NEW  YORK
    SECOND SESSION
    September 2O-21, 1967
                                            NEW
                                         JERSEY
In the Matter off Pollution off the
Interstate Waters off the Hudson  River
and its Tributaries -
New York and New Jersey
 U. S. Department of the Interior  •  Federal Water Pollution Control Administration

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Opening Statement
        by Murray Stein
Hon. Nelson D. Rockefeller                               11

Emil Frankel
        representing Hon. Jacob K. Javits                35

Robert Green
        representing Hon. Robert P. Kennedy              40

Paul De Falco                                             55

Col. R. T. Batson                                        64

L. McCarren                                              ?4

James E. Me Shane                                         81

Dr. Roscoe P. Kandle                                     86

Eugene E. Hult                                          118

Arthur Handley                                          195

William K. Shaffer                                      28l

Dr. Natale Colosi                                       297

Hon. Whitney North Seymour, Jr.                         3C4

Alan L. Blake                                           312

C. C. Johnson                                           315

Dr. John A. Lyons                                       325

Richard W. Keeler                                       331

Carl Stefanic
       representing Dr. H. Jackson Davis                337

James Harding                                          3^2

William Lathrop Rich                                    3^9

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           Second Session of the Conference in the Matter



of Pollution of the Interstate Waters of the Hudson River



and its Tributaries, held at the Statler-Hilton Hotel,



Broadway at 32nd Street, New York, New York, on September



20, 1967, at 9:30 a.m.
           PRESIDING:



              Mr. Murray Stein, Assistant Commissioner



              for Enforcement, Federal Water Pollution



              Control Administration, Department of the



              Interior.
           CONFEREES:



              Lester M.  Klashman, Regional Director, Federal



              Water Pollution  Control Administration, North-



              east Region, Boston,  Massachusetts





              Dwight F.  Metzler, Deputy Commissioner, New



              York State Health Department,  Albany, New  York





              Dr. Roscoe P.  Kandle, Commissioner,  New Jersey



              State Department of Health





              Thomas R.  Glenn, Jr., Director and  Chief Engineer,



              Interstate Sanitation Commission, New York,  N.  Y.

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PARTICIPANTS;




           Hon. Nelson D. Rockefeller, Governor of the



State of New York




           Emil Frankel, on behalf of the Honorable Jacob K.



Javits, United States Senator from the State of New York



           Robert Green, on behalf of the Honorable Robert



F. Kennedy, United States Senator from the State of New York



           Paul De Falco, Jr., Deputy Regional Director,



Northeast Region, Federal Water Pollution Control Administra-




tion, Department of the Interior, Metuchen, New Jersey



           Colonel R. T. Batson, District Engineer, New York



District, Corps of Engineers, United States Army



           L. McCarren, Region II, General Services Administra-



tion, New York, New York



           James E. McShane, District Emergency Planning




Officer, Maritime Administration, United States Department



of Commerce, New York, New York



           Dr. Roscoe P. Kandle, Conferee and Commissioner,



New Jersey State Department of Health, Trenton, New Jersey



           Eugene E. Hult, Commissioner of Public Works of



the City of New York



           Arthur Handley, Associate Director, Division of



Pure Water, New York State Health Department



           William K. Shaffer, Chief, Construction Grants




Activities, Division of Pure Waters, State of New York



Department of Health, Albany, New York

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PARTICIPANTS (Continued);
           Dr. Natale Colosi, Chairman, Interstate Sanita-
tion Commission, Professor of Bacteriology and Public Health
at Wagner College, Dean of Polyclinic Medical School
           Hon. Whitney North Seymour, Jr., State Senator,
26th District, State of New York
           Alan L.'Blake, Legislative Representative to
Assemblyman Joseph A. Pusco, 86th Assembly District, Bronx
County, New York
          C. C. Johnson, Assistant Commissioner, Environmental
Health Services, New York City Health Department, New York,
New York
           Dr. John A. Lyons, Jr., Commissioner of Health
of Albany County, Chairman of Albany County Sewer Agency
           Richard W. Keeler,, Chairman of the Rensselaer
County Agency for Abatement and Control of Pollution, Troy,
New York
           Carl Stefanic, on behalf of Dr. H. Jackson Davis,
Commissioner of Health, Rensselaer County, New York
           James Harding, Commissioner for Division of Pure
Water, Westchester County, New York
           William Lathrop Rich, Chairman of the Committee
for the New York-Montreal Seaway
           James P. O'Donnell, on behalf of Hon. Frank D.
O'Connor, President of the City Council, City of New York

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE;



           Mark Abelson, Regional Coordinator, U. S.




Department of the Interior, Boston, Massachusetts



           H. Mat Adams, Chairman, Middlesex Company Sewer




Authority, Sayreville, N. J.



           Alexander Aldrich, Executive Director, Hudson



River Valley Commission, Tarrytown, N. Y.



           Mary C. Ansbro, Editor, The Soap and Detergent




Association, N. Y. C.



           George Apfel, Consulting Engineer, Nebolsine, Toth,




McPhee Association, Port Lee, N. J.



           Arthur Ashendorff, Civil Engineer, New York City




Health Department, N. Y.



           Richard P. Aulie, Yale University, New Haven,




Conn.



           F. N. Bagley, Superintendent Plant Engineer,




Chevrolet Tarrytown, North Tarrytown, N. Y.



           G. E. Balch, Manager, Air & Water Pollution




Control, Allied Chemical Corp., New York, N. Y.



           Jeffrey M. Barrie, Graduate Student, New York




University, Flushing, N. Y.



           Colonel R. T. Batson, District Engineer, New York



District, U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, New York, N. Y.



           H. D. Beier, P. E., Associate, Tippetts-Abbett-




McCarthy-Stratton, N. Y. C.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Quentin R. Bennett, New York State Conservation



Dept., Ronkonkoma, N. Y.



           Donald S. Benson, Public Relations Director, New



Jersey Department of Health, Trenton, N. J.



           Charles F. Bien, Supervisor, Pollution Control,



General Aniline & Film Corp., Linden, N. J.



           David Bird, Reporter, New York Times



           John A. Biros, Supervisor, Department Water &



Sewer, Village of North Tarrytown, North Tarrytown, N. Y.



           Alan L. Blake, Legislative Assistant to Assembly-




man Joseph A. Fusco, N.Y.C.



           Leonore A. Blitz, Secretary to Assemblyman William




Green, N. Y. C.



           Ralph H. Bowers, Public Information Officer, Con




Edison, New York, N. Y.



           E. Bradley Boyle, Health Publications Editor, New



York State Health Dept., Albany, N. Y.



           Theodore Bramson, Davos Development Co., New York,




N. Y.



           Alfred M. Buff,  Supervisory Sanitary Engineer,



New York State Department of Health, New York, N. Y.



           John B. Burt, Pollution Control  Engineer, General




Aniline & Film Corp., Linden, N. J.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE  (Continued):



           Garrett J. Byrnes, Chief, Construction Operations



Division, North Atlantic Division Corps of Engineers, New



York, N. Y.



           Gary G. Caplan, Budget Analyst, New York State



Assembly Ways & Means Committee, Albany, N. Y.



           Paul R. Cardenas, Jr., Instructor, New York



University, Bronx, N. Y.



           George B. Case, Chairman, Planning Board, Tarry-



town, N. Y.



           T. R. Cooil, Associate, Parsons Brinckerhoff Quade



& Douglas, New York, N. Y.



           Robert E. Copeland, Engineer, O'Brien & Gere, Con-



sulting Engineer, Syracuse, New York



           Edmund Couch, Jr., Chief, Water Supply-Pollution



Section, Army Corps of Engineers, Washington, D. C.



           Doris L. Clark, Senator Basil Paterson, N. Y. C.



           Jim Collis, Reporter, NBC News, N. Y. C.



           Kenneth Darmer, Engineer, U. S. Geological Survey,



Albany,  N. Y.



           Mrs. Edward M. Davis, Water Resources Chairman,



League of Women Voters of New York State, Poughkeepsie, N. Y.



           Stanley R. Davis, Regional Hydraulic Engineer,



Federal Highway Administration, Dalmar, N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Paul De Falco, Jr., Deputy Regional Director,



FWPCA, U. S. Department of the Interior, Metuchen, N. J.



           Philip E. Dodge, Executive Director, Hudson River



Conservation Society, Cold Springs, N. Y.



           Thomas Donoghue, Air & Water News, N. Y. C.




           William G. Eckenberg, Sr., Engineer, Hercules,



Inc., Delaware



           Richard Fanning, Associate, W. E. Coduliced Associ-



ates, Syosset, L. I., N. Y.



           William J. Farrell, District Health Officer,



Westchester County Health Dept., New York



           Jean Faust, Research Assistant, Congressman William



F. Ryan, New York, N. Y.



           Maurice M. Feldman, Deputy Commission Engineer,



New York City Dept. Sanitation, New York, N. Y.



           Thomas Ferry, Director, Division of Construction



Grants, FWPCA, U. S. Department of the Interior, Washington,



D. C.



           Robert Feuer, Project Engineer, New York City



Dept. of Public Works, New York, New York



           Richard Field, Sanitary Engineer, Eastern Division,




Naval Facilities Engineering Command, New York, N. Y.



           Jerome C. Flato, Chemical Consultant, IBM Real



Estate & Construction Division, White Plains, New York

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Richard E. Foerster, Research Representative,



Greeley and Hansen, New York, N. Y.



           Emil H. Prannel, Legislative Assistant to U. S.



Senator Jacob Javits, Washington, D. C.



           Fillmore E. Garrison, Chief, Utilities Branch,



U. S. Military Academy, West Point, N. Y.



           Isaiah Gellman, Assistant Technical Director,



National Council for Stream Improvement, New York City



           Erick Gidlund, Assistant Professor, New York



Uhiversity, Bronx, N. Y.



           Matt Gould, Director, Environmental Control,



Georgia-Pacific, Portland, Ore.



           Robert Green, Associate of Senator Robert F.



Kennedy, New York, N. Y.



           Guy E. Griffin, Deputy Commissioner, Department



of Public Works, County of Westchester, N. Y., White Plains,



N. Y.



           Raymond Grob, Hydraulic Engineer, Federal Power



Commission, New York, N. Y.



           Virginia B. Gross, Program Chairman of Water



Pollution, National Society for Constitutional Security,



Edgewater, N. J.



           Thomas P.  Halley, Engineer, VA Hospital, Castle



Point,  N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);




           A. Handley, Associate Director, Division of Pure




Water, New York State Dept. of Health, New York




           J. C. Harding, Commissioner, Public Works,




Westchester County, White Plains, N. Y.




           John E. Harrison, Regional Engineer, New York




State Health Department, White Plains, N. Y.




           Kenneth B. Hauptman, Plant Operator, Castle




Point VA Hospital, Castle Point, N. Y.




           Marcia Hays, Reporter, The Record, Bergen County,




N. J.




           Sheila E. Hermes, LeBoeuf Lamb & Leiby, New York,




N. Y.



           H. Heukelekian, Killam Associates, Millburn, N. J,




           William H. Honore, Supervisory Recreational




Planner, U. S. Department of the Interior, Bureau of Outdoor




Recreation, Palls Church, Va.




           Mary Hornaday, Staff Correspondent, The Christian




Science Monitor, N. Y. C.




           John W. Horhey, Consultant, City of New York,




Bureau of Water Pollution Control, Department of Public




Works, N. Y. C.



           Bruce Howlett, Associate Executive Director,




Hudson River Valley Commission, Tarrytown, N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE  (Continued);



           Thomas N. Hushower, Sanitary Engineer, U. S.



Public Health Service, New York, N. Y.




           Frank K.  Inzerillo, Environmental Engineer,



General Aniline & Film Corp., Linden, N. J.



           Albert C. Jensen, Assistant Chief of Marine



Fishing, New York State Conservation Department, Ronkonkoma,



N. Y.




           Roscoe P. Kandle, Commissioner, New Jersey Depart-



ment of Health, Trenton, N. J.



           William A. Keane, Sr., Engineer, New York State



Health Department, White Plains, N. Y.



           Richard W. Keeler, Supervisory, Town of Brunswick,



Troy, N. Y.



           Francis W. Kelly, Assistant Chief, Construction



Grants, Division of  Pure Waters, New York State Department of



Health, Albany, N. Y.




           Murray Kempton, Correspondent, New York Post



Political Column, New York, N. Y.




           E. J. Kilcawley, Professor of Environmental



Engineering, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, N. Y.



           F. W. Kittrell, Acting Chief, Technical Assistance




and Investigation, Federal Water Pollution Control Administra-



tion, Cincinnati, Ohio

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued):



           Marion J. Klawonn, Assistant Editor, Engineering



News Record, New York, N. Y.



           Martin Lang, Director, Bureau of Water Pollution



Control, Department of Pure Waters, N. Y. C.



           Howard J. Lampil, Chief, Harbor Supervision



Branch, U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, New York District, N. Y.



           David Laredo, Sanitary Engineer, Tippetts-Abbett-



McCarthy-Stratton, New York, N. Y.



           Alfred C. Leonard, Partner, Malcolm Pirnie



Engineers, White Plains, N. Y.



           Harvey Liebe, Assistant Professor, Rutgers, Uni-



versity, Newark, N. J.



           Leonard Lipton, Division Engineers, Standard Brads,



Inc., N. Y. C.



           John J. A. Lyons, M. D., Commissioner of Health,



Albany Co. Sewer Agency, Albany, N. Y.



           John L. Maneini, Engineer, Hydroscience, Inc.,



Leonia, N. J.



           James L. Marcus, Commissioner, Water Supply Gas



& Electric, New York, N. Y.



           Carl J. Mays, Planning Director, Orange County,



Goshen, N. Y.



           Edward H. Meiser, Investigator, Corps of Engineers,



Albany Field Office, Troy, N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Charles P. Miles, Jr., Assistant Director, New



York City Health Department, New York, N. Y.



           Otto Milgram, Associate, E. T. Killam Associates,



Inc., Millburn, N. J.



           Dr. Alan H. Molof, Associate Professor of Civil



Engineering, New York University, Bronx, N. Y.



           Joseph Monkoski, Civil Engineer, National Park



Service, Philadelphia, Pa.



           J. I. Munson, Vice President, Hydronics Corp.,



Metuchen, N. J.



           Lawrence Joseph McCarren, Mechanical Engineer



P.S.C., General Services Administration, N. Y. C.



           James E. McShane, Emergency Planning Officer,



Maritime Administration, Department of Commerce, N. Y. C.



           M. Newmark, President, Newmark & Co., N. Y. C.



           Itorman H. Nosenchuck, P. E., Assistant for State



Contracts, Construction Grants Activities, New York State



Department of Health, Albany, N. Y.



           Irwin W. Novick, Chief, Federal & State Aid Unit,



Department of Public Works, N. Y. C.



           James F. O'Donnell, Assistant to City Council



President Frank D. O'Connor, New York, N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Brian O'Neill, Recreation Resource Specialist,



Bureau of Outdoor Recreation, Washington, D. C.



           John T. O'Neill, Consulting Engineer, Brooklyn,



N. Y.



           Richard Paccione, P. E., Director, Division of



Environmental Health, Yonkers City, Yonkers, N. Y.



           Prank L. Panuzio, Chief Engineering Division,



Department of the Army, New York District Corps of Engineer,



New York, N. Y.



           Mrs. Norman H. Parsons, Water Commission, League



of Women Voters, State of N. Y.



           A. S. Pearson, Division Engineer, Consolidated



Edison Co. of New York, Inc., New York, N. Y.



           Lincoln Peschiera, Engineer Group Leader, National



Lead - Titanium Division, South Amboy, N. J.



           James Pfafflin, Assistant  Professor, Corps of



Engineers, Brooklyn Polytechnic Institute, Brooklyn, N.  Y.



           Anthony J.  Popowski, Executive Director, Middlesex



County Sewerage Authority,  Sayreville, N. J.



           Francis X.  Popper, Captain, USESSA,  Coast &



Geodetic Survey, Rockville, Md.



           Robert A.  Potts, Jr., Reporter, WCBS-TV News,




N. Y. C.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Howard Quinn, Metropolitan District Director, New




York State Office of Planning Coordination, N. Y. C.



           Thomas P. Quirk, Partner, Quirk, Lawler & Mansley,




Engineers, New York, N. Y.



           John M. Rademacher, Director, Division of Technical



Services, Federal Water Pollution Control Administration,



Washington, D. C.




           Paul Resnick, Project Information Officer, U.S.



Department of the Interior, Federal Water Pollution Control




Administration, Metuchen, N. J.



           Rocco D. Ricci, Chief, Construction Grants Program



New York, New Jersey and Delaware,  FWPCA, Metuchsn, N. J.




           Colonel William L. Rich, Chairman, Commission



for the New York - Montreal Sewage, N. Y. C.



           Anthony R. Ricigliano, Supervisory Public Health




Engineer, New Jersey State Department of Health, Trenton,



N. J.



           F. R. Riley, Water Consultant, American Cyanamid.




Wayne, N. J.



           B. P. Robinson, P. E., Chief, Engineering Branch



Region I, U. S. Department of Housing and Urban Development,




N. Y. C.



           E. W. Rossell, Administrative Assistant, New York




State Health Department, Albany, N. Y.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE  (Continued);




           S. Sattler, Federal and State Aid, Assistant




Chief, Department of Public Works, New York, N. Y.




           Harry Schlegel, Research Director, New York Joint




Legislative Committee of Interstate Coop., N. Y. C.




           Arthur J. Schor, Assistant Civil Engineer, New




York City Health Department, New York, N. Y.




           John Schubeck, Reporter, ABC News, New York, N. Y.




           Fred J. Shumas, Chief Hydraulic Engineer, H. A.




Simons Int., Canada




           Louis Schwartz, Chief Plant Design, Bureau of




Water Pollution Control, Dept. of Public Works, New York, N. Y,




           Theodore A. Schwartz, Deputy Attorney General,




State of New Jersey, Trenton, N. J.




           Sol Seid, Chief Engineer, Middlesex County




Sewerage Authority, Sayreville, N. J.




           Whitney North Seymour, Jr., State Senator, New



York, N.  Y.




           William K. Shaffer, Chief, Construction Grants




Activities,  New York State Department of Health, Albany,  N. Y.




           Steve Singer. Reporter, Nyack Journal - News,




Nyack, N.  Y.




           S.  F. Singer, Department Assistant Secretary,




U. S. Department of the Interior, Washington, D. C.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           R. Hobart Souther, Research Consultant, Greensboro,



N. C.



           Anton E. Sparr,  Principal Engineer, Alexander



Potter Associates, New York, N. Y.



           Carl J. Stefanik, Director of Environmental



Health, Rensselaer County Health Department, Troy, N. Y.



           Mrs. Claire Stern, Administrative Assistant



Ifessau County Planning Commission, County Executive E. H.



Nlckerson, Mineolo, N. Y.



           Lester A. Sutton, Regional Construction Program



Director, Federal Water Pollution Control Administration,



Metuchen, N. J.



           Alfred Tayne, Assistant Chief Financial Assistance,



Small Business Administration, N. Y. C.



           Leo Tobias, Engineer, Corps of Engineers, Office



of Chief Engineers, Washington, D. C.



           Martin Tuman, Assistant U. S. Attorney, U. S.



Attorney District, New Jersey, Newark,  N. J.



           George R. Turner, Jr., Assistant Division



Engineer, U. S. Federal Highway Administration, Bureau of



Public Roads, Albany, N. Y.



           Rod Vandivert, Scenic Hudson, N. Y. C.

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THOSE IN ATTENDANCE (Continued);



           Kenneth H. Walker, Deputy Director, Federal Water



Pollution Control Administration, Metuchen, N. J.



           John H. Warden, Mayor, City of Rensselaer, N. Y.



           C. H. Wentworth, Lieutenant Colonel Public  Health



Service, Health & Sanitation Officer, U. S. Coast Guard 3rd



Coast Guard Dispensary, Governors Island, N. Y.



           George F. Whyte, Assistant Civil Engineer, New



York City Department of Health, New York, N. Y.



           John Geottscy Will, Assistant Regional Solicitor,



Department of the Interior, Philadelphia, Pa.



           Robert L. Wilson, Director, Basic Planning



Studies, Department of City Planning, N. Y. C.



           James F. Wolfe, Civil Engineer, National Park



Service, New York, N. Y.



           Allan Wolper, Reporter, Associated Press, N. Y. C.



           John F. Wrocklage, Chief. Plan Formulation Branch,



Planning Division, North Atlantic Division, Corps of



Engineers, New York, N. Y.

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                 Opening  Statement - Mr. Stein
                       OPENING STATEMENT



                             BY



                       MR. MURRAY STEIN








           MR. STEIN:  The conference is open.



           The second session of the conference in the matter



of pollution of the interstate waters of the Hudson River and



its tributaries is being held under the provisions of the



Federal Water Pollution Control Act.



           Under the provisions of the Act, the Secretary



of the Interior is authorized to call a conference of this



type when requested to do so by the Governor of a State, and



when on the basis of reports, surveys, or studies, he has



reason to believe that pollution of interstate waters subject



to abatement under the Federal Act is occurring.



           The purpose of the conference is to bring together



the State and interstate water pollution control agencies,



representatives of the U. S. Department of the Interior, and



other interested parties to review the existing situation and



the progress which has been made, to lay a basis of future

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                 Opening Statement - Mr. Stein
action by all parties concerned, and to give the States,
localities, and industries an opportunity to take any indi-
cated remedial action under State and local law.
           As many of you know, the conference technique is
rather an old one.  It is used informally by both States
here, certainly, in the conduct of their business, and by us
in our business.
           As a matter of fact, the conference technique was
long ago suggested by a very famous case in 1921.  The
Supreme Court, in considering the case of pollution involving
New York and New Jersey, said:
                "We cannot withhold the suggestion,
      inspired by the consideration of this case, that
      the grave problem of sewage disposal by the large
      and growing population living on the shores of
      New York Bay is one more readily to be most wisely
      solved by cooperative study and by conference and
      mutual concession on the part of representatives of
      the States so vitally interested in it than by pro-
      ceedings in any court however constituted."
           I think that these statements are as true today,
more than forty years later, as they were then.
           We are still working on this problem, as this
conference indicates, but, hopefully, we are a  little closer

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               Opening Statement - Mr. Stein



towards the solution of it.  While much water has gone under



the bridge since then, we do truly have the evidences of a



cooperative Federal-State-interstate-local program in this



area .



           I think even with the differences in the Federal,



local, State and interstate agencies, it might be said, and



I hope not too loosely, that we are all working as one staff,



trying to get this basic problem solved.



           The first session of this conference was held on



September 28-30, 1965* at the request of the Governors of



New York and New Jersey and on the basis of reports, surveys,



or studies.



           At the first session, the conferees recommended a



remedial program that included the following:



           1.  All discharge sources to the Hudson River



       and its tributaries, whether public, Federal



       installations, or industrial, shall receive a



       minimum of secondary treatment or its equivalent,



       and effective disinfection of the effluents as



       required to protect water uses.



           2.  Industrial plants shall improve practices for



       the segregation and treatment of wastes to effect



       the maximum reduction of the following:



               a)  Acids and alkalies;

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               Opening Statement - Mr.  Stein
               b)  Oil and tarry substances]
               c)  Phenolic compounds and organic compounds
           that contribute to taste and odor problems;
               d)  Nutrient materials including ammonia and
           nitrogenous phosphoric compounds;
               e)  Suspended material;
               f)  Toxic and highly colored wastes;
               g)  Oxygen requiring substances;
               h)  Heat;
               i)  Foam producing discharges;
               J)  Other wastes which detract from recrea-
           tional uses, esthetic enjoyment or other bene-
           ficial uses of the waters.
           Subsequent to the conference, the Secretary of
Health, Education, and Welfare recommended a time schedule for
implementation of the remedial program.  This schedule is as
follows:
               a)  Designs for remedial facilities completed
           by January 1, 1967;
               b)  Financing arrangements completed by April
           1, 1967;
               c)  Construction started by July 1, 19&7;
               d)  Construction completed and plants placed
           into operation by January 1, 1970;

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               Opening Statement - Mr. Stein



               e)  Commensurate schedules to be adopted



           for the interception and treatment of industrial



           wastes and wastes from Federal installations;



               f)  Existing schedules calling for earlier



           completion dates are to be met.



           This second session of the conference was called



for the purpose of reviewing compliance with the recommended



schedule of remedial action and for taking up any other prob-



lems  which may be appropriate.



           As specified in Section 10 of the Federal Water



Pollution Control Act, the Secretary of the Interior has noti-



fied the official State water pollution control agencies of



New York and New Jersey, and the Interstate Sanitation Commis-



sion, of this conference.  This conference is between the



official State and interstate agencies and the United States



Department of the Interior.  The New York State Department of



Health will be represented by Mr. Dwight Metzler, who is



out of the room since, I guess, he might expect a distinguished



visitor shortly, and Mr. Handley is sitting in for him while



Mr. Metzler is out.



           The New Jersey State Department of Health is being



represented by Dr. Roscoe P. Kandle.



           The representative of the Interstate Sanitation



Commission is Mr.  Thomas Glenn, Jr.

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               Opening Statement - Mr. Stein



           Mr. Lester Klashman, our Regional Program



Director, has been designated as conferee for the Federal




Government.



           My name is Murray Stein.  I am from Washington,



D. C., and the representative of Secretary Udall.



           The parties to this conference are the representa-



tives of the State and interstate agencies and the United



States Department of the Interior.  Participation in the



conference will be open to representatives and invitees of



these agencies and such persons as inform me that they wish



to present statements.  However, only the representatives of



New  York, New Jersey, the Interstate Sanitation  Commission,



and  the United States Department of the  Interior constitute




the  conferees.



           Both the State and  Federal governments have



responsibilities in dealing with water pollution control



problems.  The Federal Water  Pollution Control Act declares



that the States have primary  rights and  responsibilities  for



taking action to abate and control pollution.  Consistent



with this, we are  charged by  law  to encourage the States  in




these activities.



           At the  same time,  the  Secretary of the  Interior



 is  charged by law  with specific responsibilities in the



 field of water pollution control  in  connection with pollution

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of interstate and navigable waters.  The Federal Water Pollu-



tion Control Act provides that pollution of interstate or



navigable waters, whether the matter causing or contributing



to the pollution is discharged directly into such waters, or



reaches such waters after discharge into a tributary of such



waters, is subject to abatement.



           We will have a transcript made of the conference



by Mr. Zimmer.



           Now a word about the procedures governing the



conference.



           All participants should come up to the lectern



and should make themselves known as to name and identifica-



tion for purposes of the record.



           As in the past, we will make transcripts of the



record available to the States and interstate agency for



distribution.  Mr. Ziramer is making a verbatim transcript of



this conference.  He is a private reporter who has received



a contract from us as the low bidder.  We generally make these



transcripts available in about four months.  If you feel you want



it earlier, get in touch with Mr. Zimmer, and I am sure his rate



to you will be as reasonable as it is to us.



           At this point, I would like to call on someone whom



I would like to refer to as my former boss, Under Secretary of



the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare,




1953-195^, and -a long

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                  Hon. N. D. Rockefeller
fighter for water pollution control, the Governor of New


York, Mr. Rockefeller.


           (Applause.)





           STATEMENT OP THE HONORABLE NELSON D.


           ROCKEFELLER, GOVERNOR OP THE STATE OF


                         NEW YORK





           GOVERNOR ROCKEFELLER:  Mr. Stein, Distinguished


Officials and Ladies and Gentlemen:


           I appreciate tremendously this opportunity of


joining again with Mr. Stein, as we did two years ago, and


having an opportunity to make a. report on the progress that


has taken place in relation to this important problem of


pollution control of the Hudson River.


           I have a prepared statement, which is available,


and, if I may, Mr. Chairman, I would prefer just to speak


informally for a few minutes and show four or five slides


which I think probably would tell the story better.


           MR. STEIN:  For the purpose of the record, may we


put your entire statement in as if read?


           GOVERNOR ROCKEFELLER:  Please do.


           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



           GOVERNOR ROCKEFELLER:  Thank you.



           The meeting that was held two years ago followed



the legislative session that spring in New York at which I



had proposed the Pure Waters Program.



           This program received the almost unanimous support



of both houses and of both parties, so the efforts here in



New York State have been a bipartisan effort to restore the



waters of our lakes, rivers, streams and oceanfront for the



use of the people.



           We are deeply grateful to the Federal Government



for their long-time interest, for their active participation



in focusing public attention on these problems through the



holding of these hearings, and for the cooperation both of



the Administration and of Congress in working with us on the



legislative aspects of our problems.



           New York State, as you will remember, was faced



with a very serious large-scale problem which was beyond the



capacity of local government from a fiscal point of view,



which was really beyond the rate at which the Federal



assistance was being made available, and, particularly, in



view of the formula which did not help the large industrial



States where pollution has persisted into being, so that the



State action taken by the New York State Legislature was



designed to accomplish two things:

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                Hon. N. D. Rockefeller

           1.  To provide the funds for local government

that were essential if they were going to meet the problem;

and

           2.  To prefinance Federal assistance so that we

could move with speed for the purpose of getting our waters

restored to their original state, or close to it, and also to

avoid the rapidly increasing costs in construction.

           I think it is fair to say these costs are going

up at the rate of 5 percent a year now.  This represents, on

the basis of compound interest, a doubling of cost every 10

years, which is a very serious problem, particularly when New
           »
York State's estimated costs for pollution control by

municipalities and governmental 'units throughout the State

were a total of $1,700,000,000, so that if we waited ten

years, it would easily have gone over $3,000,000,000.  Then

the next ten years it would have been over $6,000,000,000 so the

situation was getting away from us.

           Perhaps the most gratifying thing about the

program was the billion dollar bond issue which was authorized

by the legislature to assist local governments, along with

a very strict control legislation, which gave us the power

of enforcement.

           This bond issue was approved four to one by the

voters of the State, evidencing the extraordinary interest

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



ani concern on the part of the people of this State and their



willingness tp pay to get the Job done, so that I think the



voters have spoken in a way that is very significant, not



only for pur State, but, I am sure, this has greater real



implication nationwide.



           The billion dollar bond issue was designed so that



$500,000,000 would be available as an outright grant to local



communities from the State, representing 30 percent of the



cost.  The other 50 percent of the bond issue, another



$500,000,000, was to prefinance the 30 percent Federal aid.



           The legislators and the voters of the State acted



on this concept prior tp the approval of the concept by



Congress, which was an evidence of faith on the part of the



voters and of the legislators.



           I cannot say enough for the support of the



Administration and of the Congress in making it possible for



New York State to get the credit later through subsequent



allocations of funds for moneys we had spent on their behalf.



           I think this really is the key to the program.  I



have been meeting with various other governors who have been



talking to us here about the possibility of following a



similar course.  This course makes it possible for the State



to move rapidly with local governments through enforcement



procedures, and then to advance the money, and then, over a

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                Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



period of years, depending on the funding by the Congress,



to get this money back over 25 years, or 50 years, or what-



ever it happens to be.



           I was asked by the Chairman of the committee in



the House to testify because of the reduction in the amounts



requested by the Administration for this year's alloca".?on.



I think it was $650,000,000 or $600,000,000, and the Congress



reduced it to $200,000,000.



           Now, that is very serious for the communities



which are dependent on Federal aid in proceeding with their



programs.  If they have the programs in the works and the



aid is cut so that they do not get 30 percent, or whatever the



formula provides, then they find themselves in a very difficult



position.  The project is held up.  If there isn't any



financing, it can be tremendously expensive and very em-



barrassing.




           However, with the prefinancing provision, while



we like to get the funds as rapidly as possible, the State



can proceed and sell our bonds, and then, over a period of



years, get the funds back.



           I would like now to just briefly depict the situa-




tion in the Hudson River known as the Lower Hudson River,



from Albany south.  That is the principal portion of that



river.  I am not sure how the particular words "Lower Hudson"

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



 identify with  this session.



            First, I would like  to  show some slides, if you



 will  put the lights out.



            This chart  (indicating) shows the situation when



 you were here, Mr. Stein, the last time.  These were the



 principal  sources of pollution  of  the Hudson River, dumping



 some  700,000,000 gallons a day  of  pollution into the river



 at the points  indicated on this chart, from Rensselaer or from



 Albany south.



            I would like to show you next what has taken place



 since the  meeting as the result of the approval by the voters



 of the bond issue.



           The Public Works Department has held enforcement



 hearings with all of the polluters who were involved in this



 Hudson River area.  The principal  polluters amount to in the



 neighborhood of 100.  Of the 97.1  percent of the total number



 of cases,  96.5 percent have received stipulative orders so



 that  the corrective action will be taken.  These have been



 settled as a result of the hearings.



           In addition, 2.9 percent agreed voluntarily to



proceed.



           There are adversary  orders out for 0.1 percent,



and 0.5 percent cases are pending, which will be cleared up



 in short order.

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                Hon. N. D. Rockefeller

           So that, as far as legal action by the State is

concerned, the action has been completed with this small

percentage of 0.5 percent, or one-half of one percent, which

will be completed in the not too distant future, so that the

legal action has been taken, and we now move to the effective

action as far as the actual building of sewage disposal

plants by the pollution communities.

           The next chart I would like to show you has

the dates at which these sources of pollution will be corrected

through the development of the sewage disposal plants, and

there is an overlay for each one.  The first is 1966-67* where

five units have been completed; 1968, there are a considerable

number more in the Lower Hudson here or down in Rockland and

Westchester Counties, the Bronx and Kings County; 1969, the red

dots show those that will come in that year, and then 1970,

1971, and 1972 is the final year for completion of the

cleaning up of all the pollution sources of the Hudson River,

and the orders, except for half of one percent already have

been agreed to and settled.

           Now let us go to the question of the quantities

involved.  I mentioned 757,000,000 gallons a day of pollution

when we met here before.

           Already today, 19673 the total commitments by

State and local government, with Federal assistance, coming

to $407,000,000, have been submitted, and the pollution has

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller




 been reduced to 447,000,000 gallons per day.




            This is importantly affected by the Newtown Creek



 project here in New York, in the Bronx, which is the largest




 project in the country, which was started in the Wagner



 administration in 1960, and which came into full operation




 a month or so ago, and which is also the biggest single step



 that has taken place.



            The State has participated in that, in the construc-



 tion which was still under way from the date the bond issue




 went into effect, and we will invest a total of about



 $38,000,000 in that project, which is a very expensive project.



            In the next two years, 1968 and 1969, we are




 getting into large plants which as yet have not advanced




 sufficiently so that they will come on line and therefore be



 effective, so the reduction for the next two years  is rela-




 tively small, and we go down to 418,000,000 gallons,  409,000,000



 gallons, with smaller investment, and then,  starting in




 1970,  we have the two large years as the big plants come



 into effect that  are now being put in the works, and  the




 reduction in 1970 will be 292,000,000 gallons with  the ex-




 penditure of $148,000,000 that year;  in the next year It will




 be  reduced  to 270, with an investment of $29,000,000; and



 then the final  year,  1972,  is  when the remaining big  projects




will come on line with a total investment of  $355,000,000,

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



bringing down pollution from all of these sources to zero.



           Of course, this does not include New Jersey.  I



understand that Governor Hughes released a statement yester-



day indicating a schedule which is being worked on by New



Jersey, but I think that we ought to point out that New Jer-



sey's pollution related to New York's has been relatively



small, about 30,000,000 gallons a day, so that in relation to



what we have been doing, this is relatively minor, but I do



think again to this sophisticated audience I hardly need to



mention it, but the tides do distribute whatever is dumped



into the Lower Bay as far upstream as Poughkeepsie on the in-



flowing tides, so that it is an important matter to the use



of the Hudson River.



           I would now like to just go into a review of the



financing, which I think further indicates the importance of



the method which is being used here to permit action rapidly.



           This (indicating) shows the total financing of



projects which come to a little bit over $1,000,000,000 for



the cleaning up of the lower Hudson River, as has been



described from Albany south.



           Of this financing, the red indicates the portion



which the State has given as an outright grant, or will have,



when 1972 is reached, which represents 30 percent.



           The blue represents the money we are advancing

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



against future State payments.  That total of our State out-



right grant and the advance of Federal funds comes to



$584,000,000.



           The next column, the light green, shows the 40



percent being financed by  local government, with a total of



$402,000,000.



           Then this small black line indicates what we



anticipate, on the basis of present Congressional appropria-



tions, to be the  Federal share, which is $17,000,000, or



1.76 percent of the total  cost.



           I think if Congress needs a dramatic illustration



as to why more funds are needed from the Federal Government



to get these projects in the works, this chart will be



pretty useful, because, frankly, if it were not for this pre-



financing and the leadership taken by the State in getting the



job done, we would not be  able to get off the ground if we



depended on the Federal money.



           I recognize all the problems Congress is faced



with, and I recognize the  President has recommended larger



sums.  This is not stated  critically; this is simply stated



analytically; but I think  that from the point of view of the



citizens of the State, that there is a role that the State



should take, that funding  through bonds is a very convenient



and a very effective way of getting the job done and permits

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



action now, which in the long run is very much in the



interest  of the citizens, because it is a lot cheaper, even



paying whatever interest is involved in these bonds, than



spreading it out over the next thirty years, and then finding



yourself faced with these fantastic costs which are ahead



of us.



           I would now like to show you two other programs



we have.  These (indicating) are some of the plans that are



being developed by municipalities along the Hudson for




marinas, which shows that our citizens and communities are



already anticipating 1972 and are making their plans for the



use of the waterfront.



           This is a master plan from the capital city of



Albany for the use of the Hudson there, and for those of you



who have ever been to Albany, this is quite a change



(Laughter).



           I would like to show you another marina.  This



(indicating) is a proposed marina that Poughkeepsie is



working on, but I think it gives a little feel of the tre-



mendous potential for development, for enjoyment, for use of



the river which will be restored as a result of this program.



           I would like to say, Mr. Stein, that your presence



here, your calling of this second conference, is deeply



appreciated by the State.

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller



           The tremendous drive which you and your associates



have put into this program has been a source of stimulus, of



interest, and a focus of public attention to help those of us




on the lower level get the job done.



           We thank you very much indeed.



           MR. STEIN:  Well, thank you, Governor, very much.




           (Applause.)



           (The following is the statement submitted by



the Honorable Nelson D. Rockefeller:)




                   REVISED COPY



                                 P.M., WEDNESDAY




                                 SEPTEMBER 20, 196?



           EXCERPTS OP REMARKS BY GOVERNOR ROCKEFELLER



           PREPARED FOR DELIVERY BEFORE THE U. S. DE-




           PARTMENT OF INTERIOR   HUDSON RIVER CONFER-




           ENCE, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, 1967, 9:30



           A.M., STATLER HILTON HOTEL, NEW YORK CITY.



           In December 1964, I announced the Pure Waters




Program and subsequently in 1965 I proposed to the New York



State Legislature a comprehensive program to eliminate the



pollution of the lakes, rivers, streams, and oceanfronts in




New York State in six years.



           The Legislature passed the plan almost unanimously




in both houses and six months later the voters endorsed the

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller
$1,000,000,000 Pure Waters Bond issue by an overwhelming
4-1 vote.
           At that time, not one of the 28 major polluters
between the Troy locks and the Brooklyn estuary had a com-
pletely effective sewage treatment program.
           Almost all of the approximately 80 smaller
polluters along this stretch of water were discharging raw
sewage and untreated industrial wastes into the Hudson.
           Altogether, 757,000,000 gallons of raw and inade-
quately treated sewage were polluting this river every day.
           The majestic river that Hendrik Hudson exulted
over was rapidly becoming an open sewer.
           That, very briefly, was the situation in September
of 1965.
           Since that date, we have achieved dramatic progress
under the New York State Pure Waters program, using both a
carrot and a stick.
           The carrot we hold before our communities is State
aid for the construction of sewage treatment facilities.
           The State pays 30 percent, prefinances a Federal
share of 30 percent, and only the remaining 40 percent is borne
by the municipality.
           We also created a Pure Waters Authority which, at
a community's request, will make loans for the construction

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                                                     24
                    Hon.  N.  D.  Rockefeller
 of sewage treatment systems, help to plan these  systems  and
 even contract to build and  operate the plants  for  the
 community.
            The stick has been  streamlined enforcement
 machinery that requires  every  polluter to plan,  finance, build
 and operate sewage treatment facilities by a specified date.
            These facilities must  meet established  State
 standards for water quality.
            Between the carrot  and the stick, we  have moved
 swiftly.
            Within two years, 99-5 percent of the New York
 State polluters along the Hudson  from Troy to  New  York City
 have been brought under  order  or  have agreed to  a  construction
 timetable with the result that by 1972 all pollution of  the
 Hudson River from New York  State  sources  will  have been  ter-
 minated .
            The conclusions  and recommendations of  the  first
 conference on the Hudson made  note of the fact that  the  clean-
up of the  river was  a task  that was to be shared by  the  States
of New York and New  Jersey, the Interstate Sanitation  Commis-
sion, and the  Federal  Government.
            I would like  to  commend the cooperating govern-
mental agencies for  their work since  then.

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                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller
           Several months ago, for instance, the Federal
arsenal at Watervliet began construction of a facility that
will treat 150,000 gallons of waste a day.
           However, there are unresolved problems in Federal
financing.
           Federal water pollution control legislation has
established the Federal share of sewage plant construction
aid at a minimum of 30 percent.
           A maximum of 55 percent can be given, if certain
conditions are met.
           Projects in New York State will meet all these
conditions, and thus be eligible for the  full 55 percent
Federal grant, plus the 30 percent State  grant.
           Unfortunately, the Federal program has not been
funded at a level that will provide even  a small fraction of
the full 55 percent Federal aid.
           The facts are that under existing trends New York
State will be spending nearly $600 million to clean up New
York sources of pollution, the local government about $400
million and the Federal Government less than $20 million.
           Although the U. S. Clean Waters Restoration Act
of 1966 authorizes $4-50,000,000 for this  purpose in the 1968
fiscal year, the proposed Federal budget  would actually
appropriate less than half of this amount — about $200,000,000,
           Let me make clear to you that  the antipollution

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                                                     26
                   Hon. N. D. Rockefeller
schedule for the Lower Hudson that New York State has adopted
will be met — regardless of what funding action the Federal
Government takes
           Nonetheless, the supporting level of the proposed
Federal appropriation for fiscal 1968 makes it apparent that
the Federal Government will be providing less than 2 percent
as opposed to a full 55 percent Federal share of project
costs.
           New York State will terminate all its sources of
pollution of the Hudson by 1972.
           It is essential that New Jersey take prompt
action on a scale and schedule similar to New York's.
           The States of New Jersey and New York and the
Federal Government must each do its share to meet the prob-
lems confronting them.

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5173,987,601
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511,877,325
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           MR. STEIN:  Whenever we speak of a Federal-State
program or a State-Federal program and its being creative,
I think we should be talking about creativeness as being in
the States.  In New York we certainly have it.
           We have an audience of experts here, and I think
you have Just heard one of the most sophisticated talks by a
governor of a State that you will probably ever hear, who
has really mastered the situation.
           As the Governor pointed out, I think the evidence
here is very, very true.  What he says is true*  One large
midwestern city which was fooling around with State auditors
found that in a little less than ten years, frankly, it had
a bill which cost double what it would have otherwise.  This
was in about ten years.  So you can see the issue is to not
delay but really do it now.
           There are three essential points, and the Governor
really brought them out.  The first is to do the prerequisite
legal action; the second is to handle the financing; and the
third is to keep your eye on the cleanup of pollution.  These
are the three key points we have before us.
           The Governor has stated that to handle the  first,
it takes appropriate legislation and when I grew up what we
called "intestinal fortitude."  I think we now call it
"guts."   That point is demonstrated in New York.  Your

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program has  it.   The  financing took a little  push and



imagination.   With both of these working,  I  am sure we are



going to  see a cleanup  of pollution.



           This  program in New York State has added impetus



to  the other programs throughout the country.



           For ourselves, one of the dreams we have had has



been a State-Federal  program.  As I pointed out before you



came in,  Governor, as far as I can  see,  in  the areas in which



we  are working here we  practically, in water  pollution



control,  are working  as one staff with the  people in the



States.   We  do not see  any difference.  We  all have the



vagaries  of  our  legislatures, and I suppose we have to over-



come such things.



           There is another first which  I don't believe has



been highlighted. We have had several technical committees



in  other  than the Hudson area, where we  have  had a Federal




responsibility.   For  the first time,  in  dealing with the New



York State people, we have been able, and with full confi-



dence, to have a State  employee as  the chairman of the com-



mittee, although this is really a Federal responsibility.



If the report  didn't  pan out or work out, the Federal



Government would  nevertheless have  been  responsible for It.



This indeed shows how far we may

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have come in this area of State-Federal relationships.



           I know the Governor has many commitments and may



want to leave, and I know what happens when he does leave,



as we have had this before.



           We will recess for ten minutes,  because for the



next ten minutes the most interesting part of the day will



probably be going on outside of this room.



           Thank you very much for coming, Governor.



           (Whereupon a recess was had.)



           MR. STEIN:  May we reconvene?



           Before we go on, I should indicate that all the



charts you have will be reproduced in black and white.  I



know we get some pretty colored charts.  If anyone uses a



chart or any diagram and refers to it, try not to refer to



colors, because when someone reads the transcript, it won't



have too much meaning.



           At this point we would like to call on Mr. Emil



Prankel, who is representing Senator Jacob Javits.








           STATEMENT OF EMIL FRANKEL, ON BEHALF OF



           THE HONORABLE JACOB K. JAVITS, UNITED



           STATES SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK








           MR. FRANKEL:  Mr. Stein, distinguished Conferees,

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                      E.  Prankel



and Guests:



            I want to thank you for this opportunity to



appear here to speak on behalf of Senator Jacob Javits  of



New York.



            The Senator,  as you all know, has been for a long



time  deeply interested and concerned about the problem  and



the challenge of water pollution and pollution abatement in



the Hudson River.



            The Hudson, of course, is the overwhelming environ-



mental feature of New York State, a portion of New Jersey,



and certainly is one of the largest metropolitan areas,  or is



the largest metropolitan area in the country.



            The Hudson can be and has been a source of many



great problems, but it also holds out a tremendous promise.



It holds out the promise of a very rich commercial recreational



and esthetic contribution to this area of the country.



            Senator Javits has been deeply impressed by  the



initiative  shown by the  States,  and is very proud of the



initiative  shown by his  own State of New York, and he is con-



cerned that  the Federal  Government now meet its promises to



the States and  to local  agencies in this area of water  pollu-



tion abatement.



           It is  time  now for the Federal Government to make



good on the  promises which were  implicit in the authorizing

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legislation, more particularly most recently the Federal
Water Pollution Control Act.
           As you know, there is now pending in the Senate ap-
propriations  for water pollution abatement.  It is the
opinion of Senator Javits that this appropriation is not
adequate, and he regards it the obligation of Congress to make
this appropriation adequate.
           Accordingly, Senator Javits, a few days ago, sent
a letter to all the members of the Senate Appropriations
Subcommittee on Public Works, and I am going to read some
excerpts from that letter.  I think that will probably be
the best thing to give you some indication of his feeling
about this appropriation.
           "Appropriations recently passed by the House
      of Representatives for the construction of treat-
      ment facilities under the 1966 Clean Waters
      Restoration Act and earlier related laws are
      clearly inadequate to meet the urgent and growing
      problem of water pollution.
           "Approximately $^50,000,000 was authorized
      under the various water pollution programs.  The
      Administration requested an appropriation of
      $200,000,000,"
which is the figure that was approved by the House of

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Representatives,  and the figure is now pending before the
Senate Appropriations Committee.
            "I believe that the Senate needs substantially
       to increase this appropriation for water treatment
       facilities.    The gravity of this problem demands
       a more adequate response on the part of the
       Congress, a response that cannot be further delayed.
            "In particular, it must be emphasized that an
       appropriation of the present size would be grossly
       unfair to those States which have  in good faith
       undertaken programs of pollution abatement.   The
       State of New York has Just initiated a pollution
       abatement program of enormous proportions.  Recently,
       calculations indicate that New York would be en-
       titled to $575j000,000 based on maximum Federal
       participation under existing legislation.  However,
       New York's  share of the proposed $200,000,000 passed
       by the House of Representatives would be less than
       $20,000,000.
            "Such  an appropriation will increase tremendously
       New York's  responsibility for prefinancing the
       Federal  share."
Which  I believe Governor  Rockefeller so clearly pointed out
and was so graphically displayed by the charts he showed.

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           "The effect of the passage of the present
      appropriation without increase can only be to cause
      a slowdown of pollution abatement efforts on the
      State and local levels.
           "Water pollution is a critical problem, a
      problem which requires an expensive answer.  Many
      States, including my own of New York, have shown the
      determination to do their share.  I believe the
      Federal Government must now show its willingness to
      assume some of the burden.
           "I know of no way in which the Congress can more
      effectively illustrate that determination than by
      increasing the appropriation for water pollution
      abatement facilities contained in the bill pending
      before you."
           Senator Javits intends to fight as hard as he can
for an increase in this appropriation for a determination to
make sure that the Federal Government and the Congress meet
its share of the tremendous burden of pollution abatement of
the Hudson River and other rivers and waters in New York and
this area of the country.
           I can assure you of his continuing effort and his
continuing determination to be of assistance to all of you
in your efforts.

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            Thank you very much.



            MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



            Now may we hear from Mr. Robert Green, the



 representative of Senator Robert P. Kennedy?








            STATEMENT OP ROBERT GREEN ON BEHALF OP THE



            HONORABLE ROBERT F. KENNEDY, UNITED STATES



                 SENATOR PROM THE STATE OP NEW YORK








            MR. GREEN:  Mr. Stein, Conferees, Ladies and



 Gentlemen:



            Let me first express Senator Kennedy's regrets and



 apologies for not being here.  He had fully intended to come,



 and it was not until early this morning that he found he had



 to be on the Floor of the Senate today for a vote.



            I was asked at the last minute to read this to you



 so that you would have the benefit  of his thoughts.



            I will now, if I may,  read you his statement.



            More  than 370 years ago this month,  Henry Hudson



and his  crew sailed  his  ship the  Half Moon through the Narrows



and up the  Hudson River  to Albany.   Hudson's first mate,



Robert Juet,  wrote in  his  log,  "This is a very  good land to



fall with and a pleasant land  to  see."   Standing off what is



now Riverside Drive,  "they brought  (a)  great store  of very

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good oysters aboard," something that has not been done since



at least 1921, when the shellfish areas of the Hudson up to



Tarrytown were condemned.



           Hudson continued up the river as far as Albany,



commenting on the abundance of fish, fir, timberland, culti-



vatable land, game and fruit.  The Hudson River Valley was



rich beyond comparison.



           Today, the Hudson River is still rich beyond



comparison.  More than 12.3 million people now live on its



banks.  The sinews of industry are found in the New York



Metropolitan area, on the Jersey shore, and in the cities



that stretch along its banks.  Great centers of learning such



as Columbia University, Vassar College, and branches of the



State University of New York are within sight of its waters.



And hundreds of parks and recreation facilities — Riverside.



Park, Port Washington Park, Palisades  Interstate Park and



Nyack Beach Park -- are located on  its banks and provide



recreation for its cities and towns.   Hudson and Juet would



surely be awed by these changes.



           One change they would not welcome and would be



unable to explain or understand is  the contamination of the



water in the  river.  Instead of being  greeted by the sweet



smell drifting out from the land, they would smell the un-



treated sewage from millions of people that is discharged

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into the Hudson.  They would find few  fish and fewer  shell-
fish as they mounted the  river.  For industrial civiliza-
tion as we know it has taken its toll  of  our waterways.
           Two years ago, at the First Conference on  the
Pollution of the Hudson,  I described the  Hudson River as an
open sewer.  That description, unfortunately, still stands,
even though we agreed at  the first  session of this conference
on  certain solutions that should be instituted according to
a schedule.  Both New York State and New  Jersey agreed  that
all municipalities and industries would provide secondary
treatment for their wastes.  And they  agreed that they  would
start  construction of their treatment  facilities by July 1,
1967 — two months ago.   At this time  I would like to review
the progress that we have made in meeting this schedule.
           Since ihe first session  of  this conference major
new State and Federal Water Pollution  Assistance Programs
have been enacted.  The  citizens of New York ratified the
Clean Waters Bond Amendment authorizing the expenditure of
$1.7 billion for the construction of water pollution  treatment
facilities.  Under this program, New York will pay 30 percent
of the cost of constructing new facilities.  New Jersey might
take notice.
           And since the  first session, Congress has  passed
a strengthened Water Pollution Control  Program that will

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                       R. Green



provide $6 billion to States for the construction of water



pollution treatment facilities.  Under this program, the



Federal Government can provide up to 55 percent of the cost



of new treatment facilities.  Both of these programs are



designed to reduce the high cost of pollution control to



municipalities struggling with this problem — local communi-



ties in New York will only have to pay 15 percent of the cost



of new treatment facilities.



           But despite the great strides made in State and



Federal assistance, the timetable established at the first



conference is not being met.  The new treatment facilities



agreed upon two years ago were not all under construction by



July 1 of this year, and the date when the river will again



be usable for recreation and other purposes has been post-



poned accordingly.



           A number of cities — Newburgh, Poughkeepsie, and



Peekskill — have filed construction plans with the State



Department of Health, but they have not yet begun construction,



Others, such as Bayonne, Hoboken and North Bergen, have taken



the intermediate steps of installing chlorination devices,



a useful step, but one which is inadequate for the long run.



Still other areas, such as the Passaic Valley Sewage Commis-



sion, have filed statements of their intent to comply with



the standard, but have not begun to comply in any respect as

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                        R.  Green



of yet.



            Similarly,  a number of industrial plants have



taken steps to insure  that their wastes  receive the necessary



secondary treatment.   For  example,  the American Pelt Company



at New Windsor, New York,  employs 425 people, and discharges



the  color from its fabric  processing and human wastes into



the  Hudson.  It has made an arrangement  with the New Windsor



Municipal Plant to have these wastes treated.  And the



Chevrolet Division of  General Motors at  Tarrytown will send



its  wastes to the Tarrytown Municipal Treatment Plant.



            But other plants have not yet made provisions to



treat their pollution.  Their discharges continue to foul



the  waters of the Hudson.   Clearly,  then, the response of our



cities and some of our industry has  not  been adequate.  The



political leaders,  the business and  industrial leaders, and



the  interested citizens of communities bordering on the



Hudson must now show that  they can meet  the  challenge of 20th



Century  life — I urge them to do so.



            No single city  has a greater  impact on pollution



in the Hudson than  New York.   The wastes of  more than 1.5



million people  on Manhattan's West Side  now  pass directly



into the Hudson —  a solution acceptable in  the 19th Century,



but not today.  New York City has agreed to  provide treatment



facilities  that will handle  310 million  gallons of waste

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coming from downtown Manhattan, the Lower East Side, and



Brooklyn.  The opening of the plant is a major step in



cleaning up the Hudson and New York Harbor — it is tangible



proof of our resolve to get the job done.



           Unfortunately, New York City is not as far along



with its plans to treat wastes from Upper Manhattan am.  -he



Bronx.  New York has designed a North River plant to be



located on the East Shore of the Hudson at l45th Street.  This



plant is designed to process 220 million gallons of wastes per



day, the product of over one million people.  It will cost a



total of $198 million to construct this plant and its inter-



ceptor sewer.  But it will not provide secondary treatment —



only intermediate treatment.  The design now calls for the



removal of only 60 to 65 percent of the wastes.  The commonly



accepted standard for secondary treatment is 90 to 95 percent.



           Even more disturbing is the fact that the proposed



North River plant is not designed to facilitate further ex-



pansion so that the prescribed level of treatment can be



reached at a later date.  Instead, New York City is redefining



the secondary treatment level previously recommended by this



conference as removal of 60 to 65 percent of the wastes It



processes.  If this standard were applied to all communities



along the Hudson, we would have to deal with the equivalent of



raw wastes of 5 million people rather than half a million

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                        R.  Green
people.   This is not an acceptable solution.
            I therefore recommend that New York State and  the
Federal  Water Pollution Control Administration reject New York
 City's plan for the North River plant and work with the city
 in developing alternatives.
            Perhaps the design of the proposed  plan can be
 changed, and several decks added so that a second  stage of
 construction would raise the level to the required 90 percent.
 Or perhaps two plants are needed, one at l45th Street and one
 at the  railroad yard at 65th Street or elsewhere>   If design
 problems are believed to be especially difficult or time-
 consuming, engineering assistance can be provided  by the
 Federal  Government.  The main point is that we need secondary
 treatment for Manhattan's  West Side,  and there are ways in
which it can be provided.
            The difficulties  which have arisen  in New York are
mirrored in New Jersey.  The Passaic Valley Sewage Commission,
serving  a population of 1  million,  is still in the process of
developing primary treatment facilities for the wastes in its
area.  And New Jersey's  water quality standards for the
Hudson and Raritan Rivers  have yet  to be approved  by the
Federal Water  Pollution  Control Administration —  a step
necessary  in order to  qualify for 55  percent instead of 30
percent Federal  assistance.

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           Nor is the Federal Government without fault in



regard to the present situation.



           The biggest problem is that of appropriations



for the Federal Water Pollution Control Program.  Although



last year's water pollution control bill authorized a total



of $6 billion over five years, this year's proposed budget



is short of the authorized total by almost half.  The Executive



Budget contained a total of $250 million against an authorized



total of $450 million and the House committee has accepted



this level.  I do not think we can afford to be short-changed



in this manner.  Local plans are based on the level of Federal



assistance authorized last year.  Municipalities and States



have been called upon to take action and many of them have



responded.  I think it is only fair that the Federal Govern-



ment live up to its share of the bargain.



           Another problem on which I believe the Federal



Government should take action is that of the construction of



collection sewers.  Current Federal and State assistance



grants cover part of the cost of interceptor sewers and



treatment plants.  But the cost of collection sewers — the



capillaries of a sewage system — as opposed to the arterial



interceptor sewers are borne almost solely by the local



community.  And collection sewers often cost 50 percent of a



total system — a heavy load for a community to bear.  The

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                       R.  Green



Department  of Housing and  Urban Development  does have a



small program under which  it  can pay up  to half of the cost



of a collection  sewer system, but  there  is a backlog of over



$1 billion  in applications for this  assistance.



            This  situation  has a direct effect on the Hudson.



Rockland  County  has designed  a comprehensive sewage treatment



plan by which secondary  treatment  will be provided.  A local



bond issue  has been passed, and a  treatment  plant has been



started.  But while two  communities  in the county have been



designated  for Federal assistance  to help construction collec-



tion sewers, another, Stoney  Point,  has  not, and probably will



not be  in the future because  of the  shortage of Federal funds.



This situation is  unfair.   It is one we  can  correct by either



appropriating more funds for  HUD or  by transferring the



program to  the Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration,



so that other funds will be available.



            In assessing  the results  of the first session of



the conference,  I  think  it is fair to say that we have made



progress  since we  first  concentrated on  the  Hudson River in



September 1965.  We have established our goals and we are



beginning to take  the necessary steps to realize them.  Now



that we meet again, let  us remind  ourselves  of the importance



of the task.  Perhaps our most important goal is to improve



recreation along the river and related ocean beaches.

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           The last beaches along the Hudson were closed


before the Second World War, and the Atlantic beaches of


Staten Island and Brooklyn are partially polluted by wastes


from the Hudson.  Those who boat on the Hudson and those


attracted to its banks from the hot streets of Manhattan or


Jersey City find a sewer.  We have vowed to change that and


we will change it by the early 1970's.  Our standards of


civilization demand nothing less.


           The struggle to clean up the Hudson is an example


to other communities plagued by pollution on rivers and lakes


throughout the country.  These communities want proof that


inadequate standards of pollution control can be workably


replaced with standards in keeping with our modern urban


society.  We can give them that proof here on the Hudson.  Let


us again make this waterway the path of opportunity.


           Thank you.


           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Green.


           Are there any comments or questions?


           MR. METZLER:  Mr. Chairman, I recognize that he has


just read the statement and that Senator Kennedy was not able


to be here today.


           I wonder, however, if I might supplement the state-


ment and then ask two or three questions, which I hope you
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might want to transmit to the Senator.

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           First, did I understand that Senator Kennedy

supports the funding of the full authorization under the 1966

Clean Waters Act as requested by the Governor and announced

in Senator Javits' letter, if you will?

           MR. GREEN:  I wish I could give you an answer to

some of these questions.  What I will do, if I may, is take
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these questions down and take them up with the Senator right

after this.

           I am sure I can give them to him some time during

the day, and try  to get back to you with these answers.

           MR. METZLER:  It would be very helpful.

           I hope you won't mind my asking this next question.

It is not intended to be critical, but merely because the

Federal funding is such a major problem, I think it is impor-

tant that we all  operate from the same basic figures.

           The way I read the Water Pollution Control Act of

1966, there is quite a difference between the $6 billion

which he says is  authorized over a five-year period and that

in the Act.  I believe the amount in the Act is $3-1/2 billion

rather than $6 billion, and I would suggest, at least recalling

the Senate's version, which certainly is better than the two

bills from the standpoint of New York State in its construc-

tion grants, but I believe that figure is $3-1/2 billion

instead of $6 billion.

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                       R. Green



           Thirdly, I would be interested in the availability



of this engineering assistance from the Federal Government,



because certainly one of the great shortages in getting a



big program like this moving is an adequate amount of



engineers.



           The New York State Pure Waters Program, since the



1st of May, has added, on the basis of a nationwide recruiting



effort, 43  new engineers, but still we do not have what we



need.



           I doubt if there are enough engineers or con-



sultants in the City of Hew York or elsewhere to move as fast



as we would like, so if there is assistance from the Federal



Government, I would appreciate some further details on this a



little later.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Are there any other comments.or



questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  With both Senators from New York, we



have always had strong supporters of this program.  Both



Senators have been very, very familiar with it.



           I know Senator Kennedy in the past has been to



numerous conferences of this kind, and has assiduously, as

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                       R. Green
far as I can see, done his homework, as have the Governor
and Senator Javits.  They are all  very sophisticated  in this
area.
           I do  think that  money  question of yours has been
kind of taken  care of.  We can all agree  that $3-1/2  billion
was the figure,  and  not 6.   Six  was the figure proposed by
the Senate committee and by  the  Senate as being the amount
needed to  do the job, and that was changed.
           Dr. Handle?
           DR. KANDLE:  I would  just like to have the record
show that  with regard to the matter of New Jersey's approval,
the New Jersey plan  I think  is one that is going through the
bureaucratic mill.
           We  are in no substantial difference with the
Federal agency,  but  much more important is this matter of
money, the implication being that  it might make a difference
if we were eligible  for 55 percent; but the fact of the matter
is that this year we may get 5-6 million  dollars of Federal
aid against $60  million, so  when you distribute that  around,
I don't see what difference  it makes whether it is 33 or 55.
It only makes  a  difference whether one or two people  get more
money, but from  an overall point of view, the fact of the
matter is that the Federal help  is of  the order of $5.6
million out of 60 million, which the people are putting up

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under bond issue, less what the State is contributing, which
in our State is, we think, a substantial contribution.
           MR. STEIN:  You know, I think the Governor and
both Senators all agreed on one point, and that was the
financing) but I wonder with relation to the financing, and
particularly the Federal contribution to the financing, if we
often lose sight of who the Congress is, just thinking that
the Congress is something back in Washington.
           I remember once dealing with an old professional in
this business, whom Dwight will remember very well, Milt
Adams in Michigan.  In the early days we were talking about
bringing a Federal lawsuit or his bringing a lawsuit against
us, because Milt and Nick Olds, the Assistant Attorney General
who handled this, loved to litigate and always litigated.
Milt said, "You know, we don't have to litigate this.  We
have seventeen Congressmen and two Senators from Michigan,
and," he said, "as long as we have those people in Washington,
I think we can resolve the issue with the Federal Government."
           When you begin talking in terms of the Congress,
and who is the Congress or where do they come from, if you
start adding up the New York and New Jersey delegations and
then relate that to the availability of Federal funds, I
think you are talking about one and the same people.
           DR. KANDLE:  One more comment, Mr. Chairman, if

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 I may.




            I agree, of course, with what Chairman Murray



 Stein says, but I think, Murray^ that the propaganda mill is



 a little bit different story, and I think the problem that we



 have is that the propaganda mill sounds like the Federal



 Government is  trying  to do a lot, whereas, in fact, they are



 not.



            MR. STEIN:  I don't know what group you are talking



 about in terms of  "the propaganda mill."  I will say, however,



 I think our program is doing a lot, although this seems to be



 contrary to public opinion.  At least some people seem to



 think that they see me too often.  The reason they see me is



 that on my desk all I get is material saying that we are not



 doing enough.  On the other hand, if anyone thinks as I do



 and is saying  we are doing a lot, I wish it would come to my



 attention.



            Thank you very much for these statements.



            With this, we will go on to the presentation of the



 States, the interstate agency and the Federal Government.  We



 will allow the conferees to manage their own time on this.



            First, we would like to call on Mr. Klashman for



 the Federal Government.  Mr. Klashman?




            MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Stein.  I would like



 to first call Mr. Paul De Falco, Deputy Regional Director for




the Federal Water Pollution  Control  Administration in the

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                       P. De Falco



Northeast Region.



           Mr. De Palco.







           STATEMENT OF PAUL DE PALCO, JR., DEPUTY



           REGIONAL DIRECTOR, NORTHEAST REGION,



           FEDERAL WATER POLLUTION CONTROL ADMINISTRA-



           TION, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, METUCHEN,



                         NEW JERSEY







           MR. DE FALCO:  Mr. Chairman, Conferees, Ladies



and Gentlemen:



           I am Paul De Falco, Jr., Deputy Regional Director



of the Northeast Region, Federal Water Pollution Control



Administration of the United States Department of the Interior.



           At the first session of the conference, held on



September 28, 29 and 30, 1965, the conferees recommended,



unanimously, that "all discharge sources to the Hudson River
                    *


and its tributaries, whether public, Federal installations,



or industrial, shall receive a minimum of secondary treatment



or its equivalent and effective disinfection of the effluents



as required to protect water uses," And the Federal conferee



recommended a time schedule for the remedial program, requiring



that designs for remedial facilities be completed by January



1, 1967, financing arrangements be completed by April 1,

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                       P. De Falco



construction started by July 1, 1967, construction be com-



pleted and plants placed into operation by January 1, 1970,



with commensurate schedules for the interception and treat-



ment of industrial wastes and wastes from Federal installa-



tions, with the proviso that existing schedules calling for



earlier completion dates were to be met.  Subsequently, the



Secretary of the Department of Health, Education, and



Welfare, approved the conference recommendations and requested



the conferees to "take appropriate action" under their water



pollution control programs and State local laws to assure that



the recommendations of the conference were carried out in



accordance with the timetable recommended by the Federal



conferee.



           Chi June 13  and 14 of this year a third session



of the Raritan Bay conference was convened.  In view of the



close interrelationship of the waters of the Hudson area and



the Raritan Bay area, I would like to summarize some of the



pertinent agreements reached at that conference:



     1.    Pollution of the interstate waters of Raritan



           Bay and adjacent waters is occurring due to the



           discharge of inadequately treated municipal and



           industrial wastes.



      2.    Considerable progress has been made toward



           abating this pollution problem.

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3.  Progress has not been more rapid because of the
    complexity of the discharges and the difficul-
    ties in dealing with controlling pollution in
    an estuarine system of waters such as exists
    in Raritan Bay.
4.  Still more has to be done to abate pollution of
    the Raritan Bay area, even though most wastes in
    the area are now receiving treatment.
5.  All wastes prior to discharge into waters covered
    by the conference, including the Raritan Bay,
    Arthur Kill, and the Raritan River System, shall
    be treated to a degree providing a minimum 80
    percent reduction of biochemical oxygen demand
    at all times, including any four-hour period of a
    day when the strength of the wastes to be treated
    might be expected to exceed average  conditions.
    It is recognized that this will require a design
    of an average removal of 90 percent of biochemical
    oxygen demand.
6.  Effective year-round effluent disinfection shall
    be provided at all municipal plants and all
    industrial plants with bacterial discharges.
7.  Industrial treatment facilities to accomplish such
    reductions shall provide removals at least the

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                       P. De Palco



           equivalent of those required for municipal



           treatment plants.



And lastly, a schedule for remedial action was agreed to with



all of the improvements to be in operation between 1967 and



1970, with the exception of the expansion of one plant which



will be  in operation in 1971 and one interceptor which will



be completed in 1972.



           Under the provisions of the Water Quality Act of



1965, the States of New York and New Jersey have submitted



to the Secretary of the Interior water quality standards for



the Hudson River and its tidal tributaries and a plan for the



implementation of this program.  The New York State submission



was made by letter of June 7, 1967, to the Secretary, with



supplemental material being submitted in the latter part of



June.  The standards were reviewed by the Federal Water



Pollution Control Administration and accepted by the Secretary



of the Interior on August 7, 1967.  The New Jersey submission



was received by the Regional Office in the latter part of



June and is currently under review by the Administration.



           I will refrain from reviewing the status of com-



pliance  with the provisions of the previous conference because



I presume the State representatives will cover this in their



presentations.  However, I would like to review the status of



the abatement program for Federal installations discharging

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into the conference area:

       1.  The Army Corps  of Engineers installation at

           Troy Lock and Dam has installed electric incinera-

           tion devices.

       2.  The Coast Guard installation at St.  George Base

           is to be vacated during July 1968.

       3.  The Coast Guard Robins Reef Lighthouse Station

           has been automated.

       4.  The Public Health Service, Staten Island Marine

           Hospital is scheduled to connect to an inter-

           ceptor to be built by New York City during 1970.

       5.  The Maritime Administration installation, Hudson

           Reserve Fleet,  is preparing to install chemical

           toilets for use aboard ships.

       6.  The Navy installation at the shipyard in Brooklyn

           has closed a major portion of the base, with the

           east portion now going to the New York City system,

       7.  The General Services Administration Medical Supply

           Agency is completing an interceptor to the New

           York City system.

       8.  The U. S. Army Brooklyn Army Terminal has been

           closed.

       9.  The Coast Guard Governors Island Base is drawing

           up-preliminary plans, due in December, for a force

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                  P. De Palco



     main to the  New York City  system to be completed



     in 1969.



10.  The National Park Service  installation, the



     Statue of Liberty,  is  scheduled to complete a



     force main to the Jersey City treatment plant in




     1969.



11.  The Coast Guard Governors  Island Light is no



     longer manned.



12.  The U. S. Army Military  Academy at West Point has



     plans completed for secondary treatment for the



     entire base  and is  scheduled  to advertise for bids



     in January 1968.



13.  The Army Corps of Engineers Storehouse in Albany



     has been closed.



l4.  The Army Watervliet Arsenal has commenced construc-



     tion of an industrial  wastes  treatment plant.



15.  The Coast Guard North  Brothers Highland Light is



     to be automated by  January 1, 1969.



16.  The Veterans  Administration Hospital at Castle



     Point, is completing final  designs and the hospital



     at Montrose  is also completing final design.



17.  The U. S. Army Military  Ocean Terminal at Bayonne



     now has studies under way  to determine whether to



     join with the city  or to build a new secondary

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                       P. De Palco



           treatment plant.



           Thank you.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  I have some questions on the Federal



installations.  I think I have to ask these, because if one



of the States gave these to us we would ask the questions.



I don't know if we are specific enough, Paul.



           First, let's go down to No. 5-



           "The Maritime Administration installation,



     Hudson Reserve Fleet, is preparing to install chemical



     toilets for use aboard ships."



           The question I have is when?



           MR. DE FALCO:  I understand that this is under way



in the current fiscal year.



           MR. STEIN:  Largely, my questions are going to be



directed to the same subject, and I would like to hold the



record open for this detailed information, because I don't



think that the States and the cities can be expected to come



up with these plans and specifications, or a time schedule



that we can check on if we do not provide the same thing for



Federal installations.  It is just inequitable, so I think we



should do that.



           The same comment applies to No. 6.  I am not sure

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                        P.  De  Falco



that is  precise enough.   It reads:



            "The Navy installation at the shipyard  in



       Brooklyn has closed a major portion of the base,  with



       the east portion now going to the New York City system."



            Does this assume that all the wastes from the  Navy



 installation in Brooklyn are  going into the city system and



 none are being discharged directly?



            MR. DE FALCO:  This is our understanding, sir.



            MR. STEIN:  Well,  I think this should be put down.



            I don't want to get into the legal matter of



 handling the waste in a municipal city system, but it is  a



 question of whether this is going to prevent pollution  or we



 are adding a waste load  that  is not being treated.  We  should



 get that indicated.



            Now, going to No.  9» I think that is all right.



There will be a force main for New York in 1967.



            That will include  all the wastes  from Governor's



Island?



            MR.  DE FALCO:   Yes.



            MR.  STEIN:  In  other words,  there are going  to be



no wastes that  are  going to be  discharged  directly once that



force main  is completed?



           MR. DE FALCO:   Yes,  sir.



           MR. STEIN:  All right.

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                       P. De Palco



           When will the West Point plans be in operation



and completed?



           MR. DE PALCO:  I don't have the detailed dates,



but I would assume somewhere around early 1970, but I will



provide the details.



           MR. STEIN:  I think that has to be put into the



record.



           MR. DE PALCO:  Right.



           MR. STEIN:  The same thing applies to the Army



Watervliet Arsenal.



           MR. DE PALCO:  Right.



           MR. STEIN:  The question here is, will this take



care of all the wastes in the water at the Watervliet Arsenal?



How about the domestic wastes?  Is this adequate?



           You should have the details on that.



           MR. DE PALCO:  Right.



           MR. STEIN:  The same type of question applies to



the Veterans Administration Hospital at Castle Point.  You say:



           "The Veterans Administration Hospital at Castle



       Point is completing final designs and the Veterans



       Administration Hospital at Montrose is also complet-



       ing final designs."



           When are they going to advertise for bids?  When



are the plants going to be in operation?

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                       P. De Falco



           Then Paragraph 17 reads:



           "The U. S. Army Military Ocean Terminal at



       Bayonne now has studies under way to determine



       whether to join with the city or to build a new



       secondary treatment plant."



           First, when are they going to make this judgment?



Second,  if they go it alone, we want a specific schedule.



           MR. DE FALCO:  All right.



           MR. STEIN:  Or we want a specific schedule now,



even  if  they decide to go it alone, and all specifics.



           May we have that within the next week or so?



           MR. DE FALCO:  Yes, sir.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           Are there any other comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  If not, thank you very much.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you, Mr. De Falco.



           I would like now to call on other Federal agencies.



           First, I will call on Colonel R. T. Batson, District



Engineer, United States Corps of Engineers, New York District.



           Colonel Batson.







           STATEMENT OF COLONEL R. T. BATSON, DISTRICT



           ENGINEER,  NEW YORK DISTRICT, CORPS OF ENGINEERS,



                      UNITED STATES ARMY

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                    Additional  Data on Status of Abatement Programs of  Federal  Installations
                                     Discharging into the Lower Hudson River
   Instruction
Agency
Pollution Abatement Status
   l!;i  , .! River Reserve Fleet

£>  NavcO < '•ipyp.rc!, Bvc,' ?-.-


"7 Medical Supply Agency

   Watervliet Arssi.f 'i

   Throgs Keck 1 x,    ,r:.'.5ou

   V.A. Hospital, Csstle  Point

   V. A. 1 ;.•;:; pit £1, Montrose

   Bayonne Supply Depot
                 '! 5. Oil
Maritics Ada.

Ifevy


GSA

Array

Coast Guard

V.A.

V.A.

Amy
    Rose;
Installing a waste water  treatment device aboard tugs
 and headquarters barge servicing the  installation.
Eastern portion tied  into New York system (to Kawtown
 Creek Plant).  Western portion tentatively scheduled
 to tie into Red Hook Plant  of Kew York City system.
Scheduled to complete interceptor to New York. City.
 No firm date available.
Scheduled to coaplete connection for sanitary wastes
 to city by August, 1968.
Ix.cij ic/:> vlidther to automate will be made in the near
 f:otvuc .  No firm date available.
Impact construction to commence during 1968 Fiscal
 Year.
!• .p:   c or;, i.toction to commence during 1968 Fiscal
 \;  " - ,
       .';.>.'• L iVvis with  city are not more favorable, the
       vvji build its own secondary treatment plant.
     j  c"  ';;,-i should  ba completed during 1968 Fiscal
        Construction  should  coanance in 1969 Fiscal

     ; :'i:c.n for connections cannot ba obtained froia
     York City.  City is  now considering revision of
    •sent plans because of recent severe storm.

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                       R. T. Batson



           COLONEL BATSON:  Mr. Stein and Gentlemen:



           I am Colonel R. T. Batson, District Engineer



of the New York District of the Corps of Engineers, United



States Army.  The District includes within its boundaries



the watersheds of the Hudson River and the streams draining



into the New York Harbor.



           There are three general functions of the District



which are pertinent to the problem of pollution of the Hudson



River.  I wish to acquaint you with our activities in these



three functional areas.



           First, as you know, the Corps of Engineers of the



Department of the Army is designated by law as the Federal



agency responsible for water resources planning and for con-



struction and operation of Federal works for navigation,



flood protection and beach erosion purposes.  As a result of



many broad studies which the District has made of the water-



sheds of the Hudson and the New York Harbor, we have developed



and have available for your use much data.



           In connection with sedimentation studies of the



lower Hudson River, we have constructed a comprehensive model



of the New York Harbor, including the Hudson River as far



north as Hyde Park.  This model has already been used for



pollution distribution studies.  Consideration is now being



given to extending the model as far as the Federal navigation

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                        R. T. Batson



 dam at Troy, New York, so that it may be made available for



 use by any agency in connection with water resource studies of



 the Hudson River.  Considerable interest has been expressed



 by both State and Federal agencies in this extension.



            There are a number of studies and projects of the



 District which are closely related to the pollution problem.



 These are being coordinated with all local and Federal



 agencies who are working in the water resources field.



            Under Congressional authority, funds have been



 made available to the District, for the collection and removal



 of drift.  Several Corps of Engineers  vessels are used to



 collect and dispose of floatable material and debris.  Most



 of the collection activity is in the upper bay of the harbor



 where drift collects from the contributing waterways.



            Pursuant to a Congressional resolution,  the



 District is completing a study to determine the feasibility



 of eliminating the sources of drift and debris by removal



 and disposal of dilapidated structures  and  derelicts, estimated



 at  about 10,000,000 cubic feet of material,  along the shores



 of  New York Harbor and  its immediate tributary waters.



Removal  of  the dilapidated structures and derelicts would



eliminate a source  of organic  pollution from the  harbor



waters and  the Lower Hudson  River.   A similar type  of in-



vestigation is being inlt iated this  fiscal  year to  determine

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                       R. T. Batson



the feasibility of eliminating sources of drift and debris



from the entire Hudson River.



           In addition, the Division Engineer, North Atlantic



Division, Corps of Engineers, is currently conducting two



studies of major significance in the matter of water pollu-



tion.  The first of these is the North Atlantic Regional



Water Resources Study covering all river basins draining into



the Atlantic Ocean north of the Virginia-North Carolina State



line, portions of Lake Champlain and the St. Lawrence River.



This is one of the eighteen regions of the United States



delineated in the Water Resources Council program of water



resources studies covering the United States,  The purpose of



this study is to establish a framework or broad master plan



to serve as a basis for future multipurpose water resource



development in the area.  This study is a joint effort of



Federal agencies involved in the water resource development



and those States whose interests are involved.



           As a result of the recent unprecedented water



drought over the northeastern seaboard of the Nation,



Congress has authorized the Corps of Engineers to cooperate



with all Federal, State and local agencies in preparing plans



to meet the long-range water needs of the northeastern United



States.  These plans may include major reservoirs, conveyance



facilities to transfer water between river basins and

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                       R. T. Batson



purification facilities to be constructed  under Federal



auspices with non-Federal participation.  The area covered



by this study is generally similar to the area covered by



the previously mentioned framework study.



           A second function of the District which relates to



the water pollution problem is that of military construction



at Army and Air Force bases in the area.



           At this time, I was going to cite pretty much



what  Mr. De Falco was stating.



           We do have some of this information I can give you.



           We will give you the complete information on the



completion date at West Point, probably 1970.



           Next, the answer to your question as to Watervllet:



It does take care of all the treatment.



           We have recently, and only recently, taken over



the construction activities at Bayonne from the Navy.  I do



not have this information to give to you now.



           In addition, all vessels that are operated by the



New York District have been or are being equipped with



chlorinators except those which are being retired this fiscal



year.



           The third function of the District pertinent to



your water pollution problem is that of enforcement of certain



Federal statutes developed to assure freedom of our waterways

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                       R. T. Batson
for navigation.
           The moat general law associated with pollution,
enforced by the Corps of Engineers, is Section 13 of the
River and Harbor Act of 3 March 1899, known as the Refuse
Act, which states in essence that it is unlawful to throw,
discharge or deposit any refuse matter of any kind or descrip-
tion into navigable waters of the United States.  In the
broad sense under this statute water pollution is not unlaw-
ful unless it is injurious to navigation.
           Since 1952, by an Act of Congress of 1888, as
amended, I, as Supervisor of New York Harbor, seek to prevent
obstructive and injurious deposits in the tidal water of New
York Harbor and Long Island Sound of refuse such as dirt,
ashes, cinders, mud, sand, dredgings, sludge, acid, or any
other material of any kind other than that flowing from
streets, sewers, and passing therefrom in liquid state.
           The Oil Pollution Act of 1924, as amended by the
Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966, prohibits the discharge
of oil from any boat or vessel into or upon the navigable
waters of the United States.  The Clean Water Restoration
Act contains four significant differences from the Act of
1924:  (1)  It transfers jurisdiction from the Secretary of
the Army to the Secretary of the Interior (this was in turn
delegated to the FWPCA); (2) in order to prosecute violators,

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                        R. T. Batson



 it must be proved  that  the  oil  spill was caused by gross



 negligence or willful spilling;  (3) it extends the 1924 Act



 from tidal waters  to all navigable  waters;  (4) it requires



 that the  violator  clean up  oil  spills.  Since it is difficult



 to prove  "gross  negligence" or  "willful spilling," there are



 presently before the Congress bills which would remove the



 requirements that  gross negligence  or willful spilling be



 shown.  In the meantime, oil pollution violations originating



 from boats or vessels are processed by the  Secretary of the



 Army, in  coordination with  the  FWPCA and the U. S. Coast



 Guard, under authority  derived  from Section 13 of the Act of



 3 March 1899 which I previously mentioned.



           To enforce these statutes, the New York District



 operates  four patrol vessels and nine patrol cars.  When a



 violation is observed or reported,  it is present policy that



 we inform the violator  of the statute that  he is violating



 and  for a first  offense solicit compliance.  If correction



 is not effected  within  a reasonable time, a report is for-



warded to the appropriate U. S. Attorney or the Admiralty



and  Shipping Section of the U. S. Department of Justice



with a request that  legal action be taken against the offender.



Since 1963,  the Supervisor  of New York Harbor has conducted



323  pollution investigations in its area of Jurisdiction along



the  Hudson River, and has forwarded 142 requests for

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                       R. T. Batson



prosecution to the appropriate United States Attorney.



           Since 1965 the U. S. Attorneys have levied fines



totaling $4-5,450 and various offenders have spent an esti-



mated $2,067,050 in correcting violations that the Supervisor



of the Harbor has found.




           As a part of the preventive program, we distribute



notices of court fines to newspapers.



           Again, under statutes originally enacted by



Congress for the protection and preservation of navigable



waters of the United States, the District, after appropriate



public notice, investigation and study, issues permits



authorizing work or construction, in, across and under



navigable waterways.  While formerly we concerned ourselves



primarily with assuring the public rights of navigation and



that no unreasonable obstruction to navigation would be cre-



ated, we now seek to assure that recent statutes for the



preservation of fish and wildlife resources and water quality



control are also satisfied by exercising close coordination



with local, State and Federal agencies having jurisdiction



in these matters.  Applications for permits for work in the



Hudson River are also coordinated with the United States



Department of the Interior under Public Law 89-605, and with



the Hudson River Valley Commission.



           In closing, I would like to reiterate that the

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                       R. T. Batson



Corps of Engineers fully understands the effort of the



Federal Water Pollution Control Administration in this en-



deavor to restore the Hudson River to a high quality water



resource, and within my authorities, full support will be



furnished as necessary to accomplish this objective.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Colonel.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you very much for your statement,



           The Corps of Engineers, as you can appreciate, is



our  sister Federal agency in the field of water pollution



control and water quality.  As a matter of fact, we both



go before the same committees in the Congress for our legis-



lation, which is the Public Works Committee in both the



House and the Senate.   While we coordinate finally, I think



we have a lot of committee members who ask us questions



frequently to see that we do.



           The Corps of Engineers and ourselves work, as you



can appreciate, very closely on this matter.  We are a



specialty agency and they are largely a construction agency,



and they have in their area, I would say, competence second



to none.



           Mr. Klashman?



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you, Colonel Batson.

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           Next I will call on the United States Army Corps



of Engineers Headquarters in Washington.



           Are they represented, and,  if  so,  do they wish



to make a statement?



           COLONEL BATSON:  I represent them.  No statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  What about the  North Atlantic



Division?



           COLONEL BATSON:  I represent them also.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  We would now like to call upon



the National Park Service.  Is either Mr. Schmidt or Mr. J.



Monkoski here?  If so, do you wish to make a statement?



           MR. MONKOSKI:  The National Park Service doesn't



have a statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  All right.



           Next I will call on the Geological Survey Albany



office, Mr. Darmer.



           MR. DARMER:  We have no statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Next I will call on the Bureau of



Outdoor Recreation, Philadelphia office,  Mr.  B. O'Neill.



           MR. O'NEILL:  We have no statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The General Services Administration,



Mr. L. McCarren.



           MR. MC CARREN:  I do not have  any statement, but



I did have some questions I would like to ask a little bit

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                   L. McCarren



later, when the question period comes.



           MR. STEIN:  There is no question period, so if you



have your questions, unless you want to get on later, why



don't you get up now and put them into the record?  This



would be a good time to do it.



           MR. MC CARREN:  I could mention a few things.



           MR. STEIN:  Why don't you come up and make your



statement.



           Let me again point out the procedure.  Everyone



will be heard, but we are not open to comments or questions



from the floor.  If we gave one person the privilege, we



would have to do it for everyone.  We would be here for



perhaps a month.  We try to give everyone an opportunity to



come to the rostrum, make his comments and ask his questions



and say anything he wishes.








           STATEMENT OF L. MC CARREN, ON BEHALF OF



           REGION II, GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION,



                   NEW YORK, NEW YORK








           MR. MC CARREN:  I represent Region II, New York



City,  General Services Administration.



           I do not have a presentation at this time, but I




have a few questions.

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                       L. McCarren
           The first question I have has reference to the
talk about secondary treatment.  Is there any real definition
of secondary treatment that we can apply to construct equip-
ment for that type of treatment?
           We have a few Federal depots.  One is at Binghamton,
New York, and they have a problem up there which was brought
to our attention.
           They have what years ago in the Corps of Engineers
— I used to be with them myself — they had Imhoff tanks for
different military bases that did not have what you would call
secondary treatment.  It also had chlorinating equipment
attached to it.  This Binghamton depot has a similar type of
plant.
           The discharge or effluent from the plant is
carried out about three-quarters of a mile from the depot and
then comes into the river.
           Now, I would like to find out if anybody has any
good design or piece of equipment that we could use there.
           Up there, in certain areas, the Health Department
and industry have mentioned installing septic tanks.  If you
install a septic tank with a dousing chamber, it could be of
some help, but the effluent would still have to be checked to
find out how close we come to cutting out the pollution or,
putting it another way, cutting down the pollution.

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                        L.  McCarren



            Then we have a  big problem, which Mr. De  Falco



 knows  about;  at Staten Island.   He mentioned that.



            We have a new building going up, the Social



 Security Building, in Watertown,  New York, and we were



 approached on that also.



            There  is one thing I would like to bring  up about



 new construction.   When you  start new construction,  I would



 suggest — I  may  be wrong, but I  am  going to suggest it any-



 how — that your  sanitary  lines and  your storm drain lines,



 area drains,  are  brought out separately outside of the



 building to the property line.



            When you come into some of these towns or cities



 or villages,  whatever you want to call them, they have com-



 bined  sewers.   In some of these areas, they are also changing



 that sewer system where they have sanitary sewers and storm



 sewers,  when  they put these  new sewer systems in.



            The engineer up in Watertown told me that under



 a  certain  type of  regulation up there, he would tie  in the



 separate sewer systems  as they come  in.  I thought that was a



good thing, and we put  that  in our new standards for speci-



fications from the General Services Administration,  regardless



of how small or large a project is.



           I think that is about  as  far as we can go.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.

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                   L.  McCarren
           MR. MC CARREN:  I am sorry I have no presentation.
           MR. STEIN:  Will you wait for comments or questions,
far. McCarren?
           What we are getting here is the face of water
pollution control, and I am going to throw this open to these
people for comments and answers and questions with you soon.
I do think that you asked some very pertinent questions.
           You know, sometimes I go to these long-haired
think sessions, research meetings.  They keep raising the
question of what do we mean by tertiary treatment, and I tell
those professionals we still have a problem of what do we mean
by secondary treatment.
           You are talking about tertiary, and what do we do
right now.
           1 do agree with you on this separation business.
We have suggested that in many, many places.
           As a matter of fact, this was not your agency,
but we had a big public battle in a midwestern city, where the
Federal Government was cleaning a big area for urban renewal.
This was a university we were helping install.  We did not
make provision for separation of the sewers while we were
doing it, or, at least, our other agency didn't, and there
was a big public controversy, but we took the position, the
same one that you did, and I am very glad to see that you have

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                        L.  McCarren



that  because we move ahead as  we can.



            This was  supported  by the Government  Operations



Committee,  which got interested in this problem,  because



this  was an interdepartmental  operation,  and HUD has now



adopted that policy  for all urban renewal operations.



            I don't know how far this goes, but,  at  least,



the questions  that you have asked are  really the hard



questions in pollution control, and your  suggestion about



separation when we have new buildings  is  one we  sure have to



go along with.  By the way, this is a  technical  question.



            Are there any other comments or questions?



            MR. KLASHMAN:  Mr.  McCarren, first, carrying  out



the Executive  Order. 11-288, I thought we had been  in  touch



with  you to discuss  this matter.   We very definitely were



talking,  when  we were, about secondary  treatment,  about 90



percent removal.



            Mr.  Sutton,  who is  chief of our Facilities  Program



in  the  region  and under whom the Federal  installations program



lies  in the region,  is  here.   Mr.  Sutton, will you  stand up?



            (Mr. Sutton  arose.)



           MR. KLASHMAN:   Mr.  Sutton will be very happy to



discuss the details of  this with you,  Mr. McCarren.



           MR. MC CARREN:  Good.   Thank you, sir.

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                       L. McCarren
           MR. KLASHMAN:  And work with you in helping solve
these problems.
           MR. MC CARREN:  Thank you, sir.
           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you very much.
           MR. STEIN:  Are there any other comments or
questions?
           (No response.)
           MR. STEIN:  If not, thank you very much.
           Mr. Klashman?
           MR. KLASHMAN:  Is Mr. G. Pillmore of the Military
Academy at West Point here?
           MR. PILLMORE:  Yes.  We have no prepared statement.
           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Coast and Geodetic Survey,
New York.  Captain Popper?
           CAPTAIN POPPER:  I have no statement.
           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Third Naval District of New
York, Mr. Field?
           MR. FIELD:  We have no statement.
           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Public Health Service, New York,
T. Hushower?
           MR. HUSHOWER:  We had presented a formal statement
at the first conference, but have no subsequent information.
           MR. KLASHMAN:  The.Bureau of Public Roads,  Trenton?

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            (No response.)



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Small Business Administration,



Mr. A. Tayne?



           MR. TAYNE:  We have no statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Federal Highway Administration,



Delmar, New York, Mr. Davis?



            MR. DAVIS:  I have no statement.  I also represent



the Bureau  of Public Roads.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Davis.



            The Housing and Urban Development, New York, Mr.



B. P.  Robinson?



           MR. ROBINSON:  No statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Coast Guard, New York, Lieutenant



Commander H. C. Wentworth?



           COMMANDER WENTWORTH:  No statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Federal Power Commission, New



York,  Mr. Monaco?



           MR. GROBE:  I am Raymond Grobe.  I represent Mr.



Monaco, and we have no statement.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  The Veterans Administration



Hospital, Castle Point, Mr. Halley?



           MR. HALLEY:  No comments.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Are there any other Federal agencies



here who wish to be recognized or wish to make a statement?

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                       J. E. McShane



           MR. MC SHANE:  Yes.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Will you come up, please?








           STATEMENT OP JAMES E. MC SHANE, DISTRICT



           EMERGENCY PLANNING OFFICER, MARITIME AD-



           MINISTRATION, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT



              OF COMMERCE, NEW YORK, NEW YORK








           MR. MC SHANE:  I am Jim McShane, the Emergency



Planning Office for the Maritime Administration, Department of



Commerce.



           There is one type of pollution, which may or may



not fit into this  picture, oil spillage, coming back to the



situation such as the Torrey Canyon in Europe, where they are



building and constructing large tankers, and it is always



possible.



           Obviously, we do not anticipate anybody spilling



oil purposely on the water on a major spillage, but it is



possible,  and also it is possible that such a spillage would



cause an emergency plan for the ports to be activated, which



comes under the Maritime Administration, Emergency Port



Planning.



           This does not come in the vein of the normal con-



tamination of water, but, at least, in design now, they have

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one ship that is half a million tons.  Such a ship, if it



were foundered, would really create havoc along the Atlantic



Seaboard if it foundered in the wrong place.



           I Just bring this up so that it is entered in the



record that the Maritime Administration has a primary



interest in emergency planning if such a thing did happen.



Obviously, it does not come within the normal, every-day



pollution problem.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  This is a concern of ours.  As a



matter of fact, I Just saw Mr. Rademacher come in — I guess



our oil man Just left — but he has been working with the



Maritime Administration before and since the Torrey Canyon



case, where there were problems like this.



           We heard Colonel Batson talk about the Oil Pollution



Act.  We are still governed by the Act.  Like most of the



engineers, he speaks very quietly and competently.



           His indication of what we would have to do now



to move under the Oil Pollution Act is clearly an understate-



ment, but if there are any lawyers in the house, you know how



many cases we could win when the test is either gross neg-



ligence or willful discharge.  There are not very many.



           The problem that we have is if we keep letting

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these tankers get any bigger, and I don't know if many of
you have seen any of these new oil tankers, when one of them
goes you are bound to have a major catastrophe.
           How big are these big tankers now?
           MR. MC SHAKE:  Well, they have just about reached
their peak, with few exceptions.
           There is one mammoth ship to be built in Japan for
half a million tons.  That will be the biggest ship in the
world, actually, as far as I know.
           I am not quoting statistics on this, except that
it is under design, it fa to be built in Japan, and if it is
built, that will very definitely be the largest cargo-type
ship or bulk carrier, but if such a ship were foundered, it
would create a catastrophe.
           I would like to make one point clear on this.
Colonel Batson was talking about the Corps of Engineers and
the law which makes them responsible for oil spillages.
           There is an Executive Order of the President,
10-999, which authorizes the Maritime Administration, or re-
quires the Maritime Administration, to prepare emergency plans
for all of the ports on the seaboards of the East, West, and
so on.
           Now, if they are responsible for emergency planning
and the activation of. emergency planning for the ports, a

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major spillage could be considered an emergency, which would



activate some of these plans.



           This is different than what Colonel Batson was



talking about.  While he  is a part of it, again, emergency



planning in a port is a responsibility of the Department of



Commerce Maritime Administration, and not Just alone for the



Corps of Engineers.



           MR. STEIN:  Yes'.  I think that is understood.



           As a matter of fact,  I know Mr. Rademacher has



been working on the report to the President on that.



           Mr. Rademacher, haven't you been working on the



report  to  the President on that?  Do you want to come up, or



can't you  talk about it?



           MR. RADEMACHER:  I cannot talk about it at this



point.



           MR. STEIN:  All right, but I do know we were pre-



paring  a report on that.



           Once you get one of these big spillages, you have



to recognize that we are  going to need all the resources of



government, of the Corps  of Engineers, the Maritime Administra-



tion, the State if we can get them, and the Federal Government



in all departments, to work this out.  What we are trying to



do is design a procedure  that can work.



           The notion was that after the Torrey Canyon broke

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up, it was not a question so much of jurisdiction, but who

in the world had an answer or a feasible solution they

could put into effect, and who was going to make that deter-

mination.

           I am pretty sure of the people we have working on

this, the Maritime Administration is one of the key, if not

the key, Federal agencies in working this out with the other

departments.

           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you very much.

           We can assure you that we in the Federal Water

Pollution Control Administration are anxious to work very

closely with you in this area.

           Are there any other Federal agencies here that

want to be recognized?

           (No response.)

           MR. KLASHMAN:  If not, Mr. Stein, this completes

the presentation by the Federal Government.

           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.

           If this completes the Federal presentation, I think

we are just about at the right time.  If we move  fast, we

probably can beat the crowds for lunch.  We will  reconvene

at about 1:20 or 1:25.

           We stand recessed for lunch.

           (Whereupon, at 11:50 a.m., a luncheon recess was

taken.)

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                    AFTERNOON SESSION



                                   (1:30 p.m.)



           MR. STEIN:  May we reconvene?



           Mr. Klashman, are the Federal presentations



completed?



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Yes, Mr. Stein, the Federal presenta-



tions are completed.



           MR. STEIN:  I will now call on New Jersey.  Dr.



Kandle.








           STATEMENT OF ROSCOE P. KANDLE, M. D.,



           CONFEREE AND COMMISSIONER, NEW JERSEY



           STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, TRENTON,



                      NEW JERSEY








           DR. KANDLE:  Good afternoon, friends.



           My name is Roscoe P. Kandle.  I am the Commissioner



of the New Jersey State Department of Health and I present



this statement as the New Jersey conferee at this conference.



           We are pleased to report the substantial progress



in New York — in New Jersey (Laughter).  That's a bad be-



ginning, isn't it?  I was complaining because they destroyed



the old oyster .house to which I had been addicted.

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           We are glad also to participate in this constructive
examination of progress and problems in avoiding pollution of
the interstate waters of the Hudson River and its tributaries.
It is the policy of the administration of New Jersey and of
Governor Richard J. Hughes to pursue the abatement and control
of water pollution with all possible vigor and all the re-
sources at our command.  It is my responsibility and my in-
tention as the State Commissioner of Health to fulfill this
policy.
           A number of things have happened in New Jersey
recently which reflect the seriousness of our intention.  New
Jersey has enacted statutes which provide, No. 1, for State
grants for the study of the feasibility of regional — and
this is the thing we are stressing most -- collection and
treatment systems;  No. 2, loans essentially interest-free to
defray the engineering costs of system design; and, thirdly,
the granting of authority to the Department of Health to
disapprove any waste treatment facility which is not a part
of a logical regional system.  We think that is a very great
advancement.    In the current session of the legislature
two additional new statutes affecting water pollution have
been adopted and signed  into law.  One provides that equipment
and facilities whose primary purpose is water pollution
control are exempt from  real and personal property tax.  The

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                    R.  P.  Kandle

 other,  hopefully, will add to the available supply of pro-

 fessional staff in water pollution control by offering fully

 funded undergraduate and graduate scholarships,  dealing with

 recruitment of young men and women into this field who will

 come into water pollution control.

            Most significant, however,  the latter statute also

 puts New Jersey in the construction grant business in a

 program compatible with the Federal grant system and appropri-

 ates funds to match this year's Federal appropriations.

            If there should be larger amounts, I  think New

 Jersey will be responsible and appropriate additional amounts,

 but we went this year on the amount of Federal moneys which we

 thought were likely to be available, and so far, unfortunately,

 we were right.

            Our Department is remarkably increasing the size

 of its water pollution control staff in order to carry out its

 many responsibilities capably and without delay.

            In February 1967 by my administrative order a  new

 Division of Clean Air and Water was established.  This

 Division is responsible for administering the Air Pollution

 Control Program,  Solid Waste Disposal Program and the Water

 Pollution Control Program.  We believe these three are

 inseparable.   This reorganization increases our  Department's

 administrative capability dealing effectively with these

interconnected environmental pollution control functions,

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with integrated standards.



           In the fiscal year beginning July 1, 19&7,



were appropriated to permit us to augment our current staff



of 42 with 24 additional positions.  In the year beginning



July 1, 1968, we expect funds which will permit the develop-



ment of a staff of 100 in the State's Water Pollution



Control Program.



           In the same year we hopefully anticipate an



appropriation of substantial funds to permit New Jersey  to



establish a network of continuous monitoring of the water



quality of its streams.  This system, if installed, would tie



in to  the data handling facility already in operation as a



part of New Jersey's air pollution monitoring  control network.



           As a part of New Jersey's total enforcement



activity, water quality standards have been defined and



established; and all of our streams and all our drainage



basins have been classified in accordance with these standards.



           To assure that these standards are, in  fact,  being



achieved, the Department has, since April of this  year,  issued



113 orders to municipalities and other entities operating



treatment plants which  are now substandard by  these new



standards.  In  the next 60 days we expect to issue another  70



orders of the same type.  It  is our intention  to see to  it



that the receipients. of these orders comply with their

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requirements.  A number of recent court actions, including




several within the scope of today's conference, testify to




our willingness to litigate when no other course of action




will achieve compliance.



           With regard to the specific area under considera-




tion today:




           A public hearing was held in Trenton on February




15, 1966, at which time the proposed classification regulations




for the Hudson River were discussed by the public and




representatives of industry and other interested persons.




The hearing was conducted in conformity with the laws of New




Jersey.  Effective May 16, 1966, the Department promulgated




regulations entitled "Classification of the Surface Waters of




the Hudson River - Arthur Kill and Tributaries," the classi-




fication for the entire reach of the Hudson River bordering




New Jersey was specified as TWr2.  The definition of TW-?




waters is as follows:  "Tidal surface waters having limited




recreational value and accordingly not acceptable for fishing




and bathing but suitable for fish survival although perhaps




not suitable for fish propagation.  These waters shall not




be an odor nuisance and shall not cause damage to pleasure




craft having occasion to traverse the waters."




           The same public hearing process was utilized in




establishing the surface water classification for Newark Bay

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                       R. P. Kandle



at TW-3.  This classification is defined as:  "Tidal surface



waters used primarily for navigation, not recreation.  These



waters, although not expected to be used for fishing, shall



provide for fish survival.  These waters shall not be an odor



nuisance and shall not cause damage to pleasure craft travers-



ing them."



           Implementation of the classification program to



meet the standards of water quality established as outlined



herewith is a very simple and direct procedure.  Employing



the regulations establishing classifications and the procedures



established by law, legal orders were issued in August 1966



against all of the municipal waste water treatment facilities



discharging effluents into the Hudson River.  These orders



took the form of recognition of the long-standing situations



and contained no detailed timetable for compliance.  They



carried an effective date generally of approximately 100



days after the date of issue.  This had the effect of bringing



the defendants to the conference table to establish a reason-



able timetable for actions.



           These orders  recently have been  supplanted by



"Amended Orders" in April 1967 establishing timetables for



appropriate interim action  including a work performance



schedule leading to the  completion of indicated construction.



The amended orders require  that the treatment facilities be

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                       R. P.  Kandle



designed to provide at all times — at all times — a



minimum of 80 percent reduction in biochemical oxygen demand



of the waste water received at the said treatment facilities.



A typical amended order is attached to this statement along



with a tabulation listing the identity of those against whom



orders incorporating timetables have been issued, and this,



Mr. Chairman, is part of the record.



           MR. STEIN:  Without objection, this will be entered



at this point, as if read.



            (The typical Amended Order is as follows:



           WHEREAS, the State Department of Health of the



State of New Jersey, on April 27, 1965, addressed a letter to



the Mayor and Board of Commissioners of the Town of West New



York, in the County of Hudson and the State of New Jersey,



stating "TAKE NOTICE, that the New Jersey State Department of



Health in cooperation with the Interstate Sanitation Commission



has determined, as a further step in the promotion of the



quality of the surface waters of this State, effective post-



chlorination of the effluents of all sewage treatment plants



discharging directly into the waters of the Interstate Sanita-



tion Commission District must be effected on or before May 15%



1967.  Thereafter, effective chlorination is to be required



continuously each year from May 15 to September 15-  Control



over the chlorination operation will be effected primarily by

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                       R. P. Handle
the maintenance of a positive chlorine residual of not less
than 1.0 part per million.  The requirements will be intensi-
fied as found necessary in order to maintain receiving water
quality criteria deemed necessary by the New Jersey State
Department of Health and the Interstate Sanitation Commission,"
and
           WHEREAS, the State Department of Health of the
State of New Jersey, on August 9> 19^6, issued an Order to
the Town of West New York, in the County of Hudson and the
State of New Jersey, requiring that the said Town, prior to
December 1, 1966, cease the discharge of improperly, inade-
quately and insufficiently treated sewage into the waters of
the Hudson River, being waters of this State, and alter, add
to or improve the sewage treatment plant operated by the Town
of West New York in order that the sewage received therein
shall be cared for, treated and disposed of, and the effluent
discharged into the said waters in a manner approved by the
State Department of Health of the State of New Jersey, and in
order that the treatment and disposal of said effluent shall
meet the applicable standards of water quality prescribed by
regulations of the State Department of Health entitled "Classi-
fication of the Surface Waters of the Hudson River, Arthur
Kill and Tributaries," effective May 16, 1966, and
           WHEREAS, the Federal Water Pollution Control

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                       R. P. Kandle



Administration of the United States Department of the Interior



requires that Orders issued as aforesaid under the Water



Pollution Control Plan of the State of New Jersey, which Plan



is subject to review by and approval of the Federal Water



Pollution Control Administration, include a timetable of sig-



nificant events  including the contemplated date for the com-



pletion of construction of sewage treatment projects, and



           WHEREAS,  it is incumbent upon the State Department



of Health of the State of New Jersey in conformity with the



nationwide water pollution control program of the Federal



Water Pollution Control Administration to be specific as to



the minimum  degree of sewage treatment meeting the approval of



the said  State  Department of Health,



           THEREFORE, the State  Department of Health of the



State of New Jersey  amends, in part, its Order of August 9,



1966, addressed to the Town of West New York, in the County



of Hudson and the State of New Jersey, by deleting the



following paragraph:



                  "NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, by the State



           Department of Health  of the State of New Jersey,



           pursuant to R. S. 58:12-2, to the Town of West



           New  York, in the County of Hudson and State of



           New  Jersey, requiring that the said Town of West



           New  York must and shall, prior to December 1,

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                      R. P. Kandle

       1966, cease the discharge of improperly, inade-

       quately and insufficiently treated sewage into

       the waters of the Hudson River, being waters of

       this State, and must alter, add to or improve the

       sewage treatment plant operated by the  said Town

       of West New York in order that the sewage received

       therein shall be cared for, treated and disposed

       of and the effluent discharged into the said waters

       in a manner approved by the State Department of

       Health of the State of New Jersey, and  in order  that

       the treatment and disposal of  said effluent shall

       meet the  applicable standards  of water  quality pre-

       scribed by regulations of the  State Department of

       Health entitled  "Classification  of the  Surface

       Waters of the Hudson River, Arthur Kill and

       Tributaries,"  effective  May 16,  1966."

and substituting  in  lieu thereof the  following language:

       NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN,  by the State  Department  of

Health of the  State  of New Jersey,  pursuant  to R.  S.  58:12-2, to
                                                             •
the Town  of West  New York,  in the County of Hudson and the State

of New Jersey,  requiring that the said Town of West New York,

must and  shall,  prior to October 30,  1970,  cease the  discharge

of improperly,  inadequately and  insufficiently treated sewage

into the  waters  of the Hudson River,  being  waters  of  this  State,

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                       R. P. Kandle
and must alter, add to or improve the sewage treatment plant
operated by the Town of West New York, including sewage
treatment units designed to provide at all times a minimum of
80 percent reduction in biochemical oxygen demand of the
sewage received at the said sewage treatment plant, in order
that the sewage received therein shall be cared for, treated
and disposed of, and the effluent discharged into the said
waters in a manner approved by the State Department of Health
of the State of New Jersey, and in order that the treatment
and disposal of said effluent shall meet the applicable
standards of water quality prescribed by regulations of the
State Department of Health entitled "Classification of the
Surface Waters of the Hudson River, Arthur Kill and Tributaries,"
effective May 16, 1966, and in effecting abatement of pollution
of the waters of this State within the time hereinabove pro-
vided, shall execute the following work performance schedule:
           (1)  Place in operation effective postchlorina-
       tion equipment on or before May 15, 1967, and hence-
       forth maintain continuously each year, from May 15
       to September 15, a positive chlorine residual of not
       less  than one part per million in the effluent dis-
       charged  to the River;
           (2)   Complete a report upon the proposed basis
       of design of additions  and alterations with review

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                      R.  P. Kandle
       and  approval  of the same by the  State Department
       of Health on  or before  October 1,  196?;
           (3)   Complete preparation of and secure review
       and  approval  of preliminary plans  on or before
       April 1,  19685
           (4)   Complete preparation of and secure review
       and  approval  of detailed  contract  plans and speci-
       fications on  or before  March 1,  1969;
           (5)   Award  construction contracts  on  or before
       June 1,  1969;
           (6)   Complete  construction  on  or before October
       30,  1970.
                STATE  DEPARTMENT OP  HEALTH OP THE STATE OF
                                               NEW JERSEY
                              /s/ Richard J.  Sullivan
                                  Richard J.  Sullivan,  Director
                               Division of Clean Air and Water
Dated:  April 4, 196?
                           * # *
                          Service of an Amended Order,  of
                    which the within is a copy,  is  herewith
                    admitted this 10th day of April, A.D., 1967
                   /s/    Raymond F.  Gabriel
                          TOWN CLERK
                            * * *

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                       R. P. Handle



           DR. KANDLE:  This tabulation shows the dates of



important stages of development  in each case.  The list in-



cludes every municipal waste treatment plant which presently



discharges into the Hudson River and Newark Bay.



           The initial step in the work performance schedule



required that chlorination be initiated by May 15, 1967, in



accordance with a  departmental directive dated April 27, 1965.



           Follow-up  investigations by the Department indicated



that four of the seven waste water treatment facilities have



initiated postchlorination.  The three remaining waste water



treatment plants are  those of the Jersey City Sewerage



Authority, Passaic Valley Sewerage Commissioners and the Town



of West New York.



           With respect to these three:  Information which has



been received indicates that postchlorination will be in



operation at the Jersey City facility before May 15, 1968.



The Department has already obtained a court order directing



West New York to proceed  with postchlorination.



           We are  appending, Mr. Chairman, another record



which shows that we have  instituted injunctive proceedings



in the Superior Court to  require the Passaic Valley Sewerage



Commissioners to comply with our order.



           May I offer to make that part of the record?



           MR.  STEIN:  Yes, certainly.  Without objection,

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                       R. P. Kandle



that will be entered at this point.



           (News release dated September 20, 1967, reads as



follows:



           TRENTON, SEPTEMBER 20...Superior Court Judge Nelson



K. Mintz, Chancery Division, Essex County, sitting in Newark,



yesterday, September 19, ordered the Passaic Valley Sewerage



Commission to appear before him on October 13 to show cause



why relief from pollution of State waters sought by the State



Department of Health should not be granted.



           The State Department of Health on April 27, 1965



placed the Commission on Notice to provide effective post



chlorination of its effluent between May 15 and September 15



each year before being discharged  into waters of the Interstate



Sanitation Commission District, Upper New York Bay.  This



post chlorination was to be inaugurated by May 15, 1967.



           On September 22, 1965,  the State Department of



Health gave a grant of $20,000 to  the Commission under the



State Public Sanitary Sewerage Assistance Act of 1965 for a



feasibility study of providing chlorination of sewage effluent



from the Commission's treatment plant by May 15, 1967.



           In a supplemental order dated March 31., 1967 the



Commission was again ordered to place in operation effective



post chlorination equipment on or  before May 15, 1967 and hence-



forth to maintain continually each year from May 15 to September

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                       R. P. Kandle
15 a positive chlorine residual of not less than one part per
million in the effluent discharged into Upper New York Bay.
           In the action brought by Deputy Attorney General
Theodore Schwartz, the State Department of Health is now
asking for immediate purchase and installation of the neces-
sary post chlorination equipment so that such equipment can
be placed in operation beginning May 15, 1968.
           A recent inspection disclosed that the post
chlorination has not yet been installed.)
                            * * »
           MR. STEIN:  While we are at this point, about how
much chlorine will Passaic Valley have to have in order to
have effective chlorination with their present kind of
treatment?
           DR. KANDLE:  Do you want to answer that?
           MR. ANTHONY RICIGLIANO:  It is estimated at about
20 tons per day.
           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.
           DR. KANDLE:  Attached is a tabulation indicating
the present status of postchlorination at all of the plants
d ischarging into the Hudson River.
           (The tabulation referred to is as follows:)

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Bayonne City

Sdgewater Borough

Koboken City

Jersey City Sewerage
Authority (two plants)

North Bergen Township
(Woodcliff Section)

Passaic Valley Sewerage
Commissioners

West New York Town

Xcsrny
                                            NEW JERSEY STATE DEPARTMENT OF H3ALTH

                                                      HUDSON RIVER BASIN

                                           PERFORMANCE SCHEDULE UNDER CURRENT ORDERS
                          Place in operation
                          effective            Report on   Preliminary   Final
   Award
Construction
Complete
postchlorination
5A5/67
5/15/67
5/15/67
5/15/67
*
5A5/67
5A5/67
•SHt-
Design
10A/67
.10A/67
10/1/67
10A/67
2A/68
10/1/67
10A/67
lj/30/68
Plan
UA/68
Vl/68
UA/68
VV68
7/1/68
Vl/68
W68
10/30/68
Plans
3A/69
3A/69
3A/69
3A/69
5A/69
3A/69
3A/69
6/1/6?
Contracts
6/1/69
6/V69
6/1/69
6/V69
8/1/69
6A/69
6/1/69
9A/69
Construction Remarks
10/30/70
10/30/7P
10/30/70
10/30/70
10/30/70
10/30/70
10/30/70
10/30/70
         Postchlorination was initiated in accordance with a Departmental directive dated April 27, 1965*

         Order will be amended .to require effective postchlorination by May 15, 1968.
                                                                                                                         CO

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                       R. P. Kandle

           DR. KANDLE:  The State Department of Health,

after making an  investigation of the operation of the West

New  York treatment  facilities,  filed a complaint in the

Superior Court of New Jersey in the County of Hudson on July

7, 1967, charging that the treatment plant was being operated

ineffectively and improperly, in violation of the permit

issued  by  this Department.  The complaint also charged that

the  town had not complied with  the  first step in the amended

order which required  effective  postchlorination by May 15,
1967.   In  its complaint  the Department asked the court to

order the  town to repair all of the defective facilities in

the  waste  water  treatment plant, to remove all sludge in the

plant and  to continue to remove all of the sludge until the

d efective  equipment is repaired.  The Department also demanded

that the town immediately eliminate noxious odors emanating

from the plant and  to install immediately the necessary post-

chlorination equipment.
           The Superior Court Judge ordered the Town of West

New  York to appear  before him on July 13 to show cause why

demands for relief  in the Department's complaint shouM not
be granted.

           The court  reacted favorably to the Department's

demands with an unprecedented action in  water pollution
control in New Jersey.

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                       R. P. Kandle

           The Superior Court Judge placed the treatment

plant under the jurisdiction of the court and appointed an

engineer from the State Department of Health as the receiver

to make sure that orders of the court and injunctive relief

demands by the Department of Health in its complaint are

carried out.

           A copy of the order handed down by the court is

attached.

           May I make that also part of the record?

           MR. STEIN:  Without objection, that will be

entered as if read.

           (The Order of the Superior Court of New Jersey

reads as follows:

                            SUPERIOR COURT OF NEW JERSEY

                            CHANCERY DIVISION, HUDSON COUNTY

                            DOCKET NO. C-2862-66

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,               )
STATE OF NEW JERSEY, et al.,
                                    )
                       Plaintiffs,
                                    )
           vs.                         Civil Action
                                    )
TOWN OF WEST NEW YORK, a                  ORDER
municipal corporation of            )
the State of New Jersey,
                                    )
                       Defendant.

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                       R. P. Kandle



           This matter being opened to the Court by Arthur



J. .Sills, Attorney General of the State of New Jersey,



attprney for plaintiffs, Theodore A. Schwartz, Deputy



Attorney General, appearing, in the presence of Samuel L.



Hirschberg, Esq., attorney for defendant, and it appearing



to the Court from the duly verified complaint and affidavits



annexed thereto that the sewage treatment plant operated by



the defendant is being operated improperly and ineffectively



for the treatment of domestic sewage and industrial wastes



and that the said improper operation of the said sewage



treatment plant is violative of a permit issued by the plain-



tiffs to the defendant on April 17, 1950 and N.J.S.A. 58:12-3,



in that sewage and industrial wastes are bypassing the processes



comprising the said sewage treatment plant; and it further



appearing that the improper operation of the said sewage treat-



ment plant is causing noxious odors to be emitted from the



said plant which has created a source of foulness in violation



of N.J.S.A. 26:lA-27; and it further appearing that the



defendant is violating N.J.S.A. 58:12-2 in that the defendant



has failed to comply with an order of the plaintiffs issued



on April 4, 1967 pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.A.



58:12-2 requiring the defendant to place in operation effective



postchlorination equipment on or before May 15, 1967 and

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                       R. P. Kandle



henceforth maintain continuously each year from May 15 to



September 15 a positive chlorine residual of not less than



one part per million in the effluent discharged to the Hudson



River, and the Court having considered the evidence and argu-



ments presented by both parties; and it further appearing



that the plaintiffs are entitled to the relief sought, and



for good cause shown;



           IT IS on this 3rd day of August, 19^7, ORDERED



that the defendant Town of West New York, hereinafter referred



to as the  "Town", its agents, servants and officials, take



the following steps to abate the discharge of improperly,



inadequately and insufficiently treated sewage and other



polluting matter into the waters of the Hudson River, to cease



the improper and ineffective operation of the said sewage



treatment plant, to cease creating noxious odors and sources



of foulness, and to install effective postchlorination equip-



ment in compliance with the plaintiffs' order of April 4, 1967.



           1.  The Town shall forthwith engage the services



of such persons to remove by proper disposal service, either



by truck, tank car or barge, in a manner which will not affect



the health of the citizens of this State, all of the scum and



sludge that has accumulated in the treatment works of the



said sewage treatment plant, namely the two sedimentation or



settling tanks.

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                       R. P. Handle



           2.  The Town shall forthwith remove all sludge



and scum in the two sedimentation or settling tanks in order



that the same may be cleaned out, repaired and put into proper



and effective operation.




           3.  The Town shall forthwith make preparations and



engage the services of such persons to remove daily by proper



disposal service either by truck, tank car or barge, in a



manner which will not affect the health of the citizens of



this State, all of the scum and sludge being deposited in the



treatment works at the said sewage treatment plant from the



sewerage system until such time as all of the plant facilities



are in proper and effective operation.



           4.  The Town shall forthwith take such steps and



necessary actions to insure that the said coarse bar screen



located at 60th Street remains clean and unclogged at all



times to prevent the flow of raw sewage and industrial wastes



during dry weather flow into the Hudson River.



           5.  The Town shall forthwith take such steps to



insure that no sludge is placed in the incinerator located



and used at the said sewage treatment plant until such time as



the collection mechanisms and the vacuum filters are operating



effectively and efficiently to dewater and chemically treat



the sludge in order that the incinerator may properly and



effectively burn the sludge material without causing any

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                       R.  P. Kandle



noxious odors  or  objectionable  smoke.



            6.  The Town  shall forthwith  repair and have  in



proper and  effective  operation  all of  the  treatment works at



the  said  sewage treatment  plant including  but not limited to



the  collection mechanism on the two  sedimentation or  settling



tanks and the  two vacuum filters for dewatering  and chemically



treating  the sludge materials.



            7.  The Town  shall forthwith  comply with all  of the



provisions  and conditions  contained  in the permit issued by



the  Department on April  17, 1950 to  the  Town for the  operation



of the said sewage treatment plant.



            8.  The Town  shall employ adequate operating  per-



sonnel to insure  that the  said  treatment works are maintained



and  operated properly and  effectively  at all times.



            9.  The Town  shall forthwith  take such steps  and



measures  to permanently  eliminate the  said  noxious odors and



sources of  foulness at the  said  sewage treatment plant.



          10.  The Town  shall forthwith  take such steps  to



insure that  the said  incinerator is operated properly in



accordance with its design  so as not to  permit any discharge



of noxious odors or objectionable smoke.



          11.  The Town  shall forthwith  purchase and  install



and have in operation effective postchlorination equipment



and have the same in operation continuously each year from

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                       R. P. Kandle
May 15 to September 15 in order to provide a positive chlorine
residual of not less than one part per million in the effluent
discharged to the Hudson River.
           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the said sewage treat-
ment plant shall remain within the Jurisdiction of this
Court until further order of this court in order that all of
the provisions of this Order are complied with.
           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Anthony R. Ricigliano,
Supervising Public Health Engineer of the Water Pollution
Control Program in the Division of Clean Air and Water of the
State Health Department, shall be this Court's representative
at the said sewage treatment plant to insure that all of the
provisions of this Order are carried out by the Town forthwith,
           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that in the furtherance of
the above paragraph Anthony R. Ricigliano shall perform the
following acts until such time as the said sewage treatment
plant is operating in compliance with all of the provisions
of this Order:
           1.  Supervise the entire operation of the said
sewage treatment plant including the activities of the plant
operator, Mr. Frank O'Leari, Jr., and the men employed at the
said sewage treatment plant;
           2.  Take all necessary steps, measures and actions,
including the obtaining of proposals for necessary services

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                       R. P. Handle



and repairs in order to carry out all of the provisions of



this Order; and



           3.  Make such suggestions and recommendations to



the Town as are necessary to comply with any of the provisions



of this Order.



           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that any expenditures required



to be made by the Town, as a result of any steps, measures



or actions required to be taken by Anthony R. Ricigliano or



to carry out any of his suggestions or recommendations, shall



be made only with the approval of the Town.



           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Town shall cooperate



fully with Anthony R. Ricigliano and take such steps, measures



and actions as are necessary to carry out his instructions,



recommendations and suggestions until all of the provisions



of this Order are complied with.



           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the plaintiffs may make



application to this Court at any time by telephone for appro-



priate judicial relief to insure compliance with the terms of



this Order and such notice may also be given to the Town by



telephone.



           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that nothing herein shall be



construed as creating any liability on behalf of the plain-



tiffs or the State of New Jersey for any acts, occurrences



or omissions which result in injury and property damage to

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the Town or others arising out of the activities of the

plaintiffs or the State of New Jersey in carrying out any of

the provisions of this Order.

           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that upon completion of the

steps required to be taken pursuant to this Order that the

Town, its agents, servants and officials, shall be permanently

enjoined from operating the said sewage treatment plant im-

properly and ineffectively in violation of the said permit

and N.J.S.A. 58:12-3.

           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that upon completion of the

steps required to be taken pursuant to this Order that the

Town, its agents, servants and officials, shall be permanently

enjoined from permitting any noxious odors to be emitted from

the said sewage treatment plant or creating any sources of

foulness.

           IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that upon completion of the

steps required to be taken pursuant to this Order that the

Town, its agents, servants and officials, shall be permanently

enjoined from violating the said Order of the plaintiffs

dated April 4, 1967 requiring postchlorination of effluents

discharged from the said sewage treatment plant to the Hudson

River.

                          /S/     James Rosen
                                                d «S «C .

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                       R. P. Kandle

           I hereby consent to the form of this Order.

                     /s/  Samuel L. Hirschberg	

                          Samuel L. Hirschberg

                          Attorney for Defendant

                           * * *

 SUPERIOR  COURT OP NEW JERSEY

 CHANCERY  DIVISION, HUDSON COUNTY

 DOCKET NO. C-2862-66



 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,

 STATE OP  NEW  JERSEY, et al.,

                       Plaintiffs,

           vs.

 TOWN  OP WEST NEW YORK,, a
 municipal corporation of
 the State of New Jersey,
                       Defendant.
           Civil Action

              ORDER
ARTHUR J. SILLS
Attorney General of New Jersey
Attorney for Plaintiffs
State House Annex
Trenton, New Jersey 08625
By:  Theodore A. Schwartz
     Deputy Attorney General)

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                       R. P. Kandle

           DR. KANDLE:  Under the direction of the engineer

appointed by the court, all of the accumulated sludge was

removed, equipment and treatment units were repaired and

rehabilitated, and the town engineer was authorized to prepare

plans and specifications for the purchase and installation of

postchlorination equipment.

           The Department of Health recently requested the

State Attorney General to take the necessary legal measures

to gain compliance with its order against the Passaid Valley

Sewerage Commissioners requiring the installation of post-

chlorination by May 15, 1967.  An order was issued by the

Superior Court of New Jersey on September 19, 1967 demanding

that the Passaic Valley Sewerage Commissioners appear to show

cause why the Department's demands should not be granted.

           A copy of this is appended, and I would like to

make it part of the record.

           MR. STEIN:  Without objection, that will be done,.

and entered as if read.

           (The Status of Order to Disinfect reads as follows:)

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                       R. P. Kandle




               STATUS OP ORDER TO DISINFECT




      BY MAY 15, 1967, AT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS




                     IN I.S.C. WATERSHED
      Plant
Bayonne City
Postchlorination
Edgewater Borough
Hoboken City
      Yes
      Yes
      Yes
         Remarks



Chlorine solution is



being applied to efflu-



ent from primary sedi-



mentation units.  Con-



tact time is flow time



in outfall pipe.






Chlorine solution is



being applied to efflu-



ent from primary sedi-



mentation units.  Con-



tact time is flow time



in outfall pipe.






Chlorine solution is



being applied to efflu-



ent from primary sedi-



mentation units.  Con-



tact time is flow time



in outfall pipe.

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     Plant
                       R. P. Kandle
Postchlorination
Jersey City Sewerage



Authority (East side



and west side plants)      No
North Bergen Township



Woodclift Section Plant
       Yes
*Passaic Valley Sewerage



Commissioners, Newark       No
          Remarks



Solicited bids on two



occasions.  The bids were



considered excessive and



rejected.  The 1967 budget



includes money for the



purchase and installation



of postchlorination equip-



ment.  It is anticipated



that these facilities will



be in operation by May 15,



1968.






Chlorine solution being



applied to influent to



primary sedimentation



units.






Commissioners submitted on



June 6, 1967, a report



entitled "Report on Pro-



posed Chlorination Facili-



ties," dated April  1967,



to the New Jersey State



Department of Health.  The

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                       R. P. Kandle
     Plant          Poatchlorlnation             Remarks
                                     Commissioners have taken
                                     no further action.*

West New York Town         No        Under court order dated
                                     August 3, 1967.

           *The  Passaic Valley Sewerage Commissioners were
           ordered by the Superior Court of New Jersey on
           September 19, 1967, to show cause why the Depart-
           ment's demands for postchlorination should not
           be  granted.
                         *  * #
           DR.  KANDLE:   The Jersey City Sewerage Authority
 is  in  the  final stages  of completing extensive additions
 and alterations to the  present primary treatment facilities.
 These  improvements include  new grit  removal facilities, grease
 collection,  new comminutors,  and a new sludge incinerator.
 These  improvements have  been accomplished at an expenditure
 in  excess  of $3  million.
           The  Jersey City  Sewerage  Authority submitted a
 report on  preliminary.plans for secondary treatment  at the
 East Side  and West Side  waste water  treatment plants.
           The  City of  Newark completed the southside inter-
 deptor on  October 24, 1966.   The raw sewage and industrial

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                       R. P. Kandle



waste formerly discharged into Peddie's Ditch is now inter-



cepted and conveyed to the treatment facilities of the Passaic



Valley Sewerage Commissioners.  This improvement removed



approximately 30 mgd of waste water from the waters of Newark



Bay.



           New Jersey submits this record as a creditable



achievement consonant with the aims of this conference.



           Mr. Chairman, this concludes New Jersey's presenta-



tion, although I should like to reserve the option of reopening.



           MR. STEIN:  That will be done.



           That is an excellent statement and a very active



program.



           Do we have any comments or questions?



           MR. METZLER:  I don't have a question, Mr. Chair-



man, but I know how difficult it is to get a program speeded



up at the rate at which this one is going, and I think no one



will overlook the real efforts that have gone into this, the



imagination and leadership, that is making this sort of a



program possible.



           It is very heartening to know that we are really



partners in this effort to get cleaned up together.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Metzler.



           I think what we have from New Jersey in this



report is a real evidence of a program that is moving.  Many

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                       R. P. Kandle



of us who have been around the country have listened to



programs, and I think New Jersey has to take second .place to



none with a program of this kind.



           Doctor, you know, when you went on the word



"comminutor," you may have bypassed it.  You know what you



got in proving that pill.  The comminutor may be obsolete in



a few years.  (Laughter)



           Are there any other comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  Does that conclude New Jersey's



presentation?



           DR. KANDLE:  Yes, sir.



           MR. STEIN:  May we hear from the Interstate



Commission, Mr. Glenn?



           MR. GLENN:  I would prefer that New York State go



ahead.



           MR. STEIN:  Do you want to take it up at this



point, Dwight?



           MR. METZLER:  I would be glad to proceed.  As a



matter of fact, we have some people who want to testify, and



it probably would be a convenience to them if we could move



right ahead.



           MR. STEIN:  All right.  Let's move ahead.



           Let me give you the plans we have.  I don't like

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to stay much after five o'clock.  If we have some people
after five, we will reconvene in the morning.
           We have several reasons for that.  First, you get
a little tired and maybe you get testy and say things you
don't like to say.
           Secondly, I think the critical man is the reporter,
and experience has shown that after five o'clock it becomes
cruel and inhuman punishment.  The reporters always tell us
that after five o'clock they get tireder and the people begin
talking faster.  (Laughter)
           We will take as many as we can until about five
o'clock, and then we will consider it.
           Mr. Metzler, will you go on with the New York
presentation?
           MR. METZLER:  The first representative from New
York then for this portion is Commissioner Hult, Commissioner
of Public Works for the City of New York, who will make a
progress report, and will do this with any assistance from his
staff which he may want.
           So, Mr. Hult, will you come forward?  If you want
to involve some of your staff, you can go right ahead and do
that.
           I might say I think you will find that New York
City has some very imaginative leadership also, and we are
proud to go ahead with Commissioner Hult and his staff.

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                       E. E. Hult








           STATEMENT OP EUGENE E. HULT, COMMISSIONER



           OP PUBLIC WORKS OP THE CITY OP NEW YORK








           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Thank you very much.



           Mr.  Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen:



           I  am really wearing two hats.  The one I have on



my left  side  represents Mayor Lindsay, who asked me to



represent  him here  today.  He is kind of tied up in a little



school problem we have, which is a major crisis.



           I  do know that he would have liked to have been



here  to  solidify the city's efforts in cleaning up the



problems we have with pollution in all areas, and particularly



water pollution.



           As most  of you know, he is very interested in water



and water  pollution.   When he became Mayor in 1966, the reser-



voirs were half empty or less.  Today they are overflowing.



We have  great confidence in our Mayor.  (Laughter)



           I  am only sorry that Commissioner Marcus, who was



here with  me  this morning and who is Administrator of



Environmental  Protection, had to leave to take up another



assignment, because, with the Mayor out of action, those of



us in the administration are doing double duty.



           Yesterday I had the privilege of turning on, or,

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                       E. E. Hult
I guess you would call it, actually opening the sluice gate
at Newtown Creek.  It was an exciting experience to open the
sewer, and allow all this to run, instead of into the Newtown
Creek, into the East River to a full-fledged operating plant.
           The Governor this morning mentioned that a month
ago he participated, and I was there to help to accept a
$10 million check.  We had been running water through the
plant.  Today we are running sewage.  It takes care of two and
a half million people in the Greenpoint and lower New York
area ultimately, and this has been a gigantic undertaking for
the City of New York.
           This only illustrates the magnitude of our program.
A $310 million plant makes an impact on whatever we have to
do.  It is a giant step forward in our pledge to this con-
ference two years ago, to New York State, to the Interstate
Sanitation Commission, in which we have pledged effective
biological treatment of 100 percent of dry weather waste water
flow by 1972.
           The city's plants we have in operation now treat
900 million gallons per day out of a daily flow of 1.3 billion
gallons.
           Actually, this conference focuses properly on the
Hudson River, but in New York City, with its complex of
waterfront tributaries, we have  to consider everything.  It

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                       E.  E. Hult



is all interrelated.



           This necessitates a review of the entire concept



of our program to meaningfully concern ourselves with the



Hudson River.



           We hope this conference will hasten programs in



other communities who share our waterways, so that their



treatment facilities will be completed concurrently with ours.



At that time, the end of 1972, our water will be free of



nuisance conditions and the rigorous State stream standards




will be met.



           The second phase of our continuing efforts here in



New York City is to take care of that troublesome combination



sewer.  The  inevitable overflows, particularly this year when



we have had  the exceptional amount of rainfall, stormwater



contaminated with diluted sewage all over the city and in



our waterways, has been a real headache.



           We have taken the first step in resolving this



problem.  As the first of a number, we have completed design



of the Spring Creek auxiliary water pollution control plant,



which will be located out in Janaica Bay, at a cost of $12



million.  This is a highly  instrumented facility designed to



impound, settle and disinfect stormwater flow.  It has been



approved by  the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration



and Nfcw York State.  The plans are finished, we are ready to

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                       E. E. Hult



go, and all we are waiting for right now to go out for bids



is for the Federal approval for the advertisement of the



structure bids.



           Broad Channel, that you perhaps have read about,



in Jamaica Bay, is a small unsewered community in the bay.



The city has undertaken drainage studies to improve the con-



ditions in this area.



           As part of this, our staff in Public Works has



the support of the New York State Department of Health for



an in-depth study of all factors involved in the quality of



bathing waters.  Initially, the area affected will be in the



Spring Creek project and its outfall.  We hope for Federal



support under the demonstration grant program, and we have had



a number of conferences  in this area.   This study should pro-



ceed concurrently with the Spring Creek construction of the



auxiliary plant.



           The third phase of our program is upgrading the



treatment potential of our existing plants, twelve of which



are in operation.  We are constantly aware of the changing



technology of environmental protection.  The Bureau of Water



Pollution Control in the New York City Department of Public



Works has made major contributions to more effective, more



economical treatment of  sewage in the metropolitan area, such



as we have.  This includes  separation, modified aeration,

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                       E. E. Hult
sludge thickening, and high rate digestion.  We have been
pioneers in this for a good number of years.
           In this area, we are going to give priority to
upgrading the Coney Island and Owls Head plants, and pre-
liminary feasibility studies are under way.
           Just to give you a brief look at the detail of the
three phases that we are involved in — and bear in mind that
the completion of the basic program in 1972 dictates that we
must be moving today to accomplish this in the major facili-
ties — the first step of the auxiliary treatment plant, such
as Spring Creek, should be under way by the end of this year,
196?) and the initial design of the third phase, the upgrading
of the present plants, by next year, 1968.
           The basic program is, of course, the prime concern
of this conference.  We started in 1931 with a construction
program.  One of our people who is here today was here in
1931, and they were the pioneers in the New York City treat-
ment plant extension program.
           Prom 1931 to 19^5, we completed 500 million gallons
per day of treatment capacity,   totaling $6? million.
           From 19^8 to 1957, we had completed another 400
million gallons per day of treatment capacity, at a cost of
$117 million.
           In 1958, we shifted to improved plant capacity and

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                       E. E. Hult

treatment at the existing plants due to population shifts,

who were moving from the centers of the city out to the

rivers and the waterfronts.

           The remaining major project that we have before

us is Staten Island, a last frontier, popularly known as the

garden spot of New York, which has two plants, Port Richmond

and Oakwood Beach.  We have decided to move immediately with

the upgrading of these plants, both in capacity and effective

treatment.  In effect, they will become super-plants fed by

an economical system, by pumping stations and force mains.

           I have just about completed design negotiations

with two engineering firms, each of whom will handle the ex-

pansion and change-over of these two plants.  There will be

considerable emphasis on effluent dispersion patterns at

Oakwood Beach to insure compatibility with restoration of the

Staten Island beaches.

           The Red Hook plant in Brooklyn:  We are looking

at the present time for property on the Brooklyn  shorefront

as this will tighten up the bottom of the lower end of

Manhattan and a small piece of  Brooklyn, and pick up the

effluent or the raw sewage  that is now being dumped into the

lower East River, and with  a very definite possibility we are

going to tie this into a major  facility of the Department of

Sanitation, where there will be an incinerator and a marine

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                       E. E. Hult


transfer station along with the sewage disposal plant.

           As I said, the sites are now being examined, and


we hope to have a decision before the end of the year, so


that we can be under way with the engineers who are presently


working in the very preliminary stages of a study.  The


interceptor design is on schedule, and we assume we will be


ready for contract on the interceptors.


           North River:  The designs are complete for the

plant and most of the interceptors.


           Mayor Lindsay, some months ago, before I came on


the scene, ordered an independent engineering and architectural


study of this $200 million project.  The purpose was to make

sure that the design as proposed would meet the New York State


Class I standard for the Hudson River, and to insure esthetic


compatibility with the neighborhood community and the other

areas of the Hudson River.


           The engineering report has been submitted to the


Department of Public Works.  Philip Johnson, an eminent


architect in New York City, has submitted his design layout,


which I have in my office, and which I have reviewed with


Mayor Lindsay.  The adoption of the design layout concept

proposed by Mr. Johnson will delay start for changes in the

plans until mid-1968, but with that clearance, we see no

        i
problem in finishing this 220 million capacity plant in the

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                       E. E. Hult



Hudson River in time for 1972.



           MR. STEIN:  That is 220 million gallons?



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Right.  The gallons and the



dollars are getting very close together.  (Laughter)



           As for the second phase that I mentioned, the



auxiliary treatment storm overflow plant, we think that the



scientific study of the effect of this particular plant,



Spring Creek, on coliform population is very important, and



it is very appropriate to do this at this time.



           This conference — and I say this very strongly



from the city administration — is earnestly requested to ask



Federal approval to give us some help in this study, along



with the State.  We need a before and after evaluation of



Jamaica Bay in the area of the Spring Creek plant.



           Finally, and most appropriate, with representatives -



           MR. STEIN:  Mr. Hult, before you go on there, do you



have an estimate of the cost of that?



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  You mean of the study?



           MR. STEIN:  The study.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  No, I don't know,



           MR. LANG:  $1 million.



           MR. STEIN:  For how long?  Over how many years?



           MR. LANG:  It is phased over a three-year period,



sir.

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                       E. E. Hult



           MR. STEIN:  In other words, you will need about



$330,000 a year?



           MR. LANG:  In that order.



           MR. STEIN:  Of Federal funds?



           MR. LANG:  Yes, sir.



           MR. STEIN:  All right.



           MR. LANG:  With substantial city participation as



well.



           MR. STEIN:  Yes, but this is what you need?



           MR. LANG:  Yes.



           MR. STEIN:  I thought we might be able to handle



it, but I'm afraid you are getting a little high.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Whatever you can give will be



appreciated.   (Laughter)



           MR. STEIN:  We may be able to talk about that.  We



are getting a  little close.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  All right.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Finally, and most appropriate



with representatives of the Federal and State agencies here,



is to consider the impact of their aid programs on the big



construction program that we have in New York City.



           In 1965, when Mayor Wagner was here, he pointed



out that between- 1957 and 1965, $223,000/X>0 had been spent

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                       E. E. Hult



by New York City.  We received help from the State of New



York in the sum of $3.4 million for design and borings,



$2.3 million from the Federal Government for construction.



           Since 1965, under the New York State Pure Waters



Bond Act, $65 million of the Newtown Creek construction was



declared eligible for aid up to 60 percent, or $39 million.



We have received already $31 million from the State of New



York.  Federal aid amounted to 0.15 percent, the maximum



allowed, or $250,000 under existing Federal legislation.



           We have filed current construction projects of



$225 million.  The allotments, as we see it, amount to State



aid of $131 million and Federal aid of $4 million, a total



of $135 million.  There is a possibility of Federal aid up to



55 percent of the eligible cost, if they appropriate money.



           The conference here and this group of conferees is



requested to convey to the Federal authorities the urgency



for appropriations realistically related to the actual needs.



           I am turning over a position paper which we have



written as a guide to your group.  We hope you won't nit-pick



it.  It is there for background material on our program.  It



contains a revised schedule ind a detailed timetable for  the



next five years, and I will file it with a copy of my state-



ment that I have Just made.



           Thank you very much.

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                       E. E. Hult



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           How long is that statement?



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  How long is what?



           MR. STEIN:  That statement you are filing?



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Just what I said.



           MR. STEIN:  I want to know how long it is, whether



we want it in the record as if read, or as an exhibit.



           May I see that, Mr. Lang?



           MR. LANG:  Yes (handing same to Mr. Stein).  This



is the statement and this is the detailed exhibit.



           MR. STEIN:  I am looking at this.  I think this is



a key document and I would like the views of the conferees on




this.



           Without objection, I think we will put this posi-



tion paper in the record as if read.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  That is perfectly all right




with me.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           (The position paper referred to is as follows:)

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                    E.  E.  Hult








                 CITY OP NEW YORK




             DEPARTMENT OP PUBLIC WORKS




        BUREAU OF WATER POLLUTION CONTROL






                   A PRESENTATION




                        on



                 THE NEW YORK CITY




          WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM








                                       September  1967



  NEW YORK CITY WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM




                 I.  INTRODUCTION




           The City of New York is intensively engaged in




two programs to abate pollution in harbor waters.   These are




(1)  The Basic Water Pollution Control Program and (2) The




Auxiliary Water Pollution Control Program.



           The Basic Water Pollution Control Program is




directed towards the treatment of the city's wastewater in




modern plants, in general of the activated sludge type.



           The Auxiliary Water Pollution Control Program is




directed toward the retention and disinfection, by means of




sodium hypochlorite, of all combined overflows in times of




rainfall at locations where the waters are to be used for

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recreational purposes, especially at  locations of planned



bathing beaches.



           Over thirty years ago, the people of New York City



voted to approve a charter change which consolidated  efforts



toward control of pollution in harbor waters into a single



city-wide agency.  The consolidated function was first



assigned to the Department of Sanitation, and subsequently,



by  1938 Charter change, to the then newly formed Department



of  Public Works.  The direct responsibility for the design,



construction, maintenance and operation of the city's waste-



water treatment plants and intercepting sewer system  lies in



the Bureau of Water Pollution Control of the Department of



Public Works.



           On January 1, 19&3, by Charter Amendment,  juris-



diction over the sewer systems in the five boroughs of the



city was vested in the Department of  Public Works, and added



to  the responsibilities of the Bureau of Water Pollution



Control.  The Bureau now has a personnel of over 2,000.








             II BASIC WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM



           The City of New York is rapidly bringing to comple-



tion a program started some forty years ago to treat the



city's wastewater.   A major depression and wars were factors



in retarding this program.   Availability of Federal and State

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construction aid in recent years has added momentum to bring

this program to its conclusion.  The city is committed to

complete all phases of the program by 1972.

           The modern program for water pollution control

started on its construction phase in 1931 with the beginning

of work at Wards Island.  At present, the entire program

envisions 18 treatment plants and intercepting sewer systems

located about the waterfront areas of the city.  The number of

plants and the type of treatment may be modified by consolida-

tion of plants and upgrading of treatment if more intensified

studies warrant such changes.  Such studies are currently

under way and definitive answers should be available in the

near future.  Figure 1 - "Plan for Pollution Control," shows

the number, locations and design capacities of the treatment

plants involved in the basic program.  (See following page.)

           Twelve of the 18 plans are presently in operation;

number 13, the Newton Creek plant, largest in the program,

will be in operation during the summer of 19^7.  Not all

parts of the tributary areas of these plants, however, are

contributing flow, either because the areas are not completely

sewered, or because not all the intercepting sewers and

pumping stations necessary to convey the wastewater to the

treatment plants have been built.

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           The criterion used to measure the efficacy of



elimination of organic pollution is the conventionally



accepted percentage of removal of five-day Biochemical



Oxygen Demand.




           In 1966 the Water Pollution Control Program had



twelve plants completed and in operation, treating two-thirds



of the city's wastewater.  Ten major biological treatment



plants give secondary treatment to about 800 million gallons



per day.  Only about 8 million gallons per day, in two small



plants, receive just primary treatment.  Only three of the



secondary treatment plants are now operated continually or



seasonally on the "step aeration" process to yield BOD re-



movals of about 9O#.  However, six major plants are equipped



to do so, and eventually will be so operated, of course.  In



this interim period, seven plants are utilizing "modified"



or "high rate" aeration to achieve BOD removals above 6o#.



           Based on the five-year (1961-1965) plant averages



for flow, influent BOD, and effluent BOD, of all twelve of



the existing plants, the raw load of the treated wastewater



is 991,800 Ibs. of BOD per day, and the BOD in the treated



effluent is 307,800 Ibs. per day as per the following break-




down in Table I.

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                     TABLE I
            CURRENT OPERATION OP TREATMENT
                PLANTS NOW EXISTING
Plow
Plant M.G.D.
Wards Island
Hunts Point
26th Ward
Coney Island
Owls Head
Jamaica
Tallman Island
Bowery Bay
Rockaway
Oakwood Beach
Hart Island
Port Richmond
210
120
53
85
92
72
42
100
17
9
1
10
Influent BOD
Lbs./Day
263,500
124,000
47,000
85,000
100,000
80,000
75,000
174,000
13,500
7,800
5,000
17,000
Effluent BOD
Lbs./Day
57,000
33,500
10,000
37,000
52,000
31,000
21,500
52,000
5,000
2,800
1,000
5,000
                          991,800
307,800
           Therefore in the present interim phase, with the

plants not operated to the full design intent, removal in the

treated wastewater is :
           99,900 - 307,800 =
               991,800

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           The presently untreated wastewater load has been
computed on the basis of the population of the untreated
drainage areas with normal New York City wastewater strength,
except for the Newtown Creek drainage area, with its industri-
al load.  (See Table II, next page.)  This untreated load is
421,610 Ibs. of BOD per day.
           Therefore the 1966   city-wide BOD removal,
accounting for direct raw discharges, was:
                  1,413,410 - 729,410 =
which means that with twelve plants presently providing
less than full design treatment to two- thirds of New York
City's wastewater, the overall pollutant removal for the city
was 48#.
           The City of New York has committed itself to the
construction of five additional plants in the near future,
one of which, the Newtown Creek, will open during the summer
of 1967.  Five of the existing plants will be extended.  This
program will be completed by 1972.  At that time a total
treatment capacity of 1.8 billion gallons per day will be
provided, capable of accommodating almost a 40$ growth in
New York City.  Twelve of these plants will provide for re-
moval of 92# of the BOD, based on the weighted average per-
formance over the past five years with the complete Gould

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                                    TABLE II

                  CURRENT UNTREATED NEtf YORK CITY BOD DISCHARGES


  I   UPPER HUDSON LOADS

      Marble Hill - 8200 x UiO QPCD - 1.15 MOD x 132 PPM x 8.3U • 1270 I/Day

  II  LOWER HUDSON

      Man - N.R.*  - 66lliOO x 1UO    - 92.5     x 132     x 8.3U "102000
      Man - N.C.  - 150000 x lliO    - 213$     x 132     x 8.3U •  23000

 HI  HARLEM RIVER

      Bronx & Man. -  95000 x 1UO   • 13.3     x   "     x  »   *- 1U600

  TV  LOWER EAST

      Manhattan    - 291UOO x 11*0   - la       x   "     x  "  . • 'J£$00
      Bklyn & Qns  - 763600 x lliO   • TO      x 139     x 8.3U - 170000
      Red Hook     - 130000 x lUO   - 1872     x 132     x 8.3U " "2£gg5

  V   UPPER BAY

      Red Hook     - 100000 xlljO-lU       X   »     x""  15UOO

  VI  RARITAN BAY

      Bltinprillfl  -  10000 xlUO-lJi      x"     X   "-

 VH  ARTHUR KILL
                      22000 xlliO-3.1      x"     x   "-  3UOO
                                     ProotoP & Gamble           •
VIH  KILL VAN KULL
                      35000 x lliO   - U.9      x   "     x   "
                                                  Total        1*217515 'Lbs ./Day
  l&n. - 2T.R.  -  North River Drainage Area-xof IJanhattan

  Man. - N.C.  -  Newtown Creek Drainage Area of Manhattan
                                       - 6 -

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step aeration1 process.    The remaining five plants will
provide 'modified aeration1 treatment to conservatively yield
a 63$ BOD removal, based on the plant experience for the past
five years as per the following breakdown in Table III.
(See following page.)

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                       TABLE in
       SUMMARY OP OPERATING DATA AT NEW TORK CITT
MODIFIED AERATION PLANTS OPERATED WITHOUT PRE-SEDIMENTATION
Plant
Kama
Coney 'island
Average
1965
196U
1963
Rockavray
Average
1965
1961,
1963
1962
Jamaica
Average
I960
1959
1958
1957
Oalruood
Average
1965
1961,
1963
1962
Owls Head
Average
1957
1958
1959
I960
Average of All
Percent
BOD
Removal
66
65
71
61
62
65
60
59
63
72
65
71
75
78
63
56
5U
70
71
55
58
Sli
56
63
Sludge
Ago
Days
.19
.19
.16
.21,
.23
.29
.27
.22
.15
.67
.57
.65
.78
.70
.37
.35
.36
.147
.32
!26
.21
.23
.23
.314
Influent
SS BOD
163
170
171
1147
121,
U45
112
112
126
192
175
179
199
213
165
168
166
171
155
156
155
11,9
155
163
160
iia
150
1147
125
87
100
92
81
73
1314
130
12U
135
11,6
•98
109
83
113
87
151
163
161,
1514
121
121
Flow
MOD
77.33
69.U
76.U
86.2
15.52
lh.2
UuO
H4.7
19.2
5U.15
57.3
53
5U.6
51.7
9.6
:9.~3
10
8.9
10.2
93.52
87,'8
93
96
97.3
MM«*
, Aerator
! S.S. Time Air
, PPM Hours Ft^/0*!
1460
390
580
363
380
310
300
1,60
919
889
827
1,029
930
1AO
390
2420
1480
350
5W4
630
510
533
510
5143
1.6
1.8
1.6
l.fe
1.90
2.3
2.1
2
1.2
2.57
2.1
2.6
2.7
2.9
3.02
3.0
2.9
3.3
2.9
1.145
1.1,
1.5
1.5
1.14
2.13
.25
.2U
.29
.23
.a
.143
.1,6
.114
.32
.52
.Uo
.52
.57
.62
.36
.U,
.36
.35
.32
.30
.31
.28
.30
.314
.37
Overflow
Oal/Ft2 /Day
1,297
1,170
1,230
960
620
160
580
690
750
697
7fc5
715
669
660
660
600
7140
600
700
857
810
81,7
880
891
7145
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           New York City has a static, even shrinking,



population.  A fantastic growth to a population of 11 million



would be required, at present per capita flows, to deliver
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the full design contribution to the plants.  The expected re-



movals for this extreme condition have been computed by three



different methods as follows:







                    METHOD 1.
         PROJECTION OP CITY-WIDE DEGREE OP BOD REMOVAL,



         WITH ALL PLANTS TREATING FULL DESIGN PLOW.







A.  Determination of Ultimate Load, with 1.8 Billion Gallons



    per Day flow, by extrapolation of present load, computed



    on per capita contribution.








    Residents



           7.9 Million Persons at 0.18 #/Day/Cap



                 7.9 x 106 x 0.18             = 1,421,000 #/Day




    Trans ients



           500,000 Persons at 0.06 #/Day/Cap



                 0.5 x 106 x 0.06             =    30,000 #/Day

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    Industrial

        In Newtown Creek and Bowery Bay Area

        Bowery Bay 110 MGD x 8.34 x (189-132)  =  32,000 #/Day

        Newtown Creek 2-1/2 (Flow of Bowery Bay)

                     2-1/2 x 52,000            = 182,000 #/Day

        Procter & Gamble, Staten Island        =  10,000 #/Day

                         Total                 1,653,000 #/Day

        1,653,000 #/Day x 1.8 Billion Gal/Day =2,290,000 #/Day
                          1.3 Billion Gal/Day  Ultimate Load



B.  Determination of Ultimate Load, with 1.8 Billion Gallons

    per day flow, by use of known strengths of sanitary and

    industrial flows.


     BOD strength of normal wastewater in those plants in

     primarily non-industrial areas (See Figure 2, Page 12)

     is 132 ppm, or 1100 Ibs/MGD.


     BOD strength of wastewater in plants treating residen-

     tial and industrial areas (Bowery Bay) is 189 ppm.


     1500 MGD at 1100 Ibs/MGD            =  1,650,000 Ibs.

     300 MGD (Industrial) x 189 x 8.34   =    473,000 Ibs.

                                            2,123,000 Ibs./day

                                            ULTIMATE LOAD

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C.  Determination of BOD to be discharged ultimately.

    1)  Degree of Treatment at Modified Aeration Plants.

        Average of all such plants, without primary sedi-

        mentation tanks, based on most recent operation

        experience is 63$ BOD Removal.  (See Table III,

        Page 8)

    2)  Degree of treatment at Step Aeration Plants, using

        all available experience of past five years is 92$

        BOD removal.

                              % Rem.  Months

Wards Island

Hunts Point
Bowery Bay
95
(86
(89
(95
(82
84
60
12
1
5
7
2


Weighted
Average
92*

    3)  By attributing the above average to future plants,

        but rating existing plants at their actual per-
                       i
        formances, the consultant firm of Quirk, Lawler

        and Matusky, project the following BOD loadings from

        treated plant effluents:

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           Upper Hudson

           Lower Hudson

           Harlem River

           Upper East River

           Lower East River

           Kill Van Kull

           Arthur Kill

           Raritan Bay

           Ocean, Jamaica Bay and

                       Upper Bay
      0 #/Day

110,000 #/Day

      0 #/Day

 52,500 #/Day

176,000 #/Day

  4,000 #/Day

  5,600 #/Day

  2,000 #/Day



 91,000 #/Day
           Total Load from

                      New York City 441,000 #/Day
D. Removal
       Influent Load, average of A. and B.,

       Effluent Discharge

                 2,200,000 - 441,000
                     2,200,000
          2,200,000 Ibs/Day

            441,000 Ibs/fcay

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N.Y.C.D.P.V7. POLLUTION CONTROL PROJECTS







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                           10
                                                           00
                                                             90   95
          20   30  40  50 60  70

PERCENT  OF TIME  INFLUENT  BOD CONCENTRATION

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90  99
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                    METHOD 2.
       PROJECTION OP CITY-WIDE DEGREE OP BOD
       REMOVAL, WITH ALL PLANTS TREATING FULL
                   DESIGN FLOW.
 With all plants constructed, there will be:
       830 MGD of Modified Aeration Capacity
       970 MGD of Step Aeration Capacity
            830 x .63 = 523
            970 x .92 = 893
              1800 /I,4l6   = 79
       Weighted average removal =
                    METHOD 3.
       PROJECTION OF CITY-WIDE DEGREE OF BOD
       REMOVAL, WITH ALL PLANTS TREATING FULL
                   DESIGN FLOW.
Present Flow                              = 1.3 B.G.D,
Design Flow                               = 1.8 B.G.D,
Increase in Flow                          -   500 MGD
Present Plant Capacity                    = 1,037 MGD
Additional Plant Capacity to be
                            Constructed   =   758 MGD
       How will the additional 500 MGD be distributed

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between the two types of treatment?


           Pull design flow postulates a 38$ increase in


New York City flows and load.  At least two-thirds of this


should be attributed to those areas of the city with a poten-


tial for population growth.  At most, one- third can be


attributed to such areas as Manhattan, and the industrial


complexes like Long Island City, Erie Basin and Bush Terminal,


which happen to be served exclusively or mainly by modified


aeration plants.


           At presently known flows, with all plants built,


the distribution of treatment would be:


                600 MOD by Modified Treatment


                700 MGD by Step Aeration


           By logically prorating the additional 500 MGD,


the eventual allocation would be:


                 (600 + 167) = 767 MGD by Modified Treatment


                 (700 + 333) = 1,033 MGD by Step Aeration



                  767 x  .63 = 483


                 1033 x  .92 - 951



                     1800    /1,434 = 80
           Weighted average removal =
           Summary of three methods of computation:  Method 1

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was based on known wastewater strengths,  industrial loads,



and existing plant performances.  Method  2 was based on



weighted average removals,  if all plants  received flow exactly



as designed.  Method 3 was  based on weighted average removals,



with any increase beyond the now known flows rationally



allocated to the two degrees of treatment.



           The results are:



                       Method 1 -



                       Method 2 -



                       Method 3 -



           By 1972, with eighteen plants  treating New York



City's  wastewater to full  design intent, the overall pollutant



removal will be



           The auxiliary water pollution  control program,



with the auxiliary plants impounding storm overflows in



Jamaica Bay, Eastchester Bay, and the Upper East River, will



be completed by 1980.  Estimates of the proportion of normal



dry weather BOD contribution that is spilled over during



storm overflows have been cited from 5 to 10 percent.  A



further annual reduction of BOD in these drainage areas by



the detention, settling, degritting, and effluent disinfection



in these facilities of at least 2 percent is conservative.



           The firm of Quirk, Lawler and Matusky, Engineers,



was retained by the city to analyze the effect of pollution

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and treatment processes on water quality in the Hudson River.


This report, titled "Analysis of the Process Design of the


North River Pollution Control Project and of its Effect on


Water Quality in the Hudson River" and dated February 19&7,


separately bound, is made a part of this presentation.


           In addition to the twelve treatment plants presently


in operation, the completion of the basic water pollution


control program will require the following projects:





NEWTOWN CREEK


           The construction of this treatment plant is


nearing completion.  Initial operation, accepting wastewater


from most of the Brooklyn and Queens tributary areas, will


commence in the summer of 1967.  The flow from Manhattan will


be added in 1968 when the large pumping station at Avenue D


and East 13th Street and the remaining portions of the  inter-


ceptors have been completed.  The new sludge vessel,  now under


construction, is scheduled  for completion early in 1968.





NORTH RIVER


           A large project  under design is  the North  River


W.P.C. Plant and its system of intercepting sewers which will


treat the raw sewage from Manhattan now entering  the  Hudson


and Harlem Rivers from Bank Street  north to and including the

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northernmost part of the island and around the Harlem River
as far south as East l89th Street.  The plant will be situ-
ated between West 137th Street and West l45th Street on the
North River.  The preliminary plant design was completed by
private consultants during the year 1964 and final design is
nearing completion.  The intercepting sewers will be built
under five sections, one of which was placed under contract
in 1966.  Design of three more is well advanced and will be
completed in 1967.  The final and fifth section will be ready
for contract in early 1968.  The project will have a capacity
                                        \  i
of 220 MOD.
           The location, technical design and esthetic
features of this plant have been undergoing independent
critical review.  The technical plans have been given
clearance in a report by sanitary engineering consultants,
Quirk, Lawler and Matusky.  The esthetic features are under
study by an outstanding architect, Philip Johnson.  It is
hoped that when his report has been received we will be able
to complete the final design including whatever revisions
are recommended, and advance the construction of this impor-
tant plant.


WARDS ISLAND EXTENSION
           The construction of 3 pumping stations, force

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mains and intercepting sewers serving the Riverdale area

in the Bronx, started in 1965, was 95$ complete by the end of

1966.

           The preliminary designs for expansion of the Wards

Island plant from 220 MGD to 290 MOD were completed by con-

sultants.  Detail design is being processed, in part, by

DPW personnel starting with rehabilitation of the Manhattan

and Bronx Grit Chambers, construction of which will start in

1967.  Plant expansion is several years away.



RED HOOK

           The site for the Red Hook plant in Brooklyn was

adopted during 19^5.  Unfortunately this site, selected for

a high rate activated sludge plant, will be inadequate to

accommodate an upgraded treatment facility using the Gould

'step-aeration' process as now proposed to meet newly fixed

State and Federal requirements.  Hence it will be necessary

to augment or shift this site.  In the meantime the inter-

ceptor designs are advancing.  At the end of 1966, final

design of the north branch intercepting sewer was about 50#

completed and the south branch 25$.

           Completion of Riverdale, Newtown Creek, North

River and Red Hook projects will eliminate the last major

discharges of raw sewage into the harbor from the four most

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populous boroughs.




           Realization of this interim goal will reduce the



pollutional  load on the Hudson, Harlem and East Rivers,



and Newtown  Creek by an equivalent population of over 3,000,000



persons.  This will significantly improve the sanitary quality



of the waters in the inner harbor.



STATEN ISLAM) PROJECTS




           There is a small plant providing primary treatment



at Port Richmond, Staten Island.  In 1964 consultants began a



comprehensive study under the State Aid Program for the ex-



pansion of this project from primary treatment for 10 MOD to



secondary treatment for 60 MGD.  At the end of 1966 this study



was substantially complete.




           The final design, which will commence in 1967, will



be based on upgrading treatment of the Gould 'step-aeration1



process in order to meet increased requirements of the regu-




latory agencies.  The design of the west branch interceptor



was completed in 1966 and construction will start shortly.




Preliminary design of the east branch intercepting sewer was




started during the year and will be completed in 1967.



           Present studies indicate that we will not construct



a plant in the Bloomfield area within the next three decades,



if at all.   Inasmuch as the waters of the Arthur Kill are in




a degraded condition,  we prefer to pump Bloomfield wastewater

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over to the Port Richmond plant for treatment there.



Whether we ever build a plant on the Arthur Kill will depend



upon the population growth in the two areas and the turn of



industrial development.



           The other facility presently in operation on



Staten Island is known as the Oakwood Beach Plant located in



the Great Kills Park.  Preliminary for the west branch inter-



ceptor has been completed by consultants.  Construction of



this long branch will make possible the conveyance of sewage



to the plant from the entire south shore of Staten Island



from Great Kills Park to Prince's Bay.  A pumping station will



be built to include the Eltingville area in this project.



The plant will be expanded from 15 to 30 MGD capacity in the



near future.



           The Tottenville area is of great concern because



of the tentative classification of the waters of Raritan Bay



for shellfishing.  Consultants have completed the compre-



hensive study for a small plant.



           The Fresh Kills area is the last remaining region



to be considered in our plans to provide treatment  facilities



for Staten Island sewage.  A State-aided comprehensive study



by consultants is 45# complete.



           In conclusion, Section II of this presentation



indicates that in a matter  of five or six years the basic

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water pollution control program for the entire city, as



originally planned, should be completed, and should result



in an overall removal of better than 8o# of the total BOD



in the city's wastewater.








             Ill - CONSOLIDATION OP TREATMENT PLANTS -



               BASIC WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM



           A reduction in the total number of treatment plants



as originally proposed under the Basic Program is highly



desirable.  Fewer plants are less costly to construct, main-



tain, and operate.  A larger plant requires only a few more



men for operation than a smaller one.  Rising labor costs can



be expected over a long period of time.  It is thus apparent



that substantial savings can be achieved by reducing the



number of plants required to treat the city's total waste-



water.  Improved operation and treatment is also indicated by



having fewer and larger plants.



           This concept of consolidation of plants and re-



ducing the total number of plants required under the Basic



Program is applicable to the Borough of Richmond.  To complete



the Basic Program as originally planned would require in addi-



tion to the two presently existing plants and proposed ex-



tensions to these two plants, the following new projects:

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      Project          Ultimate Capacity


      Bloomfield       10 MGD


      Fresh Kills      10 MGD


      Tottenville      12 MGD


           We are now planning to deliver the Bloomf ield flow,


by pumping stations and force mains, to the Port Richmond


Extension up to the time the 60 MGD planned design capacity


of this plant is exceeded, which we expect will not be


reached until the early part of the next century, if at( all.
                                                           \

If and when it appears that the design capacity of the Port


Richmond Extension will be exceeded, consideration will be


given to providing a separate treatment plant for the Bloom-


field drainage area.  The sewage pumping stations, force


mains and intercepting sewer system are so designed as to


provide for this eventuality.  The Port Richmond Extension


will be designed for the  'step-aeration1 activated sludge


process.


           Studies are under way to eliminate the presently


proposed Tottenville and Fresh Kills Treatment Plants.  Wider


this new proposal, the present Oakwood Beach plant will be


enlarged and will, in addition to the flow from its drainage


area, receive the added flows from the Tottenville and Fresh


Kills drainage areas.  The Oakwood Beach Extension will be

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designed  for  the  'step-aeration' activated sludge process.



The planned ultimate design capacity of the Oakwood Beach



Extension, to accommodate  the projected increased flow from



its drainage  area as well  as the additional flows from



Tottenville and Fresh Kills drainage areas will be 60 MGD.



However,  this full capacity will not be required for a long



time and  the  expansion program will be phased in two stages,



with Stage 1  entailing a design capacity of 30 MGD, or twice



the presently provided Oakwood Beach capacity, and Stage 2



providing the additional capacity of 30 MGD for a total ulti-



mate design capacity of 60 MGD.  In any case, flexibility



will be provided in the pumping stations, force mains and



intercepting  sewers which  will permit construction of addi-



tional plants if the ultimate design capacity of the Oakwood



Beach Extension is exceeded in the future.  Sites for this



eventuality are being reserved.




           The Borough of  Richmond will then have only two



major 'step-aeration' activated sludge treatment plants



capable of removing upwards of 90$ of the BOD from the waste-




water of  the Borough.



           Consolidation of treatment plants in other boroughs



of the city is not deemed  feasible due to cost, site limita-



tions and intercepting sewer complications.



           In conclusion,  Section III of this presentation

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indicates that the 18 plants as originally proposed under the

Basic Program can be reduced to 15 by consolidation.



IV.  UPGRADING OF TREATMENT AT EXISTING OR PROPOSED MODIFIED

    'AERATION PLANTS - BASIC WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM.

           This section will explore the overall feasibility

of upgrading the treatment potential at existing or proposed

modified or short-period aeration plants under the Basic

Program.

           The plants involved3 design capacities, and the

type of treatment designed for are as follows:


                        Ultimate Design  Type
Plant                   Capacity, MGD    Treatment

North River                  220         Short Period Aeration

City Island-Hart Island        3         Primary Sedimentation

Newtown Creek                310         Modified Aeration

Coney Island                 110         Modified Aeration

Owls Head                    160         Modified Aeration

Rockaway                      30         Modified Aeration

Port Richmond*                60         Modified Aeration

Oakwood Beach                 30         Modified Aeration

Fresh Kills                   10         Modified Aeration

Red Hook                      50         Modified Aeration

*Includes Bloomfield

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           Feasibility studies directed towards the overall


objective of upgrading the treatment potential at the above


listed plants,  in part, or in total, will be  conducted.


Site limitations, cost, and  other problems may impose ob-


stacles towards the entire fulfillment of this objective.


           RICHMOND    Conditions in the Borough of Richmond


offer the least difficulty to the stated objective.  As dis-


cussed in Section III, Richmond will by consolidation have


only two large  treatment plants to handle the entire borough's


wastewater, namely the Port  Richmond Plant and the Oakwood


Beach Plant.  Both the existing plants will be altered and


expanded by Extensions to provide capacity to accommodate the


entire borough's wastewater  flow to at least  the early part


of the next century.  As presently proposed,  both Extensions


will be designed for the 'step-aeration1 activated sludge


process.  This  process insures consistent BOD removals in


excess of 90#.  This will result in the substantial abatement


of pollution from the Borough of Richmond in  the waterways


abutting the State of New Jersey.


           BROOKLYN   By comparison, the Borough of Brooklyn


being more highly developed than the Borough  of Richmond,


offers considerably more difficulties.   The  physical limita-


tions of available area for enlargement of existing sites for


Extensions and the nature of the reconstruction of existing

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facilities to upgrade treatment complicates the problem and



severely hinders accomplishing the desired objective of



providing treatment by the  'step-aeration1 process.






                       CONEY ISLAND



           This plant presents few difficulties in regard



to conversion.  Sufficient land is available to fully



accommodate a plant using the 'step-aeration' process.  The



conversion would require alterations to existing structures



and the following new structures:  1)  primary settling



tanks, 2) additional aeration tanks along with increased



blower capacity, and 3) additional sludge thickeners.  The



present digestor capacity is considered adequate for  'step'



sludge operation.  At the time a decision is made to convert



to'step-aeration' treatment, a complimentary decision will be



made to abandon power generation and operate the plant on



purchased utility power, if such proves economically feasible.






                       OWLS HEAD



           A study is presently under way to provide addi-



tional site area at this plant by filling the offshore por-



tion of the plant property on the south side of the existing



site.  It is expected that this will provide sufficient land



for the structures required for conversion to the 'step-

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aeration' process.  The conversion would require alterations

to the existing structures and the following new structures:

1) primary settling tanks, 2) additional aeration tanks with

increased blower capacity, and 3) sludge thickening tanks.

The present digestor capacity is considered adequate for

•step1 sludge  operations.  A decision to abandon power genera-

tion similar to Coney Island, will be made.


                       RED HOOK
           This plant as originally proposed under the Basic

 Program was to be designed for the 'raodified-aeration'

 process.  A site for this type of plant was selected under

 the Manhattan Bridge.  Conversion of the design to 'step-

 aeration1 at this site presents tremendous difficulties in

 view of the limited area available.  However, it may be

 possible for the City of New York to acquire a suitable site

 for a  'step-aeration' plant at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, which

 is scheduled to be abandoned.  The Red Hook plant will be

 designed for a capcity of 50 MGD based on average sewage flow,


                     NEVfTOWN CREEK

           The conversion of the Newtown Creek Plant from

 'modified1  to 'step-aeration' presents the most difficulties

of all the plants in the city system.  This plant designed

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for a capacity of 310 MGD based on an average sewage flow is

on a 32-acre site practically all of which is occupied by

structures.  Hence, the possibility of converting this plant

to 'step-aeration1 is extremely doubtful.  The area surround-
   s
ing this site is presently fully occupied by industrial

establishments or residential structures.  Acquisition of

additional site area by the City of New York would require

condemnation at great expense.  This possibility is there-

fore considered only as a last resort.  If it is deemed neces-

sary to convert the Newtown Creek Plant to 'step-aeration1,

it will be necessary to make changes to the present plant by

modifications to the aeration and final tanks to permit addi-

tion of primary sedimentation tanks, aeration tanks and final

tanks, as required by 'step-aeration1 and limit the capacity

of the altered plant to permit handling of only the Brooklyn

and Queens flows, or for a capacity of 140 MGD based on an

average sewage flow.  The Manhattan flow would then essen-

tially require the construction of a new  'step-aeration'

plant, on a new site abutting the 'step-aeration1 plant

handling the Brooklyn and Queens flows.  This additional

plant required to handle the Manhattan flow will then have a

design capacity of 170 MGD based on an average sewage flow

for a total combined flow of the two plants of 310 MGD.

Abandoning of power generation at the plant and converting

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to purchased utility power would also be  indicated.



            The  conversion of existing structures and the ex-



pansion  required  for this proposal  is of  such  great extent



that  enormous capital  costs would be required.  A decision



of such  great importance is involved that considerable  'in



depth* study would have to be made  to obtain a viable solution



to the problem.



            QUEENS-ROCKAWAY   The Borough  of Queens offers the



least problem toward the objectives of achieving conversion



of  'modified-aeration1  plants to the 'step-aeration' process.



The only project  involved is the Rockaway plant.  Sufficient



area  is  available at the site of the Rockaway  plant to  con-



vert  from 'modified-aeration1 to 'step-aeration. '  The  con-



version  requires  the following:



            1.  New preliminary sedimentation tanks.



            2.  Additional aeration tanks  as well as addi-



               tional process air blower  capacity.



            3.  Additional sludge thickening tanks.





            BRONX   The Borough of the Bronx is not involved.



The drainage area  is presently receiving  'step-aeration'



treatment at 2 plants, namely, Wards Island and Hunts Point.



The only exception is the small flow receiving primary  treat-



ment at the City Island-Hart Island plant.

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           MANHATTAN-NORTH RIVER   In the Borough of
Manhattan only the North River Plant is involved since the
remaining portions of the Manhattan drainage areas receive
treatment at the Wards Island and Nevrbown Creek Plants.
           The North River Plant presently designed for
'short-period aeration' activated sludge treatment has site
limitations which preclude full conversion to 'step-aeration'
treatment.  However, there is an area available to the south
of the present site that can be prepared for site expansion.
This will permit conversion of the North River plant from
its present design  'short-period1 to  'modified-aeration'
with treatment potential of achieving about 70$ BOD removal
in the wastewater from this drainage area.  This would pro-
vide an increase of about 20# from the presently designed
potential of about 50#.  This in essence is the maximum
treatment potential possible at the existing and expanded
site.
           There are no possible sites on the west side of
the Borough of Manhattan for relocation of the North River
Plant to provide for  'step-aeration' treatment.  Any departure
from the expressed concepts, will, in essence, mean the
complete abandonment of a plant in Manhattan.  The only re-
maining alternative would be to convey the flow from the
North River drainage area to a new prepared site for a

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 •step-aeration1 plant  at Wards Island.  A pumping station



 and a deep  force main  tunnel through  rock would be required



 to convey the  flow to  Wards Island.   This proposal would be



 very costly and would  mean a postponement in starting con-



 struction of this  very vital public improvement and a delay



 in the  abatement of pollution in the  Hudson River for at



 least five  years.   The design for a 'short-period aeration1



 plant is  practically completed and the start of construction



 of the  treatment plant for this project is scheduled for 1968.



 With a  four-year construction period, start of operation is



 scheduled for  1972.  This will Just about meet New York



 City's  commitment  to the New York State Department of Health



 and the Interstate  Sanitation Commission  to complete all



 projects  involved  in the Basic Program by 1972.  Any interrup-



 tions to  this  stated objective and the completion of the



 North River Project would mean not meeting this city*s



commitment  with the attending criticism that this entails.



            "Holding-the-Line" on the present design for



 'short-period1 aeration treatment at North River with possible



future  conversion to 'modified-aeration'  treatment by plant



extension south of the present site is in the best interest



of all  involved agencies.



           Water quality has been discussed in general in



Section II of this presentation.   It is the avowed intention

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of the City of New York to pursue studies and research
directed towards improvement in treatment and operating
techniques in an overall endeavor to upgrade treatment poten-
tial and reduce costs.
           In conclusion, Section IV of this presentation
indicates that if the treatment processes at all 'raodified-
aeration1 plants, except for the North River plant, are
converted to 'step-aeration* and that when treatment at the
North River plant is converted from 'short-period aeration'
to 'modified-aeration,' then the combined potential of all
New York City's plants will result in an average overall BOD
removal of about 90$ for the total wastewater of the City of
New York.  This objective is, of course, a far-reaching
departure from the objective of the original Basic Program
developed for the treatment of the city's wastewater.  It
involves considerable reconstruction and expansion of exist-
ing facilities at huge capital costs extending over a con-
siderable length of time.

         V. AUXILIARY  (MARGINAL) WATER POLLUTION CONTROL
                          PROGRAM
           The basic water pollution control program is
designed to cope with gross sewage pollution and has been dis-
cussed in some detail in the preceding sections of this

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presentation.  The auxiliary water pollution control program



is designed to provide the additional protection needed to



insure  safe bathing at New York City's beaches.



           In general, the sewer  system  in New York City is



of the  combined type.  During periods of rainfall, the  flow



through the sewers is a mixture of raw sewage and rain water,



in varying proportions depending  on the  rainfall.  The  sewage



treatment  plants and intercepting sewer  systems are designed



for  about  twice the mean dry weather flow.  During storms,



combined flows in excess of this  amount  are discharged direct-



ly into the receiving waters.  It is estimated that during



severe  storms as much as 98$ of the dry  weather flow reaches



the  receiving waterways.



           The Auxiliary Program  consists of a series of



plants  which would impound, disinfect, settle and degrit



combined overflows in the vicinity of proposed bathing



beaches.  The program covers mainly the  areas of Jamaica Bay,



Eastchester Bay, and the Upper East River, with new beaches



proposed at select locations on the shores of Jamaica Bay



and the Upper East River.  The problem of pollution due to



combined overflows and its solution was  studied by the con-



sultant engineering firm of Greeley and  Hansen.  Their



findings and recommendations are  contained in two reports:



(1)  "Report on Elimination of Marginal  Pollution - Jamaica

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Bay - March 1959" and (2) "Report on Elimination of Marginal



Pollution - Upper East River - July 1959."  These two reports,



separately bound, are part of this presentation.



           The stated objectives of these studies were defined



in part as follows:  "The objective...is to study what steps



should be taken by the City to obtain water of safe quality



so that safe bathing will be possible in the areas outlined



herein..."  The studies suggested remedial measures to the



sewerage system  and recommended the construction of storm



water treatment works to retain and chlorinate overflows.



           The reports further state:



    "A.  The records of analyses indicate that the waters



     at the proposed beach locations generally can be ex-



     pected to be within the quality limitations, during



     long dry periods.



    "B.  Immediately following heavy rainstorms, the



     sanitary quality of the water at the proposed beach



     locations, deteriorates to a condition with counts



     above present standards.



           "These studies have demonstrated the general



     relationship between beach water quality and overflows



     of mingled sewage and 'storm water.  The periodic



     deterioration of quality must be eliminated by treat-



     ment of storm water overflows."

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           The reference to quality limitations is to the
New York City Health Department standard of a B-coli count
not to exceed 2400 per 100 ml. for safe bathing waters.
           On the basis of the data available at that time,
the consultants rightly concluded that safe bathing water
quality could be achieved by retaining and chlorinating
combined overflows in storm water treatment works.  This is,
of course, in addition to the treatment of all dry weather
flow  in sewage treatment plants as proposed under the Basic
Program.
           On the basis of these two reports, the City of
New York engaged Greeley and Hansen to prepare reports on
preliminary designs for:  (1)  The Spring Creek Marginal
Pollution Control Project, (2)  The Brooklyn Marginal Pollu-
tion  Control Project and (3)  The Eastchester Bay Marginal
Pollution Control Project.  Report (1) dated December 1962
covers the studies and the preliminary plans for the Spring
Creek Plant.  Report (2) dated January 1963 covers the studies
and the preliminary plans for the Throgs Neck, Boston Road,
Conner Street and Bushnell Avenue Plants in the Eastchester
Bay area of the Upper East River.
           These reports and preliminary plans are based on
conference agreements between the involved personnel of the
Department of Public Works and the consultants.  They include

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considerable departures from the original concepts of the 1959
reports by the consultants.  The changes include the use of
sodium hypochlorite for disinfection, covered basins for odor
control and appearance, and mechanical means of cleaning the
basins.
           The Spring Creek preliminary design, after
approval by the city, was followed by a contract for the
preparation of final plans and specifications for the construc-
tion of this project.  These plans and specifications are now
completed and start of construction of this project is pending
determination of eligibility for Federal and State aid.
           The city was committed to the program described to
insure safe bathing waters at the location of proposed
beaches.  Unfortunately, however, continued sampling of the
involved waters disclosed a problem concerning the persistent
apparent high level of dry weather coliform counts.  Since
1946 there has been observed a steady rise in the coliform
count in the New York City Harbor, despite the fact that New
York City has steadily increased its sewage treatment facili-
ties under the Basic Program over this same period of time.
The apparent rise in coliform counts is as yet unexplainable
in terms of concomitant population growth or other more readily
perceived factors.  One recognized source of coliform bacteria
has been combined overflows.  Of pertinent interest with

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regard to  conforms  from this source is the fact that during

a period of drought  during the summer of  1964, when storm

waters could not be  blamed as a significant source of coliform

bacteria,  no appreciable reduction  in coliform occurred,

despite that previous  die-away studies of coliforras predicted

a decrease in  coliform density.
           Inasmuch  as it was expected that the proposed

construction of combined overflow treatment plants would re-

move  a major source  of coliform bacteria  and hence make

possible new bathing beaches at proposed  locations in Jamaica

Bay and the Upper East River, the Department of Public Works

felt  that  prior to undertaking construction of the storm over-

flow  plants it would be prudent to  seek more definite informa-

tion  with  regards to coliform densities and survival in the

New York harbor over the past 20 years.

           New York  University was  engaged to study and

evaluate the New York  harbor coliform density problem with

the objective  of determining from the available data for the

period of  time  in question, whether the apparent rise in

coliform bacteria density has in effect occurred, and if data

analysis so indicated, the study would then be shifted to

determine  the possible cause or causes of the increased

coliform density in the New York Harbor.  The New York

University study was completed and a report^entitled "New

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York Harbor Coliform Density Pollution Study," dated December
1966, was submitted to the city.
           The study based on an extensive analysis of coli-
form data collected by the New York City Department of Public
Works (New York Harbor Pollution Survey) is summarized in
part as follows:
           "(1)  The apparent rise in coliform densities
      is real, meaningful and significant.
            (2)  The coliform die-away rates in the harbor
      waters have not changed significantly.
           (3)  A definitive explanation for the coliform
      rise is not apparent."
           Part of the summary  indicates that  "there is an
obvious lack of basic information regarding the ecology of
the harbor."
           The report recommends that,
           "(1)  The harbor survey program conducted by
      the City of New York be continued and extended to
      include improved data processing methods and
      electronic calculations;
           (2)  A program to determine the effectiveness
      of coliform removal by biological, physical,  or
      chemical treatment  processes be initiated;
           (3)  The  installation of effective  coliform

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       reduction facilities  at wastewater treatment  plants
       discharging to New York harbor waters  be  included
       in pollution abatement planning;
            (4)   An ecological base  line  for  the New York
       harbor waters be established;
            (5)   further investigation of harbor pollution
       should not be solely  concerned  with any one individu-
       al parameter, but rather should be conducted  on the
       basis that the harbor is a single  unified ecological
       system."
 In essence, the New York University study validated the
 harbor survey data collected  by the Department  of Public Works
            The  "New York Harbor Pollution Survey" and the
 "New York University Report"  are separately  bound and made a
 part of this presentation.
            In view of the foregoing,  the Department of Public
 Works  did not deem it prudent to commit  large sums  of New
 York City's money to the  "Auxiliary Water Pollution Control
 Program"  until  more definitive answers are obtained regarding
 the problem of -increased  coliform densities and estuarine
pollution,  in general, and, in particular, as the problem
applies to  the  pollution  of the New York harbor waters, and
with special  emphasis placed  on the problem of  pollution in
Jamaica Bay.

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           It is the established policy of the City of New



York to develp  Jamaica Bay as a recreational area.  The



Department of Parks of the City of New York has expended



large sums of money to promote the development of parks,
   X


marinas, and other recreational facilities in the Jamaica Bay



area.  This department has a huge program for beach develop-



ment in this area which has been deferred pending the resolu-



tion by the Department of Public Works of the necessary



"Auxiliary Water Pollution Control Program" to insure safe



bathing water quality in Jamaica Bay.



           The Department of Public Works intends to construct



the Spring Creek Auxiliary Water Pollution Control Project



as a prototype installation and start of the construction of



this project is pending declaration of eligibility for Federal



and State aid.  This aid should be shortly forthcoming.



Together with the construction of the Spring Creek project,



the Department of Public Works has applied for Federal aid



under the "Demonstration Grant" and  "research and development"



programs to explore  "in-depth" all phenomena involved in the



problem of estuarine pollution, as it applies, in general,



and it applies, in particular, to the New York Harbor complex.



Special emphasis will be placed on the Jamaica Bay area with



a detailed "before"  and  "after" surveillance of the waters



of  Spring Creek and  Jamaica Bay to determine the influence

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 of combined  overflow treatment at  the  Spring Creek Auxiliary
 Water  Pollution Control  Project  on the immediate  environment
 of Spring Creek, together with its influence on Jamaica Bay
 in regards to water  quality.
           The evaluation of  the Spring Creek Plant as a
 prototype installation will serve  as a basis for  all  future
 "auxiliary"  plants.
           We seek the answers to  problems which  are  national
 in scope.  We can determine at least some of the  answers here.
 A fundamental knowledge  of  the specific factors contributing
 to estuarine pollution and  the ecological forces  affecting
 the New York harbor  complex, as  well as the  Jamaica Bay area,
 is necessary for any reliable water resources  planning.  All
 of these  factors  must be  explored  "in  depth" and  will be made
 part of the  proposed  study.
           The  objectives of the proposed study can be
 summarized as  follows:   (1)  to  evaluate the operation of
 the Spring Creek Water Pollution Control Project  as a proto-
 type installation, as a means of solving the problems of
 combined overflow discharges; (2) to evaluate  the effect of
 the Spring Creek  Projects on the water  quality and biota of
 Spring Creek, considering Spring Creek  as a  tidal basin;
 (3) to evaluate the effect of the Spring Creek Project on the
water quality and biota of Jamaica Bay, considering Jamaica

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Bay is an entity; (4) to make an "in-depth" study of the
interactions of various sources of pollution such as treat-
ment plant outfalls, sanitary landfills, combined sewage
disqharges, etc., considering the entire New York City
estuarine system; (5) to relate increase of dry weather coli-
forra densities, evidenced in the last decade to specific
causes.  The material submittd for Federal aid in connection
with this study is separately bound and made a part of this
presentation.
           In conclusion, Section V of this presentation
indicates that an "in-depth" study of all factors involved
in estuarine pollution  is required before definitive steps
are taken to progress the "Auxiliary Water Pollution Control
Program" to insure waters of safe quality and to permit
construction of new beaches on the shores of Jamaica Bay and
the Upper East River.

                  GENERAL CONCLUSIONS
           Section II of this presentation indicates an over-
all BOD reduction of better than 80# in the city's wastewater
can be achieved under the Basic Program as originally  proposed,
           Section III  of this presentation indicates  that
by consolidation of plants in the Borough of Richmond  it is
possible to reduce the  total number of plants required under

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the Basic Program from 18 to 15.
           Section IV of this presentation indicates a
possible overall BOD removal of approximately 9°# in the
city's total wastewater can be achieved with the North River
Project designed as a  'modified-aeration' plant and all other
plants in the city's system designed for  'step-aeration1
treatment.  This, of course, can only be possible at con-
siderable cost.  If the cost involved in making an overall
BOD removal of 90# proves to be excessive, an interim program,
say to achieve an overall BOD removal of 85#, may be possible
at a more reasonable cost.  Ultimate decisions on such pro-
posals must be deferred until the program to treat all the
city's wastewater is consummated as originally planned under
the Basic Program.  The City of New York is committed to
complete this Basic Program by 1972.  Significant departures
from this program will be costly and time-consuming and will
interfere with meeting this commitment and must, of necessity,
be deferred to a period past 1972.  In the meantime, the
city will pursue feasibility studies to consolidate treatment
plants and to upgrade treatment potential.
           Section V of this presentation indicates that an
"in-depth" study of all facets of estuarine pollution is re-
quired before committing large sums of money to progress the
'Auxiliary Water Pollution Program' to treat combined overflows
at locations of proposed bathing beaches on the shores of
Jamaica Bay and the Upper East River.

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 SCHEDULE A - Revision No. 2  - October, 196?

SHOWING COMPLETION SCHEDULE FOR NEW YORK CITT-

        BASIC WATER POLLUTION PROGRAM

                     PHASE

            Ormipl.ol.n oonnl,ruol,:lon of Flint
            Drooklyn 'Jiiburcaptorn Completed
            Except Contract 1A -
            Johnson Ave. Interceptor

            Complete construction of
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            Interceptors - Manhattan
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forth River-Intercept or a
           Plant
Oakwood Beach-Interceptor
           Plant Extension
Oils Head (Chlorination)
tort Richmond-Bloomfield
            Interceptors
           Plant Alterations
           and Additions
            Start construction

            Complete construction

            Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Complete construction

            Prelim, plans - complete
            Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Complete construction

            Prelim, plans
            Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Complete construction

            Phase 1 - Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Complete construction

            Phase 2 - Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Complete construction

            Submit prelim, plans E. Br.
            Submit final plans
            Submit final plans
            Submit final plans
            Start construction
            Start construction
            Start construction
            Complete construction W,Br«
            Complete construction E.Br* Cont.
            Complete construction E.Br, Cont.

            Submit prelim, plans
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DRAINAGE-AREA

Red Hook    Interceptors
            Plant
Tottenville
Wards Island
Welfare Island
Fresh Kills
        PHASE

Submit final plans for N. Br.
Submit final plans for S. Br.
Start construction N. Br.
Start construction S. Br.
Complete construction N. Br.
Complete construction S. Br.

Submit prelim, plans
Submit final plans
Start construction
Complete construction

Submit prelim, plans
Submit final plans
Start construction
Complete constraction

Complete construction of
Riverdale-Karble Hill project

Submit final plans for rehabilitation
of Bronx and Manhattan Grit Chambers
Start construction
Complete construction

All  other  contracts
Submit final plans for expansion
of Wards Island Sewage Treatment Plant
Start construction of plant  expansion
Complete construction

Submit prelim, plans
Submit final plans
Start construction
Complete construction

Submit prelim, plans
Submit final plans
Start construction
Complete construction
  DATE

  Kay  1968
  Jan. 1969
  Sept.1968
  May  1969
  Mar. 1971
  May  1972

  July 1968
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  Jan.  1971
  Dec.  1972

  Jan.  1967
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           (The prepared statement of Commissioner Hult
is as follows:
           The magnitude of the New York City Water Pollution
Control Program can be demonstrated by this simple statement
— yesterday flow was started through the newest of our
thirteen modern plants — Newtown Creek — a single plant
with the capability of affording secondary treatment for the
wastewater of 2,500,000 people.
           Placing the Newtown Creek Plant "on stream"
moves the City another giant step toward the fulfillment of
our pledge to this Conference, to the State of New York, and
to the Interstate Sanitation Commission — effective biological
treatment of 100$ of the dry weather wastewater flow of New
York City by 1972,  The City's plants are now treating 900
million gallons per day of the daily wastewater flow of 1.3
billion gallons.
           The focus of attention of this Conference is
properly on the Hudson River.  However, the entire estuarine
complex of the City is so interrelated, with each main water-
way affecting each other and with the Upper Bay serving as
a mixing and distribution body, that it is necessary to review
the entire concept of New York City's program in order to
meaningfully concern ourselves with the Hudson River.
           The City of New York hopes that this Conference

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will hasten programs similar to ours in the other communi-



ties which share our waterways, so that their treatment



facilities will be completed concurrently with the completion



of our basic program.  At that time our waters will be free



of nuisance conditions, the dissolved oxygen levels will rise,



marine life will thrive, and the rigorous State stream



standards will be met.  I look beyond that, however, to a new



second phase of our continuing effort.



           As in many cities, most of our sewers are of the



11 combined"type, with the same pipes which convey the dry



weather sanitary flows also handling the huge volumes of



storm water.  In such systems, during rainfall there are in-



evitable overflows into the surrounding waters — storm water



contaminated with diluted sewage.  Such overflows in recrea-



tional waters deter the upgrading of existing beaches, the



restoration of condemned beaches, and the creation of new



beaches.



           The administration of this City has already taken



the first step to become the leader in creating new beaches



in the heart of a sprawling metropolis.  We have completed the



design of the first prototype "Auxiliary Water Pollution



Control Plant," to be constructed at Spring Creek on Jamaica



Bay at a cost of 12 million dollars.  It is the forerunner



of a series of- sophisticated, highly instrumented facilities

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designed to impound, settle and disinfect storm flows.  These
will ring selected sites of high recreational potential such
as Jamaica Bay and Eastchester Bay.  This prototype has been
approved by the Federal Water Pollution Control Administra-
tion and the New York State Department of Health for construc-
tion aid, and we can proceed immediately to construction as
soon as Federal approval to advertise the construction con-
tracts is received.  To further set the stage for the imple-
mentation of this program, the City administration has already
undertaken drainage studies to eliminate pollution from the
presently unsewered community of Broad Channel in Jamaica Bay.
           The second phase is no timid, halting undertaking.
My staff has won enthusiastic support from the New York State
Department of Health for an accompanying "in depth" scientific
study of all factors which bear upon the quality of bathing
waters.  This study will utilize a selected team of chemists,
bacteriologists and marine biologists, initially concentrating
on the area affected by the Spring Creek project.  Indeed, the
State has voluntarily offered to contribute to this study*
Fruitful conferences on this have been held with the  Federal
Water Pollution Control Demonstration Grant Program,  and the
Federal approval is awaited, so that this study can proceed
concurrently with the Spring Creek prototype evaluation.
           There is now even a third phase of the City program.

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New York City remains constantly attuned to the fluid, changing



technology of environmental protection.  The Bureau of Water



Pollution Control of the Department of Public Works, the arm



of the City which Implements the water pollution control



program, has actually made many of the major contributions to



the new techniques for more effective or more economical



treatment, such as step aeration, modified aeration, mixed



sludge thickening, and high rate digestion.  As a matter of



fact, the current Journal of the Water Pollution Control



Association  features the fact that New York City is the first



major metropolis to Introduce the effective use of safe sodium



hypochlorite for effluent disinfection to protect the dense



population from the hazards of the transportation, storage,



and use of liquid chlorine.  Because we are leaders and



innovators, we have already begun the third phase of our



effort, namely, the upgrading of the treatment potential of



some of our existing plants.  The basic program provides for



an overall city-wide average removal of over 8o# of the



Biochemical Oxygen Demand of the treated wastewater.  Pre-



liminary work is proceeding now on feasibility studies for



such upgrading, with priority given to such plants as Coney



Island and Owls Head, affecting the Coney Island and Sea Gate



area.  Such upgrading will enhance BOD removals to above 90#.



Thus the City is preparing to do, in the future, what it has

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always done in the past, to go beyond the minimum requirements



of all the regulatory agencies.



           Let us now consider each of these three phases in



some detail.  Please bear in mind that even before the comple-



tion of the basic program in 1972, the first step of the



auxiliary program will take place in 1967, and the initial



designs of the third phase will be under way in 1968.  The



City will not rest on its laurels in the early 1970's, but



will be moving toward the goals of the 1980's.



           The basic program is, of course, the prime concern



of this conference.  In  1931, long before Federal participa-



tion was envisaged, this City, with its wastewater discharging



not into a potable watershed, but into a salt water estuarine



complex, began its construction program,  Despite the stringen-



cies of the Depression,  the City taxpayers built 500 million



gallons per day  of treatment capacity between 1931 and 19^5



at a cost of 67  million  dollars.  In the post-war resumption,



between 1948 and 1957, another 400 million gallons per day



capacity was added for 117 million dollars.  At this point,



post-war massive population shifts to the periphery of the



City compelled us to give precedence to  increasing the



capacity and improving the treatment at  existing plants.  A



classic instance is the  Rockaway Plant,  completed in the  fall



of 1952, which was doubled in capacity by 1961.  Between  1958

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and up to this week when the influent sluice gates open at



Newtown Creek, a further 450 million gallons per day capacity



was added at a cost of 223 million dollars.



           The already existing facilities, with a treatment



potential of 1.35 billion gallons per day, would cost three-



quarters of a billion dollars at current cost indices.



           Of course, the facilities are designed for the



projected flows in their respective drainage areas for the



next twenty to thirty years, and provision must also be made



for areas not yet completely sewered.  But already 900 million



gallons per day are now being treated, of which 892 million



gallons per day are receiving biological secondary treatment.



           Of the thirteen plants, six are designed for the



step aeration process, which New York City experience shows



has consistently yielded 9296 removal of the raw Biochemical



Oxygen Demand (BOD).  These plants are Wards Island, Hunts



Point, 26th Ward, Jamaica, Tallman Island, and Bowery Bay,



with a combined capacity of 600 MOD.  Although some of these



plants are now operated only seasonally to their full design



intent, in 1966 we committed ourselves to operate them to full



removal potential the year round within the next two years.



           The other seven plants are virtually all presently



designed for the "modified aeration" process to yield removals



in the 70# range.  We will go beyond this in our third phase,

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as I will soon explain.

           With the additional plants to be built by 1972,

as set forth to this Conference in 1965 and as committed in

1966 to the New York State Department of Health, the overall

pollutant removal of New York City's wastewater in 1972 will

initially be 80#.  Although complete documentation on all

projected facilities is being submitted to this Conference,

I would like to describe the status of the remaining major

plants to be built.

           The "last frontier" of New York City — Staten

Island — already has the Port Richmond and Oakwood Beach

Plants, both in their  "first stage."  The City's original

Master Plan envisaged four  other small plants in still lightly

populated areas, Bloomfield, Tottenville, Fresh Kills and

Eltingville.  We now find it feasible to immediately proceed

with the interception and treatment of flows  from these  areas

by an economical system of  pumping stations and force mains

to the two  "super plants."  Port Richmond will be expanded

from a 10 MGD primary plant to a 60 MGD step  aeration plant,

embodying the most modern facilities for effective effluent

hypochlorination.  The Oakwood Beach Plant will be doubled  in

capacity up to 30 MGD, and  ultimately to 60 MGD with complete

facilities  for step aeration.  Negotiations for design work

for both of these are  in active progress right now.  Particular

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emphasis is being placed on effluent dispersion patterns



of Oakwood Beach to insure complete corapatability with all



future plans for the restoration and upgrading of the Staten



Island beaches.



           The Red Hook Plant will be built as a step aera-



tion facility on the Brooklyn shorefront on the Lower East



River.  This upgrading of the original design will, of course,



require greater site area, even with our design goals of com-



pact, fully-utilized sites.  Searching scrutiny is now being



given to the maximum utilization of precious Brooklyn shore-



front area by erecting this plant as a contiguous facility



with a Department of Sanitation Incinerator and Marine Trans-



fer Station.  Firm decisions will be made by the end of this



year.  Meanwhile, the interceptor design for this plant is



well on schedule, with some portions ready for contract.



           When the designs of the North River Plant and much



of its interceptors were virtually complete, Mayor Lindsay



ordered an independent engineering and architectural appraisal



of this 200 million dollar project.  This was done to insure



that this  "short-period" aeration plant — an extremely com-



pact design — would be not only compatible with the then



proposed, but not yet promulgated, new New York State Class



I standard, but also to insure its complete esthetic com-



patibility with the neighboring community and to insure

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making a positive contribution to the offshore vista of the



Hudson shoreline.  The engineering analysis affirmed the



adequacy of the design and even predicated that this plant,



by itself, would raise the Hudson, within the City line, to



the State standard.  The eminent Architect, Philip Johnson,



was retained and the Mayor ordered a new bold exterior treat-



ment consistent with his position of improved architecture on



all public projects.  We are now ready to proceed with State



approval.  The changes in design to incorporate this urban



beautification will delay initial plant construction only



until the summer of 1968, but one section of the interceptor



is already under contract and designs on other sections are



well in hand.



           For the basic program as a whole, New York City



entered into a stipulation in November 1965, with the State of



New York incorporating a timetable for completion of all com-



ponents.  Since then, certain changes became appropriate.  The



necessary lead time for the Federal Water Pollution Control



Administration review of projects, a prerequisite before even



advertising contracts, had to be built into this schedule.



In addition, the new commitments of the City for step aeration



at Port Richmond, Oakwood Beach, and particularly Red Hook,



called for revisions of target dates.  Also, the City acceded



to recent State requests for the provision of effluent

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hypochlorination facilities in all plants, even those not



directly affecting recreational waters.  All of these changes



have been incorporated in a revised stipulation, to be signed



within a week or so.



           The second phase of our effort to cope with com-



bined sewer overflows will serve the country as a whole be-



cause of the close scientific scrutiny of the prototype



Spring Creek Plant.  New York City conducts harbor surveys



each summer, with data going back to 1909.  This continuous



compilation of data enabled our process control engineers to



discern an abnormal Increase in coliform population in the



last ten years.  An exhaustive statistical study by New York



University confirmed the validity of our observations.  Since



this is of significance to all coastal cities, and since this



phenomenon manifested itself at a time when the eutrophication



of  inland waters became apparent, Federal aid was sought to



investigate all factors related to estuarine coliform popula-



tions.  This would include the effects of synthetic detergents,



the need for phosphate and other nutrient enrichment, non-fecal



coliform sources, the possible role of algae in a symbiotic



relationship with bacterial flora, a quantitative assessment



of all marine biota in the zone of influence of the Spring



Creek Plant, before and after construction.  Other parameters,



such as the effect of leaching from sanitary landfills and

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the effect of dredging and filling on tidal exchanges in
Jamaica Bay will be included.  All this, of course, is in
addition to the basic monitoring of the Auxiliary Plant in
its effective reduction of coliform contributions from im-
pounded and treated combined storm overflow.
           This Conference is most earnestly requested to
expedite the Federal approval for this study, since data
derived in 1968 will be invaluable in the "before and after"
evaluation of the Spring Creek Auxiliary Plant.
           The foresight of the City engineers has made
possible the new third phase.  At a time when all regulatory
agencies, including the Interstate Sanitation Commission and
the New York State Department of Health, approved plain sedi-
mentation plants, our designers, like the fellow in the poker
game who said, "I'll see you, and raise you," insisted on
providing secondary biological treatment.  In many instances,
back in the 1930's and 1940's, they also fought for and ob-
tained sites with the capability of expansion to treat more
flows, and treat to a higher degree.
           Their foresight made it possible to not only
increase the Jamaica Plant from 65 MGD to 100 MOD, but to add
primary tanks and additional aerators and upgrade its treat-
ment capacity from modified aeration to full step aeration
removal.  They made it possible to convert Coney Island from

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a primary treatment plant with chemical coagulation to a



biological modified aeration plant, and they made possible the



second stage of Wards Island, now under design, increasing



its step-aeration capacity from 220 MGD to 290 MOD, at the



same time adding to this old plant modern thickening and



digestion facilities.  Similar extensions were made to Bowery



Bay, tripling its capacity, as well as Hunts Point, Tallman



Island and Rockaway.



           The 160 MGD Owls Head and the 110 MGD Coney Island



Plants will be converted to step aeration, by maximum utiliza-



tion of existing sites, even though our original commitment



to this Conference did not call for this at all.  Although



the first phase construction takes priority over this, we are



already starting the feasibility studies for this new wave



of construction, scheduled for the early 1970's.  In 1968 we



will also begin a vigorous development and pilot program to



improve the modified aeration removal efficiency in the



Newtown Creek Plant.  The pilot studies will be conducted



in the Rockaway Plant and money has already been authorized



to initiate this.  Thus, we are now preparing  for the undoubted-



ly more rigorous requirements that will come in the future.



           I think it appropriate, in the presence of both



Federal and State representatives, to consider the impact of



their respective aid programs.  In 1965, the Mayor of New York

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City pointed out to your first session that in the years from



1957 to 1965, 223 million dollars were spent by the City of



New York with reimbursements of 3-^ million dollars from the



State of New York, limited to design and borings.  Approxi-



mately 2.3 million dollars in Federal aid was obtained for



construction, under such limited authorizations as existed



prior to the Water Quality Act of 1965.



           Since 1965 under the New York State Pure Water



Bond Act 65 million dollars of the Newtown Creek construction



was declared eligible for aid to the amount of 60$, or 39



million dollars*  Of this the City has already received 31



million dollars from the State of New York.  Direct Federal



aid constituted 0.15#, the maximum then allowed of $250,000



under existing Federal legislation.



           Reimbursement for the remainder of the Basic and



Auxiliary Water Pollution Abatement Programs will be under



the New York State Pure Water Bond Act of 1965 and the



Federal Clean Waters Restoration Act of 1966.  It is antici-



pated that eligible design and construction costs will be



approximately one billion dollars by 1972.  Under the New York



State Act, 30# of the eligible cost of construction and design



is reimbursible, with provisions for pre-financing up to an



additional 30# of the Federal share, in the event that



Federal funds for this program are unavailable.  It is

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anticipated that under a reimbursement clause in the Federal
Act this money will be returned to New York State.  On
current projects filed, total costs amount to approximately
225 million dollars, of which allotments of State aid are
approximately 131 million dollars and Federal aid approximately
4 million dollars, for a total of 135 million dollars, or 60#
of the total cost.  However, it should be mentioned that
under the Federal Act, up to 55# of the eligible costs of a
project are potentially reimbursible, which, when added to the
State share of 30#, would total 8556.  These Federal funds are
not presently available.  This Conference is requested to con-
vey to the Federal authorities the urgency for appropriations
commensurate with the intent of the authorizations and
realistically related to the actual needs.
           I am now turning over to this Conference a posi-
tion paper on the scope of our program, the Revised "Schedule
A" stipulation for our basic program, and a detailed timetable
for the sequence of all construction for the next five years
which involves State and Federal approval and participation.
Thank you for the opportunity to present our New York City
story.)
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           MR. STEIN:  Are there any comments or questions?
           MR. METZLER:  I would like to compliment you,

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Commissioner,  on this kind of a statenent.   There has been no



place in the country that has seen this kind or this size of



program put together before.  This is a first.



           I want to ask this:  This timetable  also appears



to be a realistic one, and it is very complicated as you



think of all of the factors that are involved here.



           I have been concerned in the past about whether we



actually have the contracting and the engineering capability



to move this much construction this fast.



           Would you mind commenting on that?  Do you think



there is enough?



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  I see no problem with the



engineering.  We have plenty of large qualified engineering



firms here in the City of New York that we can draw on.  They



have all been involved in the preliminary studies of the



projects that we have under way.  As I said, the North River



Plant is already finished by those engineers.



           The question of available construction forces is



a problem perhaps, but it is going to be necessary and part



of my job to wine and dine some of the general contractors



and large contractors who will be finishing these big buildings



around town to convince them that there is money in the water,



or around the water.



           MR. METZLER:  Well, my only other comment is to

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say this would not have been possible, I know, and I know



you recognize this, without the fine professional staff that



New York City has built up over the years, and I hope that



you can expand the staff which you will need for the treat-



ment side  of the maintenance and operation of the plants.



            COMMISSIONER HULT:  If I can comment on that, if



you people don't stop  taking ray people away, I'm going to be



out of business.   (Laughter)



            We are finding that public works is a great train-



ing ground for engineers, particularly in this area of water



pollution, and more and more inquiries are coming in, and I



am going to have to turn them down with a threat of civil



service excommunication, or something.  (Laughter)



            MR. STEIN:  Are there any other comments or



questions ?



            (No response.)



            MR. STEIN:  I think, Mr. Hult, that you probably



do know that in this field, your group in design and main-



tenance and operation  is regarded as high as any in the



country, and I think it is a compliment that these people are



taken.



            You know, in many areas of this business, when someone



talks about a 90 percent plant, if we begin examining what they



get, we find they are  getting in the 80's or maybe three or

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four 90's in the course of the year.  When they talk about
an 80 percent plant, they are getting in the 70's and 60's.
           When your people design for an 80 percent capacity,
for example, and they maintain that rate, they get as close
to 80 or the design capacity as anyone in the country, and I
think this is indeed a compliment for New York and something
that is not often recognized.
           It is not Just what you put down on paper that
counts, although the design group is excellent here as well,
but it is the way it is built and the way it is run.
           I think the openness of your records and what you
do is something that the rest of the country can look to and
emulate.
           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Mr. Chairman, I appreciate
your very kind comments.  I am sure that tomorrow morning I
will have all the fellows sitting in the audience outside my
door asking for a raise.  (Laughter)
           MR. STEIN:  If I have done that, I will repeat what
I Just said.
           COMMISSIONER HULT:  But, seriously, what we do is
a team effort.  It can only be done with the engineers from
the New York State Department of Health and the Federal people,
and your office, as well as the regional offices around.
           I know the value of this kind of operation.  They

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can make it tough for us, and we can make it tough for them.




If we work together, we are all going to come out in 1972




with a clean river.




           MR. STEIN: Right.



           Now, I am very sympathetic to your project in



Jamaica Bay.  As a matter of fact, this is one of the great




water pollution metropolitan projects that we can put into



effect and see the result.




           Here we have a potential beach, swimming and



recreational area right near a city, within subway distance



of most of the metropolitan area, that cannot be used.  Un-




less we get some research to handle the stormwater problem,




I am not sure, even putting in the kind of waste treatment




facilities we are considering now, whether we can use it; but




if we can reclaim this tremendous potential swimming area,




we will probably be able to demonstrate that we have been




able to give New York one of the greatest gifts possible.




           I grew up here.  I know Spring Creek very well.



           COMMISSIONER HULT:  Well, thank you.




           MR. STEIN:  Thank you very much.



           MR. METZLER:  At this point, Mr. Chairman, the




presentation of the New York State Health Department will have

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two persons speaking for New York.



           First, we will have Mr. Arthur Handley, who will



make a report on the progress in the two-year period, supple-



menting the remarks which Governor Rockefeller made, and



then, following that,  Mr. Shaffer, to give some further



dimensions of the financing problem.



           Mr. Handley.








           STATEMENT OP ARTHUR  HANDLEY,  ASSOCIATE



           DIRECTOR, DIVISION OP  PURE WATER, NEW



               YORK STATE HEALTH  DEPARTMENT








           MR. HANDLEY:  Chairman Stein, Conferees,  Ladies



and  Gentlemen:



           New York State has prepared  a report on its



progress.  We would like to enter this  into  the record,  if



possible.



           MR. STEIN:  Yes.  This report will  be  entered



 into the  record,  without objection,  as  if read.



            (The  following  is  the  Progress Report  of Water



 Pollution Control of New York State:)

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                    PROGRESS REPORT



                WATER POLLUTION CONTROL




                     NEW YORK STATE




                SEPT. 1965 - SEPT. 1967






                THE LOWER HUDSON RIVER




                  AND ITS TRIBUTARIES



                DIVISION OP PURE WATERS



          NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH




                     SEPTEMBER 196?








                        PREFACE




           The first federal enforcement conference on pollu-




tion of the Lower Hudson River and its tributaries was con-




vened in New York City on September 28, 1965.  This report




reviews New York State water pollution control activities in



the two year period from September 1965 to date.



           Many developments in the administratives, legis-




lative and financial portions of the State's water pollution




control program, which were proposals at the time of the



original conference, have now become working realities.  Key



changes include voter approval in November 1965 of the $1



billion construction grant program, implementation of a

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strengthened enforcement program, organization of a Division



of Pure Waters in the State Health Department, passage of



outlet registration and boat pollution control legislation,



and the organization of the State Pure Waters Authority.



           Accelerated water pollution control activity and



the implementation of new programs during the past two years



have served to further establish the State's leadership in



the federal-state-local municipal effort required to abate



water pollution.  This report to the conferees briefly reviews



New York State water pollution control activities in the



Lower Hudson River drainage basin.



                                   Albany, New York



                                   September 20, 196?








                       ACTIVITY SUMMARY



           Since September 1965, the State has  initiated the




following activity:



           1.  Executed  9 construction grant  contracts with



municipalities to construct wastewater treatment facilities.



Applications approved and being processed total 28, with State



grants estimated at $186 million, as compared to $12 million



in federal grants (see Table  1, page 4).



           2.  Completed 53 actions resulting in formal pollu-



tion abatement orders  (see Table 2, page  6).  All major

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polluters are under order.
           3.  Accelerated utility planning by (a) coordinat-
ing programs with the Hudson River Valley Commission which
has a total planning responsibility for the Hudson Valley;
(b)  completed, under the auspices of the State Conservation
Department, a multi-purpose water resources survey of the
entire state; (c) have 8 public water supply studies completed
or under way for areas including a population of 9-3 million;
(d) have 38 sewerage need studies completed or under way for
areas with a population of 3 million.  The State investment
for water supply and sewerage studies totals $3.2 million.
(See Table 3, page 18.)
           4.  Submitted Water Quality Standards.  The State
prepared and submitted water quality standard reports as
required by the 1965 Water Pollution Control Act for the en-
tire state, including the Lower Hudson River.  These standards
have been approved by the Secretary of the Interior.  Approval
of the standards makes the municipalities of the state
eligible for an additional 10 percent construction grant.
(Note this additional eligibility is discussed in the construc-
tion grant portion of this report. )
           5.  Water Quality Surveillance.  An automatic
water quality monitor nas been installed at Glenmont, New
York.  A second is planned for installation in the vicinity

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of Bear Mountain this year.  Manual sampling stations are
operated at 5 locations on the river.
           6.  Issued 55 operating permits to municipalities
and/or industries operating new or expanded collection and
treatment facilities.  These facilities serve 2.8 million
people and construction costs total $166 million.  (See
Table 4, page 19.)
           7.  Organized a Division of Pure Waters within
the New York State Health Department.  The Division of Pure
Waters consists of sanitary and construction engineers,
scientists, administrators, engineering technicians and
supporting clerical services.  The Central Office staff totals
148 persons.  Increased staffing at the Department's New York
City and White Plains Regional Offices was effected.
           8.  Implemented the sewage treatment plant main-
tenance and operation grant program.  This incentive program
has spurred improved treatment plant operation with resultant
water quality improvement.  In the lower Hudson River basin,
exclusive of New York City, 46 municipalities qualified  in
1965 for grants totaling $490,000.  To date, 36 applications
have been approved totaling $381,500 for 1966.  There are
6 New York City plants in  the area of conference concern.
These have been approved,  receiving grants of approximately
$2.3 million in 1965 and 1966.

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           9.  Proceeded with the second year of a three-



year intensive study of the water quality and assimilative



capacity of the Hudson River.  The study will provide the



State with a flexible, computerized, analytical model of the



response of the Hudson River to the discharge of any organic,



thermal, toxic or other waste effluent.  The computerized



River representation developed will provide the State with



a powerful tool for the rapid evaluation of alternative abate-



ment programs.  To date, both steady state and time dependent



models for conservative and non-conservative pollutants and



water quality characteristics have been constructed, pro-



grammed, de-bugged and verified for BOD and DO.

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          Table i
  LOWER HUDSON RIVER BASIN
CONSTRUCTION GRANTS PROJECTS
     September 15, 1967
Project
Number
317
377
258
86
178
357
166
214
363
378
340
265
368
352
208
53
364
362
294
282
244
Eligible
Project Cost
Applicant - County
Colonie (T), Albany
Colonie (T), Albany
Hudson (C), Columbia
Newt own Creek, N.Y.C.
North River, N.Y.C.
Owl's Head, N.Y.C.
Tallmans Island, N.Y.C.
Wards Island, N.Y.C.
Wards Island, N.Y.C.
Arlington SD, Dutchess
Wappinger (T), Dutchess
Cornwall (T), Orange
Cornwall (T), (V), Orange
Goshen (V), Orange
Montgomery (V), Orange
Newburgh (C), Orange
New Windsor (T), Orange
Walden (V), Orange
Washingtonville (V), Orange
Carmel (T), Putnam
Cold Spring (v), Putnam
Federal
200,000
600,000
1,105,170
162,924,041
220,000,000
123,000
6,427,000
1,460,000
1,031,500
2,400,000
88,000
157,805
954,800
750,000
320,000
5,683,000
1,650,000
300,000
512,000
442,000
500,000
State
200,000
600,000
1,105,170
64,488,733
220,000,000
123,000
304,114
1,405,147
1,031,500
2,400,000
88,000
157,805
954,800
750,000
8,300
5,683,000
1,650,000
300,000
512,000
442,000
500,000
Grant
Federal
60,000
6,000
331,550
250,000
2,000,000
36,900
250,000
438,000
100,000
24,000
3,520
47,340
38,192
40,000
160,000
477,320
66,000
99,000
168,960
132,600
144,300
Amount
State
60,000
354,000
331,550
38,596,507
130,000,000
36,900
170,638
421 , 544
518,947
1,416,000
47 , 280
47,342
534,688
410,000
2,500
2,932,480
924,000
90,000
153,600
132,600
155,700
                                                                          N?
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                                               Table 1   (cont'd)
                                           LOWER HUDSON RIVER BASIN
                                         CONSTRUCTION GRANTS PROJECTS
                                              September 15,  1967
o>
Project
Number
176
275
290
9
274
268
232
388*
389
Eligible
Project Cost
Applicant - County
Orangetown (T), Rockland
Orangetown (T), Rockland
Orangetown (T), Rockland
Piermont (V), Rockland
Rockland Co. SD#1, Rockland
Stony Point (T), Rockland
Ellenville, Ulster
Total
Albany Co. SD, Albany
Rensselaer Co. SD, Rensselaer
Federal
633,800
242,200
3,533,600
357,900
22,521,000
1,619,200
315,776
433,938,792
38,253,000
18.000,000
State
29,000
242,200
3,533,600
357,900
22,521,000
1,619,200
145,427
328,228,896
38,253,000
18,000,000
Grant
Federal
183,810
79,920
1,166,080
107,370
5,087,313
421,740
94,730
11,787,325
382,530
180,000
Amount
State
9,000
72,660
1,060,080
107,370
8,425,287
549,780
43,628
186,077,601
22,569,270
10.620,000
                  Sub-Total
 56,253,000    56,253,000
   562,530    33,189,270
                  GRAND TOTAL
490,191,792   384,481,896
12,349,855   219,266,871
       Application being prepared
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                                    ENFORCEMENT STATUS, Sept. 1, 1967

                                           HUDSON RIVER BASIN

Table Explanation

     Location - municipal subdivision location of non-municipal entities.  (l) - Town, (V) - Village,  (c) - City

     Ownership:  Individual - multiple private discharges; no sanitary sewers; community not legally responsible.
                              If the community fails to install a municipal system, individuals must abate pollu-
                              tion individually or collectively.

     Pop. or Flow - 1960 census population of community if known, residency and employment of institution, or
                    industrial waste flow of corporation.

     Abatement Status

                    A - Under Commissioner's Orders

                    B - Hearing noticed to establish Commissioner's Order

                    C - Hearing to be noticed during 1967

                    D - Under Department directive (voluntary compliance)

                    1 - Identified
                    2 - Initial conference held
                    3 - Schedule established
                    4 - Solution established via preliminary report approval (including special study)
                    5 - Final plans submitted and approved
                    6 - Under construction
                    7 - Completion of construction, installation of. facilities or internal modifications
                    8 - Abatement partially achieved
                    9 - Abatement achieved

     Ordered construction completion - completion date of needed construction, established by Commissioner's Order

     Voluntary construction completion - completion date of needed construction, established by Department direc-
                                         tive 4/1/72 (expiration date of State grant program) indicates latest
                                         possible date; negotiations under way to establish finite schedule.

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Bast* Source 	 	 	
Location
Lower Hudson River Drainage Basin
Northslde & S. D. #2
Mohawk Paper Mill*
Cluett-Peabody
Cohoes City
Mohawk Paper Mills
Troy City
Green Island Village
Manning Paper Co.
Maplewood Sewer District
Behr Manning (Norton)
Latham Sewer District
Watervllet City
Hatervliet Arsenal
Allegheny Ludlum Steel
Menands Village
Albany-Scheneetady Rd. S.D.
West Albany S. 0.
Water ford (T)
Water ford (T)
Waterford (T)

Co ho* 9 (C)


Green Island (V)
Colonie (T)
Watervliet (C)
Colonie (T)

Watervllet (C)
Colonie (T)

Colonie (T)
Colonie (T)
County

Saratoga
Saratoga
Saratoga
Albany
Albany
Rensselaer
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Albany
Receiving
Haters

Mohawk
Mohawk
Mohawk
Mohawk
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson

River
River
River
River
River Trib.
River
River
River
River
River
River Trib.
River
River
River Trlb.
River
River Trib.
River Trlb.
Effluentt
Raw or
Primary

Raw
ijaw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Primary
Raw
Primary
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Primary
Raw
Effluent
Type 	

Sanitary
Paper
Textile
Sanitary
Paper
Sanitary
Sanitary
Pulp & Paper
Sanitary
Adhesives
Sanitary
Sanitary
Plating
Metal Fin.
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Ownership*
Corp., Inft.,
Hun, or Ind.

Municipal
Corporate
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Municipal
Institutional
Corporate
Municipal
Municipal
Municipal
Pop.
or
Flow

2000
Imgd
l.Sragd
20129
1.2mgd
67492
3533
7.4mgd
2500
,4mgd
7200
13917
,03mgd
1 .4mgd
2314
9000
600
Abate- Ordered Volunt.
ment Constr. Constr.
Status Complet. Coraolet. .

A-4
A- 3
A- 3
A-4
A-3
A-4
A-4
A-3
A-4
A-4
A-4
A-4
D-5
A-4
A-4
A-4
A-4

11/1/69
7/1/69
11/1/69
1/1/71
1/1/69
1/1/71
1/1/70
4/1/70
7/1/69
9/1/69
7/1/69
1/1/70
1/1/69
4/1/70
1/1/70
1/1/70
1/1/70
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Waste Source
Location County
Receiving
Waters
Effluent*
Raw or
Primary
Effluent
Type
Ownerships Pop. n Abate- Ordered
Corp., Inst., or ment Constr.
Mun. or Ind. Flow Status Complet.
Volunt.
Constr.
, Complet.
Lower Hudson River Drainage Basin
McKownville S. D.
Tobln Packing Co-
Albany City
Rensselaer City
Huyck Corp.
Sterling Drug
General Aniline
Del mar - Elsmere S. D.
Brown Co. (Ft. Orange)
Castleton Village
Ravena Village
Coeymans Town
New Baltimore Hamlet
West Coxsackle Hamlet
Coxsackle Village
Gullderland (T) Albany
Albany (C) Albany
Albany
Rensselaer
Rensselaer (C) Rensselaer
Rensselaer (C) Rensselaer
Rensselaer (C) Rensselaer
Bethlehem (T) Albany
Schodack (T) Rensselaer
Rensselaer
Albany
Albany
New Baltimore (T) Greene
Coxsackie (T) Greene
Greene
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
River Trib.
ftlver Trib.
River
River
River
River
River
River Trib.
River Trib.
River
River Trib.
River Trib.
River Trib.
River Trib.
River
Raw
Raw
Haw
Raw
Haw
Raw
rtaw
Primary
Raw
Raw
Primary
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Sanitary
Slaugh. &
Packing
Sanitary
Sanitary
Felt
Pharmac.
Dyes
Sanitary
Paper
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Municipal
Corporate
Corporate
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Municipal
Municipal
Individuals
Individuals
Municipal
1000
.7mgd
129726
10506
.3mgd
2.4mgd
4.4mgd
12000
1.4mgd
1752
2410
800
400
500
2849
A-4
A-3
A-4
A-4
A-4
A-3
A-3
A-4
A-3
A-3
A-4
A-4
D-4
D-3
A-4
1/1/70
7/1/70
1/1/71
2/1/70
2/1/70
1/1/70
1/1/70
9/1/70
7/1/70
2/1/70
1/1/70
1/1/70


11/1/70












1/1/69
11/1/70

Kinderhook Creek
Hudson City
Columbia
Hudson
River
Primary
Sanitary
Municipal
11075
D-3

4/1/72
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Haste Source 	 Location 	
^cxer Hudson River- Drainage Basin
New York Training School Hudson (C)
Athens Village
Catskill Village
County

Columbia
Greene
Greene
Receiving
Waters 	

Hudson River Trlb.
Hudson River
Hudson River
Effluenti
Raw or
Primary

Primary
Raw
Raw
Effluent
Type 	

Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Ownership!
Corp., Inst.,
Mun. or Ind.

Institutional
Municipal
Municipal
Pop.
or
Flow

500
1754
5825
Abate- Ordered
ment Constr.
Status Comolet.

D-5
A-4 1/1/69
A-4 10/1/69
Volunt.
Constr.
Complet.

1/1/68


Roellff-Jansen Kill
German town Hamlet Gennantown (T)
Cementon Hamlet Catskill (T)
Valatie Village
Clermont Fruit Packers Clermont (T)
Klmberly Clark Ancram (T)
Columbia
Greene
Columbia
Columbia
Columbia
Hudson River
Hudson River Trlb.
Kinderhook Creek
Roellff-Jansen
Kill Trlb.
Roellff-Jansen
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Cannery
Paper
Individuals
Individuals
Individuals
Corporate
Corporate
400
700
1237
,02mgd
.2mgd
D-3
P-3
D-3
B-3
C-3
7/1/70
7/1/70
7/1/70

1/1/69
Kill
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Waste Source
Location
County
Receiving
Waters
Effluents
Raw, Prim.
or Sec.
Effluent
Type
Ownerships
Corp. , Inst. ,
Mun. or Ind.
Pop. Abate- Ordered
or raent Oonstr.
Flow Status Completed
Volun.
Constr.
Complet.
Lower Hudson River Drainage Basin
Saugertles Village
Tlvoll Village

Highland Sewer District
Hudson River State Hospital
Poughkeepsie City
Poughkeepsle Town
General Builders Supply Corp.
Beacon City
Three Star Anodizing
Texaco
Newburgh City
Majestic Weaving
New Windsor Sewer District #2
Cornwall Paper Co.
Cold Spring Village




Lloyd (T)
Poughkeepsie(T)


Denning Pt.

Wapplngers
Falls (V)
Fishkill (T)

Firthcliffe(V)
New Windsor(T)
New Windsor(T)


Ulster
Dutchess

ulster
Dutchess
Dutchess
Dutchess
Dutchess
Dutchess
Dutchess
Dutchess
Orange
Orange
Orange
Orange
Putnam

Esopus Creek
Hudson River
Rondout River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Fishkill
Fishkill
Hudson River
Moodna Creek
Moodna Creek
Moodna Creek
Hudson River

Primary
Primary

Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Raw
Primary
Primary
Raw
Primary
Raw
Primary

Sanitary
Sanitary

Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Plating &
Sanitary
Sanitary &
oil
Sanitary
Textile
Sanitary
Paper
Sanitary

Municipal
Municipal

Municipal
Institutional
Municipal
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal

O.Smgd D-3
750 C-2

.2mgd D-3
7100 D-3
45,000 C-3
0.4mgd D-4
80 D-4
6,000 C-3
. Imgd C-2
.3mgd C-2
33,000 A-3 12/68
l.Omgd A-4 6/68
2,000 D-4
0.6mgd C-2
2,000 A-4 5/69

10/69


3/69
3/70
3/70
10/68
7/68
5/69




10/68


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Wast* Source
Lower Hudson River Drainage
Sonotone Corp.
U.S. Mil.ita£v_ Academy
Highland Falls Village
Palisades Interstate Park
Bear Mountain STP
Camp Smith
Peeksklll City
Cbrtland Stone Oo.
Standard Brands Inc.
Endallte Optical Oo.
Std. Coated Products
F.O.R. V.A. Hospital
Rock Industries (l)
Location
Basin


Cold Springs (V)
West Point

Stony Pt.
Cortland

Peeksklll
Peeksklll
Peeksklll
Buchanen
Cortland

(T)
(T)

(c>
(c)
(C)
(V)
(T)
Stony Point (T)
County
Putnam
Orange
Orange
Rockland
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Rockland
Receiving
Watei 3
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Trib.
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Trib.
Hudson
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
Effluent*
Raw, Prim. Effluent
or Sec. Type
Raw
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Raw
Raw
Raw
Raw
Primary
B-imary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Stone
washings
Fermenta-
tion &
sanitary
Abrasives
Dyes
Sanitary
Aggregate
washings
Ownershipi Pop. Abate- Ordered
Corp.,Inst., or ment Constr.
Mun. or Ind. Flow Status Complet.
Corporate
Institu-
tional
Municipal
Institu-
tional
Institu-
tional
Municipal
Corporate
Corporate
Corporate
Corporate
Institu-
tional
Corporate

5,000
4,000
5,000
2,400
4mgd
.02mgd
l.Omgd
.OSmgd
.05mgd
.OSmgd
3,000
1.2mgd
A-3 9/69
D-3
D-3
D-5
D-8
B-3
C-3
A-3 5/68
0-3
A-6 5/67
D-5
D-4
Voluntary
Construct.
Completed

1/70
1/70
9/68
7/67

6/68
6/68



Haverstraw Village
                                           Rockland
Croton River

Hudson River   Primary
Sanitary   Municipal   5,818  D-4
6/68
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Waste Source
Lower Hudson River Drainage
Nest Haver straw Village
Garnerville Holding Corp.
Kay Fries Chemical
Rock Industries (2)
N.Y. Central R.R.
Croton-on-Hudson Village
Water St. STP
Sing Sing Prison
Liberty St. STP
Scarborough STP
River Road STP
Chevrolet & Fisher Body
tfcper Nyack Village
Location
Basin

Haverstraw (T)
Stony Pt.
Haverstraw (T)
Croton (V)
Ossining (V)
Ossining (v)
Ossining (V)
Briarcliff
Manor (V)
Briarcliff
Manor (V)
Tarry town (V)

County

Rock land
Rockland
Rockland
Rockland
Westchester
Westchester
West.iiester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Westchester
Rockland
Receiving
Waters

Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson
Hudson

River
River
RiVer
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
River
Effluenti
Raw, Prim. Effluent
or Sec. Tvoe

Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary

Sanitary
Textile
& Metal
finish.
Chemical
Ownerships Pop.
Corp., Ins t., or
Mun. or Ind. Flow

Municipal
Corporate
Corporate
Aggregate Corporate
Washings
Locomo- Corporate
tive wash.
& sanitary
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Sanitary
Paint
Spray
Sanitary
Municipal
Institu-
tional
Municipal
Municipal
Municipal
Corporate
Municipal

6,800
l.Smgd
O.Olmgd
1.2mgd
0.2mgd
6,800
15,000
2,000
3,000
1,000
200
O.Smgd
2010
Abate- Ordered
ment Constr.
Status Comolet.

D~4
D-4
A-4 12/67
D-4
A-4 .2/70
B-4
D-3
D-8
D-4
D-4
D-4
C-3
C-4
Voluntary
Construct
Completed

10/68
10/68

2/70
2/70

1/70
12/63
12/68
1/70
10/68
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Waste Source
Location County
Receiving
Waters
Effluent!
Raw, Prim.
or Sec.
Lower Hudson River Drainage Basin
N. Tarrytown Village
Tarrytown Village
Nyack Village
South Nyack Village
Jewish Home for Convalescents
Ptarl River Sewer District
Sewer District #2

Irving ton Village
Continental Can Co., Inc.
Nestchester STP
Refined Syrups & Sugars, Inc.
American Felt Co.
National Gypsum Co.
Nestchester
Westchester
Rockland
Rockland
Orangetown (T) Rockland
Orangetown (T) Rockland
Orangetown (T) Rockland

Westchester
Piermont (V) Rockland
Yonkers (C) Westchester
Yonkers (C) Westchester
New Windsor (T) Orange
New Windsor (T) Orange
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Sparkill Creek
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Hudson River
Quassalc Creek
Quassaic Creek
Primary
Primary
Primary
Primary-
Primary
Secondary
Primary

Primary
Primary
Primary
Raw
Raw
ftaw
Ownerships "Pop. Abate-
Ef fluent Corp.,Inst., or ment
Type Mun. or Ind. Flow Status

Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Institu-
tional
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Municipal

Sanitary Municipal
Paper Corporate
Sanitary Municipal
Sanitary Corporate
& Sugar
Textile Corporate
Sanitary Corporate
& Paper

8,900 B-3
11,100 B-3
5,195 C-4
3,400 C-4
80 D-4
15,000 A-6
12,000 A-6

.7mgd B-2
3.5mgd A-4
410,000 D-2
0.8ms,d A-4
0.3mgd A- 3
0.5mgd A-3
Ordered Voluntary
Constr. Construct.
Completed Completed

1/70
1/70
10/68
10/68
10/68
10/68
10/68

i/vp
10/68

10/70
4/69
4/69
Ramapo Piece Dye Works
New Windsor (T) Orange
Quassaic Creek  Raw
Textile  Corporate   0.05mgd A-3
12/68
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Wast* Source
Location
County
Receiving
Waters
Effluenti
Raw,Prim. Effluent
or Sec.   Type
                                                                                               Ownershipi    Pop.     Abate-. ** Ordered    Voluntary
                                                                                               Corp.,Inst.,  or      merit    Cbnstr.    Construct.
                                                                                               Mun.  or Ind.  Flow    Status  Oomplet.   Completed
Lower Hudson River Drainage Basin

Kingston City

New Paltz Village

Wallkill Village

Walden Village

Warwick Village

Rockland State Hospital
New York City

New York City

New York City


New York City

Consolidated Edison Co.


Hoffman School


Hebrew Home for the Aged
                 Ulster

                 Ulster

                 Ulster

                 Orange

                 Orange

Orangetown  (T)   Rockland
          Rondout River   Primary   Sanitary

          Wallkill River  Primary   Sanitary

          Wallkill River  Primary   Sanitary

          Wallkill River  Primary   Sanitary

          Wawayanda Creek Primary   Sanitary

          Sparkill Creek  Secondary Sanitary
                               Battery to West New York
                               llth St.
                          Hudson River     Raw

Canal St.plant   New York  Hudson River    Raw

                           Hudson River    Raw
                               West llth St.    New York
                               to Harlem River

                               Dyckman St.PIant New York

                               New York (C)     New York
                               New  York (.C)
                               New  York  (C)
                 Bronx
                 Bronx
          Hudson River    .Raw

          Hudson River    Raw


           Hudson River    Raw
           Hudson River
                 Raw
                                     Sanitary

                                     Sanitary

                                     Sanitary
                                     Municipal     3.5mgd  D-3

                                     Municipal     3,000   D-3

                                     Municipal     1,215   D-3

                                     Municipal     4,851   D-4

                                     Municipal     4,000   D-3

                                     Institu-      1,500   D-4
                                     tional

                                      Municipal    79,000  A-6

                                      Municipal    50,000  A-6

                                      Municipal   710,000  A-5
                                                     Sanitary   -Municipal    39,000  A-5

                                                                 Corporate            C-i
Sanitary
& thermal

 Sanitary


 Sanitary
Institu-
tional

Institu-
tional
125   C-l


550   D-8
                                                    9/68

                                                    9/68

                                                   10/70


                                                   10/70
                                                     1/69
                                                                3/69

                                                               10/69

                                                                4/69

                                                                7/69

                                                                4/72

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                                                   Table 3
                            COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY AND SEWERAGE STUDIES
                                         OCTOBER 1965-SEPTEMBER 1967
     COUNTY
 WATER POLLUTION CONTROL-COMPREHENSIVE SEWERAGE
                                         COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY
                 UQ.
           AREA
                  COMMENT
                           NO.
AREA
                                                                                            COMMENT
     Albany
 37
CJl
i
     Columbia
     Dutchess
  *151



  22

 *59


 *119
Albany (C)     Study Report Approved
                      5/15/67
Bethlehem (T)
Cohoes (C)
Colonie (V)
Colonie (T)
Green Island (V)
Guilderland (T)
Menands (V)
New Scotland (T)
Rayena (V)
Coeymans  (T)
Voorheesville  (V)
Watervliet (C)
                           *43    Albany (C)
Entire County
Completion date
  6/5/68
Hyde Park  (T)  Report Approved
                   3/15/67
South Hyde Pk  (T)
Poughkeepsie (T)
Orangetown (T)
Fishkill
Wappinger
Casper
     *Study  stc
rted after Oct. 1, 1965
               Completion Date
                   5/1/68
Cohoes (C)
Watervliet (C>
Colonie (V)
Green Island (V)
Menands (V)
Rayena (V)
Bethlehem  (T)
Coeymans (T)
Colonie (T)
Guilderland  (T)
Knox (T)
New Scotland .(T)
Berne (T)
Westerlo (T)
Rensselaerville  (T)
                                                                     *32    Entire County
                                                   Urban Areas
                                                   Previously
                                                   Studied
                                                                                                                   IV)
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                                                  Table 3
COUNTY
WATER POLLUTION CONTROL-COMPREHENSIVE SEWERAGE
                                            COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY
           NO.
       AREA
                     COMMENT
NO.
AREA
COMMENT
Greene
Orange
Putnam
Rensselae
* Study s
*77    Catskill (T)
*80    Cairo (T)

*189   Entire County
*27    Monroe (T)
           *102

           *154
       Monroe (V)
       Harrington (V)
       Newburg (T)
                                 Report Accepted
                                    2/8/67
               Report Accepted
                  3/30/66
               Report Accepted
                  1/10/66
Entire County  Completion
                  2/14/68
 18    Sand Lake      Report Accepted
                         3/29/67
 19    Troy (C)       Report Accepted
                         1/26/66
       Brunswick (T)
       Schaticoke (T)
       North Greenbush
*65    Nassau (V)
       Nassau (T)
*109   Rensselaer (C)
       E. Greenbush
rted after Oct. 1, 1965
                                             *25    Entire County
*4
Entire County
                                                    *16    Entire County
                          Report Approved
                                                                       Completion
                                                                         2/1/68
                                                                       Previously studied
                                                                       by Rensselaer County
                                                                       Health Department
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Table 3
COUNTY

Rensselaei


Rockland







Schoharie



Ulster







*Study st
WATER POLLUTION CONTROL-COMPREHENSIVE SEWERAGE
NO.
*145


*53


54




*66


*184
13
44

*130
*131
*136

*171
rted
AREA
Castleton (V)

Schodak (T)
Haverstraw (T)
Haverstraw (V)
W. Haverstraw (V)
S. Nyack (V)
Nyack (V)
Upper Nyack (V)
Grand-View-On-
Hudson
Middleburg (V)'

Middleburg (T)
Entire County
Ulster (T)
Esopus (T)

Marlboro (T)
Woodstock (T)
Rosendale (T)
Rosendale (V)
Entire Co.
after Oct. 1, 1965
COMMENT
Report Accepted
6/12/67




Report Accepted




Report Accepted
10/4/66


Report Approved
2/8/67
Report Accepted
6/13/67






COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY
NO. AREA COMMENT



No Study







Application
Submitted


*15 Entire Co. Completion
2/22/68








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CD

i
COUNTY

Westchester











NYC

WATER POLLUTION CONTROL-COMPREHENSIVE SEWERAGE
NO. AREA
5 Croton Watershed
26 Ossining (T)

Ossining (v)
32 Peekskill (C)
Cortlandt (T)
47 Briarcliff

Manor (V)
*110 Peekskill (T)
Hollow Brook (T)
*173 Entire County
7 Wards Island

COMMENT
Report Approved
Report Approved
3/20/67



Report Approved
5/15/67




Report Approved

COMPREHENSIVE PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY
NO. AREA COMMENT
*10 N. West. Co.
*11 Portchester
Rye
*27 Westchester Co.
NYC Watershed







See CPWS-27
Westchester Co.
     * Study started  after Oct. 1, 1965
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                                                Table 4
                                          Plan Review Activity
                                          September 1965 - 1967
Albany Co.
Municipality Project
Altamont (V) Altamont
Bethlehem (T) Bethlehem
' Colonie (T) Leisureville Apt&.
i — "
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Voorheesville (V) Salem Hills
Colonie (v) Holiday Inn
Colonie (T) Alb.-Sch'dy Road
Design
Population Cost Comments

2,200 $ 113,000 Imhoff tank, standard rate trickling
filter, continuous chlorination
additions and alterations.
1,717 15,000 Additions to existing plant, addition
al chlorination
300 75,000 Continuous chlorinatipn, tert.
ment
400 78,000 Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination
250 9,400 Extended aeration, sand filter,
tinuous chlorination

treat-

con-

Colonie (T)

Columbia  County

Claverack (T)
                     Sewer District           15,000
                     Newton Street Plant
 Lake  Shore  Park           40,000
Pine Haven County Home      270
 65,000     Plain  settling  tank,  standard  rate
           trickling  filter,  continuous
           chlorinatipn, add.  &  alt.

 80,000     Extended aeration,  sand  filter,
           continuous chlorination
32,000     Septic Tank, standard rate
           trickling filter
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     Dutchess County
     Municipality    Project

     Rhir  ,eck (T)    Vanderburgh Cove
                     Subd.

     E.  Fishkill  (T)  Beekman County Club
     Wappinger (T)    Oak Ridge Manor
Table 4

   Design
 Population    Cost

     160     $  83,000
     200     $  60,000
     280     $  62,000
     Fishkill  (T)     Hudson View Filt.  Corporation       2,252     $335,000
     Hyde Park (T)    Greenfield Development
   1,596     $210,000
     Beekman (T)      Nieun Village Garden Apartments     1,860     $100,000
     Beekman (T)      Austin Development
     Fishkill  (T)     Mountain View Apartments
     Hyde  Park  (T)    Wedgewood Hills Apartment
     La  Grange  (T)    Scenic  Hills
    La  Grange  (T)    Deerfield  Est.
     500     $  70,000
     508      $  60,000
   1,000      $  50,000
     612      $ 60,000
    576      $ 72,000
          Comments

Septic tank, sand filter, con-
tinuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Contact stabilization, continuous
chlorination

Contact stabilization, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand  filter,
continuous chlorination

Contact stabilization, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination
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Municipality

Wappinger (T)
Project

Les Chateauz Apts,
Wappinger (T)       Mid Point Park Sub,
Wappinger (T)
Wappinger (l)
Chelsea Ridge Apts.
Summit Garden Apts.
      Table 4

  Design
Population     Cost

  1,036     $  90,000
                            620     $  80,000
    616    $  40,000
  1,100     $100,000
Poughkeepsie (T)    Country Club Estates S.D.    40     $400,000
Wappinger (T)       Rockingham Farms


Poughkeepsie (T)    Arlington Sewer District

Wappinger (l)       Spook Hill Estates
                             50     $200,000
Wappinger (T)
Ye Old Apple Orchard
E. Fishkill (T)     John Jay High School
              Comments

Contact stablization, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter, con-
tinuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter, con-
tinuous chlorination

Contact stabilization, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter, con-
tinuous chlorination

Contact stabilization, sand filtei,
continuous chlorination

Engineering Report accepted 5/29/67

Sewage Corporation - legal action
pending

Engineering report submitted - pending
reply from engineer

Report accepted on 8/4/67
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     Greene  County


     Municipality         Project

     N.  Baltimore  (l)     N.  Baltimore
                                                      Table 4
    Greenville  (T)
    Greenville  (T)
i    Catskill  (V)
Pleasant View Lodge
                        Design
                      Population

                        1,900
310
Pine Springs Vacation
Resort                    400
Catskill
    Coxsackie  (T&V)      Coxsackie
 Cost                     Comments

103,000     Plain settling tank, continuous
            chlorination

 30,250     Septic tank, sand filter,  continuous
            chlorination
             6,000     Septic tank, lagoon, seasonal
                       chlorination

                       Engineering Report accepted 5/2/67

                       Preliminary Report accepted 3/27/67
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    New York City


    Municipality     Project

    Manhattan        North River
  Design
Population
  Table 4



     Cost

$ 125,400,000
             Comments

Activated sludge, in design stage,
Preliminary Engineering Report approved
November 1963.  Final plans due
September 1967.
    Brooklyn
    New York City    Newtown Creek    2,500,000     $ 165,200,000
ro
CO
    New York City    Spring Creek
              $  10,917,000
                  Activated sludge,  under construction,
                  to be in operation by September 1967

                  Engineering Report accepted by NYSDH
                  now being reviewed by FWPCA
                  Stormwater overflow treatment basin
                                                                                                                to
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Orange County
                                                Table 4
Municipality

Newburgh (T)


Wallkill (T)



Chester (T)


Newburgh (T)


Goshen (V)


Monroe (V)


Cornwall (T)


Woodbury (T)


Wallkill (T)
Project

Gidney Sewer District
Silver Lake Mechanics-
town Sewer District
Surrey Meadows


Meadow Hill North


Goshen


Maple Knolls S. D. #1
  Design
Population    Cost

  2,950     $155,000
 12,000     $300,000
  1,200     $120,000
  1,500     $100,000
 15,000     $750,000
    900     $100,000
Firthcliff Sewer District     1,200     $159,000
Woodbury Sewer District
    360     $186,000
Scotswood Sewer District      1,000     $ 50,000
Blooming Grove (T)    Merywood
Newburgh (T)
Meadow Hill
                             4,250      $100,000
    500    $270,000
           Comments

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination
High rate trickling filter,
continuous chlorination

High rate trickling filter,
sand filter

Contact stabilization, sand
filter, continuous chlorination

High rate trickling filter;
lagoon, continuous chlorination

Activated sludge, sand filter.
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, continuous
chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

High rate trickling filter,
sand filter,  continuous
chlorination

Plain settling tank,  high rate
trickling filter, continuous
chlorination

Contact stabilization, continu-
ous chlorination
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                                                  Table 4
Orange County




Municipality


Goshen (T)


Woodbury (T)


Newburgh (C)


New Windsor (T)




Washingtonville (V)


Cornwall (T&V)


Maybrook (V)




Walden (V)


Cornwall (V&T)
Project


Orange Farms


Woodbury


Newburgh


New Windsor




Washingtonville


Cornwall


Maybrook




Walden


Cornwall S. D.
  Design
Population
Cost                     Comments


          Report accepted 4/25/67


          Engineering report accepted 3/31/67


          Engineering report accepted 4/7/67


          Plastic Filter media, final plans

          being prepared by engineer


          Returned to engineer for revision


          Report accepted 7/24/67


          Engineering report submitted - pending

          reply from engineer


          at FWPCA


          at FWPCA
                                                                                                              to
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                                                 Table 4
Putnam County

                                       Design
Municipality        Project          Population       Cost                     Comment

Cold Spring (V)     Cold Spring
                                                                Engineering  Report  submitted  -  pending
                                                                reply  from engineer
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   Rockland County
                                                      Table  4
   Municipality

   Stony  Point  (T)
Project

Bear Mt. State Park
  Design
Population

   2,943
    Clarkstown  (T)      Princess  Ann  Apts.
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    Clarkstown (T)

    Ramapo (T)
Reyville Est.

Orchard Hills
    Stony Point (T)     Stony Point
    Orangetown (T)     Orangetown
    Clarkstown (T)     Sewer District
    Clarkstown (T)     Sewer District #13
    Clarkstown (T)     Sewer District #8
   Cost

$106,790
                            560      $64,000
    Clarkstown (T)      Buckingham Manor  Apts.       350      $60,000
     276      $59,000

     624      $50,000


   9,410     $102,000


  52,000   $2,130,000


 100,000   $4,000,000


     950      $26,500
            Comments

High rate trickling filter, continuous
chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Extended aeration, sand filter

Extended aeration, sand filter,
continuous chlorination

Plain settling tank, activated sludge,
continuous chlorination

High rate trickling filter, continuous
chlorination

Plain settling tank, activated sludge,
continuous chlorination

Activated sludge,  sand filter, con-
tinuous  chlorination
                          1,400      $50,000     Lagoon, continuous chlorination
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                                                      Table 4
     Ulster County

                                          Design
     Municipality      Project          Population     Cost

     Rochester (T)     Granit Hotel        1,500     $45,000     Plain settling tank, standard rate
                                                                 trickling  filter, continuous chlorination

     New Paltz (V)     New Paltz                                 Report approved 1/16/67
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    Westchester County


    Municipality

    Yorktown (l)


    Cortland (l)

    Ossining (V)
                                                      Table 4
Project

Osceola Sewer Dist,


Baltic Estates

Water Street
  Design
Population
   Cost                  Comments

$160,000     Contact stabilization,  sand  filter
             continuous  chlorination

             Report approved  1/13/67

             Report accepted  2/2/67
to
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                                                        Table 5
                           SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE GRANT PROGRAM
                                             SUMMARY REPORT — Activities 1965
County
1963
Albany*
Columbia
Dut chess*
Orange*
Putnam
Rensselaer
Rockland
Sullivan*
Ulster
Westchester*
TOTAL
1965
Number
of
Municipal
Plants*

12
3
Ik
15
3
l
16
2
11
18
95
Number
of
Applicants

2
2
2
6
2
1
13
2
7
16
53
Number
of
Communities
Approved

2
2
2
3
2
1
11
1
7
15
1*6
Total Cost
Operation &
Maintenance

$ 23,490
29,100
104,667
76,288
75,709
15,178
274,477
15,013
107,59^
713,567
$1,435,083
Amount
State
Grant

$ 7,829
9,700
34,889
25,1*28
25,235
4,98U
102,692
5,004
35,862
238,393
$ 490,016
Applications
Disapproved
or
Withdrawn

0
0
0
3
0
0
2
1
0
1
7
co
o
          *  Lower Hudson Drainage Basin  Only
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                                                       Table 5
                          SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE GRANT PROGRAM
                                            SUMMARY REPORT — Activities 1966


County

1966
Albany*
Columbia
Dut chess*
Orange*
Putnam
Rensselaer
Rockland
Sullivan*
Ulster
Westchester*
TOTAL
1966
TOTAL
1965-66
Number
of
Municipal
Plants*
12
3
Ik
15
3
1
16
2
11
18

95

95
Number
of
Applicants

2
1
k
12
2
1
12
1
8
l^

57

110**
Number
of
Communities
Approved
2
1
k
7
0
0
5
0
6
11

36

82***
Total Cost
Operation &
Maintenance

$ 28,108
5,167
136,612
7^,068


162,509

77,277
661,136

$1,1^,877

2,579,960
Amount
State
Grant

$ 9,369
1,670
^5,538
2^,689


5^,169

25,7^7
220,377

381,559

871,575
Applications
Disapproved
or
Withdrawn
0
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
0

2

9
to
I—1
I
         *    Lower  Hudson Drainage Basin Only
        **    110 Applications  Received From 68 Different Communities
       ***    82 Approvals were Granted for 57 Different Communities
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                                                     Table 5

                                    NEW YORK CITY — FISCAL YEARS 1965-1966
    PLANT NAME
    1965 Fiscal Year
LOCATION
RECEIVING
 WATERS
PRESENT
 FLOW
  MGD
TOTAL COST
OPERATION &
MAINTENANCE
AMOUNT
STATE
GRANT
Bowery Bay
Hunts Point
Owls Head
Tallmans Island
Wards Island
Total 1965

1966 Fiscal Year
Bowery Bay
Hunts Point
Owls Head
Tallmans Island
Wards Island
Queens
Bronx
Brooklyn
Queens
Manhattan



Queens
Bronx
Brooklyn
Queens
Manhattan
East River
East River
Upper Harbor
East River
East River



East River
East River
Upper Harbor
East River
East River
102
108
85
46
200
541


102
108
85
46
200
$1,222,378
1,052,650
974,172
879,741
2,175,677
$6,304,618


$1,221,877
1,216,966
1,052,372
911,218
2,381,039
$407,459
350,883
324,724
293,247
725,226
$2,101,539


$407,293
405,655
350,791
303,739
793,680
CO
ro
     Total  1966
                                    541
                                   6,783,472    2,261,158
     Totals  1965-1966
                                    541
                                 $13,088,090   $4,362,697
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                       A.  Handley



        PURE WATER CONSTRUCTION GRANTS PROGRAM



           This discussion concerns the status and progress



of construction grants activities for the construction of



sewage treatment plants under the Pure Waters Progran of the



State of New York since the signing of the first five State



contracts by Governor Rockefeller on September 1, 1966.



            Passage of the State legislation on May 12, 1965



and the State  referendum of the voters in November 1965



resulted in the means of accomplishing a practical Construc-



tion Grants program by the State of New York which would



guarantee municipalities 6o#  of the cost of construction  of



municipal sewage  treatment plants.  This 60#  consists  of  the



basic 3056 State grant, plus up to  30# pre-financing  of the



Federal share. While this program is confined to municipali-



ties, industry is not precluded  from using properly  designed



municipal waste treatment plants — subject  to mutually



agreeable arrangements, sewer use  charges, and waste pre-



treatment  in some instances.  Thus, the  State of New York has



a practical,  workable,  financially sound incentive which has



materially influenced  the initiation  and continued accelera-



tion  of the Pure  Waters Program across the state.



            On September 1,  1966, the  first five State con-



tracts  were executed  by Governor Rockefeller and the officials



of the  concerned  municipalities.  A total of 4? State con-

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                       A.  Handley
tracts have now been formally executed.  One hundred twenty-
nine more projects have been found acceptable and State con-
tracts will be executed when construction is ready to commence
in the next few months.  As Governor Rockefeller stated,
these involve State grants totaling some $357 million.  The
extent of New York's progress is shown in that during the
first 11 months of the State program, New York obligated more
funds than the Federal government had for projects in the
State of New York in the 11 prior years.
           Projects in New York State for construction of
municipal sewage treatment works are eligible for Federal
Water Pollution Control Administration (FWPCA) construction
grants under the Federal Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966,
or are eligible under prior legislation'.
           FWPCA funds allocated for New York State projects
are not sufficient to provide for the authorized funding,
i.e., 50 or 55# under the Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966,
or generally 30# under prior legislation.
           The amount of this insufficiency for projects
approved and in process totals $693,755,35^ as follows:
           a.  Table 6:  $238,057,871 for projects already
approved by the FWPCA and those in FWPCA awaiting approval.
           b.  Table 7:  $140,156,079 for projects currently
being processed by the municipality and the New York State

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Department of Health (NYSDH).  Project identification numbers



utilized by both the FWPCA and the NYSDH have been assigned



to these projects.



           c.  Table 8:  $315,541,^64 for projects in



process of preparation by the municipality; i.e., in the



planning and preliminary design stage and for which formal



Federal and State applications will be submitted when an



engineering report  can be submitted to the NYSDH.  As the



State of New York regional comprehensive planning program



progresses further, this will result in additional proposed



projects, which will be added to the listing in Table 8 when



eligible project costs become firm.



           The Water Pollution Control Program of the City



of New York has a total eligible cost currently of $1.29



billion.  Based upon the current allocation of Federal funds



at \% of the eligible project cost for proposed projects,



the Federal participation for the entire program is approxi-



mately $13 million  or 1.04#  of the total eligible project




cost.  This compares with State grant participation of



approximately $568  million or 44* of total eligible project



cost,  summary details concerning the Federal and State



participation in proposed projects, those underway, those



completed with  grant aid, and those completed without grant



aid are included as Table 9.   Recognition should be given to

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the outstanding progress of the City of New York in the
accomplishment of their overall Water Pollution Control
Program, particularly in view of the fact that the City has
proceeded at a remarkable rate of progress in advance of sub-
stantial Federal and State construction grants.  The State
also desires to recognize the^ technical excellence and dedi-
cation of the personnel of the New York City Department of
Public Works Bureau of Water Pollution Control.
           The Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966 authorized
Federal funds for the Pure Waters Program.  For FY '68, $450
million was authorized nationally with an allocation for
New York State of approximately $37.6 million.  The Federal
administration proposed to the Congress an appropriation
nationally of only $203 million, which reduces the New York
State allocation to $14.5 million.  This reduction of $23
million seriously affects the New York State Program.  At
the present time, until the Congress passes its appropriation,
the New York State allocation has been the same as the last
fiscal year, '6?, or $9.8 million.  This $9.8 million has all
been allocated against current New York State projects with
the exception of a few thousand dollars.  This means that
for the balance of the fiscal year  '68, New York State pro-
jects can be funded with Federal funds probably only for an
additional $4.7 million.  Comparison of this probably available

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$4.7 million versus the many millions of dollars outlined



previously as requirements needs no emphasis.  Another com-



parison of interest is the $3.35 billion total authorizations



under the Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966, as compared



to the $1.7 billion estimated to eliminate pollution in the



State of New York,  The authorizations nationally are only



twice those of the New York State total project costs.  If



Congress is to finance the Federal Clean Water Program at



the 55# figure authorized in the Clean Water Restoration



Act of 1966, additional funds must be authorized.  For record



purposes, the Clean Water Restoration Act of 1966 authorized



Federal funds for various years as follows:
Fiscal
Year
1968
1969
1970
1971
Author i zat ions
Nationally
$450 Million
700 Million
1 Billion
1.25 Billion
$3.35 Billion
Allocations
New York State
$37,588,750
60,670,250
88,368,050
111,449,550
$298,076,600
Proposed
Allocation
$14,530,900
-
-
_

           A monthly  status  report  of  Federal and  State  grants



for construction .of sewage treatment facilities  is prepared



and is included as Table 10.  The report  includes  a statistical

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summary for active construction grants projects.  Analysis



of the actual and proposed State grant amounts figures indi-



cate that, for active projects, over $357 million in State



funds will be needed in the reasonably near future for the



176 proposed and actual State grant contracts.  Since this



report is as of August 31, 1967, it is based on State par-



ticipation of 56$, rather than the 59$ now being utilized.



These figures will be adjusted accordingly at the time of



publication of the September 30 monthly report.  This monthly



report shows whether individual proje cts are eligible for



Federal participation under the Clean Water Restoration Act



of 1966, or are eligible under previous legislation; whether



they have Accelerated Public Works or Appalachia additional
                                        /


grants; and whether they have been given the 10$ additional



grant for compliance with regional comprehensive planning.



The report also shows the various dollar amounts of eligible



project cost, Federal grant, State grant, Federal payments,



and State payments, percent completed, and status comment.



           As has been stated, the State of New York and its



municipalities are much interested in the reimbursement



features of the FWPCA grant program.  Municipalities realize



that the State of New York accepts each Pure Waters Program



project as they arrive, treating each with equal priority,



and recommending equivalent Federal participation when the

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project is approved by the FWPCA.  Currently, this program



is a \% FWPCA participation and 5956 State participation,



composed of the 30# basic State grant and 29# pre-financing



of the Federal share.  This leaves some 54# of the Federal



share to be furnished later by the Federal government, either



before the completion of construction of the project, or as



reimbursement after completion of the project.  It is



apparent that the lack of Federal funds preclude the



financing of the full 55# of Federal participation, and that



this situation causes problems administratively for the



FWPCA, the State of New York and the municipalities concerned



As Governor Rockefeller has stated, full participation to



the limit of existing authorizations is the first step in



the solution of these problems.  Future consideration of



Federal legislation should include review of the necessity



for increasing the existing authorization nationally.



           The Construction Grants personnel of the FWPCA



Region and Sub-Region, specifically Messrs. Lester Sutton and



Rocco Ricci, have been outstanding in their assistance,



cooperation and coordination with the State of New York and



its municipalities, and the efficient operation of their



construction grants organization reflects great credit on



them and on the FWPCA.  The fine support given them by Mr.



Thomas Ferry, from his Washington Construction Grants office,

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deserves special mention also.



           It is desired also to give recognition to the



excellent assistance in water pollution control measures



provided by another Federal agency -- the United States Army



Corps of Engineers.  Three areas deserve special attention:



first, the completion of the deepening of the Hudson River



navigation channel to Albany, with the Corps of Engineers



utilizing State of New York-furnished spoil disposal areas



on shore (as opposed to disposal in the River); their



cooperation in the proposed solution for the Moriches Bay



area in Long Island (by dredging and spoil disposal to the



ocean); and finally, their enforcement activities in New York



Harbor and upriver.   The Corps does not seem to publicize



its New York Harbor enforcement activities involving oil



pollution, pollution from ships, debris incineration activi-



ties, disposal at sea activities, issuance of disposal permits



and the supervision thereof, and other related activities.



The State commends the Corps for the excellence of its liai-



son and coordination, the efficiency of their operations,



and its results and accomplishments, which have and are



materially aiding in abating and controlling water pollution,



the objective of Governor Rockefeller's Pure Waters Program.



           The State Pure Waters Construction Grant Program



is fully implemented, adequately funded, and is progressirg

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in excess of expectations.  Further assistance through



appropriations  for  increased Federal construction grants



would undoubtedly provide further impetus to this rate of



progress and reduce the load on New York for pre-financing



large portions  of the  federal share.

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                                  TABLE 6
                       STATED APPROVED PROJECTS WITH
                         FWPCA APPROVAL OR AWAITING
                              FWPCA APPROVAL
                            September 15. 1967
                                                                               239
PKOJECt
298
317
377
353
256
108
338
339
255
369
316
320
291

149
£38
370
324
359
350

345
357
346
347
363
178

356
354
297
314
326
281
327
315
152
151
310
287
261
                     APPLICANT
Altamont  (V), Albany County
Colonie (T), Albany  County
Colonie (T), Albany  County
Keesevtlle  (V),  Clinton County
Sidney (V), Delaware County
Canajoharie (V), Montgomery County
Cooperstown (V), Otsego County
Milford (V), Otsego  County
Hoosick Falls (V), Rensselaer County
Canton (V), St.  Lawrence County
Edwards (V), St. Lawrence County
Potsdam   (V), St. Lawrence County
Schenectady (C), Schenectady County

Amherst (T), Erie County
Erie County S.D. #3,  Erie County
Erie County Home & Penitentiary
Tonawanda (T)., Erie  County
Lockport  (C), Niagara County
Youngstown  (V), Niagara County

Coney Island, New York City
Owl's Head, New York City
Port Richmond, New York City
Spring Creek, New York City
Wards Island, New York City
North River Interceptor Plant, NYC

Caneadea '(T) , Allegany County
Friendship  (V), Allegany County
Elmira (C), Chemung  County
Avon (V), Livingston County
Nunda (V), Livingston County
Brighton  (T), Monroe County
Brighton S.D. #3, Monroe County
Gates-Chili-Ogden (T),  Monroe County
Greece (T), Monroe County
Greece (T), Monroe County
Greece (T), Monroe County
Penfield  (T), Monroe County
Pittsford (V), Monroe County
                            -38-
FWPCA FUNDS
ALLOCATED

$ 5,000
60,000
6,000
35S000
91,350
223,125
316,416
10,890
194,880
72,200
50,550
825,000
5,000
600,000
1,084,300
11,880
57,000
253,360
11,350
220,000
36,900
200,000
1,200,000
100,000
2,200,000
19,700
97,890
58,740
25,132
118,000
221,920
220,000
140,790
117,844
31,347
56,820
5,100
43,350
ADDITIONAL
FWPCA FUNDS
REQUIRED
$ 43,750
50,000
324,000
328,143
76,125
43,834
23,484
17,340
162,400
920,550
42,125
687,500
40,480
8,297
48,180
136,620
570,000
3,104,880
7,570
2,016,630
30,750
1,745,900
4,567,850
467,325
119,000,000
215,315
82,075
39,160
320,433
98,700
8,280
1,979,450
117,325
16,352
30,903
724,405
21,690
36,125

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PROJECT
NUMBER             APPLICANT

375       Rochester  (0), Monroe County
293       Scottsvillc  (V), Monroe County
299       Webster  (T), Monroe County
330       Hopewell  (T)5 Ontario County
273       Victor (V),  Ontario County
372       Seneca Falls (V), Seneca County
331       Corning  (C), Steuben County
280       Hornell  (C), Steuben County
367       Newark (V),  Wayne County
312       Dundee (V),  Yates County
332       Jerusalem (T), Yates County

306       Dickinson (T), Sroome County
228       Endicott  (V), Broome County
223       Johnson  City (V)> Broome County
226       Kirkwood  S.D.#1, Broome County
295       Vestal (T),  Broome County
263       Port Byron  (V), Cayuga County
300       Green (V),  Chenango County
292       Watertown (C), Jefferson County
301       Castorland  (V), Lewis County
360       Hamilton  (V), Madison County
371       Oneida County S.D., Oneida County
303       Camden (V),  Oneida County
302       Kirkland  (T), Oneida County
234       Camillas  (T), Onondaga County
319       Camillus  (V), Onondaga County
358       Ley Creek Modification STP, Onondaga
308       Manlius S.D.(V), Onondaga County
266       Onondaga  County DPW, Onondaga County
296       Onondaga  County Jail, Onondaga County
313       Onondaga  County, Onondaga County
340       Wappinger (T), Dutchess County
 53       Newburgh  (C), Orange County
167       Trumansburg  (V), Tompkins County
318       Cedarhurst  (V), Nassau County
236       Glen Cove (V),  Nassau County
341       Great Neck  (V), Nassau County
250       Lawrence  (V), Nassau County
305       Long Beach  (C), Nassau County
342       Roslyn (V), Nassau County
351       Port Washington S.B,, Nassau County
361       Nassau County S.D, #3, Nassau County
368       Cornwall (T), Orange County
352       Goshen (V), Orange County

FWPCA FUKDS
ALLOCATED
$ 2,000,000
20,400
128,312
34,800
66,300
600,480
250,712
96,900
77,500
165,000
91,200
13,590
857,070
600,000
110,190
40,450
70,000
118,710
190,000
5,000
29,000
801,160
9,960
96,690
116,910
21,350
County220,000
39,630
1,278,090
26,400
623,700
3,520
447,320
137,100
270,000
36,000
87,450
427,350
85,800
19,270
21,000
3,742,180
38,192
40,000
ADDITIONAL
FWPCA FUNDS
•REQUIRED
$ 25 , 500,QOO
260,100
833,928
29,000
55,800
775-.620
493,680
1,235,475
775,000
110,000
131,550
11,325
295,740
133,320
70S
16,980
37,100
98,925
210,323
52,310
195,600
10,214,790
6,650
64,460
88,567
14,235
1,594,527
33,025
189,810
26,015
415,800
47,520
2,625,650
8,971
13,290
1,107
58,547
69,122
57,200
12,850
267,750
47,712,795
486,948
372,500

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PROJECT
NUMBER

364
362
294
244
274
268
343
237
 28
322
378
         APPLICANT

New Windsor (T), Orange County
Walden (V), Orange County
Washingtonville (V), Orange County
Cold Spring (V), Putnam County
Rockland County S.D.#1, Rockland County
Stony Point (T), Rockland County
Huntington S.D., Suffolk County
North Port (V), Suffolk County
Southhampton (T), Suffolk County
Rockland (!),  Sullivan County
Arlington  S,D., Dutchess County
FWPCA FUNDS
 ALLOCATED

$  66,000
   99,000
  168,960
  144,300
5,087,313
  421,740
   10,000
    8., 580
    7,350
   80,070
   96,000
 ADDITONAL
FWPCA FUNDS
 REQUIRED

$  841,500
    66,000
   112,640
   130,700
 1,668,987
    64,020
    91,530
     1,740
     1,470
    66,725
 1,224,000
SUB-TOTAL:     PROJECT ELIGIBLE FOR 55% - GRANT UNDER
              THE CLEAN WATER RESTORATION ACT OF 1966

SUB-TOTAL:     PROJECTS ELIGIBLE FOR 30% GRANT OR LESS
              UNDER PREVIOUS FEDERAL LEGISLATION

    TOTAL:     ADDITIONAL FWPCA FUNDS; TO BRING ELIGIBLE
              PROJECTS UP TO AUTHORIZED AMOUNTS
                                                 $235,694,844



                                                    2,363,027


                                                 $238,057,871
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                                TABLE  7

             PROJECT APPLICATIONS  CURRENTLY  BEING  PROCESSED
                 TO BE SUBMITTED TO FWPCA FOR  APPROVAL
                           SEPTEMBER 15.  1967
PROJECT
NUMBER           APPLICANT

 388    Albany Co. S.D., Albany County
 387    Coeymans  (T), Albany County
 366    Stamford  (V), Delaware County
 389    Rensselaer Co.SD, Rensselaer Co.
 279    Salamanca (V), Cattaraugus Co.
 379    Dunkirk  (C) , Chatauqua County
 323    Cheektowaga (T), Erie County
 385    Erie Co.  SD #3, Erie County
 391    Tonawanda (T), Erie County
 390    Lancaster-Depew-Alden, Erie Co.
 376    Oakfield  (V), Genesee County
 382    Middieport  (V), Niagara County

 392    Oakwood  Beach, New York City
 393    Owl's Head, New York City
 394    Red Hook, New York City
 395    Ward's  Island, New York City
 396    Coney Island, New York City
 397    Hunts Point, New York City
 348    Camp LaGuardia, New York City
 398    Bowery  Bay, New York City
 399    Hunt's  Point, New York City
 400    Jamaica,  New York City
 401    Oakwood  Beach, New York City
 402    Owl's Head, New York City
 403    Rockaway, New York City
 404    Tallmans Island, New York City
 405    26th Ward,  New York City
 406    Riker's  Island, New York City

 325    Chemung Co.  SD  #1, Chemung County
 374    Churchville (V), Monroe County
 384    Marion  (T), Monroe County
 381    Penfield (T), Monroe County
 328    Perinton (T), Monroe County
 373    Erwin (T),  Steuben County
 380    Sodus (V),  Wayne County
  ELIGIBLE
PROJECT COST
    FWPCA
 GRANT ?UNDS
BEQUE5TED (557.")
$ 38,253,000
825,600
699,250
18,000,000
1,795,000
8,735,000
1,833,000
246,530
5,500,000
11,864,407
345,000
703,900
33,000,000
17,000,000
53,000,000
24,000,000
14,000,000
5,500,000
200,000
1,900,000
1,600,000
600,000
100,000
600,000
800,000
1,200,000
100,000
500,000
1,100,000
500,000
420,000
813,560
468,243
918,000
589,700
$ 21,039,150
454,080
384,587
9,900,000
987,250
4,804,250
1,008,150
135,591
3,025,000
6,525,423
189,750
387,145
18,150,000
9,350,000
29,150,000
13,200,000
7,700,000
3,025,000
110,000
1,045,000
880,000
330,000
55,000
330,000
440,000
660,000
55,000
275,000
605,000
275,000
231,000
447,458
257,533
504,900
324,335
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                                TABLE 7 (continued)

                                                              FWPCA
PROJECT                                      ELIGIBLE      GRANT FUNDS
NUMBER           APPLICANT                 PROJECT COST   REQUESTED (55%)

 349    Moravia (V) ,  Cayuga County        $    610,000    $    335,500
 335    DeWitt (T),  Onondaga County             80,000          44,000
 386    Oswego (C) ,  Oswego County            4,254,000       2,339,700
 336    Pulaski (V),  Oswego County             566,000         311,300

 355    Suffolk Co.  Comm.  Coll., Suffolk Co.    279,550         153,752
 365    South Fallsburg SD, Sullivan County  1.329.500         731.225

                                          $254,829,240    $140,156,079
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                                  TABLE 8

                        PROJECT APPLICATIONS BEING
                        PREPARED BY MUNICIPALITIES
                             SEPTEMBER 15. 1967
                                                                         244
APPLICANT

Cliazy (T), Clinton County
Greenport (T), S.D.#1, Columbia County
Delhi (V), Delaware County
Franklin (V), Delaware County
Jay (T), Ausable Forks, Essex County
Black Brook  (T), Essex County
Moriah  (T),  Essex County
Willsboro (T), Essex County
Lake Placid  (V), Essex County
Fort Covington (V), Franklin County
Saranac Lake (V), Franklin County
Johnstown (C), Gloversville (C),Fulton Co.
Coxsackie (V), Greene County
Catskill (V), Greene County
Nelliston (V), Montgomery County
St. Johnsville (V), Montgomery County
DeKalb  Junction  (H), St. Lawrence County
Fine (T), St. Lawrence County
Heuvelton (V), St. Lawrence County
Norfolk (T), St. Lawrence County
Norwood (V), St. Lawrence County
Esperance (V), Schoharie County
Schoharie (V), Schoharie County
Luzerne (T), Warren County

Little Valley (V), Cattaraugus County
Olean (C), Cattaraugus County
Brocton (V), Chautauqua County
Fredonia (V), Chautauqua County
Jamestown (C), Chautauqua County
Westfield (V), Chautauqua County
Leroy (V), Genesee County
Elba (V), Genesee County
Wheatfield (V), Niagara County
Buffalo (C), Erie County
Buffalo-Gansen St. (C), Erie County

Fresh Kills, New York City
Port Richmond, New .York City
Bowery Bay, New York City
Tottenville, New York City
Welfare Island, New York City
Hendrix St, New York City
                                  -43-
ELIGIBLE PROJECT
      COST
  FWPCA
GRSHT FUNDS
REQUIRED(557.)
$ 305,000
747,458
918,644
310,000
70,000
380,000
153,000
325,000
1,150,000
1,250,000
1,750,000
6,000,000
766,100
2,034,000
150,000
800,000
252,000
200,000
305,000
176,000
830,500
183,000
327,000
810,200
479,700
4,500,000
437,000
840,000
2,600,000
1,783,600
1,017,000
158,700
600,000
11,000,000
1,000,000
16,500,000
57,000,000
13,200,000
7,300,000
2,200,000
2,900,000
$ 167,750
411,102
505,254
170,500
38,500
209,000
84,150
178,750
632,500
687,500
962,500
3,300,000
421,355
1,118,700
82,500
440,000
138,600
110,000
167,750
96,800
456,775
100,650
179,850
445,610
263,835
2,475,000
240,350
462,000
1,430,000
980,980
559,350
87,285
330,000
6,050,000
550,000
9,075,000
31,350,000
7,260,000
4,015,000
1,210,OOC
1,595,000

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APPLICANT

Paerdegat Basin, New York City
Fresh Creek, New York City
Throgs Neck, New York City
Boston Road, New York City
Conner Street, New York City
Bushnell Avenue, New York City
Bergen Basin, New York City
Thurston Basin, New York City
Marine Park, New York City
Upper East River-Tallman Island Area,
Upper East River-Bowery Bay Area, NYC
Upper East River-Bronx East River Area,
Coney Island STP Improvement, New York
STP Improvements, New York City
26th Ward, New York City
    ELIGIBLE PROJECT
    	COST	

    $20,000,000
     10,000,000
     27,000,000
      6,800,000
      2,900,000
      5,400,000
     57,000,000
     34,000,000
     13,000,000
     62,000,000
     83,000,000
 NYC 52,000,000
City    200,000
     15,000,000
     16,000,000
Waterloo (V), Seneca County                    743,000
Churchville (V), Monroe County               1,600,000
Perinton (T)-Westside, Monroe County           650,000
Perinton (T)-Thomas Creek, Monroe County       500,000
Perinton (T)-Bushnell Basin, Monroe County     280,000
Spencerport (V),Monroe County                  550,000
Wayland (V), Steuben County                    500,000

Deposit (V), Broome County                     360,000
Union (T), Broome County                       139,000
Sherburne (V), Chenango County                 365,884
Dolgeville (V), Herkimer County                  40,000
Herkimer (V), Herkimer County                1,313,000
Little Falls (C), Herkimer County            2,938,250
Alexandria Bay (V), Jefferson County         1,000,000
LaFargeville (H), Jefferson  County             400,000
Clayton (V), Jefferson County                  454,000
Morrisville (V), Madison County                250,000
Altrnar (V), Oswego County                      100,000
Marcy (T), Oneida County                       255,000
Paris (T), Oneida County                         50,000
Oriskany Falls (V), Oneida County              275,000
Vernon (T), Oneida County                      265,000
Waterville (V), Oneida County                  450,000
Cicero (T), Onondaga County                      19,000
Clay (T), Onondaga County                        34,000
Geddes S,D. Onondaga Co.DPW, Onondaga County  435,000
Parish (V), Oswego County                      215,000
iWaverly (V), Tioga County                      450,000
Oryden (T)-Varna'S.D., Tompkins  County        130,500
   ?WPCA
 GRANT FUNDS
 REQUIRED(55%)

$11,000,000
  5,500,000
 14,850,000
  3,740,000
  1,595,000
  2,970,000
 31,350,000
 18,700,000
  7,150,000
 34,100,000
 45,650,000
 28,600,000
    110,000
  8,250,000
  8,800,000

    408,650
    880,000
    357,500
    275,000
    154,000
    302,500
    275,000

    198,000
      76,450
    201,236
      22,000
    722,150
  1,616,037
    550,000
    220,000
    249,700
    137,500
      55,000
    140,250
      27,500
    151,250
    145,750
    247,500
      10,450
      18,700
    239,250
    118,250
    247,500
      71,775
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                            TABLE 8 (continued)
APPLICANT
                                          ELIGIBLE PROJECT
                                               COST
                                              2,
Newburgh (C), Orange County
Warwick (T), S.D. #1, Orange County
Woodbury (T), Orange County
Tuston (V), Sullivan County
Fallsburg  (T), Sullivan County
Ulster (T), Ulster County
Cortland (T), Montrose, Westchester County    2,
Ossining (T), Grotonville, Westchester County
Briar Cliff Manor  (V), Westchester County
Haverstraw (V), Rockland County               2,
Otisville  (V), Orange County
Cortland (T)-Fawn Bridge; Westchester County
760,000
 50,000
730,110
135,000
390,000
600,000
000,000
151,000
775,000
800,000
250,000
300.000
    FWPCA
 GRANT FUNDS
 REQUIRED(55%)

$  1,518,000
      27,500
     401,560
      74,250
     214,500
     330,000
   1,100,000
      83,050
     426,250
   1,540,000
     137,500
     165,000
                                          $ 573,711,646     $315,541,464
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                                             TABLE 9
                                 WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PROGRAM
                                        CITY OF NEW YORK

                                       September 15, 1967

                                   (Amounts  are in Thousands)

I
II
III
IV
V
CATEGORIES
Proposed Projects
Sewage and Storm Water
Treatment Facilities
Projects Underway
Sewage and Storm Water
Treatment Facilities
Projects Completed
with Grant Aid-
Sewage Treatment Facilities
Projects Completed
without Grant Aid-
Sewage Treatment Facilities
TOTALS
ELIGIBLE
PROJECT
COSTS
$ 877,500
$ 208,513
$ 14,763
$ 185,850
$1,286,626
PROPOSED OR ACTUAL
GRANTS
FEDERAL
$ 482,625 (557,)
$ 8,775 (17o)
$ 3,248 (1.6%)
$ 1,343 (9.1%)
None
$ 13,366 (1.04)*
STATE
$ 263,250 (3070)
$ 517,725 (59%)
$ 49,712 (23.8%)
$ 128 (0.9%)
None
$ 567,585 (44.1)*
*  Based upon allocation of Federal funds at 1% of eligible project cost for Proposed  Projects.
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     TABLE 10
                                        NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
                                              DIVISION OF PURE WATERS
                                        CONSTRUCTION GRANTS ACTIVITIES UNIT
                                        STATUS OF FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS

                                  FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SEWAGE TREATMENT FACILITIES


                                                 August 31, 1967
DISTRIBUTION:

Municipalities listed (1)
Consulting Engineers for projects listed (1)
Federal Agencies:
     FWPCA, CGA, Washington (1)
     FWPCA, CGA, Boston (1)
     FWPCA, CGA, Metuchen (2)
     FWPCA,  Field Office, Susquehanna (1)
     JPWPCA, Lake Ontario, Field Station
     FWPCA, Lake Erie, Program Office
     EDC-T.DC, Portland (1)
     FHA-DA, Syracuse (1)
     HUD, New York City (2)
     ARC, (NYS) (1)
Delaware River Basin Commission (2)
Interstate Sanitation Commission (3)
State of Connecticut - Department of Agriculture
     and Natural Resources (3)
State of New Jersey - Department of Health (3)
State of Pennsylvania - Department of Health (3)
New England Interstate Water Pollution Control
     Commission (2)
Ohio River Valley Water Sanitation Commission (2)
International Joint Commission (2)
Interstate Commission on the Lake Champlain Basin (2)
Great Lakes States-Upper Mississippi River Board of
     Sanitary Engineers (2)
State of New York:
     Executive Chamber'- Messrs Garrison, McManus and Persico  (1 ea
     Senate Finance Committee - Mr Mason (1)
     Assembly Ways and Means Committee - Dr Miller (1)
     Pure Waters Authority - Messrs Dudley, Hayduk, and
        Saddlemire (2 ea)
     Conference of Mayors - Mr Walsh (1)
     Association of Towns - Mr Sanford (1)
     Hudson River Valley Commission (2)
     Water Resources Commission Members (1 ea)
     Office of Planning Coordination (1)
     Budget - Messrs Collins and Russo (1 ea)
     Audit and Control - Messrs Meek,  Lanahan and Ippolite (1'ea)
     Conservation - Mr Montanari (2)
     Labor - Mr Capuana (1)
     Local Government - Messrs Redmond and Kyle (1 ea)
     NYSDH Central Office - Drs Ingraham, Larimore, Fleck, Baker,
           Quinlivan; Messrs Metzler,  Haberer, Hennigan, Handley,
           Stevens, Grossman, Garvey,  Bogedain, Bumstead,
           Russelmann, MacHarg, Henry, Hill, J. Coffey, Hoffman
           Burns, Burke, Longood, Boyle, Mrs Spargo and
           Mrs Armstrong (1 ea)
           BED-6: BWWUM-3
     NYSDH NYC Office - Dr. Dickson (l)
     RHD (3 ea); Dist Engrs (l ea)| County Engrs (l ea); City
           Engrs (l ea)

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        This report of the status of Federal and State grants for construction of sewage treatment facilities includes
all active projects on which an application (Federal and/or State) has been received.  Projects are included on this
report until final payments are made, and are then listed on a separate Inactive Project Report which is published
semiannually in March and September.

        The data contained herein represents the latest status information available as of the date of the report.
Sources of the data are the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration (FWPCA), the New York State Department of
Health (NYSDH), the Regional Health Engineers, the City (C)9 Town (T), Village (V), or County (Co) involved (or their
Sewer Agency or District), and their Consulting Engineers and Construction Contractors.

        State of New York Grant Contracts are executed with the Applicants only after the following actions have been
completed:  Drawings and specifications have been approved by both NYSDH and FWPCA, NYSDH has issued construction
permit, FWPCA has issued joint FWPCA-NYSDH authority to advertise, construction bids have been reviewed by NYSDH and
FWPCA, real estate is clear, FWPCA has issued the joint FWPCA-NYSDH authority to award construction contracts, and
FWPCA has issued their Part B.

        Comments and questions regarding projects, and the reporting of inaccuracies in this report, should be directed
to the following Construction Grants Activities Program Engineer (CGAPE) personnel:
    For Projects In;

Buffalo Health Region
Rochester Health Region
Syracuse Health Region
Albany^Health Region
White Plains Health Region
New York City
        Engineer

Mr. William C. LaRow, Jr.
Mr. Rocci R. Grimaldi
Mr. George D. Freeman
Mr. Virgil L. Gillham, Jr.
Mr. Robert J. Alpher
Mr. Francis W. Kelly
 Telephone Number

518-474-5052 or 5048
518-474-5052 or 5048
518-474-5048
518-474-5020
518-474-5045 or 5043
518-474-5047 or 5046
        Responsible supervisory personnel, other than CGAPE's, are:

             Title                                             Name
Program Management Administrator
Assistant Program Management Administrator
Assistant for State Contracts
Assistant Chief, Construction Grants Activities
Chief, Construction Grants Activities
                      Mr. Felix H. Heilpern
                      Mr. George W. Wallace
                      Mr. Norman H. Nosenchuck
                      Mr. Francis W. Kelly
                      Mr. William K. Shaffer
   Alternate

Mr. James B. McNally
Mr. James B. McNally
Mr. Ernest F. Trad
Mr. Ernest F. Trad
Mr. Francis W. Kelly
Mr. William K. Shaffer
                             Telephone Number

                            518-474-5052 or 5043
                            518-474=5052 or 5048
                            518-474-5043 or 5045
                            518-474-5047 or 5046
                            518-474-5046 or 5047
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                           STATISTICAL SUMMARY FOR CONSTRUCTION GRANTS PROJECTS LISTED ON STATUS REPORT
New York State
   Projects

Federal Grants
   Proposed:
   Actual:
   Total:
   Number of
Active Projects
    (36)
    155
    191
 Eligible
Project Cost
($487,808,873)
  326.856.776
 $814,665,649
 Grant
Amounts
($19,203,746)**
  34.516.055
 $53,719,801
Payments
To Date
None
$18.145.276
$18,145,276
State Grants;
   Proposed:
   Actual:
   Total:
                            ($558,639,137)
                               98.264.459
                             $657,527,636
                         ($307,873,045)***
                            49.393.980
                         /$357,267,025
                      None
                      $35.288.382
                      $35,288,382
**Recommended Federal grants are based upon the availability of Federal (FWPCA) funds for New York State projects.
  Based upon the proposed appropriation of the Federal Administration, this will result in Congressional appropriation
  of only $203,000,000 nationally  for FY68 instead of the $450,000,006 authorized in the Clean Water Restoration Act
  of 1966.  This action will result  in only $14,530,900 to be allocated for New York State projects, instead of
  $37,588,750.  .Governor Rockefeller has advised the appropriate committees of the Senate and the House of Representatives
  of the requirement for Federal funds for FY68 to provide for the authorized maximum percentages (55% under the Clean
  Water  Restoration Act of  1966,  and generally 30% under prior legislation), and strongly recommended Congressional
  appropriation of  $450,000,000 nationally for FY68.  The FWPCA has also been furnished State of New York program
  requirements.  Congress has not  yet acted upon the Federal Administration proposal.
  Since April 1967, new projects have been programmed at 47. FWPCA participation and 567, State participation.  Unless
  the  Congress appropriates  the authorized $450,000,000 nationally (with $37,588,750 instead of $14,530,900 for New
  York State projects), the  4% FWPCA participation will have to be reduced to 1% FWPCA participation (with 597» State
  participation).

***Proposed State grants are programmed on basis of State guaranteeing 607o (currently 47« Federal and 567« State).
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                                           STA.TISTICAX SUMMARY BY REGIOH
FEDESAL GRANTS
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL

STATE	GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
FEDERAL GRANTS
  Proposed:
  'Actual:
  TOTAL:

STATE GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
FEDERAL GRANTS
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTALi

STATE GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
Number of
Active Projects
(5)
20
25
(19)
6
25
»
(7)
14
21
(13)
2
15
(1)
14
15
(10)
3
13
Eligible
Protect Cost _
ALBANY REGION
($58,377,850)
15,811,920
$74,189,770
($65,957,697)
2,898,970
$68,856,667
BUFFALO REGION
($19,992,430)
18,543,448
$38,535,878
($24,362,491)
2,984,200
$27,346,691
NEW YORK CITY
($200,000,000)
201^127,681
$409,127,^81
($219,093,306)
66,344,580
$285 ,437, -6e6
Grant
Amounts
($2,334,970)
5,237,007
$7,571,977
($35,622,641)
913,440
$36,536,081
($1,165,724)
6,293,381
7,459,105
($12,893,164)
895,260
$13,788,424
($2,000,000)
3,432,382
.$5,432,382
($128,602,436)
39,153,261
$167,755,697
Payments
To Date
None
$3,188,410
$3,188,410
None
$ 489,029
$ 489,029
None
$4,863,111
$4,863,111
None
$ 452; 970
$ 452,970
None
$ 802,000
$ 802,000
None
$30,674,250
$30,6-74,250
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                                          STATISTICAL SUMMARY BY REGION  (continued)
FEDERAL GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:

STATE GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
FEDERAL GRANTS
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:

STATE GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
FEDERAL GRANTS
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:

STATE' GRANTS:
  Proposed:
  Actual:
  TOTAL:
Number
Active Prelects
i:
(10)
38
48
(33)
12
45
i ,
(5)
36
41
(26)
13
39
1:
(8)
33
41
(28)
11
39
Eligible
Project Cost
ROCHESTER REGION
($58,089,243)
28,007,813
$86,097,056
($75,010,278)
5,294,913
$0,305,191
SYRACUSE REGION
($25,539,000)
29,569,427
$55,108,427
($39,4958,304)
12,060,991
$51,559,395
WHITE PLAINS REGION
($126,810,350)
25.796,497
$152,606,837
($134,7i7,Gfrl)
8^660,805
$143,397,866
Grant
Amounts
($3,294,922)
5,304,541
8,599,463
($40,810,544)
1,638,408
42,448,952
($1,021,560)
7,374.144
$8,395,704
($19-,942,D81)
4,105,278
$24,047,339
($9,386,570)
6,874,600
$16,261,170
(?70,002,179)
2 f 688, 333
72,678,512
Payments
To Date
None
$2,843,374
$2,843,374
None
$ 798,996
798,996
None
$3,415,741
$3,415,741
None
$2,299,164
$2,299,164
None
$3,032,640
$3,032,640
None
$ 573,973
573,973
                                                                                                                           to
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( ) Amounts In parenth*
+ Plus sign next to j
comprehensive regii
* Asterisk indicates
addition to the re|
OOP Line under project
Restoration Act of
Project Applicant
Number Countv
388
298
387
317
377
258
353
256
Albany Co. S. D.
Albany
Altamont (V)
Albany
Coeymans (T)
Albany
Colonie (T)
Albany
Colonie (T)
Albany
Hudson (C)
Columbia
Keeseville (V)
Clinton
Sidney (V)
Delaware
sole are propose*
jroject indicate*
raal planning.
the project has
jular 30% FWPCA s
number indicate!
1966.
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
(38,253,000)
(38,253,000)
162,500
162,500
(825,600)
(825,600)
200,000
(200,000)
(600,000)
(600,000)
1,105,170
1,105,170
660,260
(660,260)
304,500
(304,500)
1 projects costs and grant amounts.
i that project has received an additional FWPCA 10% for compliance with
received an additional 20% grant from Accelerated Public Works Program in
;rant .
5 that project will be compensated under the conditions of the Clean Water
Grant Payments
Amount
Federal
State
ALBANY
(1,530,000)
(21,421,700)
5,000
92,500
(33,000)
(462,300)
60,000
(60,000)
(24,000)
(336,000)
331,550
331,550
35,000
(361,150)
91,350
(91,350)
Percent
Federal
State
REGION
(4)
(56)
3.08
56.92
(4)
(56)
30
(30)
(4)
(56)
30
30
5.30
(54.70)
30
(30.)
To Date
Federal
State
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
269,500
242,550
None
None
None
None
Percent
Completed Pro 1e6t -Status Comment
0 Awaiting establishment of
Sewer District, and submission
of application and elngrg rpt
15 Under construction
0 Awaiting application and
engineering report
0 Bids taken joint NYSDH-FWPCA
approval to award held in
abeyance until easements are
acquired
0 Additional application infor-
mation to be supplied by
Applicant
99 Awaiting request for final
inspection
0 Authorized to advertise for
bidsjheld in abeyance for
inclusion of additional
interceptors
10
0 Additional information to be "J
supplied by Applicant

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Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State

Percent
Federal
State
ALBANY REGION
366
180




108
338
339
389
255

283
369
Stamford (V)
Delaware
Port Henry (V)
Essex
Franklin County:
Fulton County:
Greene County:
Hamilton County:
Canajoharie (V)
Montgomery
Cooperstown (V)
Otsego
Milford (V)
Otsego
Rensselaer Co.S.D
Rensselaer
Hoosick Falls (V)
Rensselaer
Canton (V)
St . Lawrence
Canton (V)
St. Lawrence
(699,250)
(699,250)
343,600
(74,349)
(27,970)
(391,580)
162,500
(22,304)
(4)
(56)
50*
(30)
Payments
To Date
Federal Percent
State 	 Cot
(continued)
None
None
146,200
None
noleted Project Status Comment
0 Grant application to be returned to
Applicant for amendment
99 Completed; final payment not made
technical deficiencies being corrected
by Applicant; State pick-up contract
being reviewed by Audit and Control
No Active Projects
No Active Projects
No Active Projects
No Active Projects
889,864
(133,470)
618,000
(618,000)
51,328
(51,328)
.(18,000,000)
(18,000,000)
649,600
(649,600)
77,500
77,500
1,805,000
(1,805,000)
223,125
(40,040)
316,416
(185,400)
10,890
(19,900)
(720,000)
(10,080,000)
194,880
(194,880)
23,250
23,250
72,200
(1,010,800)
29.43
(30)
51.2**
(30)
21.22
(38.78)
4
56
30
(30)
30
30
4
(56)
194,600
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
99 Additional information to be submitted
by Applicant for request of final
inspection
0 ARC grant approved
0 New application and engineering report
to be submitted by Applicant
0 Awaiting establishment of Sewer
District, and submission of application
and engrg rpt
0 Engineering report jmd plans & specs.
under review by FWPCA
99 Payments will not be made until sheet.
of construction of STP under Project 369
0 Grant offer forwarded to applicant
NJ
Ul
* Percent includes 21.2 ARC grant

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Project Applicant
Number County

316
196
320
203
291
195
194
284

Edwards (V)
St . Lawrence
Ogdensburg (C)
St. Lawrence
Potsdam (V)
St . Lawrence
Saratoga County
Niskayuna (T)
Schenectady
Schenectady (C)
Schenectady
Sharon Springs
Schoharie
Lake George (V)
Warren
Lake George (T)
Warren
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State

168,500
(168,500)
3,372,620
(75,975)
2,750,000
(2,750,000)
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
ALBANY
50,550
(50,550)
1,686,310
(22,790)
825,000
(825,000)
: No Active Projects
1,501,793 750,896
900,000 270,000
82,690
(82,690)
(V) 150,000
(6,175)
328,695
63,500
590, 100
590,300
5,000
(44,614)
70,500
(2,283)
145,500
19,050
177,090
177,090
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed
Project Status
Comment
REGION (continued)
30
(30)
50*
(30)
30
(30)
50*
30
6.04
(53.96)
50*
(30)
50*
30
30
30
None
None
1,686,310
None
None
None
675,800
229,919
None
None
70,500
None
145,500
16,560
None
None
0
99
0
99
15
99
99
25
Under construction. State contract
being prepared.
Completed; State pick-up contract to
be prepared
Plans & specs under review by
FWPCA
Completed; final audit being processed
Under construction; definite location
of easement to be obtained by Applicant
State pick-up contract sent to
Applicant

Completed; awaiting final State audit
Under construction

Washington County:  No Active Projects
                                                                                                                   to
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Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State

Percent
Federal
State
Payments
_ To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed Project Status Comment
BUFFALO REGION
279
379
245
191
149
175
197
323
193
238
385
370+
Salamanca (V)
Cattaraugus
Dunkirk (C)
Chautauqua
Silver Creek (V)
Chautauqua
Akron (V)
Erie
Amherst (T)
Erie
Amherst (T)SD#16
Erie
Cheektowaga (T)
Erie
Cheektowaga (T)
Erie
Erie County SD#2
Erie
Erie County SD#3
Erie
Erie County SD#3
Erie
Erie Co. Home &
Penitentiary-Erie
(1,795,000)
(1,795,000)
(8,735,000)
(8,735,000)
1,543,600
1,543,600
(71,800)
(1,005,200)
(349,400)
(4,891,600)
763,156
463,080
405,900 202,950
None; completed prior to
2,027,659 600,000
None; completed prior to
1,565,228 469,568
None; completed prior to
853,440
(166,000)
(1,833,000)
(1,833,000)
2,406,725
(3,864)
3,774,936
(2,420,674)
(246,530)
(246,530)
270,000
(270,000)
422,000
(50,000)
(73,320)
(1,026,480)
1,203,362
(1,159)
1,084,300
(757,187)
(9,860)
(138,057)
11,880
(151,200)
(4)
(56)
(4)
(56)
None
None
None
None
49.44** 530,300
30 294,300
50
May 12,
29.59
May 12,
30
May 12,
49.45
(30)
(4)
(56)
50*
(30)
177,750
1965
413,800
1965
398,400
1965
288,100
None
None
None
1,203,362
None
28.72 792,500
(31.28) None
(4)
(56)
4.4
(56)
None
None
None
None
0
0
95
99
99
99
99
0
99
95
0
0
0
Application and Engrg rpt revisions
required from Applicant
Awaiting completed application and
approved engineering report
Under construction
Completed; final payment not made;
operational difficulties not resolved
by Applicant
Completed; final payment being
processed
Completed; awaiting final audit
Completed; State pick-up contract to
be prepared
Application returned to Applicant
for revision
Completed; State pick-up contract to
be prepared
Under construction; State pick-up
contract being executed; multi-municipal
project
Application under review by NYSDH
FWPCA grant offer accepted by Applicant
** Percent includes FWPCA 30% Appal 19.44%

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Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Payments
: To Date
Federal Federal
State
State
Percent
Completed
Prolect Status Comment
BUFFALO REGION (continued)
123
164
257
324
199
376
359
382
350+
217
Hamburg (T)
Erie
Hamburg (T)
Erie
Lackawanna (C)
Erie
Tonawanda (T)
Erie
Batavia (C)
Genesee
Oakfield (V)
Genesee
Lockport (C)
Niagara
Middleport (V)
Niagara
Youngstown (V)
Niagara
Medina (V)
Orleans
1,000,871 250,000
None; completed prior to
1,094,786 328,436
None; completed prior to
1,440,600
1,440,600
1,140,000
(1,140,000)
1,429,430
369,523
(345,000)
(345,000)
(6,334,000)
(6,334,000)
(703,900)
(703,900)
34,400
(34,400)
556,744
78,927
432,180
432,180
57,000
(627,000)
428,829
110,857
(13,800)
(193,200)
(253,360)
(3,547,040)
(28,156)
(394,184)
11,350
(10,320)
278,370
23,678
24.98
May 12,
30
May 12,
30
30
5
(55)
30
30
(4)
(56)
(4)
(56)
(4)
(56)
33
(30)
50*
30
183,900
1965
175,400
1965
176,300
158,670
None
None
428,829
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
278,370
None
99
99
75
0
99
0
0
0
0
0
99
Completed; final payment being
processed
Completed; final payment not made;
deficiency to be resolved by Applicant
Under construction
FWPCA grant offer accepted by
Applicant
State pick-up contract executed
Awaiting receipt of approved
Engineering Report
FWPCA grant offer forwarded to
Applicant
Application undef review by NYSDH
FWPCA grant -offer accepted by
Applicant
Completed; awaiting final audit
Wyoming County - No Active Projects
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                                                                                       11
Eligible
Project Applicant
Number County
348
345+
229
109
321
230
158
86
178
357+
346
Camp LaGuardia
New York City
Coney Island
New York City
Hillcrest Center
Westchester
Jamaica
New York City
Jamaica
New York City
Mt. Kisco
New York City
Mt. Kisco SPS
New York City
Newtown Creek
New York City
North River
New York City
Owl's Head
New York City
Port Richmond
New York City
p^«ja^«. Grant
cnai- Amount Percent
Federal Federal Federal
State State State
NEW YORK CITY
144,000 43,200 30
(144,000) (43,200) (30)
4,066,600 220,000 5.41
(4, 066, 600) (2, 239, 883) (55.08)
213,527 64,058 30
(211,172) (63,351) (30)
18,289,687 250 » 000 1:37
(254,563) (232,819) (58.63)
450,700 135,210 30
450,700 135,210 30
335,800 100,740 30
None; completed prior to May 12
470,615 141,184 30
None; completed prior to May 12
162,924,041 250,000 0.15
64,488,733 38,596,507 59.85 30
(200, 000, 000) (2, 000, 000) (1)
(200,000,000)018,000,000) (59)
123,000 39,990 33
(123,000) (36,900) (30)
3,538,000 200,000 5.65
(3, 538, 000) (1,985, 256) (54.35)
Payments
To Date
Federal Percent
State Completed
REGION
None 0
None
None 0
None
None 99
None
225jOOO 99
None
None 34
None
None 99
, 1965
127,000 100
, 1965
225,000 93
,357,630
None 0
None
None 0
None
None 0
None
Proiect Status Comment
NYSDH processing of application held
in abeyance at Applicant's request
FWPCA grant offer accepted by
Applicant
FWPCA and State made final inspec-
tion. FWPCA final payment and State
pick-up contract being prepared.
Final audit for final Federal pay-
ment awaits Applicants submission
of several change orders for ap-
proval; State pick-up contract
being prepared.-
Under construction
FWPCA final inspection awaiting data
requested of Applicant
Completed
Under construction
Application under review by NYSDH
FWPCA grant offer accepted by
Applicant
FWPCA grant offer forwarded to
Applicant
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Project
Number
Applicant
  County
Bligibi*
Project
Cost

Federal
 State
                                        Amount
Federal
 State
Grant	   Payments
      Percent   To Date

      Federal   Federal
       State
State
 Percent
Completed
                                                                                                  Project Status Comment
 347   Spring Creek
      New York City

 166   Tallmans Island
      New York City

 214   Wards  Island
      New York City
363   Wards  Island
      New York City
                                                NEW YORK CITY REGION   (continued)
               10,487,000 1,200,000    11.44
               (10,487,000)^,350,323)  (48.56)

                5,593,211   250,000    4.47
                 (237,271) (131,757) (55.53)
               1,460,000
               1,405,147
             438,000
             421,544
              30
              30
               1,031,500    100,000    9.69
               (1,031,500)  (518,947) (50.31)
                None
                None

                225,000
                None

                None
                316,620
                                  None
                                  None
                                                 99
              95
              FWPCA grant offer accepted by
              Applicant

              FWPCA final inspection will be sche-
              duled   soon; •  State pick-up contract
              being prepared
              Under construction. FWPCA withholding
              payment of $327,430, pending NYC
              documentation of auto public
              liability insurance
              FWPCA grant offer forwarded to
              Applicant
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Project Applicant
Number County
311
356
182
354
325
297+
314
260
326
137
281+
327+
Belmont (V)
Allegany
Caneadea (T)
Allegany
Cuba (V)
Allegany
Friendship (V)
Allegany
Chemung Co. SD#1
Chemung
Elmira (C)
Chemung
Avon (V)
Livingston
Lima (V)
Livingston
Nunda (V)
Livingston
Brighton (T) SD#2
Monroe
Brighton (T)
Monroe
Brighton SD #2
Monroe
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
427,300
(427,300)
492,700
(483,000)
302,500
44,600
326,300
(326,300)
(1,100,000)
(1,100,000)
178,000
(178,000)
(628,300)
(628,300)
407,400
407,400
394,000
(394,400)
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
229,460
(128,190)
19,700
(270,480)
151,250
13,380
97,890
(97,890)
(44,000)
(616,000)
58,740
(53,400)
(25,132)
(351,848)
122,220
122,220
118,000
(118,000)
151,638 45,490
None completed prior
767,333
767,333
3,999,000
(3,999,000)
221,920
258,650
220,000
(2,199,450)
Percent
Federal
State
ROCHESTER
53.7**
(30)
4
(56)
50*
30
30
(30)
(4)
(56)
33
(30)
(4)
(56)
30
30
30
(30)
30
to 5/12/65
29.29
33.71
5.5
(55)
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
REGION
None
None
None
None
151,250
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
71,600
64,470
None
None
38,600
153,000
None
None
None
Percent
Completed
0
0
99
0
0
0
0
99
0
99
99
0
1J
Prolect Status Comment
Increase in grant accepted by
Applicant
Grant offer accepted by Applicant
State pick-up contract executed
Authorized to advertise for bids
FWPCA grant application being
processed by NYSDH
Applicant will request increase
in grant
FWPCA reviewing plans & specs.
Awaiting request for final
inspection
Authorized to advertise for bids
Completed; final payment not made;
addtl info requested by FWPCA
Awaiting request for final inspection
FWPCA reviewing changes in plans
**Percent  includes  FWPCA - 307. and ARC  -  23.7%
(o
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Project Applicant
Number County

240
315+
147
152
151
310+
202
231
246
264
288
287

Brockport (V)
Monroe
Gates-Chili-Ogden
Monroe (T)
East Rochester (V)
Monroe
Greece (T)
Monroe
Greece (T)
Monroe
Greece (T)
Monroe
Henrietta (T)
Monroe
Henrietta (T)
Monroe
Hilton (V)
Monroe
Irondequoit (T)
Monroe
Irondequoit (T)
Monroe
Penfield (T)
Monroe
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State

940,000
940,000
469,300
(469,300)
829,000
(9,000)
Grant
Amount
Federal
State

282,000
282,000
140,790
(140,790)
248,700
(2,700)
447,320 117,844
None; completed prior
207,500 31,347
None; completed prior
1,420,500
(1,420,500)
543,800
(150,000)
592,992
(300,000)
238,000
238 j 000
623,400
624,400
280,000
280,000
89,300
89,280
56,820
(795,480)
163,140
(5,000)
177,897
(90,000)
71,400
71;400
187,000
187,000
92,400
84,000
5,100
48,468
Percent
Federal
State
ROCHESTER
30
30
33
(30)
30
30
26.34
to 5/12/65
15.11
to 5/12/65
4
(56)
30
(30)
30
(30)
30
30
30
30
33
30
5.72
54.28
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed
REGION (continued)
227,700
204,930
None
None
248,700
None
105,700
28,200
None
None
143,000
None
177,897
None
41,300
37,170
63,000
147,690
63,000
None
3,700
42,120
99
0
99
99
99
0
99
99
99
99
85
99
14
Prolect 'Status Comment

Final inspection made
Authorized to advertise for bids
State pick-up contract being
prepared
Awaiting correction of operational
difficulties by Applicant
Awaiting correction of operational
difficulties by Applicant
Authorized to advertise for bids
State pick-up contract being
prepared
State pick-up contract being
prepared
Final inspection made
Final inspection requested by
Applicant
Under construction
Federal participation to be increa;
to 30% prior to effecting final
payment

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15
Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Payments
t To Date
Federal Federal
State
ROCHESTER
233
328
270+
243
261
192
3?_5_
293
299+
249
272
330
157
Penfield SD#3
Monroe
Ferinton (T)
Monroe
Perinton (T)
Monroe
Pittsford (T)
Monroe
Pittsford (V)
Monroe
Rochester (C)
Monroe
Rochester (C)
Monroe
Scottsville (V)
Monroe
Webster (T)
Monroe
Webster (V)
Monroe
Farmington (T)
Ontario
Hopewell (T)
Ontario
Phelps (V)
Ontario
472,530
(250,000)
(468,243)
(468,243)
220,000
(220,000)
186,800
186,800
144,500
(144,500)
1,992,608
(69,671)
(50,000,000)
(50,000,000)
510,000
(510,000)
3,207,800
(3,207,800)
747,000
747,000
805,000
813,500
116,000
(116,000)
626,100
42,264
141,759
(75,000)
(18,730)
(262,216)
73,200
(66,000)
56,040
56,040
43,350
(43,350)
597,780
(20,001)
(2,000,000)
(28,000,000)
20,400
V 285, 600)
128,312
(1,796,368)
224,100
224,100
241,500
244,050
34,800
(34,800)
313,050
12,679
30
(30)
(4)
(56)
33
(30)
30
30
30
(30)
30
(30)
(4)
(56)
4
(56)
4
(56)
30
30
30
30
30
(30)
50*
30
State
Percent
Completed
REGION (continued)
127,500
None
None
None
40,800
None
50,300
51,300
None
None
318,700
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
145,200
130,716
134,000
120,600
None
None
313,050
None
99
0
95
99
0
99
0
0
20
99
99
0
99
Jb^
Proiect Status Comment
State contract being prepared
FWPCA Applic and oigrg rpt under
review by NYSDH
Town to resubmit request for grant
increase
Awaiting request for final
inspection
Will start construction when con-
tractor receives special pump
State contract sent to Applicant
for signature
Application to be revised by
Applicant
Under construction
Under construction; Town to ask for
increase in grant
Awaiting request for final
inspection by Applicant
Awaiting correction of construction
deficiencies
Authorized to advertise for bids
Completed; State payment being
processed
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Project Applicant
Number County
Kliglble
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed
J.O
Proiect Status Comnent
ROCHESTER REGION (continued)
273


372
331
373
280
252
380
m
312 +
332
145
Victor (V)
Ontario
Schuyler County:
Seneca Falls (V)
Seneca
Corning (C)
Steuben
Erwin (T)
Steuben
Home 11 (C)
Steuben
Newark (V)
Wayne
Sodus (V)
Wayne
Newark (V)
Wayne
Dundee (V)
Yates
Keuka Park SD
Yates
Penn Yan (V)
Yates
222,000
(222,000)
66,300
(66,300)
30
(30)
None
None
5
Under construction

No Active Projects
(2,502,000)
(2,502,000)
(968,000)
(968,000)
(918,000)
(918,000)
2,422,500
(2,422,500)
157,000
157,000
(589,700)
(589,700)
1,550,000
(1,550,000)
500,000
(500,000)
405,000
(405,000)
510,692
(19,500)
(600,480)
(1,401,120)
(250,712)
(542,080)
(220,320)
(514,080)
82,365
(1,356,600)
47,100
47,100
(23,948)
(335,272)
77,500
(852,500)
165,000
(150,000)
91,200
(121,500)
153,277
(5,850)
(24)*
(56)
(25.9)**
(56)
(24)*
(56)
34***
(56)
30
30
(4)
(56)
5
(55)
33
(30)
22.52
(30)
30
(30)
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
33,900
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
153,277
None
0
0
0
0
99
0
0
5
0
99
Grant application being reviewed
by FWPCA
Grant application cannot be
by FWPCA until ARC approval
received
Application under review by
Authorized to advertise for
Final inspection nade rState
being processed
Application under review by
issued
is
NYSDH
bids
payment
NYSDH
Grant offer forwarded to Applicant
Under construction
Awaiting furtber information
Applicant

from
State payment being processed
                                                                                                                            to
**
      Percent includes
      Percent includes
FWPCA 4%  and ARC  -  21.9%
FWPCA 4% and ARC - 30%

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Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed
Project Status Comment
SYRACUSE REGION
306
228
223
226
295+
242
271+
211
349
263
96
285+
Dickinson (T)
Broome
Endicott (V)
Broome
Johnson City (V)
Broome
Kirkwood SD#1
Broome
Vestal (T)
Broome
Vestal (T) SD#1
Broome
Auburn (C)
Cayuga
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Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
J.O
Percent
Completed Prolect Status Comment
SYRACUSE REGION (continued)
277
300
113
292
301
254
259
360
303+
302+
371
234
Bainbridge (V)
Chenango
Greene (V)
Chenango
Norwich (C)
Chenango
Water town (C)
Jefferson
Castorland (V)
Lewis
Canastota (V)
Madison
Chittenango (V)
Madison
Hamilton (V)
Madison
Camden (V)
Oneida
Kirkland (T)
Oneida
Oneida Co. SD
Oneida
DPW Camillus (T)
Onondaga
640,300
640,300
395,700
(395,700)
612,100
(3,821)
1,334,410
(1,334,410)
104,200
(104,200)
1,015,280
1,015,280
491,300
491,300
392,000
(392,000)
30,200
(30,200)
293,000
(293,000)
(20,029,000)
(20,029,000)
684,925
(684,925)
336,500
192,106
217,239
(118,710)
183,630
(1,146)
190,000
(610,646)
5,000
(57,518)
304,584
304,584
147,390
147,390
20,000
(215,208)
9,960
(9,060)
96,690
(87,900)
(801,160)
(11,216,240)
116,910
(294,039)
52.55**
30
114,500
59,490
54.90**** None
(30) None
30
(30)
14.2
45.8
4.80
(55.20)
30
30
30
30
5.10
(54.90)
33
(30)
33
(30)
(4)
(56)
17.07
(42.93)
165,200
None
None
None
None
None
274,100
274,125
132,600
128,610
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
55
0
99
31
0
99
99
0
5
0
0
85
Under construction
Bids exceeded authorized amount; new
referendum required; ARC grant approved
Final audit completed; State pick-up
contract to be executed
Percent completed revised to reflect
increase in scope of project
Authorized to advertise for bids
Final audit completed; final payment
awaiting resolution of operational
deficiencies
Final inspection awaits correction of
operational deficiencies
Authorized to advertise for bids
Construction started
Authorized to award contract
Application under review by NYSDH
Under construction; State contract
being prepared iO
**
      Percent  includes  FWPCA -  7.45% - ARC -45.10%
      APW Piro^Gct
**** Percent includes FWPCA - 30% - ARC - 24.90%
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Project
Number
319+
335
358+
308
266+
296+
313+
251
225
132
386
336
239
Applicant
County
Camillus (V)
Onondaga
DeWitt (T)
Onondaga
Ley Creek
Modification to
STP, Onondaga
Manlius (V) SD
Onondaga
DPW Onondaga Co.
Onondaga
Onondaga Co. Jail
Onondaga
Onondaga (Co)
Onondaga
Salina (T)
Onondaga
Central Square
Oswego
Fulton (C)
Oswego
Oswego (C)
Oswego
Pulaski (V)
Oswego
Owego (V)
Tioga
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
SYRACUSE REGION (continued)
64,700
(64,700)
(80,000)
(80,000)
3,299,140
(3,299,140)
132,100
(132,100)
4,893,000
4,893,000
95,300
(95,300)
1,890,000
(1,890.000)
476,100
476,100
368,607
290,000
1,432,201
1,432,201
(4,254,000)
(4,254,000)
(566,000)
(566,000)
675,400
653,100
21,350
(19,410)
(3,200)
(44,800)
220,000
(1,779,556)
39,630
(39,630)
1,278,090
1,773,718
26,400
(33,183)
623,700
(567,000)
142,830
142,830
110,582
87,000
250,000
609,320
(170,160)
(2,382,240)
(22,640)
(316,960)
202,620
195,930
33
(30)
(4)
(56)
6.67
(53.94)
30
(30)
26.12
36.25
27.70
(34,82)
33
(30)
30
30
30
30
17,46
42.54
(4)
(56)
(4)
(56)
30
30
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
993,500
1,031,670
None
None
None
None
142,830
None
110,582
76,451
169,200
298,275
None
None
None
None
125,700
149,633
Percent
Completed
0
0
0
5
90
0
0
99
99
95
0
0
99
19
Prelect Status Comment
Authorized to award contract
Application under review by NYSDH
FWPCA grant offer accepted by
Applicant
Under construction
Under construction; a multi-municipal
project
Under construction
Applicant revising plans & specs
State payment being prepared
Final State audit requested
Plant in operation; awaiting Applicants
request for final inspection
Grant application under review by NYSDH
FWPCA grant application being held by
NYSDH pending receipt of revised engr rpt
Applicant has submitted additional ^
information in preparation for final y\

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                                                                                                                  20
Project Applicant
Number County
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
Percent
Completed Project Status Comment
SYRACUSE REGION (continued)
278
224
267
167
Dryden (V)
Tompkins
Ithaca (C)
Tompkins
Ithaca (C)
Tompkins
Trumansburg (V)
757,000
757,000
154,800
(20,000)
327,000
327,000
486,905
401,520
227,100
46,400
(6,000)
98,100
98,100
137,100
53.04**
30
30
(30)
30
30
28.15
150,900
78,860
46,400
None
84,700
63,990
113,000
60 Under construction
99 State pick-up contract being
processed
98 Awaiting Applicant's request for
final inspection
99 Completed; final payment not made;
      Tompkins
None; completed prior to May 12, 1965
awaiting Applicant'resolution
of difficulties
**    Federal Aid under PL 660 - 307. and ARC 214 - 23.04%

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Project
Number

378
340
318
236
289+
341+
250
305+
361
190
130
351
342+
Applicant
County

Arlington SD
Dutchess
Wappinger (T)
Dutchess
Cedarhurst (V)
Nassau
Glen Cove (C)
Nassau
Great Neck SD#1
Nassau
Great Neck (V)
Nassau
Lawrence (V)
Nassau
Long Beach (C)
Nassau
Nassau Co. SDD#3
Nassau
No. Hemps tead (T)
Nassau
Oyster Bay SD#1
Nassau
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
Percent
Federal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
WHITE PLAINS REGION
(2,400,000)
(2,400,000)
(88,000)
(88,000)
944,300
944,300
123,691
(48,000)
1,115,900
1,115,900
265,000
(265,000)
1,654,907
1,654,907
260,000
(260,000)
(93,554,500)
(93,554,500)
400,000
(90,000)
1,161,300
(136,000)
Port Washington SD 525,000
Nassau (525,000)
Roslyn (V) 58,400
Nassau (58,400)
(96,000)
(1,344,000)
(3,520)
(49,280)
270,000
296,580
36,000
(14,832)
368,240
334,770
87,450
(79,500)
427,350
565,594
85,800
(78,000)
(3,742,180)
(52,390,520)
120,000
(27,000)
348,390
(41,000)
21,000
(294,000)
19,270
(17,520)
(4)
(56)
(4)
(56)
28.59
31.41
29.10
(30.9)
33
30
33
(30)
25.82
34.18
33
(30)
(4)
(56)
30
(30)
30
(30)
4
(56)
33
(30)
None
None
None
None
None
None
36,000
None
None
None
None
None
384,600
430,665
None
None
None
None
120,000
None
287,900
None
None
None
None
None
Percent
Completed Prelect Status Comment

0
0
0
99
60
0
99
0
0
99
99
0
0


FWPCA application under review by NYSDH
Applicant securing title to necessary
property
Construction started; State contract
executed
State contract to be prepared
Under construction; State contract
executed
Bids to be received by Applicant on
Sept. 26, 1967
Awaiting final FWPCA audit
State contract being prepared
Grant application being processed by
FWPCA
State pick-up contract being prepared
State pick-up contract being prepared










FWPCA grant offer forwarded to Applicant
Authorized to advertise for bids $
00

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Project
Number
265
368

352
208
53
364
362+
294+

282
244
176
275+
Applicant
County
Cornwall (T)
Orange
Cornwall (T)&(V)
Orange
Goshen (V)
Orange
Montgomery (V)
Orange
Newburgh (C)
Orange
New Windsor (T)
Orange
Walden (V)
Orange
Washingtonville
Orange
Carmel (T)
Putnam
Cold Spring (V)
Putnam
Orange town (T)
Rockland
Orangetown (T)
Rockland
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
157,805
157,805
(954,800)
(954,800)
750,000
(75.0,000)
320,000
(8,300)
(5,683,000)
(5,683,000)
1,650,000
(1,650,000)
300,000
v(300,000)
(V) 512,000
(512,000)
442,000
(442,000)
500-,,000
(500,000)
633,800
(29,000)
242,200
242,200
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
47,340
47,342
(38,192)
(534,688)
40,000
(410,000)
160,000
(2,500)
(227,320)
(3,182,480)
66,000
(924,000)
99,000
(90,000)
168,960
(153,600)
132,600
(132,600)
144,300
(155,700)
183,810
(9,000)
79,920
72,650
Percent
Federal
State
WHITE PLAINS
30
30
(4)
(56)
5.33
(54.67)
50*
(30)
(4)
(56)
4
(56)
33
(30)
33
(30)
30
(30)
28.86
(31.14)
29
(31)
33
30
Payments
To Date
Federal Percent
State
REGION
41,400
41,493
None
None
None
None
160,000
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
183,810
None
67,500
62,550
Completed
(continued)
99
0
0
99
0
0
0
0
99
0
99
99
Project Status Comment
Final FWPCA & State audit completed
Grant application being processed
by FWPCA.
Bids received by Applicant Aug. 28, 1967
State pick-up contract forwarded to
Applicant for signature
Application being reviewed by NYSDH
FWPCA grant offer accepted by Applicant
Applicant supplying additional info
to FWPCA
Awaiting FWPCA approval of revised
plans and specifications
State pick-up contract being prepared
Redesign of treatment plant under
review by NYSDH
State pick-up contract being prepared
Awaiting final audit ^
U3

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Project Applicant
Number County
290+
9
274+
268+
343+
237
28
355
253
322
365
232
247
Orangetown (T)
Rockland
Piermont (V)
Rockland
Rockland Co.SD#l
Rockland
Stony Point (T)
Rockland
Huntington SD
Suffolk
Northport (V)
Suffolk
Southampton (T)
Suffolk
Suffolk Co.Comm.
College-Suffolk
Libetty (V)
Sullivan
Rockland (T)
Sullivan
South Fallsburg SD
Sullivan
Ellenville
Ulster
Buchanan (V)
Westchester
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
Grant
Amount' I
Fedtral I
Stile1

•ercent
'ederal
State
Payments
To Date
Federal
State
WHITE PLAINS REGION
3,533,600
3,533,600
357,900
357,900
(22,521,000)
(22,521,000)
1>619,200
(1,619,200)
184,600
184,600
34,400
34,400
1» 166, 080
1,060,080
107,370
107,370
(5,087,313)
(8,425,287)
421,740
(549,780)
10,000
(100,754)
8,580
12,060
29,400 7,350
None, completed prior
(279,550)
(279,550)
332,200
332,200
266,900
(266,900)
(1,329,500)
(1,329,500)
315,776
145,427
175,500
162,166
(83,865)
(83,865)
99,600
99,600
80,070
(80,070)
(53,180)
(744,520)
94,730
43,628
52,650
48,649
33
30
30
30
(22.59)
(37.41)
26.05
(33.95)
5.42
54.58
24.94
35.06
25.00
to May
(30)
(30)
30
30
30
(30)
(4)
(56)
30
30
30
30
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
None
5,000
12, 1965
None
9,900
None
None
None
None
None
94,730
39,265
32,900
None
Percent
Completed
(continued)
40
95
15
25
0
60
99
0
95
0
0
99
99
Prolect Status Comment
Under cpnstruction
Under constructionJnegotations for
tie-in with adjacent Village under way
Execution of State contract awaiting
clear title for outfall real estate
Bids for plant rejected; plant being
redesigned
Final plans under review by NYSDH
Under construction
Completed; final payment dependent on
resolution of deficiencies by Applicant
FWPCA applic being held by NYSDH
pending submission of additional
information
Construction near completion and
plant under test
Applicant to receive new bids on
Sept. 21, 1967
FWPCA grant applic being reviewed by
NYSDH
Awaiting final State audit
K)
•vj
State payment being processed

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Project Applicant
Number County
88 Peekskill (C)
Westchester
67 Port Chester (V)
Westchester
Eligible
Project
Cost
Federal
State
550,000
(185,811)
1,360,708
(77,000)
Grant
Amount
Federal
State
165,000
(55,743)
250,000
(32,000)
Percent
Federal
State
WHITE PLAINS
30
(30)
1.8.37
(41,63)
Payments
To Date
Federal Percent
State
REGION
109,500
None
250,000
None
Completed
(continued)
99
99
Project Status Comment
State pick-up contract sent to
Applicant
State pick-up contract being prepared
218    Westchester Co,
       Westchester
5,020,000  1,506,000       30    1,249,400
None; Completed prior to May 12, 1965
99      Completed;final FWPCA payment not made)
        FWPCA awaiting additional information
        from Applicant
                                                                                                                        to
                                                                                                                        •j
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           MR. HANDLEY:  My comments generally follow this



report.



           I would like the record to show that we brought



200 copies of this down here.  I understand that we are all



out of them, despite the fact that there are 150 people in



the room (laughter), so if anyone is hoarding them, please



free them up now.



           When we met in September of 1965» many elements



of our Pure Waters Program were still proposals and not yet



hard facts.  In November of that year, the voters of the



State issued a mandate to implement the program when they



approved the $1 billion construction bond issue.



           With that mandate in 19&5, New York's program



accelerated — got into high gear, if you will.  Since that



time, we have organized a Division of Pure Waters in the



State Health Department.  We have progressed with a strengthened



enforcement program which started immediately to get many



legislative improvements, and continued to make more.



           Most recently, we have instituted a State Pure



Waters Authority.



           These are but a few things that have occurred since



we first met in September of 1965.



           All of this, however, serves to further establish



the Federal-interstate — the ISC -- and the State in a local

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                       A. Handley
partnership, which is so vital to the success of any water
pollution control effort.
           The objective of our presentation now is to
briefly* review this scarce report with you and hit the high-
lights, so that you will have some additional perspective
as to what we have been up to in the past two years.
           As Mr. Metzler mentioned, William Shaffer will
discuss in greater detail the construction grant portion of
our report.
           Let me go on now with the report of our activi-
ties since 1965.
           I mentioned that we have organized a Division
of Pure Waters within the New York State Health Department.
This Division consists of sanitary and construction engineers
scientists, administrators, engineering technicians, and
supporting clerical staff.  The central office staff, as of
today, numbers 148 persons.  In addition to this, we have
increased the staffing of our White Plains regional office
and of our New York City office.
           We have accelerated our utility planning effort
in New York State.  First of all, all of our programs are
coordinated with the Hudson River Valley Commission, which
has a total planning responsibility.  We have completed,
under the auspices of the State Conservation Department, a

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                      A. Handley



multipurpose water resources survey for the entire State,



including, of course, the lower Hudson River Basin.  Also,



we have currently eight public water supply studies com-



pleted or under way in this particular basin.  This covers



an area with a population of 9-3 million.



           In addition, in our comprehensive sewage utility



study program, we have 38 sewerage need studies completed or



under way for areas with a population of three million.



           The State investment since 1965 in these two



programs totals $3-2 million.



           Our comprehensive utility study programs have



always been directed towards a regional solution, a single



plant to avoid three or four, a centralized facility which



can be better operated and supervised.



           We are especially fortunate to have with us today



two gentlemen, one from Albany County and one from Rensselaer



County, who will describe to you later the progress being



made in these two counties towards regional solutions.



           These represent the total New York State program,



starting with the very logical area-wide comprehensive study,



following through to complete planning, final planning, and



going on to the construction grant phase, and finally the



sewage treatment plant operation and maintenance grant phase.




           While we are speaking of money and study, I think

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                       A. Handley
the conferees and you people here today should know that New
York State has earmarked a fund of $20,000 as an initial
start to assist with the Spring Creek study in New York City.
           I discussed this with representatives of the city
some time ago.  We anticipated a rather slow start, or an
easy start would be a better word, and, therefore, we ear-
marked the fund of $20,000 to assist in this study.
           If the study  jells and is finalized, we will make
further plans for the second and third year of assistance.
           Those of you  who have the report might want to
look on Page 15, which itemizes our progress for   compre-
hensive water supply and sewerage studies.  Look at Table
3 on Page 15.  I draw your attention to the first example,
Albany County.
           Specifically, what we have here is a study of
13 individual municipalities and their needs for sewage
collection and treatment.  This will end up  in a situation
in which we will have two centralized treatment facilities
rather than the 13 individual smaller facilities, which were
typical prior to our study effort.
           We are especially pleased with the progress being
made, and we are in the  middle of the second year  of a three-
year intensive study of  water quality and assimilative
capacity of the Hudson River.

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                       A.  Handley



            The  study will provide  the  State with a flexible,



computerized, analytical  model  of  the  response of the Hudson



River to  the discharge of any organic, thermal, toxic or



other waste effluent.  The computerized river representation



developed will  provide the State with  a powerful tool for



the rapid evaluation of alternative abatement programs.



            To date,  both  steady State  and time-dependent



models for  conservative and non-conservative pollutants and



water quality characteristics have been constructed, pro-



grammed, and most important of  all, debugged.  This has been



completed for BOD and  DO  determination.



            In the area of water quality surveillance, we



have an automatic water quality monitor which has been in-



stalled at  Glenmont  on the Hudson River.  We have plans to



install a second station  this year in  the vicinity of Bear



Mountain.



            In addition, we are  collecting at five key loca-



tions on the Hudson manual samples, at varying frequencies



of a week to a month,  and maintain a record of water quality



in these two ways on the Hudson River.



            Since we met last, the State has issued 55



operating, permits for  new or enlarged  facilities in the



lower Hudson River drainage basin.  These are treatment



facilities  to handle subdivisions in the cities, industries,

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                       A. Handley



and so on.  These facilities serve 2.8 million people at a



total construction cost of $166 million.



           This information, incidentally, is outlined in



Table 4 dn Page 19 of the report.



           I think it is important to realize that once one



gets just above — not very far above — New York City, that



we do have some open spots in the landscape, and you will



notice that rather than going into individual septic tank



systems, we have approved and promoted several small



centralized facilities.



           Since the start of the program in construction



grants, we have executed many construction grant contracts



with municipalities in this particular basin for waste-



water treatment facilities.



           Applications approved and being processed total



28, with State grants estimated at $186 million, as compared



to the $12 million of Federal grants.



           This information will be elaborated on by Mr.



Shaffer.  The information appears at Table 1 on Page 4 of



the report.



           Again, I would direct your attention to Page 5>



which indicates New York State's stake in the Albany County



Sewer District and the Rensselaer County Sewer District.



These will be commented on further by the local representatives

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                       A. Handley



           We are especially proud of the fact that we have



tremendous local leadership.  This is the key, you know, to



getting any facility constructed.  Without it, the Federal



Government and the State government are lost, and we see



this demonstrated here today.



           Now, the State, without too much difficulty, pre-



pared and submitted water quality standards to the Federal



Government in accordance with the 1965 Water Pollution



Control Act.  I say "without too much difficulty" because we



have been in business since 19^9, and it was a matter more



of assembling details rather than initiating action.



           In the area of enforcement, we have completed 53



actions resulting in formal pollution abatement orders.



This activity is summarized in Table 2 at Page 6.  All major



polluters in the lower Hudson River drainage basin are under



order at this time.



           Those of you who were here this morning saw the



chart Governor Rockefeller displayed in his talk, and I must



say that I was quite envious.



           I have said that we have all the major polluters



under formal order, and he very clearly showed that this



represented, I think, 97 percent of the pollution to the



Hudson River.  I had never been able to figure out a chart



like that before.  It may account for why he is Governor and

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                      A. Handley
I am a sanitary engineer, but it did show very clearly that
we have 53 under order.  This accounts for 97 percent of the
pollution going into the river.
           In addition, we have 43 more who are under a
voluntary abatement program, and this accounts for about 3
percent of the pollution.
           Finally, I would like to report on our sewage
treatment plant maintenance and operation program.  This is
an incentive program by which municipalities which properly
operate sewage treatment facilities are awarded a grant
equal to one- third of their operation and maintenance costs.
           If one operates their treatment facility in
accordance with our minimum requirements, the year after
they have finished this, they are eligible for the one-third
           We have had two years of experience in this
particular program, and I would say it has been most success-
ful. It has resulted in water quality improvement, because
we have gotten improved operation of treatment facilities.
           In the lower Hudson River Basin, exclusive of New
York City, 46 municipalities qualified under this program
in 1965 for grants totaling $490,000.
           To date, 36 applications have been approved
totaling $381,500 for this year.  There are six New York City

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                       A. Handley
plants in the area of this conference concern.  These have
been approved, and have received grants of approximately
$2.3 million each year.
           This concludes the hasty review of our activities,
other than those of construction grants.
           Mr. Metzler and Chairman Stein, if you want to
proceed?
           MR. STEIN:  Yes.  Are there any questions or
comments ?
           (No response.)
           MR. STEIN:  This  is again a very excellent and
comprehensive report.
           As you Know, Dwight Metzler has been with me from
time to time throughout the  country.  Sometimes when we come
into programs, we perhaps  feel critical  or maybe the people
feel critical, and  I think the record shows it. But I think
in  a situation like this,  it looks  to me that we have a
State-Federal-local interstate program,  where we are all
pretty much moving  together, and if there are any  problems,
they are  problems on the specifics  which can  be adjusted.
           I  am  very encouraged  by the  reports we  have  heard
so  far, and I think this is  moving along famously.
           MR. METZLER:   I would like Mr. Shaffer  then  to
add some  dimensions to the remarks  that have  already been

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                       V. K. Shaffer



made about financing.  It is not that I think we probably



need to be convinced that the Federal participation or



financing is a problem, but it is rather that I would like



to demonstrate the extent to which we have analyzed this



problem, and his presentation will show the kind of imposi-



tion that will be placed upon New York's taxpayers for pre-



financing and the more difficult roles that we will have in



pushing communities  forward on schedule, unless some major



change is made in the attitude of the Congress toward



financing the program that they have authorized.



           Bill Shaffer.








           STATEMENT OF WILLIAM K. SHAFFER, CHIEF,



           CONSTRUCTION GRANTS ACTIVITIES, DIVISION



           OF PURE WATERS, STATE OF NEW YORK DEPART-



              MENT OF HEALTH, ALBANY, NEW YORK








           MR, SHAFFER:  Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen:



           My presentation is included in detail in the



pamphlet which has been presented.  My purpose here is to



emphasize or explain certain items, which we feel should be



covered a little bit more than have been covered thus far.



           The State of New York Pure Waters Construction



Grants Program is a  practical, workable, financially sound

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                       W. K. Shaffer



incentive program which is producing results faster than we



expected in the beginning.  It has materially influenced the



initiation of the projects, and it is continuing to do so



at a rapid rate.



           It was on September 1, 1966, that we signed our



first five State contracts.  The Governor had municipal



officials in, and we signed those roughly a year and a few



days ago.



           Since that time, we have formally executed some



47 contracts, and we have another 129 which are due to be



executed when construction starts.



           As you may or may not realize, we don't execute



a formal contract until construction starts, but this does



mean that the State has made a commitment as regards the



furnishing of the grant.   So that we at the present time then



are to the state of committing $357 million in State grants.



           Projects in New York State for construction of



municipal sewage treatment works are eligible for Federal



Water Pollution Control Administration construction grants



under the Federal Clean Waters Restoration Act of 1966, and



under previous legislation, depending on when the project



started.



           At the present time, New York State water quality



standards have been approved by the Federal Water Pollution

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                       W. K. Shaffer
Control Administration, and we are then eligible in New York
State for either 50 or 55 percent Federal participation.
           One of the questions that then arises, as the
GoVernor mentioned this morning, is the question of how much
money is involved in this Federal program, and how much are
we eligible for under the 55 percent figure.
           We have assembled the statistics on that and we
have prepared them, and  in Table 6 of our presentation we
show you that we have roughly $238 million due the State of
New York on projects at  the 55 percent figure, for projects
which are already approved or are in the Federal Water Pollu-
tion Control Administration awaiting approval.  That is $238
million.
           Table 7 indicates that we will need $1^0 million
for projects currently being proposed by the municipalities
and the New York State Department of Health.  These projects
are projects which are so firm and the estimates are so firm
that project identification numbers utilized by the Federal
Water Pollution Control  Administration and the State Depart-
ment of Health have already been assigned to these projects.
           Next, in Table 8, we show the projects one by one
which total approximately $316 million, new projects across
the State of New York, at the 55 percent figure for projects
which are in process of  preparation at the municipality level,

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                       W.  K.  Shaffer



            Now, the preparation has gone so far that we have



 an actual figure which represents a firm estimate at this



 time.



            So what these  three tables boil down to is that



 the total amount is roughly $69^ million that projects across



 the State of New York would be due if the Congress decides to



 fund these projects at the authorized 55 percent figure.



            Another subject is the water pollution control



 program of the City of New York.  Commissioner Hult mentioned



 that they had an enormous program which has been going on



 since  1931.   That program totals $1.29 billion.




           We have shown  in Table 9 the various participation



 by the Federal Government, by the State government and by



 the city.



           The city is to be commended for the outstanding



 rate of progress that they have made in that program in the



 past few years in advance of any substantial grants from



 either the State or the Federal Government.



           They are to be commended also,  of course,  for the



 excellence of their technical supervision and the dedication



 of the many  people who have  been in this program for many



 years.  It certainly has  made it much easier for the State



 and Federal  Government to work with them,  because of these




people.

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                       W. K. Shaffer
           Next, we talked a little bit about the require-
ments there.  We will talk a little further about them in
terms of the Federal Clean Waters Restoration Act of 1966,
which* authorizes a total of $3.5 billion through the year
1971.
           In the State program, as the Governor indicated,
it was estimated when our legislation was passed two years
ago at $1.7 billion.  In a quick comparison, it is one-half
of the Federal authorization.
           The problem that concerns New .York State this
fiscal year is that it appears that the Congress is going
to pass an appropriation of $203 million instead of the
authorized $450 million.  The State's share  for New York
State projects of that $203 million is only  $14.5 million.
           As you can see from the listing of those projects,
this is a very small amount of money.
           At the present time,  it appears that there will be
one percent participation by the Federal Government in  the
State of New York projects  for the balance of this fiscal
year.  Since the first of April, participation in New York
State projects has been 4 percent. As you know, this State
guarantees  State and Federal participation up to the 60
percent, our basic State grant of  30 percent, then 1 percent
Federal participation, which makes the State's pre-financing

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                      W.  K.  Shaffer

 29 percent,  and it appears  that that will  be  the  figure that

 we will have to use for the balance of the current  fiscal

 year.

           We have found in New York State it extremely desir-

 able to furnish, on a monthly basis,  a status report to our

 municipalities and to our consulting engineers.   We take the

 approach  that they are  entitled to  know the action  or lack

 of action by the State  and  by the Federal  Government in the

 processing procedure in regard to projects.

           In other Federal  programs,  you  all are aware that

 there are various  processing problems.   We solved that prob-

 lem here  by  publication of  this  monthly status report, and

 we have included in our presentation  in the pamphlet the

 August 31st  monthly status report to  indicate to  you how we

 furnish that information  to  the  municipalities and  to the

 consulting engineers.

           The  State and  its  municipalities are much

 interested in the  reimbursement  features of the Federal

Water Pollution Control Administration grant  program.  This

 is where  we  are going to  get  the 55 percent back  eventually

 if the Congress  appropriates  the money.

           The  municipalities  realize  that  the State of New

 York accepts  each  pure  water  program project  as it  arises, treat-

 ing each with equal  priority  and recommending equivalent Federal

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participation when the project is approved by the Federal
Water Pollution Control Administration.
           Currently, this program is a 1 percent Federal
Water Pollution Control Administration participation and
59 percent State participation, composed of the 30 percent
basic State grant and 29 percent prefinancing of the Federal
share.  This leaves some 54 percent of the Federal share to
be furnished later by the Federal Government, either before
the completion of construction of the project, or as reim-
bursement after the completion of construction.
           It is apparent that the lack of Federal funds
precludes financing to the full 55 percent.  The situation
will not get better soon, and it does cause problems
administratively with the municipalities, the State and the
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration.
           In our construction grants activities, we have had
a very excellent relationship with the construction grants per-
sonnel of the regional office.
           We would like to commend Mr. Lester Sutton and Mr.
Ricci for the efficiency of their organization, and for their
personal effectiveness.  They have also received excellent
support from Mr. Thomas Ferry of Construction Grants in
Washington.
           Without this excellent relationship, the State of

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New York construction grants program would not have been



able to progress as far and as fast as it has thus far.



           We would also like to give recognition to the



Corps of Engineers, another Federal agency, for their pollu-



tion control abatement activities, particularly their enforce-



ment and operations activities in the harbor and on the



Hudson.



           The State Pure Waters Construction Grant Program



is fully implemented at the present time, it is adequately



funded, and, as I said, it is progressing in excess of



expectations.



           Further assistance in the form of material in-



creases in the availability of Federal funds would undoubtedly



provide  further impetus to municipalities across the State



of New York to this greater progress.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Shaffer.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Mr. Shaffer, thank you very much



first for the very kind words you had to say for our staff,



Mr. Sutton, Mr. Ricci and our Washington colleague, Mr. Ferry.



           I noticed that in the figures you gave on the



needs that you were talking about the entire State program,



but what we are talking about here today is the Hudson River.

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           Do you have any figures broken down, or can't you



give us figures for the record for the Hudson River?  You



have* done it by regions.



           MR. SHAFFER:  If you will turn to Table 1, you



will find that those are the construction grants projects



which are either already approved by the Federal Water



Pollution Control Administration, or are in the hands of the



Federal Water Pollution Control Administration awaiting



approval at this time for the Hudson River, of course, from



Albany or Troy south, and excluding the lower harbor.   In



other words, those are the construction grants projects for



the conference area.



           The reason that we presented the other figures



to you later is, as Commissioner Hult can't separate his over-



all city program into the lower harbor and the Hudson River



area, we can't really separate our financing problems into



just the Hudson River without considering the rest of the



State, so we have given it to you both ways.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  This table gives the projects that



you have.  Does it give all of them? In other words, when



you have accomplished all these projects, you will have



accomplished the entire Hudson River area?



           MR. HANDLEY:  That is the table to date.  There



will be additional projects in the lower Hudson River.

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           MR. KLASHMAN:  Right.  Thank you very much.
           MR. SHAFFER:  You can say that another way for
the construction grants people.  Those are the projects on
which identification numbers have been assigned.  They in-
clude all projects which are either approved or are in the
hands of the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
for approval, except for the Albany County project and the
Rensselaer County project.    Those are the only two on that
list which are not in your hands which have been approved
by you.
           MR. STEIN:  Are there any further comments or
questions?
           (No response.)
           MR. STEIN:  That is a very excellent report
           I would just like to say one thing for the record.
I think your points are well taken.  I have always wondered
why more States didn't get the cities and the money  outlined
the way you have done here.  This is.what I have always said
was a prerequisite to point up the problem.  The fact that
you have done this shows that you mean business, that you are
far ahead, and it gives everyone in every portion of the
country, in the Congress and everywhere else, a notion of
the magnitude of the problem and what you intend to do with
the money.

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           This program has advanced through the years.
We have to look at everything in the historical light.  I
know you have had the bond issue in the State of New York.
Originally we started with $60 million.  The maximum grant
was $250,000.  This was for the small cities.
           We finally got that raised to $100 million a year,
and we got the grant raised to $600,000.
           This was the genesis of the program.  We have
to recognize this.
           Now, maybe the reimbursement feature gives us
another angle to  go at this, but I don't think the Congress
intended that.
           Again, when you look at the program, one of the
overriding considerations, whether you talk about 50 percent
grants, 55 percent grants, or 30 percent grants, is the dollar
limitation that Congress puts on and your allocation.
           For example, what did you say you were getting
under the $200 million, $17 million?
           MR. METZLER: $l4 million dollars.
           MR. STEIN:  Let's suppose we got  the full amount.
If it doubled, what would that  be, 1 percent,  or 2 percent?
           Let me make the point again.  Go  to your Table 1.
I am not arguing  with the table, because I think the table
points up the issue.

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                      W.  K.  Shaffer

            The  table  shows  the  North River plant, and it gives

 the  eligible  project  costs  as $220 million.   That is one

 project  in  New  York City  which  is more  than the  total national

 appropriation or  the  likelihood of the  national  appropria-

 tion for 50 States, the District of Columbia,  Puerto Rico and

 the  Virgin  Islands, that  are eligible too.

            In other words,  realistically we  must recognize

 that to  have  clean waters in the United States we are going

 to have  to  get  along  with the authorized money that the

 Congress is talking about.   If  we are going  to have this in

 the  fairly  near future, places  such as  New York  City are

 going to have to  figure on getting these funds somewhere else.

 I don't  think there is any argument about  that.

            Now, perhaps,  we  may work out this  reimbursement

 feature.  I think New York has  taken on that program

 realistically,  but I  don't think we should delude ourselves

 about the magnitude of the Federal grants  authorized.

            I  just want to make  one more point.   We do have

 Federal  funds authorized.  For  example, as you said, this

 year  $^50 million was authorized.  It looks like less than

 half  of  it, or  $203 million, is  going to go through.

           We always  like to talk about money being authorized,

 but  if you would  just stop and  think that  if your Federal

budget this year equaled  the amount of  projects authorized

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by the Congress, what that would mean to your tax program.
           Again, I am saying that we should not hope for
that in our program, but is it really realistic to believe
when we have that authorization that we have more than that?
           There are a lot of national obligations in com-
peting for the Federal dollar.  You also have your obligations
here to have clean water.
           What I am saying to you is, let us recognize the
limitations.  We recognize we have a difficult program to go
through.  You have talked with Mr. Ferry and his group.  They
are trying to do all they can under the limitations of the
program.
           I think the sooner we look at the realistic opera-
tions of the programs of New York and New Jersey and realis-
tically are appreciative about this, the better off we are.
           Dr. Kandle spoke about the propaganda mill.  If
you want to say that the Federal Government has "an obliga-
tion" and is not coming through with the obligation, that is
all right.  Legally, the obligation we have is just the money
that Congress appropriates, and you know how much they are
appropriating.
           These are the facts we have to keep in mind if we
are dealing realistically with the program that we are going
to have to face for the next five years in the dealings we

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are going to have with each other.



           We are always open to charges and jibes and such



as that.



           Thank you.



           MR. METZLER:  Murray, I think in view of this, I



am going to have to make a little historical remark here.



           You recall that in the spring of 1965, Governor



Rockefeller went down and challenged the Congress to put up



30 percent of the construction grants, because he recognized



what many of the others, including yourself, had, that the



construction grants program up to that point was merely



aimed at the small community, that it wasn't really aimed



at the metropolitan centers, that it wasn't of much help



and certainly a little help to communities the size of New



York City or some of the other metropolitan areas.



           Congress accepted that challenge.  It waited a



year.  Instead of accepting it in 1965, you will recall that



there was some proposed legislation going in 1965, the



challenge was accepted in 1966, but in addition to accepting



the challenge they added another 25 percent on, and the



representatives of the Federal Government in both the legis-



lative and the executive branches have been talking about



this, so that every public official in New York knows about



it.

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                      W. K. Shaffer
           It seems to me that we either ought to take some
of the authorizing legislation off the books, or else .we
want to make darned clear that we have got some sound
engineering facts, that we have got costs that are based upon

actual engineering estimates, and not something that was done
by a survey, and that if Congress really means what it
is talking about, about helping the cities, it is going to
have to put up some real money.

           Now, I am sympathetic with the problems of the
President and the Congress in trying to finance a major war
and finance the domestic programs.  I have also watched

appropriations, and I have noticed that all of the domestic
programs have been cut, except a few in the Department of

Health, Education, and Welfare, but, nevertheless, we have
got to quit talking about having this kind of help available
at the Federal level unless — and this is a crude expression
-- you put your money where your mouth is.
           MR. STEIN:  Dwight, I think you are right.  You

recognize that in most States, the Federal Government is

putting up more money than the States.
           You are talking about one or two States where the
situation obtains, but it looks a little different when you

get to New York State.
           I just have one footnote when you say either put

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up the money or take the legislation off the books.   Mr.



Metzler, if any grant authorizing legislation is ever taken



off the books, you would be reversing a trend in modern



history.



           MR. METZLER:  There are two .additional witnesses



that we would like to call for New York State before you may



want to take a break.



           MR. STEIN:  All right.



           MR. METZLER:  Is Senator Whitney North Seymour



here?



           (No response.)



           MR. METZLER:  We will wait for his return.



           Is Mr. Alan Blake here, representing Assemblyman



James Pusco?



           (No response, )



           MR. METZLER:  All right.



           MR. STEIN:  All right.  Why don't we hear from the



Interstate Commission?



           MR. LANG:  Mr. Stein, may I make a comment, sir?



           MR. STEIN:  Why don't you see me during the



recess?



           MR. LANG:  All right.



           MR. GLENN:  Mr. Stein, I would like to call on



our Chairman of the Interstate Sanitation Commission, Dr.



Colosi.

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           STATEMENT OP DR. NATALE COLOSI, CHAIRMAN,
           INTERSTATE SANITATION COMMISSION, PROFESSOR
           OF BACTERIOLOGY AND PUBLIC HEALTH AT WAGNER
           COLLEGE, DEAN OF POLYCLINIC MEDICAL SCHOOL

           DR. COLOSI:  Mr. Chairman, Distinguished Con-
ferees, Ladies and Gentlemen:
           My name is Natale Colosi.  I am Professor of
Bacteriology and Public Health at Wagner College, and the
Dean of the New York Polyclinic Medical School.  I speak here
today in my capacity as Chairman of the Interstate Sanitation
Commission.
           The present session of the conference has been
called to review progress made in implementing the agreements
reached at the first session which was held two years ago.
Partly because of the nature of such an undertaking, and
partly because new Federal statutes have made the processes
for revising standards in interstate waters different than
they were in 1965, it seems inappropriate to do more in the
present context than summarize the actual events of the past
two years in securing better facilities for water pollution
control in the Hudson River area.  We believe that progress
has been good.

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           At the conference on the Hudson River held on



September 28, 1965, the conferees agreed that all wastes



discharged to the Hudson River should receive a minimum of



secondary treatment.  We reported at the conference that all



of the sanitary wastes originating in the New Jersey portion



of the conference area were receiving primary treatment at one



of nine sewage treatment plants with the exception of approxi-



mately 30 million gallons a day.  This waste was discharged



through Peddie Ditch into Newark Bay but was intercepted



during 1966 and diverted to the Passaic Valley Sewage Treat-



ment Plant for treatment.  The primary plants received orders



from the New Jersey State Health Department in August 1966



requiring an upgrading of treatment and then in March and



April 196? they received amended orders requiring a removal



of not less than 80 percent of the biochemical oxygen demand



and included a detailed timetable.  The date for completion



of construction is October 10, 1970.



           At the time of the previous conference, we stated



that practically all sanitary wastes from the Roc kland and



Westchester County area were receiving at least primary



treatment and chlorination during the recreational season.



Also, we reported that the State of New York and the Commis-



sion had agreed that secondary treatment was needed and steps



were being taken  to accomplish this.  Since then, the Village

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of Piermont has completed the pumping station and force main
which diverts its flow to the Orangetown Treatment Plant.
This latter plant is under construction for the addition of
secondary treatment facilities.   The New York State Health
Department has also issued orders on the remaining primary
treatment plants and the completion of construction is
scheduled from 1968 through 1970, depending on each individu-
al situation.
           In the New York City portion of the conference
area the Commission has had a Consent Order against the City
of New York since 1957 and all of the projects are either
completed, under construction, or under design.
           The largest project under the Consent Order is
the Newtown Creek Pollution Control Project, which will pro-
vide secondary treatment for approximately 300 million
gallons a day of raw waste and will improve considerably
the water quality of the Upper New York Harbor area and the
waters passing through the Narrows and also water carried by
tides up the Hudson River.  This project is scheduled to be
completed this month at a total cost of 165 million dollars.
We had planned to have chlorination of all sewage discharges
in the Upper Harbor, Kill Van Kull, Lower East River and
Hudson Fiver by this summer.  The summer or bathing season
of 1967 was selected as the starting time of chlorination

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in this area as it was to have been the first bathing season



following the scheduled completion of the large Newtown



Creek Sewage Treatment Plant.  Although this plant was not



completed as scheduled, some of the existing treatment



plants started chlorinating.  Others have chlorination facili-



ties under construction and will be chlorinating prior to the



bathing season of 1968.



           The interceptors for the North River Pollution



Control Plant are now under construction.  This plant is



designed to treat 220 MGD, will be located between West l4oth



Street and West l4^th Street, and most of the plant will be



built on reinforced concrete platforms supported on long



piles and caissons in the Hudson River.  The North River



Project is scheduled for completion by 1972.  Construction



will begin this year on interceptors to the Port Richmond



Plant and design is under way for full secondary treatment



with a design capacity from 10 to 60 million gallons a day.



This construction should be completed in 1971-  Design continues



on the Red Hook Pollution Control Project, which will provide



treatment for the remaining raw wastes from Brooklyn.  This



plant is scheduled for completion in 1972.



           The combined sewers are always a real problem and



a majority of the metropolitan area unfortunately has this



type of sewer   Due to the heavy rainfall this summer, this

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problem caused a very high coliform count In the New York



City beach areas and lower dissolved oxygen values in many



areas.



           In judging the likelihood of continued satisfactory



progress in bringing the waters of the conference area under



control, it is appropriate to note what the first session of



the conference found:



           "5.  The States of New Jersey and New York



     and the Interstate Sanitation Commission are em-



     powered to abate pollution and have active programs



     to accomplish this result.  These programs include:



     establishment of water quality requirements:



     enforcement actions to abate waste Discharges:



     development of comprehensive water pollution control



     programs: and fiscal incentives."



           This conclusion of the conference in 1Q65 is just



as apt today as it was then.  At the time, the conferees



also found that the problems of the Hudson River are large



and complex, owing to the heavily populated and industrialized



character of the region.  It may be understood, then, that a



great deal of continuous effort on the part of all concerned



is necessary for successful pollution control.



           This proposition^ could be illustrated in many ways



As previously mentioned, the Interstate Sanitation CommissJon

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has a consent order against New York City under which that
municipality's vast program of treatment plant and related
construction is being carried out.  The order dates from
1Q57, but the achievement of totally satisfactory results
was recognized to involve a multistage construction program.
New York City activities reported for the two-year period,
since the first session of this conference, have constituted
the most recent phases of work toward full compliance with
the Interstate Sanitation Commission's consent order.
           We believe the opportunity for the abatement of
water pollution was never more favorable than at the present
time.  The people of the area have never before shown such
solidarity in expressing their desire for cleaner waters
for best usage.  This has been shown in many ways such as
the New York Bond Issue in 1965 and the new legislation
passed in New Jersey and Connecticut during the early part of
this year which provides State matching funds so that projects
will be eligible for the maximum Federal matching funds.  This
has lead to communities under orders to construct secondary
treatment facilities to make financial plans based on re-
ceiving from 60 percent up to 85 percent of total construc-
tion cost from State and Federal sources   Our real concern
is that we now have the sentiment of the public to get the
job done and th,e lack of Federal funds at this time will

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provide such an obstacle that the construction of abatement



projects may be brought to a standstill.  For instance, some



of the larger projects are being pre-financed by New York



State to the extent of 26 percent or more of the Federal



share of 30 percent.  This does not include another 25 per-



cent of promised Federal matching funds as "bonuses" which



the communities were expecting and which they may now only



hope to receive at some time in the future.  New York may



reclaim some of their pre-financing funds if Federal money is



ever appropriated for this purpose at a later date.  It



might prove quite difficult to achieve the current level of



public support again if Federal funds are not made available



for the projects to proceed as now scheduled.



           We look forward to a steady improvement of waste



treatment in that portion of the Hudson River Basin lying



within the Interstate Sanitation District.  To this end we



count on the continuing cooperation of the States of New



Jersey and New York, the Federal Government and the Inter-



state Sanitation Commission,



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Professor Colosi.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           (No response. )



           DR. COLOSI:  This is like in some of my classes,

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no questions asked.



           MR. STEIN:  You know, the Commission always puts



out a very clear statement.



           As I was telling Mr. Klashman up here while this



was going on, we always get from the Commission some of the



best technical writing.  Sometimes I wonder why we can't



have writers like this ourselves.



           I would just like to call attention to one phrase



which I pick out, and this is at the top of Page 6.  You



say, "This does not include another 25 percent of promised" •



and I emphasize that word, "promised" — "Federal matching



funds as bonuses."



           As long as we keep using "authorized" and



"promised" as citizens, we may run into trouble.



           Thank you.



           Mr. Metzler?



           MR. METZLER:  A few minutes ago we called for



Senator Seymour.  He has since arrived.



           I will now call on Senator Whitney North Seymour,



who is State Senator from the 26th District of New York.








           STATEMENT OF STATE SENATOR WHITNEY NORTH



           SEYMOUR, JR., 26TH DISTRICT, STATE OF NEW YORK

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           MR. SEYMOUR:  Mr. Chairman, although I was delayed
getting back this afternoon, I was here this morning when I
heard you speak of the burden we all carry with the vagaries
of our legislatures, and I sort of had my ears turned around,
and will say I am not in agreement with you completely.
           I have been in our State Legislature for all of
two years, and that service has generally persuaded me to
accept Will Rogers' statement, when he said, "it is better
to have termites in your house than have the legislature in
session."  (Laughter)
           You will be pleased to know that the New York
State Legislature is not in session.  We are in recess, and
we do not convene again until January, so you are relatively
safe, but I do want to prove the value of your thesis about
vagaries by going off on a little bit of a tangent from the
main subject matter of your conference, because I think it is
important to keep your eye on the overall objective to which
we are all working.
           I really think the achievements so far in water
pollution control are terribly exciting.  I think it is time
for us to start looking around as to why we are doing it, and
where we are going with it.
           New York, with approximately 578 miles of water-
front, has probably the most extensive and varied shoreline

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of any city in the world.  The marshes, rocky highlands, sandy



shores and the great port itself offer a scenic and recrea-



tional potential that is unmatched anywhere.  It is tragic



that we have failed to realize the tremendous opportunity of



this waterfront to serve the citizens of the metropolitan



region.  The same can be said of large stretches of the



Hudson River that should be a major recreation resource for



the entire region.



           Those concerned with the region's development are



heartened by the progress in eliminating water pollution,



but this is only a small portion of the real job that needs



to be done.  Coordination between all levels of government



is necessary to take full advantage of the river and what it



has to offer.



           I would like to suggest that the time has come for



major governmental planning on the proper and effective use



of this waterfront, including the development of recreational



areas and access thereto, controls of other land uses, and



elimination of visual pollution.  In terms of recreational



planning, we should be anticipating the growth of the region



to the year 2000.  The Regional Plan Association has found



that while demand for recreational space is soaring, its



availability is rapidly diminishing: in the New York metro-



politan area, as much raw land was covered with homes,

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factories, roadways and other urban structures in the 30
years prior to 19&0 as was turned to urban purposes in the
previous 300 years, and present development trends would
result in a doubling in the region's urbanized land area by
1985,  Whole sections of the river such as the Hudson High-
lands should be preserved now for future recreation needs,
and nearer to the city, new parks and other facilities includ-
ing marinas, recreational piers, restaurants, floating
swimming pools and many other exciting concepts suggested
by responsible civic groups should be developed.  The Regional
Plan Association and the Park Association of New York have
contributed a number of excellent ideas.
           A perfect example of the type of recreational
needs which can be served by the waterfront are bicycle
paths.  The Central Park experiment shows the tremendous,
unexpected demand for this wholesome activity — so much so
that we have  bicycle Jams in the Park when it is open to
cyclists.  There is no better opportunity to expand this
interest than a waterfront bicycle path, and several stretches
of the river are natural locations.
           The clearest evidence of the need for coordinated
planning is the lack of access to existing recreational areas.
Any day on the West Side Highway you can see people darting
through the traffic to reach the water's edge.  The

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announcement made several months ago about the proposed



Hudson River Parkway indicated that some kind of a Chinese



wall is to be constructed north of Peekskill, thereby de-



priving people even further of access to the river.  Some-



one must not only protect access, but also develop modes of



transportation to get people to the waterfront.



           As the Regional Plan Association has effectively



pointed out, the need for land use controls has never been



more evident.  Indiscriminate construction of high rise



apartments on the New Jersey side of the river is already



destroying that beautiful vista.  It has been long since



apparent that the nineteenth century dock system in Manhattan



is obsolete for modern shipping purposes.  Some docks should



be destroyed to open the waterfront for enjoyment by the



city's residents, others converted to recreational uses, and



others replaced by modern passenger terminals.  The experience



of visitors coming to New York by ship is an unjustified



ordeal.  Cargo shipping operations obviously require much



more modern equipment and a location such as Staten Island



with a minimum of traffic problems.



           Pending proposals for high rise structures along



the Manhattan waterfront preview the time when the inner



city may be walled off from the river.  It is clear that we



need controls over the height and design of buildings along

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the New York and New Jersey shores before we have completely
lost all light, air, and vistas.
           In addition to attacking water pollution, we must
strike at visual pollution.  Rotting piers, neon signs,
billboards and other affronts to the eye prohibit any enjoy-
ment of the magnificent natural resources.
           Finally, our paramount objective must be coor-
dinated planning of water resources.  One evident fact is
that the States have taken a back seat in dealing with such
regional problems, and it is time they resolved their
differences and worked together.  In New York, the Office of
Planning Coordination is only a faltering step in this
direction.  We must establish machinery to insure that no
future capital project be instituted without proper considera-
tion of related land use, conservation, transportation and
further development of the areas affected, and that such a
project does not conflict with the comprehensive development
plans of the particular region.  One aspect of planning must
include the services of a naturalist or ecologist with full
professional understanding of the balance of nature with
which we are tampering.
           I might say in an aside that I am very pleased
that our Hudson River Valley Commission has now on the staff
a full-time ecologist.

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           If we could only figure out a way to do some



real coordination between the levels of government, we would



really make some progress.



           Metropolitan centers have been growing at such a



fast rate that many formerly local planning functions can no



longer cope with present needs.  Economic development,



housing, recreation planning, transportation and pollution



control along the waterfront have impact far beyond the



geographical limits of counties, cities and towns.  The State



government must assume a growing responsibility to provide



planning coordination in these areas in order to fill the



significant vacuum in the lower Hudson River Valley.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Senator.



           I would like to assure you that Secretary Udall is



very, very much interested in this, and, as a matter of fact,



he particularly is interested in the Hudson Valley.



           I am sure he will be most interested to get your



feelings and views on this matter, because         this is the



hind of proposal that I am pretty sure he likes to take on a



total planning and regional basis.



           MR. SEYMOUR:  I am fully aware of the Secretary's



past  observations  on the subject, Mr. Stein.



            One  of the problems obviously is that somehow we

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have come up against a loggerhead here, where the Federal
Government and the two States are really not riding along on
the same rail, and that is what I hope we can get accomplished
very soon.
           MR. STEIN:  I am sure we all hope that.  Thank
you.
           Are there any further comments or questions?
           MR. METZLER:  Before the Senator sits down, I
particularly want to pay tribute to you and your colleagues
in both the Senate and the Assembly for having provided your
communities in New York and the New York State Health Depart-
ment with the kind of tools that are required for this
massive effort in this clean-up, and which has attracted
attention throughout the country and around the world.
           I just want you to know that as one of the workers,
I appreciate this very much.
           MR. SEYMOUR:  It is only fair to observe that if
the program weren't carried out with such competence, it
would have been a waste of effort.
           DR. HANDLE:  Senator, with that remark about we
are riding on the rails, did that have any particular sig-
nificance?
           SENATOR SEYMOUR:  No, no.  (Laughter)
           MR. STEIN:  We will stand recessed for ten minutes.

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           (Whereupon a recess was had.)
           MR. STEIN:  May we reconvene?
           Mr. Metzler?
           MR. METZLER:  Before proceeding with the remaining
witness list for New York State, I would like to say if there
were some who did not get the copy of the progress report and
do want it, if you will just write on your own stationery
to Pure Waters, New York State Health Department, Albany, we
will see that a copy is sent to you.  The address is Pure
Waters, New York State Health Department, Albany.  I imagine
if you left out the "New York State Health Department," even
then it might get to the right place.
           Next is Mr. Alan Blake, who is now here, represent-
ing Assemblyman James Pusco.
           Mr. Blake.

           STATEMENT OP ALAN L. BLAKE, LEGISLATIVE
           REPRESENTATIVE TO ASSEMBLYMAN JOSEPH A.
           PUSCO, 86TH ASSEMBLY DISTRICT, BRONX
                    COUNTY, NEW YORK

           MR. BLAKE:  I have been asked by Assemblyman Pusco
to read his statement.
           Gentlemen:

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                       A. L. Blake
           As a member of the Republican Assembly Subcommittee
on Pollution, I wish to take this opportunity to thank you
for affording me the time to make a brief statement.
           Over a period of years, we have allowed air and
water pollution to become a part of our everyday life.  It
is now evident that the health hazards are created because of
inadequacies in enforcing legislative action.  City, State
and Federal agencies continue to play Russian roulette with
citizens' lives.  Until uniform laws are enacted, our efforts
will be for naught.  There is an immediacy of need for review
of existing problems, and an immediacy of need for a plan of
action.  I trust that the conference will bring forth a uni-
form program that will be accepted by all city; State and
Federal agencies.
           Thank you.
           To Assemblyman Fusco's statement I would like to
add a few comments concerning areas of pollution which affect
those of us who live along the waterfront of the northeast
Bronx.  We share the concern of all New Yorkers with the
pollution of the air we  breathe, but we are equally concerned
with the unnecessary pollution of our recreational waters by
our own city.  Those city officials who should be most con-
cerned with protection of our citizens are frequently those
most guilty of callous disregard for our health,  and they

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are the most difficult to control because of the relative



immunity vested in their positions.



           At the present time, the City of New York is pushing



ahead with plans to dump raw garbage into, and adjacent to,



the wetlands and navigable waters of Pelham Bay Park.  Perhaps



such a method of garbage disposal will reduce air pollution



caused by incineration, but of what value is this when a new



area of water pollution is introduced by the alternate method



of disposal.  Surely pollution control programs must be



developed in such a way that the end product is of genuine



benefit to all the communities involved.  And most certainly,



the public agencies themselves must accept equal responsi-



bility with private enterprises to control their activities



in such a way that contamination of our surroundings is held



to an absolute minimum.



           I thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Blake.  Are there any



comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  If not, Mr. Metzler?



           MR. METZLER:  I have nothing other than to say



that it is a very constructive, helpful statement, and we hope



you will convey to Assemblyman Fusco our appreciation for



his interest and the kind of support he has given to this

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program in the New York State Legislature.



           The next witness,  Mr. Chairman, is C. C.  Johnson,



who was recently appointed Assistant Commissioner of Environ-



mental Health Services of the New York City Health Department.



           Mr. Johnson.



           MR. STEIN:  I don't hear any complaints with



C. C. Johnson coming up here, about whom you stole from us.



(Laughter)








           STATEMENT OP C. C. JOHNSON, ASSISTANT



           COMMISSIONER, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH



           SERVICES, NEW YORK CITY HEALTH DEPART-



                 MENT, NEW YORK, NEW YORK








           MR. JOHNSON:  Mr. Stein, to be formal about this,



and Members of the Committee:



           I do not have a prepared statement, primarily



because at the time I heard about the conference, which was



perhaps yesterday, it did not give me time, with all my



other duties, to be able to come here with the kind of pre-



pared statement I would like to give you.



           I do understand, however, this is not the fault



of anybody at the table.  It is one of those things that



happen in communication channels, and I guess the paper just

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did not get down to me.
           I think it  is very important, however, for a
city the size of New York, which represents somewhere pretty
close to 50 percent of the population of the State, since
we do have a large share in the tax base and we do have a
very active and live and, I hope, viable Health Department.
I am sure that the State would be the last to say that people
in the preventive public health field don't have a real
interest and a concern in water pollution control, and I
want to make sure that the record of this conference shows
that New York City does have this concern.
           We do have  a very real program, both in cooperating
with the State and cooperating with the other departments in
New York City in attempting to achieve the same objectives
and aims that this conference is trying to carry out.
           More than that, if, under any conditions, an
organization that has  this kind of concern loses its
visibility in that area in which these concerns are expressed,
they soon lose their identity and their capability to do a
program.  I think this  is very important for the conferees
and the people who are participating here to understand.
           More than that, we also have a legal responsi-
bility in the City of New York that has some power to express
itself through the regulations and standards and restraints.

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                       C. C. Johnson
and this legal responsibility in terms of water pollution
control rests with the New York City Health Department.
           We do carry out this responsibility, as I said,
in cooperation with the State, recognizing and never for-
getting that the State is a higher authority, and much of
what we carry out is within the aegis that they give us.
           Having this joint responsibility, we also have
some activities that we carry out, and these activities,
in no small measure, contribute to the status report that
this conference is attempting to develop, and, at the same
time, give some major progress that obtains in New York City
as a result of these activities.
           We have heard some very glowing reports in terms
of the progress that has been made by the State of New York,
and certainly our Department of Public Works in the City of
New York, and no one can argue with these statements.  On
the other hand, it might be questioned whether they cover
the entire field of water pollution control that we certain-
ly at the State level and in the Health Department of the
city are concerned with.
           For instance, a primary concern at the moment is
to build sewage treatment plants to contain and to treat the
city's sewage.  This of itself does not speak about the
industrial waste problem in the City of New York.  This is

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finished sewerage, and right now, except as the State and

the city Health Departments mandate, industrial concerns are

not necessarily compelled by the Department of Public Works

to tie into the city sewerage system.

           On the other hand, it is the policy of the City

of New York to tie all of these people into the city's

sewerage system so that we can reduce the number of outlets

that empty into our waterways around the city.

           We think that there is very good reason for this,

and we are cooperating with the Department of Public Works

and with the State to carry out the enforcement powers that

prevail, so that we can compel these industrial waste

polluters to tie into our city sewer systems.
                            i
           We were doing this before the actual legal enforce-

ment powers prevailed, and up to this time we have been suc-

cessful in getting some of the industrial polluters, with

their own moneys, to carry out the construction of sewers

that were necessary to make the tie-ins that are required

under our policy.

           We continue to work with these industrial polluters,

and we have quite a number of them in New York City, many of

them small, but I can say as large as some of the largest

ones  in some of the communities outside of New York State, to

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tie into our community sewerage system.
           So, with this kind of a policy, we are not in a
position to ^carry out the legal requirements and mandatory
court actions that you might take if you did not have to tie
into the city's sewerage system.
           Why is that so?  We can't tie into systems that
don't exist, so we have to cooperate and stimulate the further
acceleration of the construction of our city systems.
           I think Commissioner Hult would be the first to
say that we have had some influence in this regard.  I give,
as an example, the problems that we have on Staten Island.
Many of these problems are health problems.  Water pollution
is not just an economic problem.  It does have health implica-
tions, and because we point out these health problems, we are
able to change some of the priorities that prevail in the
construction of sewers that we need throughout New York City.
           I might say, when we talk about the kind of progress
that is being made, many people forget over the years that it
is sometimes a stimulation from an outside source that causes
this progress to become a reality, and I give as an example,
not because I am Assistant Commissioner for Environmental
Health, but these things came about before I came to the
Department last March, Broad Channel, which is a situation
that existed for some 20 or 30 years, I understand.

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           People in New York City knew that this was out



there, and it was not until the Health Department brought



to the public the kind of nuisance and potential hazards



that existed there, that we got some real activity in trying



to get the kind of correction that we need to have to bring



in the kind of sewage treatment facilities and practices to



eliminate the conditions in Broad Channel.



           They talk about Jamaica Bay.  I understand that



some seven or ten years ago, the Health Department was



pushing and perhaps laid some of the basic groundwork for the



studies that will be conducted in the terms of pollution in



Jamaica Bay.



           If we talk about combined sewers in New York City,



our own Harold Homer, now with the Department of Air Pollu-



tion, was one of the pioneers that brought to the fore the



kind of problems that combined sewers cause in terms of



pollution of our waters.



           So let's don't, under any circumstances, ignore



or forget that the local people, as well as the State and



the Federal people, are also in this fight to clean up our



waters, and we do have something to contribute, and we only



want to become part of the team so that we can also be cited



for the successes that you are talking about here.



           Thank you.

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           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Johnson.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           Charlie, do you want to wait a second, if you will?



           MR. JOHNSON:  Sure.



           MR. STEIN:  I have a question about the extent of



the industrial problem.  This is a new facet.  I had assumed



that within the city, these plants we were talking about were



going to pick up industrial as well as municipal waste.



           MR. JOHNSON:  What you assume is correct, and it



is because this is a policy that we have accepted and decided



upon amongst our inner departmental sewerage council here in



the city.



           Now, as I understand it, we have various kinds of



industrial polluters.  Many of these are located outside of



the regions of our existing sewerage system.  Some of them



are within the regions, and they are being compelled at this



time to tie into our sewerage systems.  In those instances



in which this is completely economically unfeasible, we will



look for alternative ways to combat this source of pollution.



           Now, just to put it in its proper perspective,



this is a very small percentage of the total pollutional load



that was developed by New York City.



           On the other hand, if we look at it in the



objective way, there is a law that says that you must give

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                       C. C. Johnson



treatment to all wastes, whether it is a small percentage or



a large percentage, and some attention has been given to



this part of the problem.



           MR. STEIN:  You can appreciate this, and Mr.



Metzler has dealt with this in the past.  If you are going



to deal with the pollution problem, there is no way of cutting



it.  You have to deal with small and large places.



           I remember we faced this problem in the 1950*s



in some of the Missouri cities, where we had run into industri-



al firms employing ten people, four people, having one water-



closet.  The question was where you cut, and after much



cogitation and work on this we decided you could not cut any-



where.  If you put Swift and Armour on, you had to go to the



smallest.



           Another thing we have found out is that in dealing



with pollution problems, very often in a city of this kind,



or in most large cities where you have an industrial-



municipal problem, industrial pollutants are often masked in



this municipal-industrial complex.



           True, compared to your major problem it is rela-



tively small, but once you do clean up, these things really



stick out like a sore thumb, so it seems to me that the



program should be designed to get them out.




           Don't you have authority in New York City to make

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                       C.  C.  Johnson



a man hook up to a sewer system?



           MR. JOHNSON:  We have authority both at the local



and at the*State level to compel the abatement of pollution



from whatever source it exists.



           We can also, through this authority, compel the



tie-in to our local sewerage system.



           MR. STEIN:  You know, I wish you would give my



regards to Harold Romer, whom you mentioned.  I have read his



material on combined sewers.



           As a matter of fact, the co-author of Mr. Romer's



articles is the conferee on my right.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Mr. Metzler?



           MR. METZLER:  Lest there be any confusion either



in my mind or anyone else's about how the industrial waste



situation  is handled here in New York City for those not now



tied into  the municipal system, am I correct in saying that



the New York City Health Department and the New York State



Health Department have an agreement about how we deal with



these, that in general the New York State Health Department



will handle the bigger polluters, and that the smaller ones



will be handled by  the New York City Health Department, un-



less there is some  special reason that you think we can be



helpful, and that the Department of Public Works cooperates

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                       C. C. Johnson



as a member of this team by doing a complete industrial waste



survey so that we know where all these sources are?



           Is that about a correct summary?



           MR. JOHNSON:  Well, let's say that we certainly



agree that we will cooperatively handle the problem.



           I am not sure it is my understanding that the



ultimate responsibility for locating the polluters rests with



the Department of Public Works.  I would, for my own opinion,



say that this is a New York City Health Department responsi-



bility.  We have it by charter.    We have it by the program



that we have set up to carry out the responsibilities under



our charter, and I would like to believe and would continue



to push for this as our responsibility.



           MR. METZLER:  Well, if we have identified an area



here in which we need to clarify this between the two city



departments involved and the State of New York, I can assure



the conferees that it will be, and we will report back next



time.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Johnson, for some very



helpful comments.



           You know, for years Mr. Johnson was the mainstay



of the Federal program until New York lured him away.



           MR. METZLER:  Pardon?



           MR. STEIN:  For years Mr. Johnson was the mainstay

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                       J. A. Lyons
of the Federal program until you New Yorkers lured him away.
           MR. METZLER:  You've just got to admit that Uew
York has got whatever it takes.  (Laughter)
           Now, with the concurrence of the Chairman, I would
like to start in on the upper end of the Hudson and move
downstream with the rest of the witnesses that we have today,
cleaning up the Hudson as we go, starting both alphabetically
and with my old local Commissioner of Health, Dr. John Lyons,
who is. Commissioner of Health for Albany County and the
Chairman of the Albany County Sewer Agency, who will give you
a report on what it is actually like on the firing line, when
you are trying to organize twelve or thirteen different
governmental groups into a single authority here.

           STATEMENT OP JOHN A. LYONS, M.D., COMMIS-
           SIONER OP HEALTH OP ALBANY COUNTY, CHAIR-
           MAN OF ALBANY COUNTY SEWER AGENCY

           DR. LYONS:  Thank you, Mr. Metzler.
           Mr. Chairman and Ladies and Gentlemen:
           I am speaking as the Chairman of the Albany County
Sewer Agency, and I want to thank Mr. Metzler for those kind
words.
           Albany County has been working on its water

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 pollution control program for over four years.  In 1963



 thirteen communities  in Albany County banded together to



 form the Joint Municipal Survey Committee, which received



 funds from the State  Health Department for a comprehensive



 sewage study.  The study area included approximately 95 per-



 cent of the population  of Albany County.  A contract for the



 study was  signed June 26, 1964, with Malcolm Pirnie Engineers



 of White Plains, New Yorfc.  This study was completed and



 approved by all participants in November of 1966.  It con-



 tained  two major alternatives.



           In Alternate A, each community would provide one or



more  of its own sewage  treatment plants, which would result



 in approximately twenty-two sewage treatment plants throughout



Albany County.  Alternate B called for combining eight communi-



ties  with  two major treatment plants serving them.



           On January 16, 1967, the Albany County Board of



Supervisors created the Albany County Sewer Agency, naming



 four  other members besides myself.  The agency was charged with



the  responsibility of determining if a county sewer district



could  be established and what its boundaries should be.



           Shortly after, Malcolm Pirnie Engineers again was



retained to prepare maps and plans to show the proposed



boundaries of the district and the proposed locations of all



facilities in accordance with Section 253 of the County Law.

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                       J. A. Lyons
This report was completed and presented to the County Sewer
Agency on July 25, 1967.  The agency reviewed the report and
recommended to the Board of Supervisors that the County
Sewer District be formed in accordance with Alternate B to
serve eight communities with two treatment plants.  This report
estimates a total construction cost of 38 million dollars,
with 16 million dollars of local money and 22 million dollars
of State and Federal aid and will service about 80 percent of
the population of Albany County,or 220,000 citizens.
           At the August meeting of the Board of Supervisors,
this proposal was presented and a date for a public hearing
on the Sewer District was established.  The public hearing
was held on September 11, 19&7.  At this hearing there was no
opposition to the proposal.  It received the full support of
the Board of Supervisors and the attending public.
           The Board of Supervisors will take action before
the end of September.  After they take this action, there
are many delays required by the County Law.  Mandatory waiting
periods of seventy days are included.  Approval of the New
York State Department of Audit and Control is necessary before
creation of the Sewer District.  With all these built-in
delays, it is anticipated that the County District will be
formed by the end of 1967.  All of the communities involved

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                       J. A. Lyons



in the County Sewer District, except the Village of Colonie,



are presently under orders by the New York State Department



of Health which requires that final plans will be submitted



by January 1, 1968.  In view of the legal delays for the



formation of the County District, we realize that we will not



have final plans by this date.  We will, however, have them



early in 1968.



           In creating the County Sewer District with multi-



municipal cooperation, we feel that we have moved as fast ajs



possible towards the overall aim of water pollution abatement



in Albany County.  If we don't run into more delays than we



have presently anticipated, we will be under construction



with some of our facilities in the fall of 1968.  We feel we



have developed the best possible proposal for water pollution



control in Albany County.  Eight different communities, with



varying political faiths, have Joined together 100 percent



in a common goal to fight water pollution in the Albany County



area of the Hudson River.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Dr. Lyons.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  Sir, I want to commend you on that



effort.  This is really water pollution at work, and I think

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                      J. A. Lyons
this is one of the areas that we often overlook.
           Sometimes we get to one city, one town or two
cities, twp towns, and we have only one part of the spectrum.
Here where New York City looms not only in size, but also
with its pollution problem, it is close to the problem.  This
is unique.  It has to be.  We get every phase of the program.
           However, the problem that you are facing is one
that can be solved, but it takes a lot of effort and a lot of
work.
           I hope you are as successful as St. Louis was.
They had the combined City of St. Louis and St. Louis County
with about 127 different towns, but the thing is working.
           Other than some of these New York projects that
are going on, the St. Louis job was the biggest pollution
control job in the country.  As a matter of fact, their
interceptor is so big it is like one of your subway lines,
and you can drive a train through.  This was what was needed
in order to do the work in St. Louis and make the job easy.
           Now, in contrast to this, and this is no criticism
of anyone, on the east side of the river in Illinois we have
some 21 separate communities and 10 or 12 different indus-
tries.   The State had to tackle all of those one at a time,
and in dealing with all of these, I think we achieved, hope-
fully,  the same results.

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                       J. A. Lyons



           There is a good deal to be said for this regional



approach and the regional plan in getting together.  I think



it is probably more economical once you get the thing done



for all concerned.



           In St. Louis, for example, I think we are going



to wind up with two or three plants, and on the east side



of the river we have at least 30, so that is the difference.



           Thank you very much.



           MR. METZLER:  I want to pay tribute.



           I don't know of another example — there may be



others — where a local health department, a county health



department, has exercised not only the kind of leadership,



but the quality and the balance between some pretty complex



political forces in order to weld this kind of a thing to-



gether.



           This is one of the most exciting things in inter-



governmental relations that I have observed in a long time,



and you and your staff deserve a lot of credit for that.



           DR. LYONS:  Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Let me go off the record.



           (Discussion off the record.)



           MR. STEIN:  Mr. Metzler?



           MR. METZLER:  We will now move right across to



the opposite side of the river, still on the capital side of

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                       R. W. Keeler



the river, to Mr. Keeler.  Mr. Keeler is the Chairman of



the Rensselaer County Sewer Agency.  For those of you who



know the geography down this end of the State better than up



on the other end of the Hudson, they are our neighbors off



the east end of the Hudson.








           STATEMENT OF RICHARD W. KEELER, CHAIRMAN



           OF THE RENSSELAER COUNTY AGENCY FOR ABATE-



           MENT AND CONTROL OF POLLUTION, TROY, NEW YORK








           MR. KEELER:  Chairman Stein, Members of the



Conference, Ladies and Gentlemen:



           My appearance here today was brought about by a



sincere desire to be of assistance to you and your conference,



as well as to the various-sized municipal governments in New



York State that are involved in water pollution and, particu-



larly those municipalities between New York City and the



Federal dam in Troy, and by the excellent cooperation of the



Commissioner of Health of the State of New York Pure Water



Department.



           My entrance into local politics came about rather



abruptly in March of 1966 when I was appointed Supervisor



of the Town of Brunswick, Rensselaer County, to fill an un-



expired term.  After a brief reading of a comprehensive

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                       R. W. Keeler



sewage study, WPC-CS-19, of Troy and environs, completed in



September of 1965 and accepted lay the New York State Health



Department  in January of 1966, I wrote to the Commissioner



requesting  that the Health Department initiate the necessary



steps to bring about a Joint community effort that would



eliminate the pollution of the Hudson River in the vicinity



of Troy and at the least possible cost to each of the



offending communities.



           The realization that Governor Rockefeller's one



billion dollar sewer bond proposal, voted overwhelmingly



by the people of the State of New York, would not in itself,



nor would the State of New York undertake to correct the



situation by itself, came to me during the public hearings



held by the Health Department to establish a timetable for



our area to solve the pollution problem.  The local municipal



official is one of the keys to the implementation of this



program.  The success of the entire Federal program, as well



as the success of the State program, rests at the local level



of government.  The local official, therefore, needs education



and support from both the Federal and State level in order



to bring this about.



           My understanding of State and Federal aid is that



New York State, out of the one billion dollar sewer bond,



will provide 30- percent of the total cost of the approved

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                       R. W. Keeler
facilities and this money is available.  The Federal Govern-
ment will supply 55 percent of the total cost of the
approved Tacilities and this money is not available.  There-
fore,  in our State, the State government will prepay approxi-
mately 30 percent of the total cost for the Federal Govern-
ment,  thereby making a guarantee to the local official of
60 percent State and Federal aid.  The second key to success,
therefore, is the 25 percent of Federal aid in various forms;
regardless of how well planned, prepared, approved, etc.,
there  is not sufficient funds available from the Federal
Government to cover the demands of regional pollution abate-
ment programs.
           The local municipal official, therefore, is the
one who must go to his neighbor, sell him on a pollution
abatement program, raise his taxes to pay for this program,
tell him that he may or may not receive additional Federal
aid  (like the carrot in front of the donkey), and after it's
all moving along quite well, and the additional aid does not
come,  still say  "Good morning," still smile and hope that he
smiles back, still expect him to vote for you at the next
election, and still try to explain why the Federal Government
in Washington is willing to take his tax dollar and send it
all over the world, except to send a small portion back home
to help alleviate one of the major problems of conservation

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                        R.  W.  Keeler



 existing in the United States today.   The  implementation of



 this  sewage pollution solution, with a guarantee of 85 per-



 cent  combined  Federal and  State aid, would be much easier to



 sell  and would enable all  communities  to meet the established



 timetables  as  stipulated by the Commissioner of Health of the



 State of New York.



            As  Chairman of  the Rensselaer County Sewer Agency,



 it has been my privilege to serve with a blue-ribbon agency



 of professional engineers  who have given many days and hours



 of voluntary service  to bring the agency to a point where,



 for the City of Troy  and the  towns of  North Greenbush,



 Schaghticoke,  Brunswick and Sand Lake,  the agency is now



 preparing a brochure  for mailing to all prospective members



 of Rensselaer  County  Sewer District #1 as  a preliminary to the



holding of  a public hearing by the Rensselaer County Board of



 Supervisors.   The meeting  of  the timetable for our area as



 established by the Health  Commissioner is  moving along on



 schedule.   The agency has  hired an engineering firm and,



 after the formation of the Sewer District, will hire the



 necessary financial and legal advisers  and instruct the en-



 gineers to  submit the final comprehensive  plans to the Health



 Commissioner in time  to meet  the schedule.  Our area should



 complete its share of the  control of pollution of the Hudson



 River by 1Q?1  and the arranging for sufficient funds by you

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                       R. W.  Keeler



 to  cover  the  25  percent  of  total  cost,  for all areas that



qialify, will  speed up  and Implement the entire program.



           *I  fully realize  that the demands on our Federal



 Government for funds to  operate the multitude of needed



 programs  throughout the  United States,  as well as our



 foreign commitments, both military and  otherwise, place  an



 enormous  burden  on the proper and judicious allocation of



 funds, but I  also fully  realize that  if we as a Nation do not



 take care of  ourselves first  and  then take care of our neigh-



bors as best  we  can, there  will eventually be no Nation  to



 take care of, and it is  at  this point in our  future history



 when we as a  Nation will find out that  we are standing alone



 to  face our judgment while  our neighbors stand by and  watch.



            Thank you for listening, Chairman  Stein, to one



 of  200 million Americans who  happens  to be a  local public



 official  trying  to do  his best  for the  citizens of his



 community.



            I  would like  to  add  one little point, if I  may.



            Please help us a little more as far as HUD  moneys



 are concerned for the  local small sewers, not just the big



 treatment plants or the  interceptors.



            Thank you very much.



            MR. STEIN:  Thank  you  for  an excellent statement.



            I  am  going  to stay away from international  remarks,

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but I do agree that the local municipal official is one of



the keys to the implementation of this program.   The



success of the entire Federal program, as well as the success



of the State program, rests at the local level of government.



I don't think there is any doubt about that.   I would



suspect that my colleague, who works at the level of govern-



ment in the State, would agree.



           I have noticed one thing about our democratic



system of government in going around on pollution cases in



various parts of the country.  What solves a municipal pollu-



tJbn problem is a state of mind by a particular group of



local officials to really get moving in an efficient way, not



to drag along and not to waste any more time, because if you



do you are going to run into what Governor Rockefeller said



you were going to run into, mounting costs.  I don't think



that procrastination pays off.



           Unless the local official comes to that realiza-



tion and comes to that conclusion, no one in the State, no



one in the Federal Government, and no one, I might say, in



an interstate agency, is going to do this.  You are the



prime movers.  You have to make the decision.



           All we do is sit around and perhaps push and



heckle so that you wish we would get out of the way sometimes.



           The key to the problem is the local official.  I

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                     R. W. Keeler
don't care whether this is New York City, or Rensselaer, or
anywhere else, because the story is the same.  You are the
ones who bu|ld and operate pollution plants, and you are the
ones who are going to clean up the pollution.
           Thank you very much for your work.  I am delighted
to see that you are baptized, and welcome to the fold.
           MR. KEELER:  Thank you.
           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.
           MR. METZLER:  We have one other representative
from Rensselaer County, Mr. Carl Stefanic, who is here for
the local Health Department of Rensselaer County.
           The local Health Department in Rensselaer County,
as in Albany County, has played a very major role in bringing
about this cooperative county-wide effort.

           STATEMENT OF CARL STEFANIC, ON BEHALF OF
           DR. H. JACKSON DAVIS, COMMISSIONER OF
           HEALTH, RENSSELAER COUNTY, NEW YORK

           MR. STEFANIC:  I am here representing Dr. Davis.
He couldn't be here because he is preparing for a hearing
on the 1Q68 budget, and he asked me to appear in his behalf.
           Dr. Davis has this statement:
           Two years ago New York State-financed comprehensive

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                      C.  Stefanic
 sewerage studies  were underway for those municipalities
 in  Rensselaer County bordering on  the  Hudson River  even
 before  the citizens  of  New York State  overwhelmingly  voted
 for our two billion  dollar pure waters program   It has been
 stated  that it is the purpose  of this  reconvened conference
 on  pollution of the  Hudson River and its tributaries  to
 review  existing problems,  evaluate  the progress being made,
 and to  plan future action.
            Today, these studies  are either completed  or are
 awaiting approval by the  New York State Department  of Health.
 A plan  then has been formulated  to provide sewers and sewage
 treatment for  the Cities  of Troy and Rensselaer, the  Village of
 Gastieton,  and  the Towns  of Brunswick, North Greenbush, Sand
 Lake, Schaghticoke,  East  Greenbush, and Schodack, comprising
 over 85 percent of the population of Rensselaer County.
            The Village of Hoosick Falls on the Hoosic River,
 a major tributary to  the  Hudson, is proceeding to construct
 sewage  treatment  facilities in the hear future.  The  Village
 of Valley Falls,  independent of  State  financial assistance,
has completed  its own comprehensive sewerage study.
            To date, all major polluters of the Hudson River,
 both municipal and industrial, within Rensselaer County have
been cited with a State Health Commissioner's Order to cease
and abate pollution of the Hudson River immediately or to

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                     C.  Stefanic




submit to a reasonable timetable of corrective action.



Such remedial action is necessary to make the Federal program



and the State's Pure Waters Program effective.



           A major accomplishment in Rensselaer County is



the formation of a comprehensive County Agency whose immedi-



ate goal is to solve our water pollution problem.  We have



two members of the agency in the audience today:  Mr. Richard



Keeler, Supervisor of the Town of Brunswick, who is Chairman



of the County Agency, and Professor Edward J. Kilcawley of



Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute.  Through the efforts of



the Rensselaer County Board of Supervisors and these men



seated here today, with a prod from the State Health Depart-



ment, Rensselaer County Sewer District #1, comprising the



City of Troy and four neighboring towns which contribute



sewage from approximately 80,000 people, will be brought



to the public during the fall of 196? for their acceptance.



Similar situations are near occurrence in some of our smaller



municipalities.



           So far it appears that the water pollution prob-



lems in Rensselaer County are to be solved and that con-



struction of all water pollution control plants will be



completed in accordance with the schedule recommended by the



original conference.  As usual, however, there is the standard

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                      C. Stefanic



drawback, money.  M-0-N-E-Y.  The guaranteed 60 percent State



and Federal aid for construction costs of eligible treatment



plants and interceptor sewers is a great asset in many cases.



However, in many other cases 60 percent aid on eligible



items is not enough.  Additional aid is necessary for treatment



facilities and guaranteed State and Federal aid is a must



for the collection system.



           Presently, the municipalities are being teased



with a dream of 85 percent State and Federal aid for treat-



ment and interceptor facilities.  For the basic 60 percent,



where is this other 25 percent?  Rensselaer County is eligible



for all of it.  10 percent is available if New York State



matches the Federal Government's 30 percent.  Another 10



percent is available if enforceable water quality standards



have been established for the receiving waters in New York



State.  Another 10 percent of the Federal grant amount, say



5 percent of the total eligible costs, is available if the



project is certified by a regional planning agency.  We



qualify for all three.  Where is the money?



           HUD grants are supposedly available to cover 50




percent of the collection system, a major cost in the un-



sewered housing areas.  No one appears to be getting such a




grant.




           The problem then appears to be this:  the cost

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to the average homeowner is prohibitive without additional



aid.  Municipalities and projects subject to permissive



referendum may wait until the additional 25 percent aid for



treatment costs and 50 percent aid for collection systems



is available.  A significant delay in meeting the abatement



timetable can be expected.  Guarantee these monies now and



the goal of this conference will be realized.



           On behalf of the Rensselaer County Board of



Supervisors and the Rensselaer County Department of Health,



I wish to express my wholehearted support of the goals of



this conference -- to review, evaluate, and present a plan



for action in our part of the Hudson River Basin.



           Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           MR. METZLER:  Will you wait just a minute, please?



           Responding to your last remarks there that the



costs to the homeowners are higher, are you talking about



homeowners who are already on the sanitary sewers?



           MR. STEFANIC:  We have many unsewered areas, and



this is where the problem lies.



           MR. METZLER:  Actually, from the standpoint of



pollution of the Hudson River or its tributaries, this does



not have much effect.  Am I correct in saying this?  This is

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                     C. Stefanic




a public health problem in that this represents pollution



in the  backyards.  This isn't really stream pollution, is



it?



           MR. STEFANIC:  No.  They are polluting small



tributaries to the Hudson.



           MR. METZLER:  And you are saying that you think



this has enough pollution potential so that it does have



some effect on the Hudson?



           MR. STEFANIC:  Yes, sir.



           MR. METZLER:  All right.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you.



           Are there any further comments or questions?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  If not, Mr. Metzler?



           MR. METZLER:  The next speaker is Mr. James



Hardin, who is Commissioner of the Division of Pure Water



in Westchester County.



           Mr. Harding is recognized as one of the leaders




in this business of local government in New York State, and



we are glad to have you here today.








           STATEMENT OF JAMES HARDING, COMMISSIONER



           FOR DIVISION OF PURE WATER, WESTCHESTER



                     COUNTY, NEW YORK

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                      J. Harding




           MR. HARDING:  Thank you.




           Mr. Stein, Ladies and Gentlemen:




           I do not have any prepared statement.  I came here




to learn, and not to teach.




           With respect to programs, we have submitted




several programs.  First, we started with a program several




years ago, confined to the one plant that the county operates




at the Hudson River, the Yonkers Joint Treatment Plant.




           At the same time that we submitted a program,




various municipalities in Westchester County along the




Hudson River — I believe there are seven that have treatment




plants — also submitted a program.




           The State Health Department decided that they did




not want to accept any of these programs, or, rather, that




they did not want to allocate funds for an engineering study




to the seven separate municipalities and to the county, and




that they wanted a county-wide study taking not only the




Hudson River Basin in, but the entire area of Westchester




County.



           That has delayed things and it will continue to




delay things.  It poses a lot of very complicated procedural




and engineering problems.



           After this meeting, we will get together and try




to arrive at a more realistic program.

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                      J.  Harding



            I  believe that your Department  asked the con-



 sulting engineers,  who were  only hired a month or so ago, to



 get  in  a preliminary report  in three months.  Well, that's



 nonsense.   We will  be lucky  if they do it  in a year.



            I  am a little bit worried about these new efflu-



 ent  standards about which I  have heard rumors.  I don't know



 what it is  proposed to establish, but when we designed the



 Yonkers  plant, it was designed  by a prominent firm of



 engineers,  and after consultation with your Department, Mr.



 Metzler, secondary  treatment was provided  for to accomplish



 removals that at that time they thought reasonable.



            Land was  built out  into the Hudson River, made



 land, based on what the  requirements were  thought to be at



 that time.



            If you come up with  any standards like I have



 heard today,  we are really going to -be up  against it, and 1



 think we are  going  to be faced  with further delays and



 greatly  increased costs.



           Frankly,  I  am afraid of regulatory agencies, such



as are represented  at  your table right now.  You are very



prone and you are often accused of being prone, anyway, and



 I really agree with the accusation, to set high standards



without worrying too much about the cost,  and I think you



 should give the cost very great consideration before you fix

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                     J. Harding



the standards.




           I was shocked when I heard on the radio this



morning that Senator Kennedy was going to present a statement



here calling for 90 percent removal.  If a standard like that



goes into effect on the Hudson River and similarly around



the rest of the State, and if the Federal Government con-



tinues to put up the magnificent sums of peanut-size that



they have put up to date, the billion dollar bond issue is



going to be Worn out awfully fast, and by the time we get



our plans out and are ready to let construction contracts,



you won't have any money to give us.



           Westchester County people, of course, are very



conservation-minded, very pure-waters-minded, but they are



also tax-conscious.  If something comes along that is going



to raise their tax rate tremendously, I think your pure



waters program is going to get a setback.



           I heard Commissioner Hurt's talk.  There was one



thing I did not agree with him about.  You asked him the



question  — I think it was Mr. Stein's question -- whether



he thought the program would be slowed down by lack of



competent engineers, contractors, equipment, and so forth,



and Mr. Hult said he didn't think it would be.



           I think it will be.  The consulting engineers



that I know, and I know most of the high-grade ones in the

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                      J. Harding




waste business, all have as much work as they can handle.




A lot of them continue to take more, but after a few drinks,



they'll tell you they don't know how they are going to get




it done.  (Laughter)




           They are pirating men from each other, just the




way you pirated from New York City.  There is a lack of



skilled contractors, we find, when we are taking bids now




on pumping stations, filter plants, and so forth, and the




delays in obtaining equipment are getting to be fantastic,




especially if it is special.



           So I would say it will slow down your program.  I




don't mean to imply that you can't meet your 1972 dead-




line, but in order to meet that, all of us are going to




really have to put out superior performance.



           I think the State Health Department has got to be




the leader, and has got to really put the heat on the local




municipalities, local taxpayers' organizations, and so forth.




We will, of course, be glad to cooperate.




           Thank you for this opportunity.




           MR. STEIN:  Thank you for a very complete and




frank statement of your views, Mr. Harding.




           Are there any questions or comments?




           (No response.)




           MR.- STEIN:  By the way, how much removal do you

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                     J. Hard ing



have in the plant now?



           MR. HARDING:  I will have to ask Mr. Griffin.



           MR. GRIFFIN:  At the Yonkers plant, they are



removing about 62 or 63 percent of suspended solids, and just



under 60 percent BOD.  The plant was designed on a 60 percent



removal of suspended solids, and with chlorination.



           MR. HARDING:  I might add one thing, that years



ago we were told by your Department that we should provide



for secondary treatment.



           Well, of course, secondary treatment has been



very poorly and very awkwardly defined in the past, but with



this talk of 90 percent now, you talk about what we used to
                                           /


call final treatment, tertiary treatment.



           MR. STEIN:  That's right.  I don't think there is



any question about that.



           MR. METZLER:  Mr. Harding, if I might comment



here to compliment you on the statement, it is this kind of



frank evaluation and knowledge of the local officials that



help guide the program with respect to the degree of treatment



and the standards that are set.



           There isn't any doubt but that the same standards



which New York State set up for the Hudson are going to re-



quire a high degree of treatment, and we need to work with



you on the details as to what this is.

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                     J. Harding



           We have defined secondary treatment in New York



State officially, but it is still really getting down to



what kind of treatment do we need to make the kind of a



stream out of the Hudson with the stream standards which



the State submitted requires?  I agree with you.



           MR. HARDING:  You ought to put a paragraph at



the end perhaps, and say that the local municipalities can



collect the samples.  (Laughter)



           MR. STEIN:  Mr. Klashman?



           MR. KLASHMAN:  What type of a plant are your



engineers planning to design, and what type of removals do



you anticipate?



           MR. HARDING:  Well, we haven't gotten that far



yet.



           MR. KLASHMAN:  I mean, you are talking about



activated sludge, aren't you?



           MR. HARDING:  We originally figured on high-rate



aeration, but it looks as if you are talking now about



activated sludge.



           MR; KLASHMAN:  Thank you very much.



           MR. STEIN:  One thing:  I do think that in the



last analysis the local officials have to collect the



information.



           In New York State and in New Jersey, I think it

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                     J. Harding


is fair to say here that once you collect it, you get full


information.  I don't think there is any question about who

     *
should collect or be the original source of collecting this,


and I think on a day-to-day basis you are going to have to


deal with Mr. Metzler for some checks.  That is going to


have to continue, and when they recognize that they are


suspicious, they will go to agencies like us.


           We only come around once in a while, but you are


going to have to work with Dwight every day.


           MR. METZLER:  May I say something off the record?


           MR. STEIN:  Surely.


           (Discussion off the record.)
                                        /

           MR. STEIN:  Mr. Metzler?


           MR. METZLER:  We have one other witness, Mr.


William Lathrop Rich.





           STATEMENT OF WILLIAM LATHROP RICH, CHAIRMAN


           OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE NEW YORK - MONTREAL


                            SEAWAY





           MR. RICH:  My name is William Lathrop Rich, and


I am called that because there are other William Rich's in


New York, and we have had plenty of complications in the


past.

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                     W.  L. Rich



           I am  going  to indulge  in  a  little  variance in



 some of the comments.  Mr. Seymour sort of set the standards



 for me, so I am  not  a  bit ashamed to go ahead with what I



 have to say.



           Mr. Chairman,  Honored Guests, Ladies and



 Gentlemen:



           The Committee  for the New York-Montreal Seaway,



 of which I am the Chairman, drifted  into the  problem of the



 pollution of the Hudson River as a result of  its more than



 ten years of research  related to the proposed seaway between



 New York City and Montreal, Canada.



           The function of that proposed seaway was to pro-



 vide a shortcut for  ocean vessels to traverse between the



 ports of the South Atlantic and of the Far East and the



 ports on the Great Lakes, because it would afford the



 shippers, between those ports, a means of reducing their



 delivery costs through the reduction of their freight charge,



made possible by this shortcut, which use would afford a



 reduction of shipping time between the ports.



           The International Joint Commission has recently



 released a survey report which reached an erroneous conclu-



 sion because the survey was conducted under a false premise



because dimensional  restrictions were introduced into the



 survey, which were not in accordance with the survey

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                     W. L. Rich

authorization, which our committee was instrumental in

securing, with the result tnat the survey was based upon con-

ditions that existed in 1935 and not upon the requirements

of today — 1967.

           One of the basic requirements for such a seaway

is that it must have a constantly maintained depth and water

level.

           That requirement being axiomatic, it soon became

obvious to us that the only practical means by which a

constant water level and depth of the seaway at the docks

at Albany, New York, could be maintained, was by the construc-

tion of a dam, having appropriate locks for the traversing of

vessels, across the Hudson River below Albany.

           When the polluted condition of the Hudson River

became so obvious that it drew recognition, we released a

statement to the press on May 20, 1965, which stated in

effect that by locating that dam, which we had found our

project required, down the river a short distance above

Yonkers, opposite Graystone, New York, the Hudson River could

eventually be converted into a fresh water lake, one hundred

and fifty miles long, provided that the pollutants, entering

the river upstream, were eliminated.

           This use of a dam, to maintain a constant water

level, is not new or without precedent and I believe that

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                       W.  L. Rich



most of you are aware of  two  conspicuous  examples  of a dam



used to secure that result.   They are  the one maintaining



the lagoon in the New York World's Fair and  the  other one



maintaining the Charles River Basin in Boston, Massachusetts.



            The length of  time that will be needed  to convert



the waters of the Hudson  River into fresh water  will depend



on  how fast President Johnson's Water  Quality Act  of 1965



and Governor Rockefeller's $1 billion  plan to combat water



pollution  are made to function.



            Now you ask, why that dam?



            The dam's basic function is to prohibit the move-



ment of the polluted salt waters that  surround the City of



New York and the brackish contaminated waters of the bay,



from moving up the Hudson River with the  tides.



            Gentlemen,  that is the point.   I  was  talking to



Governor Rockefeller this morning about what was evidently



eliminated from all consideration,  stopping  the  movement of the




salt brackish water up the Hudson.



            That principle of  the use of a dam to exclude



salt water has been recommended for the treatment  of the



harbor of  San Francisco,  to accomplish that  same purpose.



            If that dam is properly designed, having locks



 for the traversing of vessels,  it will present no  bar to the



 bass, the shad, the sturgeon  or any other fish from moving



up the river for spawning.

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                     W. L. Rich
           When the waters of the Hudson River are once
again returned to their former fresh state, they will again
be safe for swimming, without fear, as at present, of con-
tracting typhoid fever.  Other marine sports and rehabilitated
fishing can again be enjoyed and other marine life will
prosper.
           Do not overlook the fact that that proposed
constant river water level, which will be equal to and no
higher than the present flood tides, which now prevail on
the Hudson River, will permit the building of permanent
docking facilities, eliminate the damage to shore installa-
tions done by the ice in the winter, which is caused by the
fluctuations of the tides, and permit the maintenance of
clean shore lines.
           The resultant fresh water, above that dam, will
also be available for use by the cities up the Hudson River,
the State of New Jersey, to refill its reservoirs and, with
the cooperation of the Consolidated Edison Company, the
City of New York, then also refill its reservoirs by making
use of the pumping station that the consolidated Edison
Company is to build at Cornwall, on the Hudson.
           Let us now bear in mind that the waters of the
Hudson Fiver at Chelsea, 56 miles upstream  from Midtown

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                      W.  L. Rich
Manhattan,  as  reported by Ian Rae,  Staff Writer  for the
Journal-American,  June 27, 1965,  "are dangerously polluted
but also  taste horrible  — more horrible than the castor oil
my mother gave me  as  a child," and  Paul Hofman reports in
the New York Times, August 29, 1967, that the report by
the Geological Survey of the Department of the Interior
that the  sea water front is moving  further upstxe am in the
Hudson River,  and  that the intrusion of sea water was caused
by the siphoning off  of  more and more fresh water from the
Hudson River estuary  by  communities and industries north of
New York  City.
            In  conclusion, may we state and remind you that
this proposed  conversion of the presently polluted Hudson
River into  a fresh water lake, one  hundred and fifty miles
long, is  only  one  of  the numerous bonus benefits that will
accrue to the  State of New York and to the other regions
along its route, when our proposed  New York-Montreal Seaway
is built, that the siphoning off of fresh water from the
Hudson River by the communities and industries will increase
yearly more and more, that the starting up of the Consolidated
Edison Company's pumping station at Cornwall, will hasten the
movement  of the sea salt water front up the Hudson River and
that even.if all the  pollutants are eliminated from all the
waters flowing down the  Hudson, the result will be futile

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                     W. L. Rich
and fresh water will become less and less available, due to
the increasing intrusion of the contaminated salt water from
the bay, unless that dam, which we have recommended and have
found essential to our proposed New York-Montreal Seaway,
is constructed across the Hudson River and thus stop the
ever-increasing intrusion of that contaminated salty bay
water up the Hudson River.
           We recognize that what we are recommending will
cost large amounts of money but because the fresh water
situation has become so critical that drastic action has now
to be taken to correct it and that, not only the State of
New York but the rest of our Nation has reached such a
fresh water crisis that now a decision has to be made as
to whether it wants to have fresh water or to hang on to its
money, in spite of the ever-growing fresh water shortage.
           We thank you.
           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. Rich, for your
complete statement.
           Are there any comments or questions?
           MR. METZLER:  No.
           MR. STEIN:  Thank you very much.
           Mr. Metzler?
           MR. METZLER:  Are there any others here from New
York State who would like to speak, who have not made their

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names  known?
            (No  response.)
            MR.  METZLER:  With  that, Mr. Stein, this concludes
the  list  of New York witnesses.
            MR.  STEIN:  All right.  Fine.
            I will now try to give you the program for
tomorrow, as best we can.  There may be one or so more wit-
nesses who  want  to be heard.
            We will convene here at 9-30 in the morning.  At
that time,  if there  are any more public witnesses, they will
be heard.   If not, we will recess and have an executive
session.
            At the present time, depending on the length of
time for the witnesses, and the complexities of the matters
in the executive session, we would hope to have an announce-
ment at about 11:30  in the morning.
            Now, as things develop, and I hope the staff comes
up with some ideas overnight, we may be able to give you
another judgment in  the morning of how long it will take,
but I think we pretty much have a feel of how this is going
and I am pretty optimistic that we can come up with an agree-
ment among  the conferees.
            I will say this:  We have had some pretty tough
cases in the past, but our record has been unanimous all the

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time, and we have not had many dissents.  I hope after we



have worked this case over, we will be able to come up with



unanimous conclusions and recommendations.



           I would like to point out that a month or two



ago we did that with relation to the waters below here on



the Raritan.  We are upstream now.  I hope we can continue



this record.



           We will stand recessed until 9:30 tomorrow



morning in this room.  We will have our public session,



recess again, and then the announcement will be made.  It



will probably be made here about 11:30 tomorrow morning,



unless we announce a different time tomorrow.



           We stand recessed until 9:30.  Thank you.



           (Whereupon, at 5:00 p.m., an adjournment was



taken unt il Thursday, September 21, 196?, at 9:30 a.m.)

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           Second Session of the Conference in the Matter



of Pollution of the Interstate Waters of the Hudson River



and its Tributaries, held at the Statler-Hilton Hotel,



Broadway at 32nd Street, New York, New York, on September



21, 1967, at 9:30 a.m.








           PRESIDING:



               Mr. Murray Stein, Assistant Commissioner



               for Enforcement, Federal Water Pollution



               Control Administration, Department of the



               Interior.








           CONFEREES:



                    (As heretofore noted.)

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James P. O'Donnell
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                    J.  P.  O'Donnell
           MR. STEIN:  May we  reconvene?


           I believe we may have  one or two more statements


from New York.


           Mr. Metzler?


           MR. METZLER:  It is my understanding that Mr.


O'Donnell  is here to present a statement for Prank O'Connor,


President  of the New York  City Council.





           STATEMENT OF JAMES P.  O'DONNELL, ON BEHALF


           OP HON. PRANK D. O'CONNOR, PRESIDENT OP


           THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF NEW YORK
                                     s




           MR. O'DONNELL:  Mr. O'Connor is sorry he was un-


able to accept your gracious invitation to speak here this


morning.   He happens to be up in  Hamilton, New York, with the


American Management Association,  and probably, after he reads


an account of the speech here this morning, he will have to


assume ambassadorial robes in that connection.  (Laughter)


           Imagine, if you will,  a man somewhat shorter than


myself, a lot more personable, and a lot more kind, and you


get some picture of Mr. O'Connor, so if you will accept the


perpendicular pronoun here, we will get to the short speech.


           I am happy to have been invited here this morning.

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Pollution has long been a concern of mine, since I served as



District Attorney of Queens.



           For those of you who don't know where Queens is,



it is a borough across the river here.  There are two million



people here, and perhaps a graphic way to describe it is



that it is a suburb of Newtown Creek.  (Laughter)



           I saw graphic examples there of the damage and in-



Jury done to one-family housing and its occupants by the



vapors from highly polluted areas.  Paint peeling off the



walls, suffocating nauseous odors and smells which made



living unbearable in areas already harassed by a noise pollu-




tion second to none in the country.



           Last year I saw first-hand the extent of water



pollution throughout our State from Lake Erie to Lake



Onondaga, to the Mohawk River and Lake Champlain; along our



own once gorgeous Hudson, to the lower bay of New York, to



the East River and Newtown Creek, and, yes, even to the Long




Island shore.



           This summer on trips around the city itself, I saw



samples taken of our waters which underscored the fact that



there are more marginal and unsafe waters for swimming than



actually safe waters.  Surveys conducted by the city's Health



Department and a joint team of city, State and Federal



authorities confirm these conditions with new findings.

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Shellfishing for clams was forbidden and the State posted



fishing areas on Staten Island off-limits.  But city people



continued to swim this summer in waters that were far in



violation of the State's own standard of 2400 coliforms per



milliliter of water and they swam without first being informed



of the facts.



           Just parenthetically, surveys taken at certain



beaches on Staten Island, for example, showed that at a given



sample there were 240,000 coliform per milliliter of water,



which is well in excess of 100 times what the State limit



gives.  On an average, it was 70,000 coliform per milliter



of water.



           As a result, we urged the city's Health Department



to post the beaches and waters of the city as to their condi-



tion — either as safe, marginal or unsafe.



           Unfortunately, this was not done in time this



year for some unexplained reason, although there is an indica-



tion that posting may take place next year.  In the interim,



we have submitted legislation making it mandatory on the city



to post beaches and their waters.



           I begin my remarks by this account for several



reasons.  One to thank the Federal Water Pollution Control



Administration, the Corps of Army Engineers and the City's



Health Department for conducting that joint survey at our

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                     J. F. O'Donnell



request.



           Two, to remind all of us that unless municipal



authorities like the city take the lead not only in pollu-



tion control but in actual pollution information, education



and planning, then how can we expect private enterprise to



take seriously governmental demands for greater observance



of the various pollution laws.



           Parenthetically, on today's Board of Estimate



calendar in City Hall, there are several items being put



forward by the city administration for the establishment of



pollution control facilities in the metropolitan area, and



they are probably all going to be favorably received by the



Board of Estimate.



           And while investigation and enforcement and control



have been stepped up considerably on every level, especially



over the last five or six years, progress against pollution,



especially its oldest version of water pollution, has been




minimal at best.



           There are many examples of conditions getting worse



instead of better.  Parts of Rarltan Bay are in the words of



one of today's panel a biological desert.  The wake in New-



town Creek, experienced observers tell me, is actually black.



And I saw first-hand myself that the wake in waters around



Staten Island was during our summer survey a dull red.

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                     J. F. O'Donnell



           To recount statistic after statistic of industri-



al and municipal pollution by dumping raw or just primarily



treated sewage into our metropolitan waters would be a boring



litany for so sophisticated a group as this.  But perhaps



this is the trouble in a sense.  We have all been inured to



the tiresome, deadly list of polluters, and to the fact that



deadlines for change have become schedules not to make but



to break, and that higher standards are criteria to



wink at rather than to observe.  True, we are making some



progress in New York City with reference to Newtown Creek



and the items on the Board of Estimate today, and to some



areas in Staten Island, but that progress is obviously not



enough, not nearly enough.  And this is true of every other



city along the river, and of almost every business.  Every-



body knows it in and out of government and in and out of



business.  The twain meets occasionally only to twang out



of tune and contact as soon as business pays a small fine for



an infraction that may be its tenth, not its first.



           If we punished traffic violators like we



punish water polluters, we would have all died of the con-



gestion and the combustion and the cacophony a long time ago.



           The fines we levy on industrial polluters in this



country are nothing more than licenses to pollute,  Stirely,



we can speak of a growing body of cases and fines, but these

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                     J. P. O'Donnell



are but grains of sand that we in government and industry



move around more to give the impression of action and



progress than anything else.



           Let us in government stop playing at pollution



and get down to the hard business of enforcement, not only



with ourselves, but with our industrial giants, who have



taken our slaps on the wrist for almost seventy years for



just what they were — a gentle reminder that they enjoyed



a rather inexpensive impunity to pollute.



           Now, I noticed in today's Times, again paren-



thetically, that there was a certain clash here yesterday



between two high government officials, and a rumor to the



effect that we didn't want to be part of that clash because



we are still suffering from last year's debacle is not true,



but the idea ~ and I don't say this in partisanship — that



we are going to have clean waters by 1972 by the wave of



some magic wand is kind of hard to believe.



           There are many reasons why we in the city govern-



ment, especially on the Council side, look upon these



promises as strictly paper promises.



           There is a clash, for example, between the



Senator and the Governor as to whether we need two facilities



on the Hudson River, or one.  There are other people in the



Regional Planning Association who feel that the facilities

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                     J. F. O'Donnell
should be placed somewhere else.
           A deadline of July 1st for a lot of municipal
action for this area, which was set here last year, cer-
tainly is not being observed by our city.  I don't say that
in a partisan comment.
           The items that are passing on the Board of
Estimate, hopefully, today will not probably be undertaken
until maybe July 1st of next year, much less completed, so
we are already behind time, and a projection of one of the
think tanks, the Hudson, Inc., that was reported in the Wall
Street Journal yesterday indicates that they have plans for
Welfare Island that involve 250,000 people in a housing
development, and if this takes place between 1972 and 1980,
what are our facilities, or are there specs in our present
programs and plans that will allow for such expans ion?
           I have my doubts, and I am sure that we are not
alone.
           We have the laws although there may be one or two
recent amendments which should revert to their old statutory
language and intent.  I am speaking here specifically of
Section 433 of the Federal Code.  We have the organization
on every level, public and private -- city, State, inter-
state and Federal.
           What we have to do now is put the jigsaw pieces

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                     J. F. O'Donnell



together and come up with a total picture that means some-



thing positive and progressive to everyone concerned.



           Let us make it abundantly clear to everyone that



water pollution just does not affect the swimmer, but the



ship and the shipper, the port and the landlubber.  It



affects everyone and its threat is growing and will continue



even when we have achieved a progressive and creative program



to combat pollution.



           The example of the tanker, which ran aground in



England this year and burst open with its 114,000 tons of



oil, can in the very near future be doubled and even tripled



here.  The Japanese are building tankers that will carry



almost a quarter of a billion tons of oil.  And yet as grave



a problem as one of these tankers accidentally breaking up



in the New York Harbor represents, the day-to-day pollution



which takes place in this area year after year makes that



possible threat pale into insignificance.



           How can we clean up a river that has been



polluted over 300 years in five years is beyond comprehension,



           I respectfully suggest that the following steps



be initiated or more completely implemented if already on the




drafting board.



           1.  Identify and publicize industries and cities




responsible for pollution violations.

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                     J. P. O'Donnell



           I know this is a touchy subject.  I know from



talking to other people on the law enforcement end, that



there is very little publicity given to court cases against



industrial polluters, and the fines are laughable.



           2.  Develop industry-wide pollution committees



in each industry and/or geographical area to set forth



industry and area plans for Joint action in conjunction with



our various governmental agencies.



           3.  Schedule and meet imminent dates for pollution



abatement and termination with emphasis not on the euphemism



of "realism" but on the reality of emergency, for that is



what we are facing in terms of pollution.  After seventy
                                       /•


years of laws -- seventy, that is, not seven, but seventy —



"realism" means only gradualism and gradualism means con-



venience.  We cannot attack our present pollution problem



conveniently.



           4.  Grant tax abatement and credit to industries



cooperating with pollution laws and objectives and stiffer



fines for those who are not.



           5.  Set up a special unit in the Attorney



General's Office of the United States for enforcement and



prosecution.



           Pollution enforcement will never be as dramatic



and appealing an enforcement as the Mafia is, but it certainly

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                     J. F. O'Donnell



is important.



           6.  End the perennial war of paper promises and



paper stipulations between private polluters and the govern-



ment which has resulted in so much deadly delay in this area




since 18P/9-



           7.  End the "pollution play-off" of one agency or



subdivision against another, which is more a prospect today



than a reality, by synchronizing from top to bottom the whole



panoply of pollution fighters, so that we achieve the maximum



impact of our various efforts and plans.  I know there are



some educational steps being taken this week along some of



those lines, to bring home to certain people in certain



governmental agencies the importance of law enforcement in




this area.



           8.  Establish a government and industry team to



study the Rhine River Valley Program which is an exemplar



of what government and business leadership and initiative can




accomplish.



           In short, let us reward industry and municipal



leadership in the war on pollution and rap the laggards with



stiffer and stiffer penalties.



           Even if the Governor's projection is true in 1972,



we are still five years away from there, and in that interim



we can make our pollution program a serious program or a

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                      J. F. O'Donnell



laughable one.



           Let us help educate business and the public to



the fact that there is no long-range profit in pollution



for anyone.  Delay is deadly.



           Let us remind them that if government has to do



it alone, industry will pay two or three times in time,



trouble and in that all-important profit picture some still



think cannot now justify action against pollution.



           I believe the smart industries know better.  They



know that a timely effort will save them years of turmoil



and embarrassment.



           American Cyanamid, for example, is doing a lot of



research.  There are some can and paper companies that



actually have in their present and specs 'of expansion,



pollution control equipment.



           We in government must together with those far-



seeing examples in industry provide the leadership now, to cut



through the smog of misunderstanding and laxity, to get us



all moving together toward that great day when clean water —



pure water — will be a reality, and not just a glib slogan.



           Thank you very much.



           MR. STEIN:  Thank you, Mr. O'Donnell.



           Are there any comments or questions?



           MR. METZLER:  Mr. O'Donnell, I am Dwight Metzler

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                     J. F. O'Donnell



from New York.



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Yes.



           MR. METZLER:  First, I hope you will convey to



Mr. O'Connor my personal delight at the forthright position



that he has taken, of course, on this, and the aggressiveness



which he urges.



           There are two or three bits of information that,



if you will permit me at this time, I would like you to



carry back to him, because I think they are important in



this situation.



           There isn't any doubt but what the northeastern



part of the United States particularly, and New York speci-



fically, have been doing this slapping on the wrist, having



paper promises,  and so forth, but that ballgame changed



really, I think, in 1Q65, when the New York voters put up a



big bond issue to help subsidize the needed treatment works.



           The two major changes really that have occurred



are that people are determined to clean up, and that these.



grants are now available.



           New York, as you know, is participating in $39



million in Newtown Creek, and we are talking about $110



million up on North River, and with this kind of assistance,



I think this provides some tools for the city governing body



here which you have never had before, and which will, I

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                     J.  F. O'Donnell



think, help us get  the job done.




           Yesterday we  heard a presentation by Commissioner



Hult which gave us  an outline of the city's program with time



schedules.  This is a result of pressure we have been putting



on to get a realistic schedule that can be phased into a big



construction program and get it done.



           We have  been working on this for about eight



months, so it wasn't something arrived at hurriedly, and from



the standpoint of the conference, I think it was probably the



highlight of yesterday.



           If New York City is moving with this speed, with



this kind of leadership, we believe that they are going to



get the job done.



           Now, you referred to the need for law enforcement.



We hope we never have to come to this situation with New York



City, but as far as New  York State is concerned, a depart-



ment has been set up in  the Office of the Attorney General



to enforce pollution, and we have those cases referred to



them, and they are moving very aggressively on about twelve



thus far, and twelve out of more than 300 major polluters



with whom we are working is not a bad percentage.  Most of



them are moving along, and thus far, on a schedule which



looks like a realistic one and which looks like we are going



to have the majr>r part of this job done by the end of 1972.

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                     J. F.  O'Donnell



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Let's hope so.



           MR. METZLER:  We appreciate the kind of leadership



that Prank O'Connor can give this, and we  are delighted for



this bipartisan approach so far as the city is concerned.



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Thank you.



           MR. STEIN:  Any further comments or questions?



           DR. KANDLE:  Yes.  I would like to make a comment



about one part of Mr. O'Connor's report.  On Page 2 he makes



the allegation:"Parts of Raritan Bay are in the words of one of



today's panel - a biological desert."



           I don't know who said that.  I  didn't hear it,  and



President O'Connor apparently doesn't take responsibility.



           I presume, however, that if he  were to take



responsibility, it would have reference to the part of the



Raritan Bay which is part of New York State, because I can



assure you it is absolutely not so with regard to the New




Jersey parts of the Raritan Bay.



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Thank you very much.



           DR. KANDLE:  This is a dynamic area, and I take



considerable exception to this sort of thing, which I think



is an irresponsible, glib slogan, to quote President O'Connor.



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Well, I think you answered your




own question.

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                      J. P. O'Donnell




           I don't know the gentleman's name.  I think you




answered your own question by saying that it is an area that




involves New York State.




           DR. KANDLE:  It refers to the tail end of Staten




Island, and as an old resident of Staten Island, I even take




exception to that.




           MR. O'DONNELL:  I should have known better.  You



probably live in Jersey City.  (Laughter)



           DR. KANDLE:  Now you're in deep water.  (Laughter)




           MR, O'DONNELL:  Well, I will try to get beyond




that, but I would think, speaking for myself or for Mr.



O'Connor, that we didn't mean to insult the State of New




Jersey or New York.



           MR. STEIN:  Are there any further questions?




           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  I would like to thank Mr. O'Donnell




for making Mr. O'Connor's statement.



           When we get perceptive, meaningful and sophisticated




statements from the political leaders, such as we have gotten




from Mr. O'Connor, the Governor, Senator Kennedy and Senator




Javits -- once we have this Kind of knowledge and awareness —




we know that we are going to have clean waters and pollution




control started.



           This was the key that one of the speakers

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                      J. F. O'Donnell



indicated when he was here yesterday.  The  gentleman from



Rensselaer said  that after coming to all these meetings with



officials like us, he finally recognized that they were the



people, and that the local municipal official was the one



who was going to have to make the decision.




           I have always had a feeling about this, and I have



watched this a long time.  In our society,  the key political



power either rests with the Federal Government, the States,



counties, or cities.  Uhtil the oeople who are politically



responsible in those areas make up their minds that they are



going to have pollution control and clean waters, you don't



have it, no matter how fine the planners are, and how fine



the technicians  are.



           We can keep this alive and push  it.  But I think



that on all levels — on the Federal level  Senator Kennedy




and Senator Javits, on the State level the  Governor, and on



the city level the President of the City Council — when we



see all those people making such a sophisticated analysis of



the problem to have this going down from Albany to New York



on both sides of the river, to me, this is  an indication that



we are on our way to pollution control.



           I want to thank you and President O'Connor for




his message.



           MR. O'DONNELL:  Thank you.

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           MR. STEIN:  Are there any  further questions or


comments?


           (No response.)


           MR. STEIN:  Are there any  further people?


           MR. METZLER:  I have no record of anyone else.


           MR. STEIN:  If we recess now and we do our work


diligently, I think, we may be able to have an announcement


by 11:30, or not later than 12:00.


           If we run into problems, we will send word out.


           The conference will recess to have an executive


session.  We will meet here again at  11:30.  We stand in


recess.


           (Whereupon, at 10:05 a.m., a recess was taken


until 11:30 a.m. )


           MR. STEIN:  May we reconvene?


           The conference in the matter of pollution of the


interstate waters of the Hudson River and its tributaries


involving the Department of the Interior, the States of New

                                                          s
York and New Jersey, and the Interstate Sanitation Commission,


met on September 2O and 21, 1967, with the conferees unani-


mously agreeing upon the following conclusions and recommenda-


tions .


           I am happy to report that we have maintained our


record of unanimity.  Considering the diverse interests of

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New York, New Jersey, the Interstate Commission and the
Federal Government, I think there is something to be said for
this.
           Here are the conclusions and recommendations:
           1.  Pollution of the interstate waters of the
Hudson River and its tributaries is occurring due to the
discharge of inadequately treated municipal and industrial
wastes.
           2.  Considerable progress has been made toward
abating this pollution problem and the programs under way,
when carried to their logical conclusion, will abate and
control this pollution.
           3.  All wastes prior to discharge into the waters
covered by the conference (a) shall be treated to provide a
minimum of 80 percent reduction of biochemical oxygen demand
at all times.  It  is recognized that this will require a
design for an average removal of 90 percent of biochemical
oxygen demand.  Or  (b) shall be treated, as approved by the
State Water  Pollution Control Agency, to the degree necessary
to meet the  water  quality standards approved by  the Secretary
of the Interior under the Water Quality Act of 1965.
           4.  All the waters covered by the conference shall
receive  effective  disinfection of  the effluents  as  required
to  protect water uses.

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           5.  The conferees accept the schedule that all
remedial facilities be placed in operation by 1972.
           6.  The State and interstate conferees agree that
recent actions in Congress make it appear that the fiscal
year 1968 appropriations will be less than one-half the in-
adequate authorization of $450 million.  It is destructive
of pollution control efforts to continue a system in which
actual appropriations are far below statutory authorizations.
It should be understood that congressionally authorized
amounts constitute a serious moral obligation on which States
and municipalities should be able to rely in planning their
projects for water quality improvement. Unless congressional
appropriations are reasonably consistent with the authoriza-
tions enacted by Congress, it is obviously impossible for
any municipality to receive the 55 percent of construction
cost in Federal aid  clearly provided in the Clean Waters
Restoriation Act of 1966.  If the Congress intends to fund
projects at 55 percent, then increases in the existing
authorizations, as well as increases in the appropriations,
are needed.
           7.  Periodic progress meetings shall be called by
the Chairman after consultation with the conferees.
           This concludes the findings and recommendations of
the conference.
           Do any of the conferees have anything to say at

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this point?



           (No response.)



           MR. STEIN:  If not, I would like to thank you all



for coining and staying with us.



           I think this has been a very progressive



conference and for the lower Hudson and the Raritan River



we have mapped out what I hope will be the Federal-State-



interstate program for the clean-up of these waters and the



maintenance of the water quality for the maximum number of



water uses.  We have time schedules for its completion in



the very early 1970's.



           I think we have set \p a realistic program, a



program where you can watch the results.  With public agen-



cies, you can always check up.



           We will be back from time to time to give you



progress reports.



           With that, we stand adjourned.



           Thank you.



           (Whereupon, at 11:35 a.m., the conference was



adjourned.)

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           (The following was submitted after the close



of the record:)








STATEMENT TO BE MADE AT THE HUDSON RIVER ENFORCEMENT CONFERENCE,



        RECONVENING SEPT. 20-21, 196? - NEW YORK, N. Y.



       New York Harbor Coliform Density Pollution Study



                     New York University



               Alan H. Molof and Erick R. Gidlund








           Over the past few decades it has been observed --



but never confirmed — that coliform levels in the New York



Harbor waters have increased. Concern by the Department of



Public Works, City of New York, over -£he validity of these



observations,  as well as an attempt to explain this disturbing



phenomena, resulted in a study, only recently completed, by



the Water Resources Group, Department of Civil Engineering,



at New York University.  In an. effort to disseminate this



knowledge to others in the estuarine pollution area, the



results of this study titled "New York Harbor Coliform Density



Pollution Study" were presented jointly by New York University



and the City of New York at the recently held National Sym-



posium on Estuarine Pollution this past August in Palo Alto,




California.



           It is fortunate that the City of New York has



collected harbor coliform data over these many years inasmuch

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as these are the only long-term coliform data available for



New York waters.  Without these efforts, there would have been



no continuous record and henceforth these observations on



the coliform status of the New York Harbor waters would, by



necessity remain unknown.



           Employing data collected by the Department of



Public Works for the periods 1946-1964, studies conducted at



New York University indicate that the observed coliform rise



is real, meaningful and significant.  In addition, laboratory



observations indicate that die-away rates for coliform



bacteria in New York Harbor have remained essentially un-



changed.  These studies included a review of the interrelated



physical, chemical and biological factors which might affect



coliform bacteria in general as well as specifically related



to New York Harbor waters.  No single factor or cause can



be implicated with any assurance as the direct cause of




coliform increase.



           Although it was found that all of the physical,



chemical and biological factors will show some influence on



coliform growth, the primary reason for the rise appears



to originate outside the harbor waters per se.  In general



it appears that areas near sewage discharge points show the



highest coliform densities.  The coliform increases might



be attributed to changes in coliform removal efficiency



due to modifications in treatment plant processes and/or

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modifications in the sewer system discharging to the treat-




ment plants.




            Although secondary reasons for a coliform rise




might be attributed to the harbor waters proper, there is




an obvious lack of basic information regarding the ecology




of the harbor.  In general, this question cannot be resolved




until more definite information regarding ecological factors




can be determined.






                         * if -it






            (The following was submitted by Mr. Metzler for




inclusion in the record.)






            The City of Rensselaer, in conjunction with the




Town of East Greenbush, have completed a Comprehensive




Sewerage Study.  This Study provides several alternate pro-




jects for the local abatement of pollution of the Hudson




River.




            One of the alternates provides for the treatment




of all wastes from the City of Rensselaer and the majority




of the Town of East Greenbush by a single joint waste water




treatment facility located in the City of Rensselaer.




            Another alternate provides for the collection of




all wastes at a common point in the City of Rensselaer and




the pumping of these wastes across the Hudson River to the

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proposed multi-municipal waste water treatment facility in

the City of Albany.

            All projects indicate that it would be advan-

tageous to the City of Rensselaer and the Town of East

Greenbush if industrial wastes were treated jointly with

the domestic wastes.

            It is the intent of the City of Rensselaer, after

evaluation of the Study, in cooperation with its industries,

to select the project which would be most advantageous to

the participants and to progress the construction as rapidly

as possible.

                       /s/  John H. Warden
                            Mayor
                            Rensselaer, N. Y.


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             (The following telegram was submitted for

inclusion in the record.)


Honorable Stewart  Udall
Care  Paul Resnick
Care  Conference  on Hudson River
Statler Hilton Hotel,  NYK

Call  to your attention shocking  reversal  of  H.R.Cc  in  endors-

ing defacement of  Hudson River by allowing refuse dump on

Yonkers shoreline.  This action  by H.R.V.C.  violates prin-

ciples and  goals  of your Department.   Suggest you review

overwhelming testimony in  opposition to project, as presented

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at H.R.V.C. public hearing of September 7, 1967.  Urge you

take immediate action to restore and protect the Hudson

Valley at Yonkers.

                        Respectfully yours

                        Edwin S. Shapiro
                        Alfred F. McAvoy
                        Stewart M. Ogilvy
                        Albert Levitt
                        Paul Skokan
                        Sara Dustin


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            (The following chart was presented by Mr.

DeFalco for inclusion in the record.)

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                 Additional Data on Status of Abatement  Programs  of  Federal  Installations
                                 Discharging into  the Lower Hudson River
Installation
Agency
Pollution Abatement Status
Hudson River Reserve Fleet

Naval Shipyard, Brooklyn


Medical Supply Agency

Watervliet Arsenal

Throgs Neck Light Station

V.A. Hospital, Castle Point

V.A. Hospital, Montrose

Bayonne Supply Depot
Maritime Adra.

Navy


GSA

Army

Coast Guard

V.A.

V.A.

Army
Quarantine Station
 Rosebank, S.I.
GSA
Installing a waste water treatment device aboard tugs
 and headquarters barge servicing the installation.
Eastern portion tied into New York system (to Newtown
 Creek Plant),  Western portion tentatively scheduled
 to tie into Red Hook Plant of New York City system,
Scheduled to complete interceptor to New York City.
 No firm date available.
Scheduled to complete connection for sanitary wastes
 to city by August, 1968.
Decision whether to automate will be made in the near
 future.  No firm date available.
Expect construction to commence during 1968 Fiscal
 Year.
Expect construction to commence during 1968 Fiscal
 Year.
If negotiations with city are not more favorable, the
 depot will build its own secondary treatment plant.
 Final design should be completed during 1968 Fiscal
 Year.  Construction should commence in 1969 Fiscal
 Year.
Firm dates for connections cannot be obtained from
 New York City.  City is now considering revision of
 present plans because of recent severe storm.
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            (The  following statement was submitted for
inclusion in the record.)

            STATEMENT OF THE HONORABLE JOHN G. DOW, M.C.
               to the Water Pollution Conference
               New York City, September 20 & 21

Mr. Chairman:
            I appreciate the opportunity to submit a statement
to this Conference.  It is my feeling that more and more
Members of  Congress are interested in the general problems of
pollution and its control which are being discussed here.
            It is my earnest desire that they become concerned
in expanding the water and sewer grant programs which mean
so much to  the control of water pollution.  At the Conference
in 1965 I stated that the Federal Government wasn't doing
enough in this area.  I have introduced two bills in this
Session which are designed to help alleviate the problems.
            The public is more aware each day of the dangers of
pollution created by governmental inaction in our urban society,
When the water can't be used for drinking or swimming, and
even boat traffic is slowed because of debris, then all of us
must address ourselves to the legacy of nonconcern which has
been handed us.
            The problem, as I see it, begins with treatment of

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the raw sewage generated by our society.  Proper treatment is



the key because, unless the waste is treated, no solution



will be found.  I would like to take a little time to explain



my two bills, H. R. 3645 and H. R. 3584, which will help in



this goal.



           •Hie first bill, H. R. 3645, will increase the



authorization for the 1968 fiscal year and subsequent years



to $500,000,000 annually. I arrived at this figure after



being informed by the Department of Housing and Urban Develop-



ment that the dollars applied for under the law providing for



lateral sewers and basic water systems totaled 26 times the



number of dollars appropriated for fiscal year 1967.



           There is no magic in the figure of $500 million



annually.  It seems to me a more generous figure than $200



million yet not extravagant in these times when the Nation is



tightening its belt.  It recognizes that some of the applica-



tions for grants are not as needful as others and that some



might properly be turned back.  Below I will give you relevant




figures:





         Annual authorization, 196? and 1968     $200,000,000



         Appropriation, 196?                      100,000,000



         Amount allotted HUD, 196?                 90,000,000



         Budget, 1968                             165,000,000

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            Since the demand is running at the rate of 26 times the



'67 appropriation, that would be 13 times the authorization in the



legislation.  It is not difficult to see from the above figures that



the need flies in the face of the allotted monies.  There is no



justification for such a meager sum when there has been a demonstrated



need in the expansion of water and sewer facilities.



            A number of communities in my District are suffering



painfully in their anti-pollution programs as a result of the small



amount of money available in Federal grants for lateral sewers.  This



is also true of grants for basic water facilities which are allotted



under the same housing legislation.



            In addition, there is a possible legal device which I



have introduced as an amendment to section 702 of HUD Act of 1965,



It will relieve the present situation somewhat with what is known as



"prepayment."  It is the clause offered in my bill, H. R. 3584.  It



will authorize communities, with such State help as they can secure,



to prepay the costs for needed facilities without losing eligibility



for securing a later grant from the Secretary of HUD.



            At the present time, a community may be able to



commence part of a lateral sewer or water system with  local or State



funds.  However, no Federal grant-in-aid will be  forth-



coming if a sewer facilities system is commenced before

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approval from the Federal Government for Federal funding.



H. R. 3584 would make possible local or State initiative in



speeding construction of the lateral sewer or water system in



those communities where critical conditions are faced.



            It would be necessary, of course, and this is



provided in my bill, for the Secretary to approve the project,



in advance of the construction, as meeting the requirements of



the law in all other respacts.  At that time, the project, pre-



paid by the community and/or the State, would be eligible to



receive a Federal grant at a later date.  However, my bill



further states that this eligibility shall not "be construed



to constitute a commitment or obligation of the United States."



            The bill would apply to any construction initiated



after December 31, 1966.  It would, then, permit a community



to start construction without jeopardizing chances of obtaining



Federal assistance.  Under present legislation there is a very



definite delay built into the system since no construction can



get under way before final approval.



            The most effective way to clean up our Nation's



rivers and streams is to provide adequate treatment for sewage.



At the 1965  conference, I learned that New York City itself



dumped a minimum of 500 million gallons of raw sewage into New



York Harbor every day.  175 million gallons were said to be



dumped by the west side of Manhattan into the Hudson.




            Congress has begun to realize the importance of

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sewage treatment.  For its own military installations the



House recently passed a $35 million construction bill for



sewage and water treatment.  The bill is now in the Senate,



which may cut it back somewhat.



            This Conference is considering a progress report



and a plan for action.  I hope that my contribution has not



been too one-sided.  I feel very strongly that the Federal



Government has not been doing its fair share in this area and



certainly the present budgetary strain makes increased effort



difficult.  But we cannot wait around for better times and I



am sure all those present at the Conference are in agreement.



            If we now recognize the problems then we must join



together to overcome them, for in this instance it takes the



full cooperation of all levels of government, local, State



and Federal.  I hope that as a Congressman I can do something



which will provide others the tools with which to work.
                         # # *
             (The  following was  submitted for  inclusion  in the




record.)



                       IRVING YOUNGER




                      ATTORNEY AT LAW




               40 WASHINGTON SQUARE SOUTH




                   NEW YORK CITY 10003

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                  Telephone 228-3080
                                September 21, 1967
Mr. Murray Stein
Assistant Commissioner-Enforcement
Federal Water Pollution Control
     Administration
633 Indiana Avenue
Washington, D. C. 20242

Dear Mr. Stein:
            Pursuant to a suggestion made by your Mr. Resnick
today over the telephone, I enclose a statement on behalf of
the Hudson River Fishermen's Association, which I ask to be
included in the record of the hearings held yesterday and today
at the Statler-Hilton Hotel in New York City.
                                 Very truly yours,
                        /s/      Irving Younger
lY/cs
enc.

                          # * *

            STATEMENT OF IRVING YOUNGER, ESQ., ON BEHALF
            OF THE HUDSON RIVER FISHERMEN'S ASSOCIATION

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            Mr. Chairman, members of the Conference:  My name is



Irving Younger.  I am an attorney and a director of the Hudson



Kiver Fishermen's Association (Post Office Box 725, Ossining,



New York).  The Association, a non-profit corporation organized



in 1966 by a dozen fishermen and marine scientists in New York,



now has more than 250 members.  Its purposes, to quote from



the charter of incorporation, are "to encourage rational use



of the aquatic resources of the river and its tributaries .  .  .



gather, study and disseminate information about the ecology



of the Hudson watershed, particularly in regard to the life



histories and needs of fishes; endeavor to protect the spawning



and nursery grounds of desirable sports and commercial fishes;



and assist in efforts to abate pollution."



            Two years ago, the Secretary of Health, Education,



and Welfare called a conference on pollution  in the Hudson and



its tributaries.  Many statements were made.  Now  it  is the



turn of the Secretary of the  Interior to call this Conference.



Doubtless many more statements will be made.  Gentlemen,



haven't we had enough statements?  Isn't it time for  action?



Let me describe our experience with pollution enforcement




authorities.



            A great deal of the pollution of  the Hudson River



and of New York harbor and adjacent waterways has  been illegal



under a Federal statute  since June 29, 1888.  Here is the law,



the New York Harbor Act  of 1888, as amended  (Title 33, United

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 States  Code,  section 44l):

             "The placing, discharging, or depositing, by
        any process  or  in any manner, of refuse, dirt,
        ashes, cinders, mud, sand, dredgings, sludge, acid,

        or any other matters of any kind,, other than that
        flowing from streets, sewers, and passing  therefrom
        in a liquid  state, in the waters of any harbor subject
        to sections  44l-^51b of this title (which  includes
        New York harbor), within the limits which  shall be
        prescribed by the Supervisor of the Harbor, is hereby
        strictly forbidden, and every such act is  made a mis-
        demeanor, and every person engaged in or who shall
        aid, abet, authorize or instigate a violation of

        this section, shall, upon conviction, be punishable
        by fine or imprisonment, or both, such fine to be
        not less than $250 nor more than $2,500, and the
        imprisonment to be not less than 30 days nor more than
        1 year, either or both united, as the judge before
        whom conviction is obtained shall decide,  one half
        of said fine to be paid to the person or persons
        giving information which shall lead to conviction of

        this misdemeanor."
            This is a strong law.  Try to get it  enforced!  If
you did enforce it, in a month you would clean up much of the

mess in the Hudson and the harbor.

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            Last winter, the Hudson River Fishermen's Associ-
ation started trying to get this law enforced against polluters
who were releasing acids and oils into the river.  After much
phoning around, a director of the Association tracked down
the Federal Water Pollution Control office in charge of the
Hudson and Lake Charaplain.  It happens to be in Metuchen, New
Jersey, not exactly the best site from which to police the
Hudson or Lake Champlain.  The official who answered the phone
said his office would be interested in having records of
pollution violations.  "Will you take action?"  he was asked.
He said, no, but he wanted the records for the office files so
that when the next conference on the Hudson was called, he
could take them out and show where there were problems.  This
is bureaucratic lunacy.  His reason for not taking action was
that the Federal Water Pollution Control office had not yet
been assigned authority.  What is the purpose of the authority
if not to act, if not to enforce Federal law?
            Despite this, the Association persevered.  The same
director called the Harbor Supervision Branch of the Corps of
Engineers' office in Jersey City.  The Corps investigators
said they would act.  One of the offenders reported was the
New York Central Diesel and Electric Shops at Harmon.  For
years, the Central has discharged oil wastes directly into the
Hudson from a mammoth pipe that thrusts its backside into the
water near the mouth of the Croton River.  Oil discharges in

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this area have been so heavy that ducks have drowned and fish
are inedible.  Two years ago, at the time of the first
conference on Hudson pollution, there was an oil slick three
or four miles long and a half to a mile wide.
            After reporting the Central to the Corps, the
Association heard nothing.  Finally, we inquired and were told
that the Central had been  "cited" and given until mid-March
to stop.  Early in May, a director of the Association checked
the area, and there was an oil slick all over the area.  Another
complaint was made.  Again we heard nothing.  This summer, a
director of the Association visited Corps headquarters in
Manhattan.  When he asked why the Federal law was not enforced
and polluters punished for violations, a Corps official said,
"We're dealing with top officials in industry, and you just
don't go around treating these people like that."
            The Hudson River Fishermen's Association, however,
is persevering.  It has had pre-paid postcards printed noting
the 1888 law.  These cards are being distributed free to the
public.  There are blanks where a fisherman can note the who,
what, when, and where of suspected violations, and on the card
is the shameful notice, "The government agencies have not done
their job protecting the river -- NOW IT'S UP TO YOU."
            We hope that this Conference will take steps towards
assuring effective enforcement of what Congress mandated 79
years ago.
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                      REPORT OF PHOTO: CALL
In   X         Out                          File    35.18
Date 2/1/67    Time	                 Routing  Hohman
Person Contacted Robert Boyle               Phone No. (914) CR1-8242
        Location  Finney Farm, Croton-On-Hudson, N.Y.  10520
Subject of Call   Oil pollution in Hudson River at Croton Point
Summary of Call   Mr. Boyle is associated with "Sports Illustrated" and
a member of the Hudson River Fisherman's Association.  He was referred to
us by Murray Stein.

The N.Y. Central R.R. diesel yards at Harmon discharge oil to the river
through an outfall on the south side of Croton Point.  (Listed on p. 122
of the S.H.D. Report #9 on the Lower Hudson River)

Previous complaints to ISC and NYSHD have produced no results.
—Phoned Major Ulrich - He will check it out.
—Ulrich phoned back - C/E has been involved since July 1966.
   N.Y. Central is fabricating units to correct problem.  Will follow
   through to correction.
---Phoned Boyle to advise of C/E action.
Action Required  N'one	
                                                 K. H. Walker
                                                   Signature

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             (The  following was submitted for inclusion in the

record. )





NANSL                                 24 October 1967




Mr. Dwight F. Metzler


Deputy Commissioner, Department of Health


State of New York


Albany, New York 12208



Dear Mr. Metzler:


            This letter is in reply to your recent inquiry


requesting supplemental information on certain District

                                    /•
activities for inclusion in the record of the conference on


pollution of the Hudson River and its tributaries, held in New


York City on 20 September 1967.


            Inclosure 1 contains data on selection and utiliza-


tion of Atlantic Ocean disposal areas, and the issuance of


dumping permits.  Statistics on investigations conducted in the


conference area (Hudson River from Troy, N. Y. through the upper


bay of New York Harbor) and other than the conference area are


listed in Inclosure 2.


                                 Sincerely yours,


2 Incl                           R. T. BATSON


  as                             Colonel, Corps of Engineers


                                 District Engineer

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 Copy furnished, w/incl:


    OCS,  ENGCW-ON


    NAD,  NADCO


    Mr. Murray  Stein




                          * * *




            Supplemental Statement by Colonel R. T. Batson


            for Inclusion in the Record of the Conference


            on Pollution of the Hudson River and its


            Tributaries in New York City on 20 September 196?
            Disposal areas for the disposal of waste materials


in navigable waters in the New York area are established by the


District Engineer in his dual capacity as Supervisor of New


York Harbor, pursuant to the provisions of Section 1 of the Act


of Congress approved 29 June 1888 (33 U.S.C. 441).


            There are three major localities in which disposal

                              «
areas have been established:  the Atlantic Ocean off the


entrance to New York Harbor, Long Island Sound and Hudson River.


The areas which have been established in Atlantic Ocean provide


for the disposal of mud, cellar dirt, stone, wrecks, sewer sludge,


waste acid, chemicals and radio-active wastes.  The areas in


Long Island Sound provide for the disposal of dredged materials,

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although occasionally they are utilized for the disposal of



clean cellar dirt and wrecks.  The areas in Hudson River have



been established between Peekskill and Kingston, New York, and



have been used exclusively for the deposit of material



dredged from the channels and harbors along Hudson River,



north of Hastings-on-Hudson, New York.



            The principal criteria in the selection of the



disposal areas is to assure that their use would not be detri-



mental to navigation.  The sewage sludge dumping ground in



Atlantic Ocean which has been in use since 1924, was also



selected so as to avoid offensive discoloration and solids



washing up on the beaches.  The waste acid dump which has been



in use since 1948 was selected to avoid possible damage and



discoloration on the beaches.  The offshore chemical disposal



area was selected to avoid possible adverse effect on food fish



and public health.



            Before the sewage sludge site was designated, its



selection was discussed with State Conservation and Health



Departments.  The waste acid disposal area was established only



after it was discussed in detail with the Interstate Sanitation



Commission, the New Jersey State Department of Conservation,



Health, and Pish and Game, the New York State Departments of



Conservation and Health, the Commercial and Sport Fishing Bureau



of the Pish and Wildlife Service, U. S. Department of the

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 Interior,  the  Food  and Drugs Administration of  the U. S.



 Department of  Health and  the Atlantic  States Marine Fisheries



 Commission.



            With  the recent closure by health authorities



 of upland  disposal  sites  to toxic chemicals and metallic wastes



 because of possible infiltration into  potable water supplies,



 industry has been seeking approval to  dispose of these



 wastes into the ocean.  Each request for such approval is



 carefully  reviewed  and before making a final decision the views



 of State and Federal agencies and departments are secured,



 including  the  New Jersey  and New York  State Departments of



 Conservation and  Health Service, the U. S. Fish and Wildlife



 Service and the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration.



            If it is determined that the wastes are innocuous,



 approval is granted to dispose of them about 16 miles offshore



 in the Waste Acid Dump and if they are toxic, approval is



 granted for their disposal about 120 miles southeast of New York



 in the Chemical Dumping Ground.



            To assure that the waste materials  are disposed of



 in the approved dumping grounds, permits are issued for the



 vessels transporting the materials to move over the waters of



 New York Harbor and its adjacent and tributary  waters to the



designated place  of disposal.  Inspections are  made by use of



patrol boats patrolling the dumping areas being used regularly




and by inspectors riding the vessels transporting the materials

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on individual trips or occasions.  In addition, the vessel



operators are required to return the permits with the certi-



fication of the master of the vessel as to the action taken in



dumping the material.
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          LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF NEW YORK STATE
                      131 East 23rd Street, New York, N. Y. 10010
                                          212 ORegon 7-5050
Mrs. George J. Ames, President
                                      September 28, iq6?
Mr. Murray Stein
Assistant Commissioner - Enforcement
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration
Washington, D. C.

Dear Mr. Stein:
            Mr. Resnick indicated at the close of the Hudson
River enforcement conference last week that I might submit a
written statement on behalf of the League of Women Voters of
New York State for inclusion in the conference record.  As I
listened to the conference statements and realized that no
citizens' group spoke, I recognized that it might indeed be
useful to the conferees to hear the views of one citizens group.
In the two year period since the original conference, local
Leagues in New York State have continued their work in the
field of water resources and the enclosed statement is based on
their studies.
                             Sincerely,
                /s/          Mrs. Edward M. Davis
                             Chairman, Water Resources

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 copy  to:



   Mr.  Paul Resnick




   Federal Water  Pollution Control Administration



   Metuchen, New  Jersey








                          * * *








 League  of Women Voters of New York State




 131 East 23rd Street, New York, N. Y. 10010




                              September 28, 1967








         STATEMENT  ON HUDSON RIVER POLLUTION CONFERENCE








            At the  original conference dealing with pollution




 of the  Hudson (Sept. 1965), spokesmen for 10 citizens groups




 presented their organization's views.  It is significant that



no citizens group was heard from at the recent conference held




 to review progress  in pollution abatement.  Perhaps this indi-




 cates that most groups feel real progress is being made; perhaps




 it only indicates that the immediate crisis, the drought of the




past 5  years, is at an end.




            In the  interim between the conferences of 1965 and



 196? the League of Women Voters of New York State has continued



 its interest in and study of water resources including those




of the  Hudson River Basin,  ^ince the passage of New York's

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"Pure Waters" bond issue in 19^5, local Leagues in New York



have urged their own communities to utilize the funds provided



by this bond issue and to begin needed pollution abatement



programs.



            In addition, local Leagues in the Hudson-Mohawk



basin undertook last year a study of that basin's water resources.



A questionnaire sent out last spring, as part of this study,



elicited several responses that may be pertinent to this



conference:



            1)  In almost all communities, Leagues indicate



      that there are new plans for use of the waterfront



      for recreation or residences.  This indicates a very



      real faith that we will indeed be able to clean up



      our waters.



            2)  At the same time  many Leagues expressed



      concern that we are not meeting the time schedule as



      set up by New York State, arid several comments indi-



      cate that the 1972 deadline for pollution abatement



      is unrealistic, considering progress made to date.



            3)  Leagues in the Hudson Basin continue to



      find a general lack of cooperation and coordination



      between various levels of government.  While there



      are some notable exceptions, cooperation, especially



      horizontal cooperation between local units of govern-



      ment, is less than might be hoped for.

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            4)  Most  Leagues  indicate that public interest



      in the  "Pure Waters"  programs has abated considerably



      in the past two years.   Often local Leagues find they



      are nearly alone  in their communities in continuing



      their surveillance  of the progress in pollution



      abatement.



            In essence, what  local Leagues in the Hudson Basin



have indicated  is that  there  has been progress made toward



pollution abatement but that  much remains to be done and that



citizens' groups such as  the  League must continue their



interest in this area in  order to accomplish the goals that have



been established.
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