17        States in the entire Great Lakes Basin, as well
18        as every Federal Department having a role in
19        the water and related land resources of the
20        basin, have representatives on the Commission.
21                  Let me speak, though, not only as a
22        concerned public official and citizen, but as one
23        whose family helped settle this basin.  One
24        great-grandfather, John Clevenger, was an Indian
25        fighter; another great-granduncle left from here,

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                       RAYMOND F.  CLEVENGER

 2         I  find,  to serve In the Civil War;  and like most

 3         of us,  another two of my family branches came as

           later immigrants from Ireland and Prance.

                     I was born and raised in Chicago, went

           to law school in Michigan,  and went with my

           family to  make my home  in Sault Ste. Marie, in

           Michigan's Upper Peninsula.  'Besides being a

 9 I        country  lawyer, I've served  as the  head of a

10         State agency,  the Michigan Corporation and

           Securities Commission,  and have had the privilege

           °f representing the northernmost district of

13         Michigan in the 89th Congress.

14                   When President Johnson responded to

15         the  request of the eight Great Lakes States

           Governors  and  established the Great Lakes Basin

17         Commission last April,  he also appointed me its

18         Chairman.   Since that time,  I've been getting an

19         extensive  review of the problems of the Great

20         Lakes, with many of you here as my  teachers.

2i         So I  appear here not as a detached  expert,  but

22         as one who is  going to  have  to put  my money where

23         my mouth is .

24                    We're here in conference because Lake

25         Michigan is really the  victim of our success,

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 2         not our failure.   Our population and industrial



 3         growth have exploded.  Increased leisure time



 4         and people intent on using some of their time



 5         enjoying the lake have put undreamt recreational



 6         demands on Lake Michigan.



 7                   Many of you with direct and official



 8         concern with water quality conditions have been



 9         alert to the problems caused by this success.



lO         And because of such concern, our legislatures



11         have worked overtime to change our laws to



12         meet these new conditions and problems.  You



13         know that these laws have been required by



14         problems growing each year in geometric pro-



15         portions.  This conference can help us decide



16         how we can best use these laws not only to keep



17         our water problems from getting worse, but to



18         make some headway in solving them.



19                   As I see Lake Michigan, and the entire



20         Great Lakes Basin for that matter, our activities



21         concerning the lake have been fragmented.  But



22         this is because the problems and our response to



23         them were fragmented.  Lake Michigan and the



24         other lakes were  a vast sea.  As pockets of



25         population settled along the shores, communities

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 2          could  act  independently.   So  long as  you  could
 3          take your  drinking water upstream,  empty  your
 4          sewers  downstream, have your  swimming beaches
 g          far enough away  from your  water intakes,  send
 6          your fishermen to northern Wisconsin  and  Michi-
 7          gan, and have your dishes and  clothes  washed in
 8          old-fashioned soap, you had little  concern  for
 9          problems.
IQ                    The problems  generated  by the demand
H          for each use of  the water, as well  as the prob-
12          lems caused by the use  itself, could  be resolved
13          by setting up a  new city department,  or creating
14          a new  type of municipal corporation,  such as a
15          sanitary or water district.
16                    And to make a very  long story short,
17          this is what we  did.  Our  problems  and agencies
18          didn't  begin to  run into each other until our
19          population increases and our  mobility compressed
20          Chicago and Benton Harbor  into an hour's  drive
21          instead of a day's excursion. Or,  to put it
22          more crudely, our problems weren't  great  until
23          we found that one city's waste was  another  city's
24          drinking water.  Or again, until  we learned that
25          thts technological change that helped  build  the

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 2         factory to hire you for 40 hours each week also

 3         spewed into the lake the beach-closers and fish-

 4         killers.

 5                   Each part of the lake fought back.  As

 6         our problems began running into other problems,

 7         we created more problem-solvers.  In 1966, an

 8         Oceanography Committee of the Federal Council

 9         for Science and Technology published an informal

lO         report on the "Aquatic Sciences in the Great

H         Lakes Area."  In summarizing these activities,

12         they found that over 91 State, Federal and inter-

13         national  agencies were listed as having some

14         water science activities in the Great Lakes,

15         over 91 of them.  And this didn't attempt to

16         list local government activities, much less those

17         of non-governmental entities.

18                   Almost all of these agencies are over-

19         worked, understaffed, and Just beginning to get

20         public recognition of the losses because of in-

21         sufficient action,  as well as acceptance of the

22         dollar-cost of action.  Indeed, as we add staff

23         and increase the number of agencies,  we find

24         that with the population growth, we've gotten

25         even further behind.   And as the problems

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 2          become  critical  In more places  and more  places
 8          spend money,  they each  find  themselves  in
 4          agonizing  competition for  money,  materials,
 6          and men to do the Job.
 6                    Finally, we're finding,  as  usual,
 7          that some  of  our solutions become bigger prob-
 8          lems than  the one resolved.   Not only are the
 9          solutions  in  conflict,  but the  agencies, given
10          problems to solve, find themselves in conflict
n          with other agencies  trying to carry out  their
12          own problem-solving  mission.
13                    Well,  one  could  go  on,  but  you know
14          all of  this.   Suffice it to  say that  in  a very
15          complex society, we've  come  to  recognize that
IQ          what happens  in  Lake Michigan affects what
17          happens in the other Great Lakes;  that  the solu-
18          tion to one problem  has to be related to the
19          solution for  other problems;  and that what one
20          unit of government does within  its claim of
21          sovereign  right  must be related to what  another
22          unit of government does under its claim  of right.
23          In other words,  we have come  to recognize that
24          there must be both coordination of activity and
25          comprehensiveness of activity.

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 2                    Congress  recognized these concepts when



 3          it  enacted the  Federal  Wat.er Pollution Control



 4          Act under  which this conference is  being held,



 5          But it has gone further and recognized that the



 6          coordinated and comprehensive action to solve



 7          pollution  problems  must also be related to



 g          coordinated and comprehensive programs in every



 9          other aspect of the water  resource.  And hence



10          the Water  Resources Planning Act (Public Law



11          89-90) passed in 1965*



12                    Under this Act,  as you know, Congress



13          authorized the  creation of river basin commissions



14          when requested  by the States involved and with



15          the concurrence of  the  Federal Government.



16                    In our case,  the Great Lakes Basin



17          Commission covers the entire Great  Lakes Basin.



18          The Governors have  appointed top-level State



19          executives  as their representatives.   Federal



20          Departments  having  a responsibility for any



21          water resource  work in  the Great Lakes have



22          likewise appointed  their top executives as  members



23          Thus each  conferee  here has  also a  representative



24          of  your State or department  on the  Commission.



25                    The principal duties of the Great Lakes

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 2          Basin  Commission are:
 3              1.   To  engage  In  such activities and
 4              sake such studies  and investigations
 j              as  are  necessary  and desirable to con-
 6              serve,  develop, and utilize the water
 7              and related land  resources  of the
 8              Great Lakes on a  comprehensive and
 9              coordinated basis  by the Federal
10              Government, States, localities, and
11              private enterprise with the coopera-
12              tion of  all affected Federal agencies,
13              States,  local  governments,  individuals,
14              corporations,  business  enterprises, and
15              others  concerned;  and
16              2.   To  engage  in  such activities and
17              make such studies  and investigations
18              as  are  necessary  and desirable to:
19                    (a)   Serve as the  principal agency
20                    for the coordination of Federal,
21                    State, interstate,  local and non-
22                    governmental  plans  for the develop-
23                    ment of water and  related land
24                    resources of  the Great Lakes;
25                    (b)   Prepare  and keep  up to date,

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                      to the extent practicable, a  compre-
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                      henslve, coordinated, joint plan for
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                      Federal, State, Interstate, local
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                      and non-governmental development of
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                      water and related land resources;
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  g                    provided, that the plan shall in-
  9                    elude an evaluation of all reason-

10                    able alternative means of achieving
                      optimum development of water  and
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                      related land resources of the Great
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                      Lakes Basin, and It may be prepared
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16                    with respect to individual projects.
17                         (c)  Recommend long-range
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                      schedules of priorities for
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                      the collection and analysis of
20
                      basic data and for investigation,
21
22                    planning, and construction of
23
24
25

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 !                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER
 2                   projects; and
 3                   (d)   Foster and undertake such
 4                   studies of water and related land
 6                   resources problems of the Great
 6                   Lakes area as are necessary in
 7                   the preparation of the plan de-
 8                   scribed in clause (b) above.
 9                   There is much more that could be said
10         about our Great Lakes Basin Commission, but suf-
U         fice it. to say that in my opinion this conference
12         may want to take a full and measured look at what
13         might be done by utilizing this legislation in
14         conjunction with your existing State and Federal
15         laws specifically aimed at pollution control.
16                   Someone somewhere pointed out how
17         the Basin Commission could be used.  It states
18         well the point that enactment of the Water
19         Quality Act of 1965 marks the important policy
20         shift of the National water pollution control
21         program from an emphasis on the abatement of
22         pollution to the 'controlled management of future
23         water quality.
24                   Authority and responsibility to manage
25         the quality of the waters of the Lake Michigan

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 I                     RAYMOND F.  CLEVENGER



 2         Basin,  however,  remain  widely dispersed among



 3         Federal,  State  and local agencies.   Because of



 4         this  dispersion,  an urgent need, along with



 5         essential improvements  in State and local



 g         pollution control programs,  is intergovernmental



 7         arrangements through which all levels  of govern-



 g         ment  will coordinate their separate programs in



 9         the basin to achieve the water use  and water



10         quality objectives established in the  water



H         quality standards program.



12                   The specifics of these arrangements



13         include the  following essential functions or



14         features:



15              1.   The arrangements are to provide



16              means for  coordinating  water quality



17              management  programs within the Lake



18              Michigan Basin as  a whole, within



19              individual  watersheds tributary to



20              the  lake,  and within major metropoli-



21              tan  areas  in the basin.



22              2.   The arrangements are to involve



23              as participants  all of  the Federal



24              agencies, State  and local governments



25              in the  basin who manage  the quality of

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   	it-gO
 I                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER
 2              the basin's water resources, and where
 3              appropriate, industries and other pri-
 4              vate activities as well.
 5              3«   Initial emphasis is to be given to
 6              the development of coordinated programs
 7              to  implement standards already estab-
 8              lished in the Lake Michigan Basin and
 9              then to serve as the vehicle for joint
10              and continuing development of inter-
11              governmental action programs to improve
12              these standards.
13                   Specific elements to be included in
14         these coordinated implementation programs are,
15         assuming that you and others accept these
16         recommendations:
17              a.   Identification of and agreement
18              on  priorities among the various re-
19              search,  technological, financial,  or
20              institutional problems and needs in
21              the Lake Michigan Basin.
22              b.   The  particular waste treatment or
23              other water-quality management activ-
24              ities which  each level of government,
25              or  other participating entity,  will

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 t                      RAYMOND P.  CLEVENGER
                undertake  with respect to the
 z
                planning of new or improved con-
 3
                tinuing programs.
                c.   Methods of funding planned
 5
                projects and programs  in the Lake
 6
                Michigan Basin,  including cost-
                sharing arrangements where these
 O
                are  necessary for  a particular
 9
10               project or activity.
                d.   Arrangements for the flow and
._               exchange of data which are necessary
.,               for  a  coordinated  and  basin-wide
10
14               approach to the water-quality manage-
15               ment program in  the Lake Michigan
16               Bas in.
17               e.   Procedures  for Initiating or
18               continuing needed  studies  and planning
19               to develop technological,  financial,
20               or institutional solutions to existing
2i               impediments  to  effective basin-wide
22               management of water quality in the
23               Lake Michigan Basin.
24               f»   Arrangements for consultation
25               with civic and other groups  interested

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 1                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER




 2              in the quality of the waters of the




 3              Lake Michigan Basin and for the dis-




               semination of information to the




               citizens of the basin and their




               elected representatives in order



               that the latter may understand and




               properly guide the basin's water-



 9              quality management programs.




10              S«  Methods for reviewing progress



               under a particular action program,




12              and based on such review, the adjust-



13              raent of the current program or formu-




14              lation of a new action program.




15                   The vehicle for developing this needed




16         intergovernmental coordination of water-quality



17         management programs throughout the Lake Michigan



18         Basin is the newly established Great Lakes Basin



19         Commission.   Including representatives from all




20         States in the basin and from all Federal water



21         resources agencies, this entity is charged by




22         the Water Resources Planning Act of 1965 with



23         serving as the principal agency for the coordi-



24         nation of Federal,  State,  local and private




25         plans for the development of the water and related

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 1                     RAYMOND F. CLEVEHGER
 2         land resources of the Great Lakes Basin.  As one
 3         phase of this role, the Commission also will
 4         develop, if needed, more permanent organizational
 5         or procedural arrangements for managing the water
 6         and related land resources of the Great Lakes
 7         Basin.
 8                   It Is urged, accordingly, that all
 9         Federal  agencies, the States and local governments
10         In the Lake Michigan Basin, and private Interests
11         concerned with water-quality management in the
12         Basin, join in employing the structure and
is         program  of the new Commission as the vehicle
14         through  which all levels of government In the
15         Basin will coordinate their pollution control
16         programs to achieve the immediate and long-range
17         objectives of an optimum water-quality program.
18                   Gentlemen,  what has been said in this
19         is what  I believe must be included in your
20         recommendations.
21                   In conclusion,  let me add one point
22         that I'm sure we  all  recognize.  What's said
23         above relates primarily to institutional change
24         for better pollution  fighting or pollution
25         abatement.   But we also must recognize that at

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 !                     RAYMOHD P. CLEVEHGER

 2         some point we have to find ways of making

 3         choices between alternative uses of our water

 4         resources.  One function of the planning effort

 5         is to have choices made with knowledge and

 6         wisdom, not alone with emotion*

 7                   Thank you very ouch.

 g                   (Applause.)

 9                   MR* STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Clevenger.

10                   Any comments or questions?

11                   Mr. Foston.

12                   MR. POSTON:  I would like to ask Mr.

13         Clevenger about the attitude his Commission

14         might take toward conclusions and recommendations

15         put out by this conference, whether they would

IQ         be incorporated as part of his plan and what his

17         Commission might do toward assistance in

18         implementing recommendations made by this

19         conference.

20                   I recognize that Mr. Clevenger's

21         organization is relatively new and his staffing

22         is Just under way, and our agency as well as

23         other State agencies represented here today

24         have similar working relationships with the

25         Great Lakes Basin Commission, and I wondered

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   	425
 1                     RAYMOND F. CLBVBNGER

 2         whether he would care to comment on just how

 3         his  agency and this conference might work

 4         together.

 5                   MR.  CLEVENGER:  Let me say, Mr.

 6         Poston, that first I am sure that our Commission

 7         is going to give careful consideration.  Along

 g         with you on your rostrum I see one member of

 9         the  Commission,  Mr. Mitchell, the alternate

10         member of  the  Commission,  Mr. Oeming, another

11         alternate  member from Wisconsin, Mr. Holmer.

12         And  with me today I have got a couple of others

13         in case we run into any serious problems.

14                   Let  me answer twofold.  First of all

15         I am sure  the  Commission is going to--this is

16         one  of the problems on our next agenda for

17         a meeting  February 15, which I hope will be

18         Just after you conclude these, and if I spend

19         too  much time  here you won't be able to conclude

20         then, I realize.   But let me give you my own

21         views  on what  I  think.

22                   I think we have  got too many  compre-

23         hensive and coordinating agencies doing separate

24         comprehensive  and coordinating studies and they

25         never  meet together.   I think that it would be

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 I                     RAYMOND P. CLEVENGER
 2         wrong if we left this conference proceeding,
 3         not necessarily these next few days, without
 4         seeing if we can't incorporate this entire
 5         structure that you create and link it within
 6         the Commission.
 7                   You see, our Commission is not a
 g         separate agency.  Our Commission is the State
 9         of Michigan and every other State in the basin,
10         it is the Federal agencies that have a water
H         resource responsibility.  The whole idea was
12         to pull it together and not add on another
13         level.  We have got too many levels, too many

14         people, too many agencies.  We have got to  try
15         and bring it together.
16                   I don't think we have the personnel
17         and the talent in our society, much less in
18         the Great Lakes Basin or the Lake Michigan
19         Basin, to do this Job two, three or four times.
20         We only can do it once.  And what you do ought
21         to be what is done by us, because this whole
22         structure--you know, we all operate under the
23         Federal and State laws—this whole structure
24         can be brought together and we ought not
25         duplicate it.

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 I                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER

 2                   Now, that is my view.  And I have a

 3         hope that this Is going to be the view, as I

 4         suggested, of the conferees.  It is a question

 5         of linking, not a question of duplicating.  It

 6         is a question of coordinating, not of controlling.

 7         It is a way of letting the experts have their

 8         expert knowledge apply to where the problem is

 9         and not trying to—  You know, we run out of

jo         money and we run out of people and every agency

H         is trying to do something that others are trying

12         to do, but each one of the agencies say, "We

13         don't have enough money, we don't have enough

14         people, we don't have that critical mass that

15         is necessary."

16                   Well, for God's.sake, let's bring these

17         resources and people and money together and do
18         the Job.  It only has to be done once.  When
19         you clean up the pollution of Lake Michigan
20         in the Illinois and Indiana and Wisconsin and
21         Michigan parts of the lake, there is nothing

22         more to clean up.

23                   Well, you ought to hear me on Sunday
24         morning.

25                   (Laughter.and applause.)

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 1                      RAYMOND F.  CLEVENGER
 2                    You know, if  I had known, Murray,
 3          that you were going to  ask the questions, I
 4          would have suggested a  few.
 5                    (Laughter.)
 6                    MR. STEIN: Any further comments or
 7          questions?
 g                    MR. BOSTON:   Well, I couldn't agree
 9          with Mr,  Clevenger more, that we don't need
10          planning,  what we need  is some action now.
11          And  I think that is what we are here at this
12          meeting for,  to generate some action.  And I
13          hope that that is what  comes out of this con-
14          ference.
15                    MR. CLEVENGER:  May I intrude on
16          maybe  your   dinner  hours, and let me suggest
17          what we are  doing,  what we are trying to do,
18          in the  alewife situation.
19                    You know, when X amelied the alewives
20          and  when I tried to walk through them, they
21          looked  like  they were awful pollutants to me.
22          But  we  are not yet sure whether we are going
23          to describe  dead alewives as pollutants.
24                    MR. STEIN: Who isn't sure?
25                    MR. CLEVENGER:  Thank you very much.

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 I                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER
 2         I agree with you.  And now that it has been
 3         decided (laughter and applause) let me tell
 4         you what I think we ought to do.
 5                   You know, when the alewlves were about
 6         three feet high and the stench had gotten back
 7         to Austin Boulevard, one of the Departments,
 g         the Department of Interior, set up a task force
 9         within itself to exazalne the alewife problem.
10         Now,  all of us would have thought that the
11         alewife problem was  the millions of dead ones
12         on the beaches.  The task force met and con-
13         sidered that the role of the Federal Government
14         is not necessarily that of a dead fish picker-
15         upper and that really their role was to look
16         at the imbalance, the ecological imbalance in
17         the lake,  and the task force turned 180 degrees
18         around and said, "Well, we won't worry, we will
19         do some research on picking up that fish,"
20         although I think we could pretty well tell
21         them how to do it,"( laughter)  "but we will look
22         at the long-range problems and do a study and
23         give  us five million dollars."
24                   The State of Michigan, as Mr. Kelley
25         pointed out, had a smaller task force or group

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 I                      RAYMOND P.  CLEVEHGER
 2          to look at picking up dead alewives and they
 3          came back and said, "Give us $875,000 and we
 4          can pick it up.   We need so many new machines,
 5          we need so many  new people, we need so many
 6          trawlers,  and we can do a Job."  They did not
 7          consider what could be  done with the machinery,
 g          with the men, with the  equipment, with the
 9          budgets that they had.
10                    Another agency recently came out and
ll          said,  "what we need is  $3,000,000 and it ought
12          to be  split between the Federal Government and
13          the State  Governments."  And they arrived at
14          that $3,000,000  by the  technique of saying,
15          "Well,  if  it costs $875,000 for Michigan, that
16          is about a third of the distance around the
17          lake,  it must cost three times that,  add a
18          little  more in case it  gets some Kentucky wind
19          damage  and it is $3,000,000."  And that was
20          the scientific study.
21                    Our Commission felt that we ought  to
22          do this--and we  have on our Commission the
23          responsible administrators  in the States and
24          the responsible administrators in the Federal
25          agencies.

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 1                     RAYMOUD P. CLEVENGER



 2                   We said why can't we first take the



 3         technical competence that we have and work out



 4         a comprehensive answer?  Here is the problem,



 5         dead fish.  How, what are we going to do with



 6         it?  Don't worry about State boundary lines



 7         or this agency, but what do you do when you



 g         have got that many dead fish?  When we get



 9         that program, then let's call together aid



10         involve these in developing them, the State



11         agencies, the Park District of Chicago, the



12         recreational districts of the States, the



13         municipal governments, the health departments,



14         every single governmental agency whether



15         Federal, State, local, and voluntary groups,



16         and the Chamber of Commerce groups over on



17         our side of the lake that represent some of



18         the people that lost $50,000,000, and let's



19         see if we can divide up the work that has to



20         be done and coordinate the work and have each



21         one of them within their existing capabilities



22         do part of the Job.



23                   Now, when we are finished we may



24         still need more money and I hope we get it.



25         But if we do ask for it, it is going to be

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                      RAYMOND F. CLEVENGER

          asked for on the basis of knowing that all of

 3         the resources ve have are committed In a compre-

 4         hensive and coordinated way and not duplicated

          and not one at a time.  You know, we—well,

 .         there is much more that could be said.
 D
 7                   But this is how X think and this is

 8         what I think coordination and comprehensiveness

          involve.  This is how I think the Federal Govern

10         aent and the State Government and the local

n         governments and the private individuals can

          work together to solve the very real problems

13         of the lakes and the other resource problems

14         that we have*

15                   MR. STEINJ  You know, you just raised

16         the ante.  You said 8?5-  I read Nick Olds'

17         statement again and it says 827, and as I

          read it they want the Government to pay half.

19         Do you go down to their 827 figure?

2o                   MR. CLEVENGER:  You always want to

21         read, Mr. Stein--well, you are a lawyer—you

22         always want to read a lawyer's figure very

23         carefully.

24                   (Laughter.)

25                   MR. STEIH:  That is right.

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 !                     RAYMOSD F.  CLEVEBGER
 2                    MR.  CLEVENGER:   That la the Michigan
 3          figure?
 4                    MR.  STEIN:  That is rig*t.   Bat you
 6          had  875.   I figured that—
 6                    MR.  CLEVENGER:   Oh, are you quibbling
 7          about  827  to 875?   Veil,  you know that we plus
 8          or minus 100,000,
 9                    (Laughter,)
jo                    MR.  STEIN:  That is right.   You are
11          a country  lawyer,  I am  a  big city lawyer, and
12          that is the way we do business.     The
13          difference is  $48,000.  If I can knock it down
14          half I have Just saved  a  claim or an  intended
15          claim  against  the  Federal Government  of $24,000.
1$          I might have made--
17                    MR.  CLEVBNGER:   We will knock it down.
is          We will knock  it down.
19                    MR.  STEIN:  But I agree this is a
20          point,that we  should get  together with the
21          alewife problem.
22                    I would  like  to make one suggestion.
23          There  is some  confusion on that  in the statements
24          that are made.   I  don't think there has been
25          any  linkage, and we are going to get  into the

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                       RAYMOKB P.  CLEVENQER
 2         alewife problem in more detail a little later.
 3         And we were into that in rather complete detail
 4         in our lover Lake Michigan conference here a
 5         few months ago—at the progress meeting.a few
 6         months ago.
 7                   There is no indication that pollution
           causes the death of alewives,  but I don't think
 9         anyone who was around Lake Michigan last summer
10         would contend that after the alewives die they
n         don't create a pollution problem*
                     MR. CLEVENGER:  I agree.  Thank you
           for saying so.
14                   Thank you very much, gentlemen,
15                   MR. STEIN:  Thank you
                     MR. HOLMER:  Mr. Stein.
17                   MR. STEIN:  Yes, sir.
18                   (Applause.)
19                   MR. STEIH:  Would you wait a moment,
           Mr. Clevenger?
21                   MR. HOLMER:  This new Commission of
22         which Mr.  Clevenger is the Chairman is neither
23         a Federal  nor a State agency.   It is a Federal
24         hyphen State agency, as he indicated when he
25         began.  There is a fairly significant difference

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 1                    RAYMOND P. CLEVENGER
 2        and It raises a number of questions about the
 3        proposed use of the Basin Commission in quite
 4        the way that Mr. Clevenger was suggesting.
 5                  This is a very useful organization
 6        because of its composition.  But if, for
 7        example, the problems that confront this
 g        conference were simply to be referred to the
 9        Commission for coordination and for planning,
10        that would leave us in a sad way, would it not?
11                  MR. CLEVENGER:  And I hope you didn't
12        understand that I was suggesting that.  I am
13        not.
14                  MR. HOLMER:  All right.
15                  The chief function of the Commission
16        under the Federal Water Resources Planning Act
17        is the  development of a comprehensive water
18        management plan.  Is that a  succinct
19        statement of  the mission?
20                  MR. CLEVENGER:  There are two.  That
21        is one.
22                  MR. HOLMER:  And the other?
23                  MR. CLEVENGSR:  The other is  to engage
24        in 8ucn activities and make  such studies and
25        investigations  as are necessary to carry out

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 1                      RAYMOND P.  CLEVENGER
 2          the policy  of  the  Act,  and the policy of the Act
 3          is to  conserve,  develop and utilize the water
 4          and related land resources of  the  Great Lakes
 5          on a comprehensive and  coordinated basis by
 6          the Federal Government,  States,  localities  and
 7          private enterprise  with the cooperation of all
 8          affected Federal agencies,  States,  local govern-
 9          ments, individuals,  corporations,  business
10          enterprises, and others  concerned.  And then
U          it says to  engage  in such  activities  and make
1|          such studies and investigations  as  are  necessary
13          to carry out the planning.
14                   But there  are  two duties  imposed  by
15         Section 204 of the Act.  And because  this re-
16         quires that the  actions  be done  by  consensus
17         and with the participation of all the govern-
18         mental units, it is  the authority to do  it.   it
19         doesn't compel you to do it, but it is  an
20         authorization to do it.  It permits us  to have
21         this  structure within which all of  the agencies
22         can coordinate and work together.
oo
**                   MR. HOLMER:  Now, we  have a related
24         question.   Under the Act under  which this
25         conference is being held, the recommendations

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                       RAYMOND F.  CLEVENGER



           of  the  Secretary are made to the water pollution



 .          control agencies of the States and to the
 o


 .          Federal agencies.  Is this not a correct



 .          reading of  the  statute?



 _                    MR.  STEIN:  We make those to the
 o


           State.   Now, we do have a Federal Executive



 8          Order.   It  amounts to the same thing.  I just



           want,  because  we are talking for the record,



           to  be  accurate.  We proceed with the Federal



..          agencies under  the Federal Executive Order,



           but when the conferees  unanimously have made



           recommendations and conclusions about Federal



           agencies and they make  them to the Secretary,



15          the Secretary  proceeds  with the system of



           getting action  under the Federal Executive



           Order  to clean  up those Federal agencies.



lg          Meanwhile we make recommendations to the State



19          water  pollution control agencies to take ap-



20          propriate action under  State and local law



21          to  clean up pollution in their Jurisdiction.



22                   MR. HOLMER:  Recommendations made



23          to  the  State agencies are, if ignored by the



24          States, enforceable in the courts.  Would a



25          recommendation  made to  the Basin Commission

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   	438
 1                     RAYMOND P. CLEVENGER
 2         be subject to either  the Executive  Order  or
 3         the statute?
 4                   MR. STEIN:  Our  statutory procedure
 5         is clear, and we move inexorably  either to
 6         get the answer  telling us  we  are  not going to
 7         do it or we are going to follow out the
 8         recommendations here  and clean up pollution.
 9         And I think that has  been  our record.
10                   I know Mr.  Lynch made some reflection
11         in his talk that is what we do, but right now
12         I think we will hear  from  Mr. Poole and Mr.
13         Klassen.
14                   In Chicago  we probably  have the
15         biggest industrial waste cleanup  construction
16         program in the  history of  the country going
17         on right under  our noses as the result of a
18         Federal-State conference such as  this and the
19         oil industry and the  steel industry is moving
20         ahead.
21                   New York City is just putting  in a
22         $220,000,000 plant going in Manhattan from 138th
23         to 145th Street, one  of the largest in the
24         country.
25                   But I think if we ever  go and  follow

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 l                     RAYMOND F. CLEVENGEB
 2         this through, Mr. Holmer is entirely right,
 3         we have to follow our statute.  First we
 .         refer to the State agency.  We have in almost
 _         all cases had satisfactory results after such
 o
          referral.  As far as I am concerned, the States,
 o
          particularly the States in this area, have
 Q         done a Magnificent Job in cleaning up pollution
 O
          after the Federal-State conferences and they
          have cleaned it up under State law, where we
          have set the schedule and come up with specifics.
          I am not talking about special programs.  But
          we can go down step by step and these programs
          that the States have are proceeding.  But we
15         have no authority except in our planning author-
          i t y, to refer it to anyone else under this
          procedure of the Federal Act and we will follow
lg         the Act's procedures specifically.
19                   The Congress, as you know, is very,
20         very specific in the enforcement provisions
21         of the Act.  They almost left nothing to chance,
22         very little to discretion at this stage, and
23         we will work with the State agencies as we
24         always have.
25                   Any other questions or comments?

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 1                     RAYMOND P. CLEVENGER



 2                   If not, thank you very much, Mr,



 3         Clevenger.



 4                   MR. MITCHELL:  Mr. Chairman,



 5                   MR. STEIN:  Yes.



 6                   MR. MITCHELL:  I would like to make



 7 !        a comment.



 8                   MR. STEIN:  Mr. Mitchell,



 9                   MR. MITCHELL:  In regard  to the Great



10         Lakes Basin Commission, the Act says that



11         nothing Is construed In the Act to  diminish either



12         Federal or State Jurisdiction, and  if I inter-



13         pret Mr. Clevenger's comments he is not saying



14         that we should diminish our own respective



15         jurisdictions.  He is saying that as we plan



16         on a long-range basis that we ought to take



17         advantage of this new interstate or inter-



18         governmental agency.



19                   MR. CLEVENGERt  What I read about this


20
          very two or three pages of recommendations,



21         sometime in private I will tell you where I


22
          got those.


23
                    But the whole point of this is we



24         ought not to work in isolation.  I  think we


25
          can find a way and I think this is  something

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   	441
 1                     RAYMON0 P.  CLEVENGER
 2          that  is  going  to happen.
 3                    It is  relatively easy, I  would hope,
 4          at  this  point  to recognize the  need to stop
 5          point by point pollution.   What you are
 0          recommending is  really  what people  have felt
 7          for years  and  you are marking it and doing that
 g          Job.   But  in order to clean up  the  lake,  there
 9          is  going to have to be  some coordinated activity
10          and we ought not to just sort of separate and
11          have  separate  groups of the same people trying
12          to  solve essentially the same problem.
13                    MR.  STEIN:  I think we all agree with
14          that.  And as  I  read the reports on this,  Just
15          merely correcting point by point pollution
16          around the fringes of the  lake  very well  may
17          not do the job here.  We may have to go quite
18          a bit beyond that.  As  a matter of  fact,  our
19          roster of  experts  tomorrow calls for specialists
20          on  eutrophication,  currents,  phosphate  removal,
21          and I  think there  are very many broad problems
22          that  we  are going to have  to get into that
23          the conferees  are  going to have to  consider.
24                    Are  there  any comments or questions?
25                    If not,  thank you very much.

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 j I                    RAYMOHD F.  CLEVENGER




 2                    MR.  CLEVENGER:   Thank you very much.




 „                    MR.  STEIN: Veil,  Mr. Poston, we have
 o



 .          run  out  of lawyers.  You  can "bring on your



 _          engineers  and  scientists.




                     (Laughter.)



                     MR.  POSTON:   Well, I would like to




           ask  Mr.  Stoddard, Regional Coordinator  for
 O


 Q          the  Western Great Lakes area of the United
 9


10          States Department of the  Interior, to come




u          up at this time.  I think that there are



12          several  other  Department  of Interior agencies




13          represented and Mr. Stoddard will possibly




14          introduce  those.



15                    I wondered, Mr. Stoddard, if we might



16          have some  report on the alewife situation?



17                    MR.  STEIN: If  you would like to



18          gauge yourself, we would like to get out




19          sometime around 5 o'clock and gauge your




20          presentation to that.



21                    MR.  STODDARD:  I will.  We Will post-




22          pone the alewife discussion until I finish the



23          formal statements here, Mr.  Poston.




24                    MR.  POSTON:   All right.



25                    MR.  STODDARD: I have "been asked by

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 2         the Geological Survey and the Bureau of Mines

 3         to present their formal statements.  They are

 4         unable to be here today.  And following these

 5         statements the other Bureaus which you referred

 §         to will give their statements in person.

 7
 g               STATEMENT OF CHARLES H. STODDARD

 9        REGIONAL COORDINATOR, WESTERN GREAT LAKES AREA

10                TJ.  S. D2PARTN3NT OF THE INTERIOR

11
12                   MR. STODDARD:  My statement is quite

13         brief.  It is not intended to duplicate, co-

14         ordinate nor provide any advance disclosure

15         of the complete and carefully drawn statements to be

16         made by the several Interior bureau regional

17         offices, but rather to make some suggestions
18         for your longer term consideration, particu-

19         larly in the research field, by the universities,

20         by the Federal bureaus, by the State agencies,

21         and so forth.

22                   During the past year I have had an

23         opportunity,  a rather unique opportunity,  to

24         spend some time going into the whole question

25         of the technology and the economics of the

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 1                       CHARLES  H.  STODDARD



 2          various  aspects  of  the  quality of the environ-



 3          ment  and the  deterioration that has  taken



 4          place. And  out of these  studies I would like



 5          to  identify for  your  consideration a few of



 6          what  seem to  me  highly  significant points



 7          relative to controlling  Lake Michigan pollution,



 8          particularly  in  the face of our expanding



 9          population  and economic  growth in the Basin.



10                   I think from  our earlier discussions



11          it  is  quite clear that unless present waste



12          disposal is curtailed the lake is headed for



13          fairly rapid  deterioration.  It is equally



14          clear  that  we must  deal  immediately with the



15  i        backlog  of  needed treatment facilities,  both



16          industrial  and municipal, which must be in-



17          stalled  to  arrest this  deterioration and which



18          can no longer be postponed.  Nationwide the



19          backlog  of  investment has increased  from six



20          billion  dollars  in  about 1958 to a figure



21          Just released in the  last several days from



22          the Federal Water Pollution Control  Administration



23          of  twenty-six billion dollars.  This is  10



24          years  of growth  of  backlog despite the really



25          major  efforts that  we have been making during

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 2         the  1960's.



 3                   It  is  probably less  clear that even



 4         if we  deal with  this  backlog  the  real threat



 5         in the foreseeable  future is the accelerating



 6         rate of our economic  and population expansion



 7         the  effluent  of  which could  bring  on final



 8         disaster.  It is estimated that  in 50 years



 9         water  use  in  the Great Lakes,  Lake Michigan,



10         will be 3  times  the present  use/ that our



11         economic activity could  be 6 times the present



12         rate of activity.   I  think this  perhaps takes



13         exception  with Chairman  Clevenger's point



14         that onee  we  clean  up the lake it  is done



15         for, we don't have  to worry  anymore.   I thinK



16         our  real worries are  ahead of  us.



17                   It  is  even  less clear  that we must



18         think  about and  plan  for built-in  prevention



19         as well as correction of present pollution

AA

   I       sources if the present eutrophication trends


21
          are  not only  to  be  stopped but reversed. This


22
          means  acceleration  of the technology of waste


23
          utilization,  not simply  treatment.


24
                    We  are hardly  even now discussing


25
          the  question  of  whether  prevention can and

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                       CHARLES H. STODDARD

 2         should consist of recycling presently wasted

 3         materials by considering them a valuable

          natural resource to be utilized and no longer

          wasted.  Fertilizers, minerals, useful chemi-

          cals and other byproducts needed by our ex-

          panding economy can be derived from currently

          wasted resources.

                    The Milwaukee Sanitary Commission

10         years ago pioneered in the production of

          Milorganite—I think most lawn keepers are

12         familiar with Milorga«ite--and they sold  this

13         at a loss, but they turned loose fewer solids

14         into Lake Michigan and produced some revenue

          from this process.  We have hardly mentioned

16         the possibility of subsidizing the cost of

          utilization of these waste materials (if they

lg         do not break even in processing)as an alternative

19         to spending large sums to partially treat them

20         and then dispose of the residual effluents

21         anyway

22                   It has been mentioned that we do

23         have to give special attention to controls

24         over the two new types of pollution which

25         are hitting us quite recently, and we  can foresee

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          much more concern in the future over them.
2


          Thermal pollution and agricultural pesticides,
3


          if left unattended, could undo all of our



          present efforts to control other sources.
5


           Athelstan  Spilhaus, the geophysicist, made
6


          a rather interesting statement at the American



          Association of Advancement of Science on the
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          whole question of the total extinction of
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.         Junk and waste by carefully-designed processing



          and recycling of all waste products.  "Junk,"



..         he said, "is a word that epitomizes the



13         immorality and ignorance of not recycling.



14         What we need is the Jump toward total recycling,



15         control at the source, symbiosis of industry



16         and massive experiments with entirely new



17         technologies toward this end.



18                   On all of these aspects of the prob-



19         lem, the Interior team of bureaus has accumulated



20         much information and is ready to go into research



2i         to find answers to technical and economic im-



22         pediments still blocking effective recycling



23         of wasted materials.



24                   Now, I have the statements here of



25         the Bureau of Mines and the Geological Survey.

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 1                     CHARLES H. STODDARD
 2                  Area Director Bishop of  the Bureau
 3        of Mines had a very sore throat and was hoarse,
 4        so that he wasn't able to give it.
 5
 6           STATEMENT OP THE U. S. BUREAU OF MINES
 7           0. M. BISHOP,  AREA DIRECTOR, AREA III
 8
 9                  The Department of the Interior has
10        recently issued Conservation Yearbook No. 4,
11        titled ttMan--An Endangered Species?"  It
12        states, wMan stands at a fork in his environ-
13        mental road to the future."   Will he sue-
14        cumb to overpopulation and technology
15        that too often fails to consider the en-
16        vireminent and the necessities of ecological
17        systems other than that which he thinks
18        to be his own?
19                  Modern man's use of minerals illus-
20        trates both his genius and his failure in this
21        respect.  In the Chicago Harbor area the steel
22        industry produces tens of millions of tons of
23        steel and iron products annually,  and each
24        year also produces several hundred thousand tons
25        of flue dusts which are recovered  from the

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 I                    U.  S.  BUREAU  OF  MIRES



 2        open hearth,  basic-oxygen, and electric  furnace



 3        off-gases, but  are largely not reprocessed for



 4        their  60 percent Iron  content  because  the



 5        physical structure,  zinc  content,  or some  other



 6        factor makes  It more economic  to ship  In new



 7        iron ore rather than utilize the flue  dust.



 8                  Such  flue  dusts formed a very  considerable



 9        part of the 7.^ million cubic  yards of material



10        dredged from  the Indiana  and Calumet Harbor areas



11        from May 19*1-9 through  July 1967.



12                  These 7.^  million  cubic  yards  of



13        dredging contained iron oxides, zinc,  cadmium,



14        and petroleum sludges  that are not only  pollutants,



is        but also are  mineral resources in  our  hands  if  we



16        follow the conservation ethic.



17                  We  cannot  afford to  treat these



18        materials solely as  pollutants or  garbage.



19        They must also  be  looked  upon  as the raw



20        material for  research, Jobs, and manufactures.



21        Just as the astronaut  must learn to meet long-



22        term water, food,  and  material supply  by re-



23        cycling his wastes,  so must  man on his space



24        vehicle, Earth, recycle his wastes.



25                  I do  not believe old automobile  hulks

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 2         or garbage should be buried at sea nor do  I



 0         believe Lake Michigan the proper burial ground
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 4         for the flue dusts dredged from the  Chicago



 .         Harbor by the Corps.  Such waste products
 5


 .         must be recycled to use, and  if our  technology
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          is now short, then by some combination of  incen-



          tives it must be caused to grow until it is
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 9         adequate to the purpose.



 0                   Incidentally, output of flue dusts



n         is increasing.  This is because the  lower  cost



12         more productive basic-oxygen  steel process



13         to which industry is converting produces roughly



14         three times as much flue dust per ton of ingot



15         steel as did the old open hearth furnace.



16                   In closing, I would like to point



17         out that technology can be developed to conserve



18         this resource, but that research in  both



19         industry and government laboratories must  be



20         stimulated to the task.  The  research facilities



2i         of the Bureau of Mines, which are intensively



22         geared to primary   mineral raw material studies



23  j       and analysis, stand ready for an expanded  role



24         in finding economic means for utilizing and



25         recycling.  These valuable resources are now being

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 2         wasted  and,  in fact,  damaging nan's environment.



 3                            -  - -



 4                   MR.  STODDARD:   I  have the Geological



 5         Survey  statement also here.




 6



 7           STATEMENT  OP THE U. S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY



 8           PROGRAM IN THE LAKE MICHIGAN BASIN,  19^8



 9



10                   Facts on the water resources and the



11         changing  water situations throughout Lake Michigan



12         Basin are a  foundation for  the planning of water



13         use  and development and  for the solution of water



14         pollution problems.   Information on the occurrence,



15         quantity,  and  quality of water in streams and in



16         underground  reservoirs has  been collected, analyzed



17         and  published  for many years by the U. S. Geologi-



18         cal  Survey in  close cooperation with State agencies



10                   The  collection of water resources data in



20         the  Lake  Michigan Basin  has been in progress for



21         well over 50 years.   Thus,  the Department of the



22         Interior,  through the Geological Survey,  has had a



23         long history of close cooperation with State



24         agencies  in  appraising the  water resources of the



25         States  bounding Lake  Michigan.   The State agencies

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 2        and the USGS work in very close cooperation In
 3        order that the work of one may supplement that of
 4        the other without conflict and duplication.  Close
 5        cooperation is also maintained with other Federal
 6        agencies, such as the Corps of Engineers, the Soil
 7        Conservation Service, and the Bureau of Sport
 8        Fisheries and Wildlife.
 9                  The tr.S, Geological Survey   cooperative
10        water program is unique among water agencies.  It
11        does not regulate water; nor does it market or pro-
12        duce hydroelectric power.  It has no water develop-
13        ment projects to promote, no dams to build, no
I*        irrigation projects to operate.  Its purpose,
15        rather, is to evaluate the quantity, quality and
M        distribution of water resources and to make such
17        information available to the public and to agencies
18        with the above functions.  It is unique also in the
19        extent to which it shares with State and local
20        water agencies the responsibility for planning and
21        financing investigational programs directed toward
22        acquiring knowledge about water.
23                  Investigations now in progress in States
24        lying within the Lake Michigan Basin include the
25        systematic observation and measurement of the

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 2        changing water situations in the streams and
 3        ground-water reservoirs.  Streamflow, sediment,
 4        and quality data are collected for major and many
 5        minor tributaries, and ground-water  levels and
 6        water quality data are collected for underground
 7        reservoirs.  Studies are also underway to deter-
 8        mine the availability, quantity, use, and quality
 9        of surface and ground water in river basins,
10        counties, and problem areas.  One purpose of these
n        investigations is to provide an understanding of
12        the water situation as related to specific prob-
13        lems.  Also, information on the effects of land
14        and water use on the hydrologic environment may be
15        used by water managers to assist in  solving current
16        and future water pollution problems.
17                  Cooperative studies of the water resourced
18        in the Lake Michigan Basin have resulted in numerous
19        published reports describing the water situation in
20        many areas of present and potential water develop-
21        ment.  Information on the results of these reports
22        and on specific basic data may be obtained through
23        the contacts listed on the attached page.  Addi-
24        tional detailed information, such as mineral r
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divisions of the USGS.
          The U.S. Geological Survey and cooperating

agencies have an interest in furnishing accurate

hydrologic data to water management agencies re-

sponsible for the definition and abatement of pol-

lution.
                              January 19, 1968
     Sources of Information on the
     Geological Survey Program in
     the Lake Michigan Basin, 1968

          Information on publications and basic

data on water within tributary basins, including

ground water, surface water, and chemical quality

of water, may be obtained through the following

contacts:

     Michigan  -  Arlington D. Ash, District Chief
                  Water Resources Division, USGS
                  Room 700, Capitol Savings and
                  Loan Building, Lansing, Michigan
                  1*8933
     Wisconsin -  C.L.R. Holt, Jr., District Chief
                  Water Resources Division, USGS
                  1815 University Avenue
                  Madison, Wisconsin  53706
     Illinois  -
     Indiana
William D. Mitchell, District Chlfcf
Water Resources Division, USGS
605 South Neil Street
Champaign, Illinois  61820

Malcolm D. Hale, District Chief
Water Resources Division, USGS
Room 516, 6ll North Park Avenue
Indianapolis, Indiana  46204

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 2                 Information  on mineral  resources and

 3       topographic mapping may be obtained through the

 4       following contacts:

 5                 Carl E.  Button,  Research Geologist
                   Geologic Division
 6                 U. S.  Geological Survey
                   222 Science  Hall
 7                 Madison,  Wisconsin  53706

 g                 Daniel Kennedy,  Central Region Engineer
                   Topographic  Division
 9                 tJ. S.  Geological Survey
                   Box 133
10                 Rolla, Missouri   65401

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 2                   That is the conclusion  of  the  formal

 3         statement.
 4                   Now, Mr. Boston asked about  alewives.

 6         John Mitchell is my co-task force chairman—is
 6         that the  title that we have,  Mr.  Clevenger' —
 7         on the Great Lakes Basin Commission?  The  work
 8         that is now underway by a Joint group  of Federal
 9         and State agency people, we haven't  received
10         any draft report of suggestions of how to  deal
u         with this.  The proposal is that  at  the  February
12         15 meeting of the Great Lakes Basin  Commission
13         there will be a report by the alewife  working
14         planning  task force for consideration  by the
15         Commission.  And the Commission then  will act
16         upon the  recommendations of this  working task
17         force, presumably to call a conference sometime
18         shortly, thereafter,  for  the  purpose of pulling
19         together  the various State  and Federal and local

20         agencies  and private groups into  a coordinated
21         team for  handling what probably will be a crash
22         program if we have  a die-off  this summer similar
23         to  last summer.  This  is  essentially a fire
24         department  type of  activity getting ready for

25         the event of an emergency.  All of us  hope we

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 l                      CHARLES H. STODDARD
 2         don't have it,  but if it happens again we will
 3         be more prepared than we were last summer.
 4                   I think that is about all I can tell
 6         you about it right now, Mr. Poston.
 6                   MR. STEIN:   Are there any comments
 7         or questions?
 g                   MR. HOLMER:  I have first a procedural
 9         question.  Will the Federal witnesses be pre-
10         sented throughout the conference so that we
11         might pose our  questions perhaps in a more
12         orderly way?   My question has to do with taconite,
13         for example,  at this  point.  I don't want to
14         miss  the chance while we have the Bureau of
15         Mines statement before us.
16                   MR. STEIN:   The point is, some of the
17         people we have  here are very busy.   I don't know
18         what  their schedule is.  They certainly haven't
19         been  committed  to stay here a long time.
20         However,  we will have the experts here who
21         will  be  able  to answer the  questions.   This
22         is  a  question of procedure.
23                   If  you have something on  taconite,
24         you might ask that  as early as possible, because
25         I am  not  sure we have the Bureau of Mines  person

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          here, tout ire can get them here before this
 z


          conference Is over or get you the answer..
 3

                    MR. HOLMER:  The question, Mr. Stoddard,


          has  to do not so much with the pollution of the
 0

          water as alternatives in a prevention way to
 6

          deal with this problem that is concerning us,
 7

          particularly on Lake Superior at the moment.
 o

                    MR. STODDARD:  Let's take the Lake
 9

          Superior one and then the larger issue of


          handling the waste.


,.                   MR. HOLMER:  Would you describe it
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          for  the audience?
is


,.                   MR. STODDARD:  The taconite industry
14


lg         is a relatively new one in northern Minnesota.


16         A low grade iron ore, including 30 percent irons


17         is ground very finely and by a magnetic process


lg         the  iron is retrieved out of this powder and


19         formed into pellets, which are then shipped


20         out  in other carriers the same way that natural



21         ore  is shipped.  The waste product is 70 percent


22         silica and other finely ground material, almost


23         like a talcum powder, and in practically all


24         of the taconite developments that have taken


25         place in Minnesota they have recycled the water.

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 l ICHARLES H. STODDARD
 2          They have taken an old swamp or a lake and
 „          used the water constantly In washing off,
 3
 4          washing out,  this  waste material.
 _                    However, one plant, located at Silver
 o
 .          Bay,  is turning loose the waste directly into
 6
           Lake Superior, about 60,000 tons a day.   There
           have been various  claims over the years  con-
 o
           cerned about  the fishing falling off there
 9                                                   i
10          in the area,  about possibly some toxic materials
n          being turned  loose,about the deposition of sedi-
12          ment.   If you look at the topographic chart
13          in reverse of the  Great Lakes there in the
14          hall,  you will notice there is a big trough
15          in the middle of Lake Superior.  The theory
16          is that this  taconite waste is all going down
17          into this trough,  which is infertile and does
18          not provide any habitat for fishlife. However,
19          as I  say, there have been charges that a good
20          deal  of this  material does stay in suspension
21          and i» carried by  the current in a northeast-
22          southwest direction  around the lake back around
23          on the Wisconsin side.
24                    Until the  data are obtained and
25 '         really careful water quality studies are made,

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 1                      CHARLES H. STODDARD
 2         both in terms of whatever tox4.cl.ty may develop
 3         from materials that are turned loose that may  go
 4         into solution—previously it was thought that
 5         these materials were insoluble and therefore
 6         caused no trouble.  However, there is some
 7         evidence that they may be going into solution.
 8         Studies of whether the silt that does not go
 9         down in the trough does cover up spawning beds  of
10         fish and many other related questions are in-
11         volved in this study to find out Just exactly
12         what is happening.  And bhls study will probably
13         be carried on by at least four Interior bureaus
U         plus the State of Minnesota Conservation Depart-
15         ment.
16                   Now--
17                   MR. HOLMER:  What about prevention?
18                   MR. STODDARD:  Prevention?
19                   MR. HOLMER:  Yes.
20                   MR. STODDARD:  Well, prevention is
21         really the location  of these plants away froa
22         the Great Lakes in such a way that it is
23         possible to use a swamp or a large basin which
24         would provide a source of water and also a
25         place to dispose of the tailings so that you

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                        CHARLES H. STODDARD
 2         don't have to turn this water loose which
 3         presumably would contain any toxicant materials
           that would go in solution,  if this is the case,
           into the streams of the area, into the ground
           water or into the subsoil.   Now, some of it may
           get in the subsoil Just through infiltration,
           but I think there is not much problem developed
           in northern Minnesota away  from the lake with
           respect to the recycling of water and disposal
n         of the waste.  I haven't heard of any.
                     MR. HOLMER:  Thank you.
13                   MR. STEIN:  Thank you.
14                   Thank you very much, Mr. Stoddard.
15                   I think we have come pretty close
           to 5 o'clock.  Now,  I would say the people who
17         are going to participate and the attendees
lg         can help us with the conference if they would
           do two things.   One, it would be very helpful
20         if you had copies of your statement to dis-
21         tribute to the  conferees.  The staff in the
22         back will help  you get these duplicated if you
23         don' t have enough.
24                   Secondly,  when you leave the room,
  #
25         remember when you get through those flimsy doors

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          in  the  back we can still hear  you.   Just keep
 .         your  conversation down if you  could until you
 a


 .         go outside the anteroom, and  that  will help



 _         facilitate the orderly conduct of the conference
 5


          and we  won't be interfering  with  the others who
 Q


          are in  here.



                     With that, we will stand recessed
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