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SW-173C
April 1979
           Solid Waste
Hazardous Waste
Management Seminar
Proceedings of the
Pennsylvania Environmental
Council

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            Prepublication ieeue for EPA libraries
           and State Solid Waste Management Agencies
              HAZARDOUS WASTE MANAGEMENT SEMINAR

  Proceedings of the Pennsylvania Environmental Council, Inc.

          Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, January 25, 1978
         These proceedings (SW-173c) are of a seminar
funded in 'part by a grant from the EPA18 Office of Solid Waste.
      The speeches are reproduced entirely as presented.
               Copies will be available from the
            National Technical Information Service
                  U.S. Department of Commerce
                     Springfield, VA  22161
             U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY

                             1979

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     Publication does not signify that the contents necessarily reflect
the views and policies of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, nor
does mention of commercial products constitute endorsement by the
U.S. Government.

     An environmental protection publication (SVM73c) 1n the solid
waste management series.

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                         Contents


          Speakers

Curtin Winsor                                     page 1
Irving Hand                                       page 1-2
William Middendorf                                page 2-5
William Philipbar                                 page 6-7
A.Blakeman Early                                  page 8-15
Daniel Derkics                                    page 20-25
Jack Schramm                                      page 26-27
Lynn B. Johnson                                   page 28
William Bucciarelli                               page 28
Thomas Scott                                      page 29
Robert Allen                                      page 29
Edward Schuster                                   page 30
          Summary of Morning and Afternoon Questions and Answers

Tom Dale                                          page 15
Representative Ronald P. Goebel                   page 15,16
William Middendorf                                page 16.18,19
William Goebel                                    page 16
A. Blakeman Early                                 page 17
Irving Hand                                       page 17
Oliver Smith                                      page 17
representative Samuel W. Morris                   page 17
Joseph Berne                                      page 18,19,31
William Bucciarelli                               page 18,30,31
Dan.1 el Snyder                                     page 18
John Schmidt                                      page 19
Edward Schuster                                   page 19
William Philipbar                                 page 19
Jack Schramm                                      page 30
Robert Allen                                      page 30,31
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         PROCEEDINGS OF THE HAZARDOUS WASTE MANAGEMENT SEMINAR






             The Pennsylvania Environmental Council, Inc.






                            MORNING SESSION






                               Speeches






     Curtin Winsor, Esq., President. Pennsylvania Environmental Council, Inc.




This is the third time in the past two years that the Pennsylvania




Environmental Council, Inc. (PEC) has sponsored a discussion of hazardous




waste management problems.  The first two conferences on hazardous waste,




held in 1976, dealt with the nature, extent, and possible solutions to




hazardous waste management problems.  This seminar focuses on the impact




of the new Federal Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA), P.L.




94-580 on hazardous waste management in Pennsylvania.




     Irving Hand, PEC Director and Chairman of the Seminar.  Our discussion




here today should focus on what those in power will do to deal with problems




of hazardous waste management.  We have with us this morning three




panelists, who will each speak briefly about RCRA.  When the speakers have




finished their remarks, they will answer questions from the floor.

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     The speakers are:  William Middendorf, Deputy Secretary, Bureau of




Environmental Protection, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental




Resources  (DER); William Philipbar, President, Rollins Environmental




Services;  and A. Blakeman Early, Legislative Director, Environmental




Action, Inc.




     Remarks of William Middendorf.  My talk will focus on three areas.




First, what is the nature of the hazardous waste problem in Pennsylvania?




That is, what is the volume of hazardous wastes generated here?  Second,




what has been done so far in Pennsylvania to deal with the problem?




Third, what can Pennsylvania do in the future with the hazardous waste




problem?




     Pennsylvania is a highly industrialized state with approximately




20,000 manufacturing plants generating every type of waste.  The U.S.




Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimated recently that three million




tons of hazardous wastes are generated annually in this state, and this




places Pennsylvania in the top three generators of hazardous wastes in




the country.  Only Texas and California generate more.




     Hazardous wastes are generated by industrial processes, including:




textile dying, agricultural chemicals manufacturing, petroleum refining,




steel manufacturing, paint production, energy production, and glass and




leather manufacturing.  The worst hazardous waste problems result from




three of these manufacturing processess:  agricultural chemical production*




petroleum refining, and steel manufacturing.

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     To date, the hazardous wastes generated in Pennsylvania have been

handled through long-term storage, landfill (some illegal landfills have

been used), contract haulers, out-of-state disposal,  and ocean disposal.

Each of these methods of disposal 'has caused some environmental problems

at one time, either fish kills, water pollution, or acute health problems.

These methods have also resulted in longer-term environmental problems

including ground water pollution, leaching of chemicals into residential

wells, restriction of fisheries, pesticide disposal problems, PCB

problems, metals in sewage sludge, and accumulated health problems from

lead and cadmium.

     The public has been outraged by these problems.   People wonder how

government could have allowed the problem to reach such crisis proportions.

Citizens want the problem to be solved, but generally do not want hazardous
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waste disposal sites to be located in their neighborhoods.  There have

been especially vehement objections to proposals for dumping Philadelphia

sludge in other areas of the state.  The public feels that agricultural

use of sewage sludge is not safe, which makes that disposal option

difficult.  Objections to the use of sludge to reclaim stripped mines have

also been voiced.  Sludge is a major form of waste, perhaps the single

biggest waste disposal problem.

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     Pennsylvania has made efforts to solve the problems of waste disposal




since 1966.  In 1967, a staff of twenty-five was assigned to this area.




The Pennsylvania Solid Waste Management Act (Act of July 31, 1968, Act No.




241, Pa. Laws 788) provided for planning at the local level.  A solid waste




survey, done in 1968, indicated that 100 million tons of solid wastes were




generated in Pennsylvania each year, and that 11 million tons of this waste




were generated from industrial and agricultural activities.  One million




tons of this was classified as hazardous wastes.  This figure is several




years old, and I believe EPA's figures reflect the present situation more




accurately.




     From 1967 to 1971, the emphasis was on solid waste management planning.




In 1970 through 1975, emphasis was placed on municipal and community solid




waste facilities.  In 1976, Pennsylvania received a grant from EPA that




enabled the state to explore the need for a hazardous waste management




program.  Other areas that have received attention are personnel training,




alleviating serious problems caused by inadequate handling of hazardous




wastes, planning for location of disposal sites, penalty assignments, and




monitoring and coordination with other agencies, such as the Pennsylvania




Department of Transportation.




     DER believes that a larger staff and a bigger budget are needed to




ensure that the hazardous waste program is effective.  The state also needs




adequate rules and regulations, an inventory of hazardous waste sources and




practices, adequate emergency procedures, further training of industry




personnel, emergency disposal sites, public acceptance of disposal methods,




and source reduction and resource recovery.

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     I feel that DER needs at least 60 new staff positions,  and an




additional $1.5 to $2.0 million a year to administer the hazardous waste




management program.  The Pennsylvania Solid Waste Management Act needs to




be amended to increase criminal and civil penalties for violations.  A




manifest system, that tracks hazardous wastes from manufacture through




final disposal, is needed.  Legislation authorizing this system is essential.




     There are some advantages to state, rather than Federal involvement




in this area.  First, it was the intent of Congress that the states be




involved.  Second, DER is already required to regulate solid waste through




the Pennsylvania Solid Waste Management Act.  Most solid waste sites also




take in hazardous wastes.  Coordination between the hazardous waste and




solid waste programs will be possible if DER handles them both.  In




addition, DER has a knowledgeable staff, and there is already a good




enforcement program in place in Pennsylvania.  An informal survey of




Pennsylvania industries shows that industry would vastly prefer a




state-administered program of hazardous waste management to one managed




by the Federal Government.  Industry  does  not want  to  deal with two




different levels  of  government  in  this  issue.



     DER, along with other states that are members of the National Governor's




Association, has been monitoring EPA's proposed hazardous waste regulations.




DER has moved toward interim primacy in the hazardous waste program.  The



final decision on accepting full primacy, however, will depend upon the




content of the proposed EPA regulations, the adequacy and continuity of




Federal financial assistance, and legislative and public support.

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     Remarks of William Philipbar.  The Federal Resource Conservation and

Recovery Act of 1976 (RCRA) requires closer cooperation between the public

and private sectors than any other environmental legislation to date.

     The hazardous waste management industry has a long way to go before

it will be able to dispose of wastes in an environmentally safe way.  There

are presently too few disposal sites trying to deal with too much waste.

There are only 20 sites outside of California that can adequately treat

hazardous wastes.  These are mainly chemical landfills with no pre- or

post-treatment capabilities, or recovery abilities.  There are fewer than

10 adequate analytical laboratories associated with hazardous waste

treatment facilities.

     Why is the industry in this shape?  Clearly, because prior to the

passage of RCRA, there was no demand, because there were no regulations

forcing industries to dispose of their wastes properly.  The economics of

waste disposal are unfavorable.  This Act will force proper disposal of

hazardous wastes.  The result will be a major increase in the cost of

disposing wastes, as proper methods of disposal are naturally more costly

than improper disposal has been.
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     Another problem is that waste disposal is a tough business.  There

are few trained people.  The industry has a bad image as a result of a

few "night riders" who dump -waste material into sewers.  It is a

capital-intense and a high-risk business.

     RCRA will affect the hazardous waste management industry.  I believe

that the industry will come to be dominated by medium to large size firms.

The Act will force favorable economics by fostering more personnel training

and better technology.  This will result in fewer adverse environmental effects.

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     RCRA will also have an effect on the industries that generate the



wastes.  These industries will try to reduce the amount of wastes they



produce, and will move toward more off-site disposal and treatment of



wastes in order to reduce their potential liability.



     EPA is working on regulations to implement this Act.  These



regulations will be out in final form in the spring of 1979.  They will



set out requirements for disposal sites, and identify materials that cannot



be land-filled.  The regulations will describe the manifest system, which



is intended to track wastes from production through disposal.  This system



worked well in other states.



     The regulations will also establish responsibility for financing



post-closure care of disposal sites.  Under the proposed regulations, an



estimate of the cost of such care will be made and  the owner and operator



of the landfill will be required to accumulate a pool of money that will




be used to administer the landfill after closure.  An indemnity fund would



also be established in case the landfill causes environmental problems.



The fund for post-closure care must be large enough so that the interest



on the fund will cover the costs of administering the site after closure.



Insurance for post-closure will be necessary.  Land used for disposal



could be transferred to the state and Federal Government to administer



10 or 15 years after closure, with the costs of administration being met



by the fund described above.  Wisconsin has adopted this approach.

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     Remarks by A. Blakeman Early.  This conference is addressing the




 second and very crucial stage of the implementation of the hazardous waste




 management provisions of RCRA—the state assumption of regulatory authority.




 This legislation interjects the Federal regulatory hand into one of the




 last bastions of the environment which has heretofore been regulated, if




 at all, through state and local statute and ordinance land disposal.  There




 is little doubt that the Federal regulatory hand is thrust into the arena




 of land disposing hazardous wastes with a capital R.




     While the provision of guidance and technical assistance is certainly




 going to play a major role in ensuring proper implementation of the




 hazardous waste provisions, this statute is derived from the new breed of




 environmental legislation that demands that a big stick not only be carried,




 but used when necessary.  Citizen involvement is crucial to ensuring that




 hazardous waste requirements are enforced when necessary.




     I urge citizens to become involved in the implementation of these




 hazardous waste management requirements at the earliest stages of state




 assumption of responsibility.  I also urge citizens to get involved with




 the implementation at the Federal level, too.  This involvement must focus




 on various aspects of the process as well as substantative environmental




 issues.  Here are some of areas where I feel that involvement is most




 important.




     A major area which is crucial to the implementation process and which




all too often is an afterthought to most citizens involved in the




environmental movement, is the question of the budget for implementation




programs.   Based on my experience with EPA in Washington, the effects of an




inadequate budget on the effectiveness of a regulatory program can be



devastating.

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     The budget has an impact on all phases of implementation,  substantive,




procedural, and administrative.  This issue cannot be underestimated




because states have been notoriously stingy in funding adequate solid




waste programs in the past and the prospect of Federal support  for this




legislation can be described in no other terms but bleak.  Indeed, the lack




of budget for the Federal solid waste program will have a profound impact




on the state programs as well.




     First, let's review the present status of EPA's solid waste budget.




Although the hazardous waste program is faring better than others, the




Office of Solid Waste received an increase of only five persons of the




153 additional persons requested for Fiscal Year 1978.  It received an




increase of $8.7 million of a total of $143 million requested.   Rather




obviously, EPA must take steps to deal with the dramatic disparity between




what is required under the Act, and the resources it has been given to meet




these requirements.




     There are two basic responses EPA can take in order to ameliorate this




disparity:  it can seek to define the hazardous waste problem, and thus its




responsibilities, as narrowly as possible, °r  it can seek to minimize




Federal involvement by encouraging state and local assumption of




responsibilities.




     I prepare to reserve judgment as to whether EPA has succumbed to  the




temptation to narrowly interpret its mandate.  Quite clearly, the Agency




is promoting the state assumption of program responsibilities.  This effort




is a basic part of the strategy document recently circulated by EPA for




comment.

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     I raise the budget issue in relation to state delegation, not because




I feel that state assumption of the regulatory functions in hazardous waste




management is undesirable.  Certainly, the policy of RCRA encourages this




approach and those closest to the hazardous waste management problems




should be best suited to solve them.  However, I do fear that due to the




Federal budget problem, EPA may become too enthusiastic to rid itself of




its responsibilities.  Thus, the question of whether a state has a program




"equivalent" to the Federal one for purposes of delegation may become one




of whether it can do a better job than the meager resources that EPA can




provide would do, rather than whether the state program is equivalent to




the one described in the statute and truly adequate to protect public




health and the environment.




     Ensuring the adequacy of state programs is made additionally more




difficult because of the significant changes made in RCRA from the




"standard" language for delegating authority such as is found in the Clean




Air Act and the Federal Water Pollution Control Act.  First, the




Administrator of the U.S.  EPA must grant interim authorization to a state




that applies and demonstrates its program to be "substantially equivalent"




to the Federal program.  No public hearing is required prior to submission




or approval.

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     Second, permanent authorization of a state program becomes essentially




automatic after state application unless EPA takes two steps.   Within 90




days of the state application EPA must find that the state is  not expected




to receive EPA approval and within 180 days after that, EPA must find that




the state program is either not equivalent to the Federal program, or with




programs in other states or that the state program does not provide adequate




enforcement.  If EPA fails to make either of these findings, the second of




which it cannot be compelled to make, the state automatically  receives




authorization.  EPA has a major incentive not to make these findings




because of its own inadequate manpower and inadequate funds.  Therefore,




it will be up to the interested citizens of Pennsylvania to ensure that the




hazardous waste program submitted and approved is truly equivalent to the




one described in RCRA and EPA's implementing regulations.  Citizen




involvement must begin at the earliest stages of state involvement and




those citizens here today are to be commended for their foresight.  That




involvement can start by ensuring that notice and opportunity for a public




hearing is required prior to state application for interim authorization.




     Citizen involvement also means involvement in the critical budget area



that I have so far discussed only in the context of the Federal program.




However, if state officials do not have adequate budgets, they will not have




adequate resources to plan an effective program at the outset, and corners




will surely be cut when it comes to implementation.  As I mentioned a




moment ago, state solid waste budgets take on added significance when one




considers that the Federal solid waste budget contains precious little




money for grants in support of state programs.

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     A moment ago I mentioned the need for funds to ensure proper planning.




Planning is a key area in the regulatory process for citizen involvement.




First, it is easy to be most effective during the formulative period of a




program, rather than trying to achieve change once it is in full swing.




     Second, citizen involvement in planning of hazardous waste facilities




can help alleviate one of the problems of greatest concern to both Federal




and state solid waste officials and which is the first substantive issue




I wanted to highlight.  That is the issue of land disposal facilities




siting.  All too often, the most ardent citizen involvement in the solid




waste field has been a negative one—that of fighting the proposed location




of a new solid or hazardous waste land disposal facility.  Citizens have




an important role to play in helping to ascertain what future disposal




needs will be and helping to select where disposal facilities will be




located.  The proposed EPA requirements for hazardous waste facilities are




the most comprehensive ever developed covering every aspect of facility




construction, operation and maintenance.  Yet, siting a facility remains




the most important single factor in ensuring that a facility will not pose




a threat to public health or the environment.




     The location of a disposal facility in impermeable soils, in a well




drained area that is far above underground water aquifers can do more to




ensure the safety of a site than nearly any other condition.  When a site




is found with this rare combination of characteristics, citizens who fight




such a siting on the basis of the "anywhere but near me" approach do their




community a great injustice.  If a land disposal facility is ultimately




located at the site where no one opposes it, all too often this is the




least environmentally desirable site, as well.

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     Such ill-considered decisions have a way of returning to haunt us in


the form of polluted ground and surface waters and other environmental and


health threats.  Solid waste officials have frequently been burned on


adverse public reaction to disposal facility siting decisions.  I know at


EPA in Washington, concern about this adverse public reaction is reaching


the paranoid stage, resulting in the downplay of information concerning


the problems that poor facility siting, construction, and operation can


bring.  Citizen pressure in support of sound siting decisions during the


planning stage can go a long way toward ensuring that the decision is


not reversed.


     Another key substantive environmental issue that is intimately related


to siting issues is groundwater protection.  Again, citizen participation


at the planning stage is crucial.  This involvement must extend beyond


Solid Waste Disposal Act planning.  EPA is attempting to integrate the


approach taken in the Safe Drinking Water Act in its regulations for


hazardous waste facilities.  Basically, the Safe Drinking Water Act requires


each state to classify groundwater aquifers according to present or future


use.  Those aquifers that are classified as being suitable for drinking


water supply or as a potential drinking water supply will receive greater


protection than those that are classified suitable for  industrial use.  As
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currently formulated, EPA's hazardous waste facilities  regulations will plug


into this classification system.  Disposal facilities that are located over


or near an aquifer that is classified as suitable for drinking water use


will have to meet more stringent requirements designed  to reduce the


potential that leachate might pollute that aquifer than facilities that are


located over or near aquifers classified as suitable for industrial use.

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     Clearly, citizens have a great interest in the decision by state




officials to essentially write off certain underground aquifers.  The




decision regarding aquifers that have already been spoiled is not difficult.




Nor is the decision regarding aquifers that are presently being used as




drinking water supply.  The difficult decisions will surround the




classifications of aquifers which are largely unused.  As in the case of




competing uses for a land disposal site, conflicts between competing uses




for ground water aquifers are most easily resolved at the planning stage.




Citizens are likely to have the greatest impact on state officials during




the planning stages.




     While as an environmentalist, my view is that all unused aquifers




should be protected as a potential drinking water source, I think we must




recognize that such an approach is not politically realistic.  Therefore,




this classification process must be an open one which ensures that citizens




appreciate the consequences of classifying a given aquifer for a given use.




As most of you know, a lot less is known about underground waters, the




manner and direction of movement, and the ability to purify them once they




have been polluted than is known about surface waters.  The decisions




classifying aquifers in the near future will have an impact for many years




to come.




     The last issue I would emphasize really resembles the budget and




planning issues in that it concerns an aspect of the regulatory process in




general, rather than a specific environmental concern in hazardous waste




management.   This is the citizen's suit provisions of RCRA.

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      As  in most  environmental  legislation passed since 1970, RCRA provides




 that  citizens may  sue  the Administrator to compel him to perform any




 non-discretionary  act  or duty.   Furthermore, a citizen is given standing




 to  sue anyone who  violates  any "permit,  standard, regulation, condition,




 requirement, or  order" under this Act.   Citizens suits, and the threat of




 citizens suits,  have been a crucial  factor in ensuring that environmental




 protection laws  have been properly administered and  observed.  I am




 certain  that the existence  of  the citizen's  suit provisions has been  a




 major motivating factor behind public  officials administering these laws




 responding to citizen  in-put.   In my view, state hazardous waste management




authority cannot  provide an  "equivalent" program as required under Section




 3006(b)  of RCRA  without a provision  authorizing citizen's suits which is




 parallel to Section 7002.




      Citizens rarely have the  resources to use such  a provision very




 frequently.  Without the potential,  a  citizen's ability  to ensure that




 RCRA  is  administered as it  should be is vastly reduced.






           Summation of the  Morning Question  and Answer Period






      Tom Dale  (Citizens Against Philadelphia Sludge).  I would like to point




 out that all sludges are not the same  as Mr.  Middendorf  implied in his




 speech.   Some sludges, such as those from Philadelphia,  contain more  lead,




 and thus,  pose more of a'health problem.




      Representative Ronald  P.  Goebel (R-Allegheny).  How  is mine waste




 being dealt with under this Act? Does this  come under the heading of




 hazardous wastes,  or is it  a separate  problem?

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     William Middendorf (Pennsylvania PER. Deputy for Environmental




Protection).  Mine wastes are being regulated by Pennsylvania now,  and




also by the Federal law on strip mining.  These wastes are also covered




by the Pennsylvania Solid Waste Management Act.




     Representative Goebel.  What will happen if DER does not get funding




to administer the Act?  Will the Department set priorities?




     William Middendorf.  Very little has been done in Pennsylvania to




deal with the hazardous waste problem.  Our present funding does not even




enable us to keep up with the domestic waste problems.  DER cannot  drop




other waste problems to deal just with hazardous wastes.




     Representative Goebel.  (Addressing Mr. Philipbar)  Could you please




clarify your statement about landfills being taken over by the Federal or




state government?




     William Philipbar (President, Rollins Environmental Services,  Inc.).




The regulations now being drafted by the U.S. EPA suggest that after a




site has been closed (10 years or so after the closure) it could be taken




over by the state.  A pool of funds would be created by the owner or the




operator, which would be used to care for that facility from then on.




     Representative Goebel.  I feel that the citizens views that they do




not want a hazardous waste disposal site located in their area should




receive high consideration.

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     A. Blakeman Early (Legislative Director,  Environmental Action).   The




problem is not that easy to solve.  The state  must try to plan ahead  to




get citizens involved and to select sites prior to the time that people




make substantial real estate investments in an area.  The major problem




at this time is that disposal sites are not being administered in an




environmentally safe manner.  Sites are being located where people have




already settled.  Finding safe sites is so difficult that citizens should




be more willing to accept them when they are found.




     Irving Hand (PEC Director and Chairman of the Seminar).  Site




selection is difficult, as is most land use regulation in Pennsylvania.




Pennsylvania has 5,000 units of local government.  Traditionally, land use




responsibility has been given to local governments.  A role for county




government in land use is only slowly and grudgingly being given.  There




are still many problems of cooperation and coordination.  Choices




concerning location of disposal sites should be made on a regional basis.




     Oliver Smith  (Western Electric Company and a PEC Director).  In my




area of Pennsylvania, the county did     plan landfill sites  in undeveloped




areas.  The public reaction was very negative.  Nothing has been done  as




yet, because there is a question about who has jurisdiction in  this area.




     Representative Samuel W. Morris  (D-Chester County).  May I ask what




the prior speaker meant by "undeveloped land?"  Was it agricultural land?




     Oliver Smith.  Yes, farmland.




     Representative Morris.  Farmland jU developed.

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     Joseph Berne  (University of Pittsburgh).  As a former member of the




DER staff, I know  that DER has attempted to solve hazardous waste management




problems in the past.  Will the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA)




actually assist the state in this effort?  Isn't there a problem of




technological capability that the Act does not deal with?




     William Middendorf.  DER feels that the Act will help.  It reflects




a mandate of Congress—good hazardous waste management is not discretionary




anymore.  The technical capability of the state does need to be increased




in order to deal with this problem.




     William Bucciarelli (Chief, Division of Solid Waste Management,




Bureau of Land Protection, Pennsylvania DER.)  RCRA provides a basis for




action; it attacks the management side of the problem.




     Joseph Berne.  This group should be aware that DER has, since 1968,




been addressing the problem on a case-by-case basis  but  has not  found any




solutions.




     Daniel Snyder, Esq. (Dechart, Price & Rhoads and a PEC Director).




Permits from DER and possibly from EPA and some transportation agencies




will be required.  This will create a difficult regulatory maze.  Will




the private sector be willing to go through this process in order to




provide services?




     A. Blakeman Early.  You are talking about the difficulty of obtaining




a single site permit.  The trend in the industry probably will not be




toward the single site.  The trend will be toward on-site disposal.  The




generator, as an employer, has political clout and if he can not get




permits, he will move elsewhere.

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     John Schmidt (Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Resources).




We are studying disposal sites in Pennsylvania for radiological material.




Social barriers are also high in this area.  What is the life-time of




hazardous wastes?  Are the wastes degradeable?  Will disposal sites be




limited to receiving wastes generated in Pennsylvania or will other




states be able to use them as well?




     William Middendorf.  This last question is a legal question that may




be resolved by the Supreme Court in a few weeks.  (The case to which he




is referring is a City of Philadelphia challenge to a New Jersey statute




prohibiting importation to New Jersey of hazardous wastes from other




states.  The Supreme Court declared this statute unconstitutional in




July, 1978.  Ed. Note).




     Edward Schuster (Vice President, Newco Chemical Waste System, Inc.).




Will there be any facilities in Pennsylvania or will the barriers be too




high?  Is it possible that no sites will be approved at all?  Is there any



joint effort under way to handle small amounts of similar wastes produced




at different sites?




     William Philipbar.  There was such an effort in Houston, but  I don't




know of one here.




     Joseph Berne.  There has been such an effort, near Ellswood.  High




cost metals would be recovered, so the economics were favorable.

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     Remarks of Daniel Derkics for John P. Lehman, Director, Hazardous




Waste Management Division, Office of Solid Waste, U.S. Environmental




Protection Agency.  My job involves working with the states to obtain




authorization for their hazardous waste programs.  I intend to discuss




here what the Federal Government expects from the states in this program,




and why.




     Hazardous wastes are a problem of great magnitude.  The consequences




of illegal disposal are serious.  There have been documented cases of




groundwater contamination by leachates, surface water contamination by




runoff, direct contact poisoning, air pollution, damage from fires and




explosions, all resulting from unacceptable disposal of hazardous wastes.




Most of these incidents resulted from the open dumping of hazardous wastes




on isolated tracts of land, or indiscriminate acceptance of wastes by




municipal landfills regardless of the hazards involved.




     In New Jersey, for example, illegal disposal of the contents of an




8,000 gallon tanker down a Newark sewer was brought to light when police




caught the driver of the tanker in the act.  The case was clinched when




the arresting officer's shoes began to rot.




     Similar incidents have happened in Pennsylvania and have been reported




to the press.  For example, Pennsylvania has spent $400,000 in 1971 to




neutralize and dispose of the wastes of a chemical company.  In this




incident, several lagoons in which the chemicals were stored began to




leak, and destroyed plant grounds in Bucks County.  Pennsylvania spent




$140,000 cleaning up'chemical wastes from a tannery site in Tioga County.




In 1973, 20,000 gallons of chemical wastes spilled and drained into




Cowanesque River, killing all life in the river.

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     In another incident,  an inspector from DER was splashed and  burned  by




lye from an illegally disposed drum at a landfill in York County.  In




this case, the landfill had accepted a material that it was not authorized




to handle.




     EPA has information about more than 400 such incidents which some of




the state agencies have gathered.  Clearly, these same problems exist in




those states which do not have environmental programs, and where  the




damages are not documented.  Therefore, cases reported understate the




magnitude of the problem.  Of the 400 cases EPA has studied, 64 happened




in Pennsylvania.  In 54 of these 64 incidents, a specific industry could




be identified as the cause: the chemical industry in 10 cases; the




industrial waste processing industry in six cases; the mining industry




in four incidents; the food processing industry in three cases;  the




petroleum industry in three cases; one case each in the agricultural,




plating, tannery and public utilities industries.




     The magnitude of the problem is enormous.  The results of 14 EPA




industry studies show that 34 million metric tons of potentially hazardous




wastes were generated in 1977.  By 1983, this  figure will increase to 38




million metric  tons.  Eighty percent of this is treated on-aite; 20 percent




is hauled off-site for disposal contractors.

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      Lagooning in unlined surface impoundments represents a common method




 for disposing of hazardous industrial wastes.  Nearly 50 percent of




 industrial wastes are disposed of in this way.  Dumping in non-secure




 landfills accounts for disposal of another 30 percent.  Ten percent of the




 wastes are disposed of by uncontrolled incineration.  Thus, 90 percent of




 the hazardous wastes generated by 14 key industries are managed by practices




 inadequate for the protection of human health and the environment.  By




 the way, Pennsylvania is the third largest generator of hazardous wastes




 in the United States, according to the 14 industry study.




      The objectives of RCRA are simple: to protect health and the




 environment, to conserve material resources, and to conserve energy resources,




      The Act established the Office of Solid Waste within EPA to guide the




 implementation of the law.  It also established a Federal, state, and




 local government partnership to implement the Act.




      The Act emphasizes: land control through regulation and control of




 hazardous waste disposal operations; regulation and control of hazardous




 wastes from "cradle to grave;" improvement in all aspects of waste




 management; reduction of solid wastes through resource recovery and




 waste reduction efforts; manpower training and public education; and




 research and special studies on solid waste management techniques.




      Subtitle C of RCRA sets forth the "cradle to grave" approach to




 regulating hazardous wastes.  This approach makes use of a manifest system




 that  follows the hazardous waste from the point of its generation to its




 disposal.  This section also sets standards for generators, transporters,




and waste management facilities to ensure proper handling of the waste at




each stage.  The "cradle to grave" approach includes the use of a permit




system for treatment, storage,  and disposal facilties.

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     It is expected that the regulations will reduce illegal dumping,




eliminate unsatisfactory facilities for waste treatment and disposal,  and




encourage resource recovery as waste treatment costs rise.  It is also




expected that the regulations will encourage generators to handle more




wastes on-site.  The impact on prices, jobs, and the industries involved




should be minimal, except in marginal industries.




     It is the intent of Congress and of EPA to make the hazardous waste




management program under RCRA as much of a state-run operation as possible.




The Administrator of EPA can authorize the state to operate its own program




in lieu of the Federal program if certain conditions are met.  States can




receive one of three types of authorization: interim, full, or partial.




     Interim authorization gives the states a two-year period for their




existing state programs during which the states can modify existing programs




to qualify for full authorization.  Existing programs must be "substantially




equivalent."  To be "substantially equivalent," a state program must have




legislative authority to control either on-site or off-site disposal of




hazardous wastes, there must be a permit mechanism for




   disposal facilities, there must be an active surveillance and enforcement




program, and there must be an "authorization plan" which  is a type of




compliance plan or schedule for reaching full authorization.

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     To achieve full authorization, a program must be equivalent to and




consistent with other programs under Subtitle C.  To be equivalent, a state




program must: have legislative authority to control all forms of hazardous




waste management; have published regulations under this authority; have




a permit mechanism for storage, treatment, and disposal facilities; have




a manifest system to track wastes from origin to ultimate disposal; have




adequate resources to carry out the program; identify the agency




responsible for the program; and provide for public participation in




accordance with EPA guidelines under Section 7004 of the Act.




     Partial authorization involves a combined implementation effort of




EPA and the state that meets all the requirements of full authorization.




This type of authorization can only last five years (with some exceptions).




It will be issued if state legislative authority is lacking for certain




program components.




     Federal oversight of state programs consists of quarterly state




reports to EPA, EPA facilities inspections (limited to 10 percent of total




facilities), and an annual program review by EPA.




     An application for a state program should include a narrative




description of the proposed program, a memorandum of understanding,




describing oversight, and an authorization plan if it is an application for




an interim program.  The application should be signed by the designated




state official, and submitted to the appropriate EPA regional administrator.




A public hearing on the state application must be held.

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     Pennsylvania should consider taking over the hazardous waste management




program for a number of reasons.  The state is the third largest generator




of hazardous wastes in the United States and borders on another large




generator, Ohio.  As the third largest generator, the state should receive




a proportionately higher level of funds.  Second, state assumption of the




program is consistent with the intent of Congress.  Third, the state is




more familiar with its own problems, and the program will be better run in




Harrisburg.  Local industries and citizens would prefer to deal with




Harrisburg, and control from Harrisburg will inevitably make for better




public participation.




     It appears that Pennsylvania's Solid Waste legislation may be eligible




to receive interim authorization, which would allow two years to expand




to a fully authorized program.  Perfecting legislation would be needed




in Pennsylvania's case for full authorization.




                Summation of Question and Answer Period




     (Answers were provided by Mr. Derkics)




     Q: Who will pay for this waste management program?




     A: Matching funds are available to the states under RCRA.




     Q: Shouldn't those who generate the waste be made to help pay for the




costs of regulation?




     A: Under RCRA's permit system, the state could  charge for  the use




of disposal sites.  So the generator, by paying these charges, would in




effect be asked to pay.




     Q: Will the costs of this program be met by the fees?




     A: We are not sure of this at present.  It will be some time before we




can know the answer to this question from experience with the program.

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     A general discussion on the need for source  reduction as well as




adequate management practices ensued.  Mr. Early of Environmental Action,




Inc. urged that Congress be asked to take strong action to encourage




companies to reduce the amount of wastes they generate.  A member of the




audience questioned the availability of funds for research into good




hazardous waste disposal methods.  Federal and state research funds in




this area are being cut back, and most of the money is being directed




toward research in the area of treatment rather than source reduction as




the former is the most pressing problem.  Mr. Schramm, EPA's Region III




Administrator, indicated that EPA is interested in source reduction and has




a task force studying this issue at the present time.






                           AFTERNOON SESSION






                   .,        Speech and Panel






     Remarks by Jack Schramm, Administrator, Region III  Office of the




U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.  Will the Resource Conservation and




Recovery Act (RCRA) do the job?  This is the issue we are here to discuss




today.  We hope that by providing input to legislators and their staff we




will help them strengthen this legislation.

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     At 11:00 a.m. today, the Administrator of the U.S.  EPA announced at




a news conference that regulations will be adopted to implement the Safe




Drinking Water Act.  The regulations will specify certain cities that




have special problems with their drinking water supplies.  EPA will study




water supplies in these cities to determine the extent of contamination.




At present, it appears that in most cases contamination is minimal.  Water




supply quality problems represent the kind of environmental "time bombs"




that are now being discovered frequently.  Many water supply quality problems




are caused by concentrations of synthetic chemicals.




     EPA feels it is significant that PEC has chosen to address the topic




of hazardous waste management at this time.  EPA would like Pennsylvania to




assume authority for administering RCRA.  EPA is anxious to form a




partnership with the states to implement RCRA.




     Panel Participants:  Lynn B. Johnson, Manager, Environmental Control,




Rohm & Haas Company, Bristol; William Bucciarelli, Chief, Division of Solid




Waste Management, DER; Thomas Scott, Esq., Killian & Gephart, PEC's




Legislative Representative; Robert Allen, Chief, Hazardous Materials Branch,




U.S. EPA, Region III; and Edward Shuster, Newco Chemical Company, Niagra




Falls, New York.

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     Lynn Johnson, Manager, Environmental Control, Rohm & Haas, Co.




Rohm & Haas produces three kinds of wastes: degradable; non-degradables,




such as inert plexiglass, a substance which is not harmful; and hazardous




wastes that need to be stored for many years.  These include heavy metals




and arsenic.  Rohm & Haas investigates sites that it may use for disposal




to make sure that the wastes are properly disposed of.  Rohm & Haas uses




no disposal sites in Pennsylvania, because there are no adequate sites




in Pennsylvania.  There are only eight or ten sites in the entire country




that can deal with the wastes that we produce.




     William Bucciarelli, Chief, Division of Solid Waste Management, PER.




RCRA is an attempt to turn from correction of a problem to prevention.  DER




feels that the Act provides a firm foundation for a hazardous waste




management program in Pennsylvania.  Future legislation in this area in




Pennsylvania should amend legislation that is already on the books; it is




not necessary to start from scratch.  The responsibility for the hazardous




waste program should not be fragmented among many agencies, but should be




concentrated in DER, and the already existing solid waste management program.




DER is already trying to promote recovery of resources and waste exchange




programs, and to deal with emergencies dealing with hazardous wastes.




     DER would like to see Pennsylvania get the authority to administer




this Act.  If Pennsylvania accepts this authority, it would be under an




interim authorization,  so that the state could view the final guidelines




of the Federal Government before deciding whether to go permanently into




the program.

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     Thomas Scott, Esq., Klllian & Gephart,  PEC's Legislative Representative.




I noted that the first section of the model  legislation says that we do




have the technology to contain waste and that it is within the economic




ability of generators of waste to properly dispose of wastes. I was struck




by the fact that the industry can do it, but that the government apparently




does not have the money needed to force the industry to properly dispose of




hazardous wastes.  As environmentally concerned citizens, we must see.that




government does force industry to adequately treat these wastes.  Citizens




must be aware of budgetary problems, in addition to being aware of




substantative issues that affect the environment.  How can we get the most




mileage out of the environmental protection dollars we spend?  We need to




look at the model legislation and compare it to what we have today.  Many




of the provisions in this Act are presently on the books in Pennsylvania.




As we look at the model legislation, we must ask:  Where do we need to




change the present law?




     There are two major problems that must be dealt with.  One  is  the




problem of responsible industries generating hazardous wastes with  no




proper place to dispose of them.  The second is the problem of irresponsible




industries, those that are not concerned about proper disposal.  These




industries must be policed to make sure they correct their disposal




practices.  Proper disposal is more expensive, but society benefits greatly.




The benefits outweigh the costs.




     Robert Allen, Chief, Hazardous Materials Branch, EPA, Region  III.  DER




has done a good job in the area of solid waste management and is qualified to




take on the hazardous waste management program.  Pennsylvania does have some




existing laws that may be useful in dealing with hazardous waste management




problems.  EPA's model legislation should be used as a starting  point.

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     Edward Shuster, Newco Chemical Company, Niagra Falls, New York.  There




are enormous quantities of hazardous wastes being generated.  I feel that




the estimates made by DER and EPA are probably low.  These figures do not




take into account illegal dumping, spills, and accidents.  In the Midwest,




PCBs have been discovered in oil tanks.  The presence of the PCBs makes the




whole tank a hazardous waste, not just some small part of it.




     The outlook is not all bad.  Waste disposal will create jobs, and will




allow industries to stay in this jurisdiction and develop, instead of




departing for areas where more waste treatment sites are available.






           Summation of Afternoon Question and Answer Period






     Schramm.' What grant moneys might be available to the states from the




Federal Government?




     Allen. Fourteen million dollars were appropriated for FY 1978.  Based




on its population, Pennsylvania should get $779,000.  For FY 1979, the




allocation will be based on several factors, including population, wastes




generated, and the transportation distance to adequate treatment facilities.




Pennsylvania will probably get twice as much money in FY 1979 as in FY 1978.




     Schramm.  What resources and personnel are necessary to administer this




program in Pennsylvania?




     Bucciarelli.  Sixty new staff positions will be needed if Pennsylvania




is to accept authority for this program.  The  manifest system requires




many staff people  to implement it properly.  We will also need funds to




provide training programs for employees of hazardous waste management




facilities.




     Schramm.  Are matching funds available?

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                                     -31-
     Allen.  A 75-25 matching grant procedure will be used.   In the




discretion of the EPA Administrator, some deviations from this will be




possible.




     Joseph Berne (former staff person with PER).  Is this program to have




two phases—planning and implementation—as the solid waste program did?




     Bucciarelli.  Activity in this program will be in two phases.  The bulk




of the money for this program will go to hazardous waste programs.  Whatever




money is left over will go to planning.









                            END OF SEMINAR

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PARTICIPANTS IH PEC'S HAZARDOUS WASTE !(ANAGEMENT FORUM,
                                                            1970
Adams, Bill
Representative for Senator Hall
Main Capitol, Harrisburg,  17120

Altoff, Don
U.S. Utilities Service Corp.
470 Mall Circle Drive
Monroeville, 15146

Balamoun, Samuel
Pennwalt Corporation
700 First Ave. King of Prussia   19406

Berger, Stewart
PP & L
2 North 9th Street
Allentown,  18101
Bisco, Harry
City of Allentown
435 Hamilton St. Allentown
                             18101
 Bloomquist, Betsy
 Legislative Assistant
 600 N.  2nd St., Harrisburg  17101

 Boni, Frank
 Yarway  Corp.
 Bluebell,   19422

 Burns,  Bob
 Standard Coated Products
 Kazleton,   10201

 Cali, Greg
 Leeds & Northrup
 Sumneytown Pike
 North Wales   19454

 Callazzo, William
 Gilbert Assoc., Inc.
 P.O. Box 1498 Reading 19603

 Cardinal, Ann
 PEC Director
 564 Forbes Ave.
 Pittsburgh,   15219

 Carothers, J.C.
 Western Electric
 555 Union Blvd.,  Allentown  18103
Carter, Karin
Penn DER
P.O. Box 1467 Harrisburg  17120

Chenzoff, Irene
Gallery Chemical Co., Gallery  16042

Cline, Ray
Roy F. Waston, Inc.
Weston Way, Uest Chester  19380

Daugherty, Sue
Appalachian Audubon
131 Old Ford Dr. Camp Hill  17011

DeBenedectis, Hick
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th & Walnut Sts. Philadelphia   19106

DcrkicS,, Dan
U.S. EPA
401 "ll" St., S.tf. Washington, D.C
    20460

Dolan, Ton
Wissahlckon Valley Watershed Assoc.
25  Skippack Pike,  Ambler  19102

Duny,  Michael
Chemical and Hazardous Waste  Consulta-r'
P.O.  Box 146,  Effort   18330

Duvel, WQ., Jr.
Michael  Baker, Jr.,  Inc.
Box 280   Beaver  15009

Earlanson, Wb.
Neville  Chemical Co.
Pittsburgh,   15225

Eberly,  Scott
City of  Reading
8th & Washington Sts., Reading  19610

Eldredge, Robert
Eldredge Sanitation
 Box 6, Sweetwater Rd.
Glen Mill   19342

 Embich,  Thomas
 Pa. Chamber  of Connerce
 222 N. 3rd St.
 Harrisburg   17101

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 Farquhar ,.~Gor don
 C.A.P.S.
 McFarlen  Rd. Rd.  3
 Box 7,  Kennett  Square   19348

 Representative  Fee
 Main Capitol
 Harrisburg   17120

 Fitzgerald, Tfionas
 Wewco Chemical  Waste Systems,
 4626 Royal Ave.
 Niagra  Falls, N.Y.  14303

 Frame,  Lewis
 Lanchester Corp.
 Honey Brook,  19344

 Fraust, C.L.
 Western Electric
 555 Union Building
 Allentoxm  18103

 Gittleman, D.H.
 Western Electric
 P.O.  Box  241  Dept. H-20
 Reading  19603

 Click,  George
 USA Reactors, Ltd.
 525 Pleasure Rd.
 Lancaster  17601
             Inc.
Gockley, Gene
PP 6 L
2 North 9th St.
Allentovn  18101
Representative Goebbels
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120

Gray, Richard
GAI Consultants, Inc.
570 Beatty Rd.
Monroeville   15146

narsch, John U.
U.S. EPA, Rfigion III
6th & Walnut Streets
Philadelphia  19106
Henninger,-Jeffrey
Carpenter Tehcnology
P.O. Box 662  Reading   19603

Hitchin, Edward
Legislative Assistant
Rm. B-51  liain Capitol
Harrisburg   17120

Horst, Wn.
City of Lancaster
120 II. Duke St.
Lancaster;   •   17603

Hull, Paul
Gilbert Assoc.
P.O. Box 1498
Reading   19603

Irian, Dereck
Waste Ilanagenent Inc.
Chicago, 111.

Jacobs, H. Joseph
Gannett, Fleming, Cordrry &  Carpenter
P.O. Box 1963
Harrisburg   17105

Janoso, Richard
PP & L
2 North 9th Street
Allentown   18101

Johnson, Robert
Hatthey-Biohop
Malvern    19355

Kerr, Norman
Cherokee Plant
Merck Co., Inc.
P.O. Box 196  Danville  17821

Kirkpatrick, David
Legislative Analyst
Rm. 48 Main Capitol
Harrisburs   17120

Laird, Thomas
Lancaster Co. Planning Commission
50 IT. Duke St., P.O. Box  3480
Lancaster   17604

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Lama, Warren
Assistant to Rep. Yahner
RB. 145  Capitol Building
Harrisburg   17120

Lane, Edward
Valley Forge Audubon Society
P.O. Box 343  Wayne   19087

Lee, Dr.
Franklin Institute
20th and Benjamin Pkwy.
Philadelphia   19103

Lockhead, Thomas
Snith Kline Corp.
1500 Spring Garden Street
P.O. Box 7929
Philadelphia  19130

Loughead, Mr.
Wyeth Laboratories
P.O. Box 861
Paoli   19301

ilalaspina, John
Pfizer, Inc.
6AO N. 13th St.
Easton   18042

llanko, Joseph
Wolf, Block, Schorr & Solis-Cohen
Packard Building - 12th Floor
Philadelphia   19102

Masisak, Donald
N. Central Regional Planning
  and Development Commission
P'.O. Box 377
Ridgeway   15853
McHugh, Gerard
General Refractories
600 Grant Street, Rm.
Pittsburgh   15219

McGibbon, Mr.
Luken Steel
Coatesville 19320
3000
Hertz, Ron
Cherokee Plant
Merck Co., Inc.
P.O. Box 196  Danville   17821

Michael, Dennis
City of Lancaster
120 N. Duke St.
Lancaster   17603

Mills, Vto.
R.W. Eaken, Inc.
P.O. Box 171
Leesport  19533

Minich, Robert
City of Allentown
435 Hamilton Street
Allentown   18101

Mistichelli, Pete
Organic Recycling, Inc.
967 S. Matlack St.
West Chester   19330

Representative Samuel Morris
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120

Mullen, Hugh
IU Conversion  Systems, Inc.
3624'Market Street
Philadelphia   19104

Murphey,  Charles J.
Valley Forge Audubon Society
P.O.  Box  343 Wayne   19087

Nale,  Thomas
C.A.P.S.
McFarlen  Rd.   Rd.  3 Box 7
Kennett Square  19343

Representative O'Brien
Main Capitol
Harrisburg 17120

Pappajohn,  Ernie
U.S.  EPA
 401 "M" Street,  S.W.
Washington, D.C.   20460

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 Paretto, Michael
 U.S. Utilities Service, Corp.
 470 Mall Circle Drive
 Monroeville   15146

 'Pastor, Richard
 U.S. EPA,  Region III
 6th and Walnut Streets
 Philadelphia   19106

 Patton, Richard
 IU Conversion Systems, Inc.
 3624 Market St.
 Philadelphia  19104

 Perry,  Ronald
 Institute  of State and
      Regional Affairs
 Pennsylvania State Univ.
 Capitol Campus
 Middletown 15146
Petalouski, Dr.
Franklin  Institute
20th and  Benjamin Pkwy.
Philadelphia   19103

Paul, Linda
GAI Consultants
570 Beatty Rd.
Monroeville    15146

Rapier, Gordon
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia   19106

Representative Reed
Main Capitol
Harrisburg   17120

Reiff, George
Pell of Penn.
#1 Parkway - 16th Floor
Philadelphia

Revss, Rita
League of Women Voters
Box 284  Malvern   19355
 Rowe,  Gloria
 Sun Oil Company
 P.O. Box 426
 Marcus Hook   19061

 Ruggiano, Louis
 IU  Conversion  Systems, Inc.
 3624 Market Street
 Philadelphia  19104

 Savage,  Harry
 Fischer and Porter
 County Line Rd.
 Warminster   18974

 Schatz,  R.J.
 Gilbert  Assoc.
 P.O. Box 1498
 Reading  19603

 Schmidt, John
 Penn DER
 Box  1467
 Harrisburg   17120
Schuster, Edward
Newco Chemical Waste Syst
4626 Royal Ave.
Niagra Falls, H.Y.  14303

Sexton, George
Betz Laboratories
4636 Somertpn.Rd.
Trevose   19047

Shanley, Gerard
Energy Impact Assoc.
P.O. Box 1399
Pittsburgh 15230

Sitoner, Louis
Neville Chemical Co.
Pittsburgh  15225

Skinner, Richard
Certain-Teed Corp.
P.O. Box 860  #8 Bldg.
Valley Forge   19482
Inc.
                                          Sloan, Samuel
                                          York County Planning Cotraission
                                          220 S. Puke Street
                                          York   17403

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Smith, Nelson
Matthey-Bishop
Malvern   19355

Smith, Oliver
Western Electric
P.O. Box 241
Reading   19603

Snyder, Daniel, III* Esq.
Dechart, Price & Rhoads
3400 Centre Square West
1500 Market Street
Philadelphia   19102

Representative Taylor
Main Capitol
Harrsiburg  17120

Terpaktz, George
Scientific, Inc.
1703 East 2nd St.
Scotch Plains, New Jersey

Trainer, Nicholas
Sartomer Co.
Bolmar & Wields Sts.
West Chester   19380

Turetsky, Wm. S.
Allied Chemical Co.
Margaret and Bermuda Sts.
Philadelphia   19137

Waschic, Thomas
Aide to Sen. Gekas
1056 Union Depot Center
Harrisburg   17111

Wilcox, Nelson
Brooks Instrument
407 Vine Street
Hatfield    19440

Uydra, Joseph
AJ.'Je to Sen. Hanbech
Main Capitol
Hurrisburg  17120

Representative Yahner
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120
07076
Zurhide, George
Certain-Teed Corp.
P.O. Box 860  #8 Bldg.
Valley Forge   19482

Zerbe, Lewis
Empire Steel Castings
P.O. Box 139
Reading    19603

SPEAKERS AND PANELISTS

Allen, Robert
Chief - Hazardous Material* Branch
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia   19106

Bucciarelli, Hia.
Chief - Div. of Solid Waste Hgnt.
Bureau of Land Protection
Penn. DER
P.O. Box 2063
Harrisburg    17120

Early, A. Blakeman
Director - Environmental Action,  Inc.
1346 Connecticut Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C»   20036

Hand, Irving
Associate Professor - State and Regional
     Planning
Pennsylvania State University
Capitol Campus
Middletown   17057

Johnson, Lynn B.
Manager - Environmental Control
Rohm & Haas Co.
Bristol Pike,   Bristol    19007

Lehman, John P.
Director -  Hazardous  Uaste llgmt. Div.
U.S.  EPA
401 "M" Street,  S.TJ.
Washington, D.C.   20460

Middendorf, TJm.
Deputy Secretary for  Environmental Protect!
Penn.  DER
Fulton Building — 16th Floor
Harrisburg    17120

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Philipbar, Win., Jr.
President
Rollins Environmental Services, Inc.
One Rollins Plaza
Wilmington, Delaware   19899

Schranm, Jack
Regional Administrator
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia  19106

Scott, Thomas W., Esq.
Killian & Gephart
216-218 Pine Street
Box 886
Harrisburg   17108

Winsor, Curtin
President
Pennsylvania Environmental Council
225 South 15th Street
Philadelphia   19102

PEC STAFF

Bell, Sharon
Research Associate

Bennett, Jamie
Research Assistant

Farber, Jo Anna
Administrative Assistant
Winsor, Eleanor
Executive Director
 Prepared by the Pennsylvania Environnental Council,  Inc.  (PEC)
 225 South 15th Street
 Philadelphia,  Pa.   19102

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PARTICIPANTS IN PEC'S HAZARDOUS WASTE !IAKAGEMENT FORUM, Jan .  1978
Adams, Bill
Representative  for  Senator Hall
Main Capitol, Harrisburg,  17120

Altoff,  Don
U.S. Utilities  Service  Corp.
470 Mall Circle Drive
Monroeville,  15146

Balamoun, Samuel
Pennwalt Corporation
 700 First Ave.  King of  Prussia   19406

 Berger,  Stewart
PP & L
 2 North 9th Street
 Allentown,  18101

 Bisco, Harry
 City of Allentown
 435 Hamilton St. Allentown  18101

 Bloomquist,  Betsy
 Legislative Assistant
 600 N. 2nd St., Harrisburg  17101

 Boni, Frank
 Yarway Corp.
 Bluebell,   19422

 Burns, Bob
 Standard Coated Products
 Hazleton,   18201

 Cali, Greg
 Leeds &  Northrup
 Sumneytown Pike
 Horth Wales  19454

 Callazzo, William
 Gilbert  Assoc., Inc.
 P.O.  Box 1498   Reading 19603

 Cardinal, Ann
 PEC Director
  564 Forbes Ave.
 Pittsburgh,  15219

 Carothers, J.C.
 Western Electric
  555 Union Blvd.,   Allentown  18103
Carter, Karin
Penn DER
P.O. Box 1467 Harrisburg  17120

Chenzoff, Irene
Gallery Chemical Co., Gallery  16042

Cline, Ray
Roy F. Weeton, Inc.
Weston Way, West Chester  19380

Daugherty, Sue
Appalachian Audubon
131 Old  Ford Dr. Camp Hill  17011

DeBenedectis, Hick
U.S.  EPA, Region III
6th & Walnut Sts.  Philadelphia  19106

Dorkics, Dan
U.S.  EPA
401  "II"  St., S.W.  Washington,  D.C
    20460

Dolan, Tom
Wissahickon Valley Watershed Assoc.
 25 Sklppack Pike,  Ambler  19102

Duny, Michael
 Chemical and Hazardous Waste Consultar
P.O.  Box 146,  Effort   18330

 Duvel, Wm., Jr.
 Michael Baker, Jr., Inc.
 Box 280  Beaver  15009

 Earlanson, Wta.
 Neville Chemical Co.
 Pittsburgh,  15225

 Eberly, Scott
 City of Reading
 8th & Washington Sts., Reading  19610

 Eldredge, Robert
 Eldredge Sanitation
 Box  6,  Sweetwater Rd.
 Glen Hill   19342

 Embich, Thomas
 Pa.  Chamber of Commerce
 222  N.  3rd St.
 Harrisburg   17101

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  Farquhar,'Gordon
  C.A.P.S.
  McFarlen Rd.  Rd.  3
  Box 7,  Kennett  Square   19348

  Representative  Fee
  Main Capitol
  Harrisburg    17120

  Fitzgerald, TKooa's
  dewco Chemical  Waste Systems, Inc.
  4626 Royal Ave.
  Niagra  Falls, N.Y.  14303

  Frame,  Lewis
  Lanchester Corp.
  Honey Brook,  19344

  Fraust, C.L.
  Western Electric
  555 Union Building
 Allentown   18103

 Gittleraan,  D.H.
 Western Electric
 P.O. Box 241  Dept. H-20
 Reading   19603

 Click,  George
 USA Reactors,  Ltd.
 525 Pleasure Rd.
 Lancaster   17601
 Gockley,  Gene
 PP & L
 2  North 9th St.
Allentown  18101
 Representative  Goebbels
 Main Capitol
 Harrisburg  17120

 Gray, Richard
 GAI Consultants, Inc.
 570 Beatty Rd.
Monroeville   15146

Harsch, John W.
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th & Wnlnut Streets
Philadelphia  19106
 Henninger, Jeffrey
 Carpenter Tehcnology
 P.O.  Box 662  Reading  19603

 Hitchin, Edward
 Legislative Assistant
 Rm. B-51  I lain Capitol
 Harrisburg   17120

 Horst, Win.
 City of Lancaster
 120 N. Duke St.
 Lancaster;   •   17603

 Hull, Paul
 Gilbert Assoc.
 P.O. Box 1498
 Reading   19603

 Irlam, Dereck
 Waste Management Inc.
 Chicago,  111.

 Jacobs, W.  Joseph
 Gannett,  Fleming,  Cordrry & Carpenter
 P.O. Box  1963
 Harrisburg    17105

 Janoso, Richard
 PP  & L
 2 North 9th Street
 Allentown   18101

 Johnson, Robert
 Matthey-Bishop
 Malvern    19355

 Kerr, Norman
 Cherokee Plant
 Merck Co., Inc.
 P.O. Box 196  Danville  17821

 Kirkpatrick, David
 Legislative Analyst
 Rm.  48 Main Capitol
 Harrisburg   17120

Laird, Thomas
Lancaster Co.  Planning Commission
50 N. Duke St.,  P.O. Box 3480
Lancaster   17604

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 Lamm, Warren
 Assistant  to Rep. Yahner
 Rm.  145  Capitol Building
 Harrisburg  17120

 Lane, Edward
 Valley Forge Audubon Society
 P.O. Box 343  Wayne   19087

 Lee, Dr.
 Franklin Institute
 20th and Benjamin Pkwy.
 Philadelphia   19103

 Lockhead, Thomas
 Snith Kline Corp.
 1500 Spring Garden Street
 P.O. Box 7929
 Philadelphia  19130

 Loughead, Mr.
 Wyeth Laboratories
 P.O. Box 861
 Paoli   19301

 Malaspina, John
 Pfizer, Inc.
 640 N. 13th St.
 Easton   18042

 llanko, Joseph
 Wolf, Block, Schorr & Solis-Cohen
 Packard Building - 12th Floor
 Philadelphia   19102

 Masisak, Donald
 N. Central Regional Planning
  and Development Commission
 P.O. Box 377
 Ridgeway   15853

HcHugh, Gerard
 General Refractories
 600 Grant Street, Rm. 3000
 Pittsburgh   15219

McGibbon, lit.
 Luken Steel
Coatesville 19320
Mertz, Ron
Cherokee Plant
Merck Co., Inc.
P.O. Box 196  Danville   17821

Michael, Dennis
City of Lancaster
120 N. Duke St.
Lancaster   17603

Mills, Wm.
R.U. Eaken, Inc.
P.O. Box 171
Leesport  19533

Minich, Robert
City of Allentown
435 Hamilton Street
Allentown   18101

Mistichelli, Pete
Organic Recycling, Inc.
967 S. Matlack St.
West Chester   19330

Representative Samuel Morris
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120
Mullen, Hugh
III Conversion Systems,
3624 Market Street
Philadelphia   19104
Inc.
Murphey, Charles J.
Valley Forge Audubon Society
P.O. Box 343 Uayne   19087

Nale, Thomas
C.A.P.S.
McFarlen Rd.  Rd. 3 Box 7
Kennett Square   19348

Representative O'Brien
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120

Pappajohn, Ernie
U.S. EPA
401 "M" Street, S.U.
Washington, D.C.  20460

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Paretto, Michael
U.S. Utilities Service, Corp,
470 Mall Circle Drive
Monroeville   15146
Pastor, Richard
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia   19106

Patton, Richard
IU Conversion Systems, Inc.
3624 Market St.
Philadelphia  19104

Perry, Ronald
Institute of State and
      Regional Affairs
Pennsylvania State Univ.
Capitol Campus
Middletown 15146
Petalouski, Dr.
Franklin Institute
20th and Benjamin Pkwy.
Philadelphia  19103

Paul, Linda
GAI Consultants
570 Beatty Rd.
Monroeville   15146

Rapier, Gordon
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia  19106

Representative Reed
Main Capitol
Harrisburg   17120

Reiff, George
Bell of Penn.
#1 Parkway - 16th Floor
Philadelphia

Reves, Rita
League of VJomen Voters
Box 284  Malvern   19355
Rowe, Gloria
Sun Oil Company
P.O. Box 426
Marcus Hook   19061

Ruggiano, Louis
IU Conversion Systems, Inc.
3624 Market Street
Philadelphia  19104

Savage, Harry
Fischer and Porter
County Line Rd.
Warminster   18974

Schatz, R.J.
Gilbert Assoc.
P.O. Box 1498
Reading  19603

Schmidt, John
Penn DER
Box 1467
Harrisburg   17120

Schuster, Edward
Newco Chemical Waste Systems, Inc.
4626 Royal Ave.
Niagra Falls, II. Y.  14303

Sexton, George
Betz Laboratories
4636 Somerton Rd.
Trevose   19047

Shanley, Gerard
Energy Impact Assoc.
P.O. Box 1899
Pittsburgh 15230

Sitomer, Louis
Neville Chemical Co.
Pittsburgh  15225

Skinner, Richard
Certain-Teed Corp.
P.O. Box 860  #8 Bldg.
Valley Forge   19482
                                          Sloan, Samuel
                                          York County Planning Commission
                                          220 S. Pvke Street
                                          York   17403

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 Smith, Nelson
 Matthey-Bishop
 Malvern   19355

 Smith, Oliver
 Western Electric
 P.O. Box 241
 Reading   19603

 Snyder, Daniel, III, Esq.
 Dechart, Price & Rhoads
 3400 Centre Square West
 1500 Market Street
 Philadelphia   19102

 Representative Taylor
 Main Capitol
 Harrsiburg  17120

 Terpaktz, George
 Scientific, Inc.
 1703 East 2nd St.
 Scotch Plains, New Jersey

 Trainer, Nicholas
 Sartomer Co.
 Bolmar & Wields Sts.
 West Chester   19380

 Turetsky, Wm. S.
 Allied Chemical Co.
 Margaret and Bermuda Sts.
 Philadelphia   19137

 Waschic, Thomas
 Aide to Sen. Gekas
 1056 Union Depot Center
 Harrisburg   17111

 Wilcox, Nelson
 Brooks Instrument
 407 Vine Street
 HatfieId    19440

 Wydra, Joseph
 Aide to Sen. Manbech
M«iin Capitol
 Hurrisburg  17120

 Representative Yahner
Main Capitol
Harrisburg  17120
07076
Zurhide, George
Certain-Teed Corp.
P.O. Box 860  #8 Bldg.
Valley Forge   19482

Zerbe, Lewis
Empire Steel Castings
P.O. Box 139
Reading    19603

SPEAKERS AND PANELISTS

Allen, Robert
Chief - Hazardous Materials Branch
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia   19106

Bucciarelli, Wm.
Chief - Div. of Solid Waste Mgnt.
Bureau of Land Protection
Penn. DER
P.O. Box 2063
Harrisburg    17120

Early, A. Blakeman
Director - Environmental Action, Inc.
1346 Connecticut Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C.   20036

Hand, Irving
Associate Professor - State and Regional
     Planning
Pennsylvania State University
Capitol Campus
Middletown   17057

Johnson, Lynn B.
Manager - Environmental Control
Rohm & Haas Co.
Bristol Pike,  Bristol   19007

Lehman, John P.
Director - Hazardous Waste llgmt. Div.
U.S. EPA
401 "M" Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C.  20460

Middendorf, Wm.
Deputy Secretary for Environmental Prot«eti
Penn. DER
Fulton Building - 16th Floor
Harrisburg   17120

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Philipbar, Wm., Jr.
President
Rollins Environmental Services,  Inc.
One Rollins Plaza
Wilmington, Delaware    19899

Schramm, Jack
Regional Administrator
U.S. EPA, Region III
6th and Walnut Streets
Philadelphia  19106

Scott, Thomas N., Esq.
Killian & Gephart
216-218 Pine Street
Box 886
Harrisburg   17108

Winsor, Curtin
President
Pennsylvania Environmental Council
225 South 15th Street
Philadelphia   19102

PEC S. .FF

Bell, Sharon
Research Associate

Bennett, Jamie
Research Assistant

Farber, Jo Anna
Administrative Assistant
Winsor, Eleanor
Executive Director
 Prepared by the Pennsylvania Environmental Council, Inc.  (PEC)
 225 South 15th Street
 Philadelphia,  Pa.   19102


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