ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
               ENVIRONMENTAL FINANCIAL ADVISORY BOARD

                           FULL BOARD MEETING
                    MARCH 4-5, 2003 - WASHINGTON, D.C.

                                  MINUTES

The Environmental Financial Advisory Board (EFAB) of the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) held its winter meeting at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.,
March 4-5, 2003. EFAB is a federal advisory committee of EPA, chartered to provide
advice and recommendations to the Administrator and program offices on ways of
lowering the costs of and increasing investment in environmental facilities and services.
EFAB's Chair is Lyons Gray of Winston Salem, North Carolina. The Designated
Federal Official (DFO) and Executive Director is Stan Meiburg, Deputy Regional
Administrator in EPA's Region IV.

EFAB holds two full board meetings a year with its winter meeting in Washington,  D.C
and summer meeting in San Francisco, CA.  The Board has a website as part of the
Environmental Finance Program, which can be found at www.epa.gov/efinpage.

Tuesday. March 4. 2003

Introductions and Overview

DFO Stan Meiburg gaveled the meeting to order promptly at 8:30 am and introduced
EFAB's new Chairman, Lyons Gray, to the board  and the public. The  returning Board
members, new board members, staff and others attending the meeting, in turn,
introduced themselves. Then, Lyons and Stan provided an overview of the meeting via
a detailed review of the agenda.

The minutes of the August 19-20, 2002 EFAB meeting in  San Francisco were
presented to the Board and  entered into the record.  The  DFO also reminded the Board
and the public that the main purpose of the winter meeting is to listen to informed
opinions and new ideas from authoritative speakers and to review the  status of all
Board projects, making adjustments in content and scheduling, as may be required and
approved by the full Board.

State Environmental Funding

Dona DeLeon,  Deputy Associate Administrator in EPA's Office of Congressional and
Intergovernmental Relations spoke to the Board about the tough funding issues states
are facing and how the Agency is dealing with those  issues. She cited as specific
examples of Agency actions in this area the intense discussions with the States on how
to operate smarter and in a more cost-effective way and the development of
performance  partnership grants.

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NACEPT Review on Superfund

Next, Barry Breen, EPA's Deputy Assistant Administrator in the Office of Solid Waste
and Emergency Response addressed the Board on the work of the Superfund
Subcommittee of the National Advisory Council for Environmental Policy and
Technology (NACEPT). This subcommittee is charged with examining the role of the
national priorities list; the handling megasites (sites involving cleanups costing more
than $50 million); and measuring program performance. This NACEPT subcommittee
is made up of a  distinguished group of experts from around the country and is chaired
by Raymond Loehr from the University of Texas at Austin. The subcommittee expects
to produce a draft by June 2003.

The Board engaged Mr. Breen in a lively discussion on such issues as the challenges
that states are facing in sharing the operations and maintenance costs at sites;
incentives to delay clean ups; and leveraging of funds. Since it is not within the scope
of the NACEPT  subcommittee  to examine the funding relevance, EFAB offered its
financing expertise with regards to this area within the limits of its charter.

In addition, Mr. Breen discussed the subject of Financial Assurance at Industrial Sites.
Specifically, the  amount of financial assurance that we need/can expect. A number of
questions arose during the discussion, e.g., are there any rules or guidelines?; how do
you track over time?; and are there other sources of funding out there? Board member
Terry Agriss suggested that EFAB pursue the issue of liability transfer. Staff was
instructed to follow-up on this issue with Ms. Agriss and report out at the meeting in
August.

Water Infrastructure Gap

Following a break, Steve Allbee, Project Officer on the Gap Analysis in EPA=s Office of
Water, addressed EFAB on the gap analysis and situation assessment of water and
wastewater infrastructure issues; the emerging water utility management paradigm; and
asset management,  next steps.  The purpose of the Gap report that was released this
past September was to reach a common, quantitative understanding of the investment
needed to address growing population and economic needs and renew our existing
infrastructure. The data in the report is comparable, at order of magnitude level, with
reports produced by the Water Infrastructure Network and the General Accounting
Office.

In a follow-up to the GAP Report, EPA convened a very successful forum in late
January that focused on approaches for efficient, effective management of water and
infrastructure assets and strategies to ensure sustainable infrastructure financing. The
Agency is also collaborating with governments and the private sector on various
activities to promote asset management and environmental management systems.

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Progress of Board Projects

The remainder of the afternoon consisted of reports to the full board by workgroup
chairs and selected EFAB members on the status of Board projects.

Historical Review of EFAB Projects: Board member John Wise conducted an in-depth
review of EFAB projects completed over the past ten years, to discern if there are any
opportunities for further work.  He presented the findings of his review to the board and
a lively discussion ensued.  Board members agreed to further study the review of EFAB
projects and continue discussions at the August meeting.

Financing Combined Heat & Power. Dr. Jim Tozzi, chair of the International/Energy
Workgroup submitted a technical review paper to the Board that compared the impacts
of supporting investment in combined  heat and power (CHP) applications with
investment tax credits versus accelerated depreciation.  The paper found that over the
life of CHP  investment there was little  difference between a ten percent tax credit and a
seven- year depreciation schedule. After discussing the paper the Board decided that it
be modified to accommodate recent events, include an expanded description of
findings and then be submitted to the Office of Air and Radiation. The Board also
decided that special emphasis be added to the paper to convey the clear understanding
that it does not endorse either the tax  credit or depreciation.

Financing Long-term Response Actions at Superfund Sites: Evan Henry, Chair of the
Brownfields/Superfund  Workgroup, noted that this project has not progressed on the
planned scheduled due to member time constraints and a number of other factors. He
stated that he is not personally able to devote adequate attention to it and questioned
whether further work was warranted given findings to date. EFAB staff agreed to review
the work completed to date, develop a draft paper summarizing findings and
recommendations based on that work, and present it to Evan and the Board for further
consideration.

Environmental Management Systems(EMS): Michael Deane, Chair of the Cost-
Effective Environmental Management Workgroup submitted the final  draft of this letter
to the full Board.  The workgroup explored EMS as a tool that can serve to improve
environmental performance by realizing financial savings through improved efficiency,
among other things. A number of findings and recommendations to the Agency were
developed based on results from a workshop held  by EFAB and  the Office of Water.
Following some discussion, the Board agreed that the letter is ready to be submitted to
the Agency.

Governmental Accounting Standards Board (GASB 34) Statement No 34: Michael
Deane, Chair of the Cost-Effective Environmental Management Workgroup submitted
the final draft of this letter to the full Board.  GASB 34 is a requirement where EPA has
an opportunity to help promote improved financial reporting by environmental utilities to

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regulatory agencies. A number of recommendations to the Agency were developed
based on results from the workshop. Following some discussion, the Board agreed that
the letter is ready to be submitted to the Agency.

Coordination of USEPA/SRF and USDA/RUS Water & Sewer Loan Assistance: The
final draft of this paper was submitted to the Board by John McCarthy on behalf of the
Public finance Workgroup.  Following considerable discussion, the Board determined
that the paper is ready to be submitted to the Agency after including  a piece on the
independence of state programs, stressing greater independence of the SRFs, and
putting added emphasis on the variation of competition/cooperation problems.  The
recommendations in this paper are very timely.

Joint Operations of the SRF Programs: An updated paper looking at this important
issue was presented to the Board by Sonia Toledo, Chair of the Public Finance
Workgroup.  Board members acknowledged in their discussions that a lot of ground still
has to be covered in developing this paper. Sonia emphasized that comments and
suggestions are welcome from members on how to approach this project.  Several
members volunteered to work on the project and Jim Smith offered to help develop an
outline for presentation at the August meeting.

Partnership and Collaboration of Non-Point Source Financing: Langdon  Marsh
presented this issue paper that looks at leveraging financing  solutions for watersheds.
He stressed that the Office of Water has been established as the client noting that he
had plans to meet with Deputy Assistant Administrator Ben Grumbles and  Diane
Regas, Director of the Office of Wetlands,  Oceans and Watersheds. Following their
review and discussion of the paper, the Board decided that this issue needs to be
scoped out and better refined and  asked that a detailed outline and/or a preliminary
report be developed for discussion at the next meeting.

Water Conservation Financing: John Wise presented to the Board a draft issue paper
on financing water conservation. This wide-ranging paper outlined everything from
reasons for water conservation, to conservation tactics, to water end-use sectors.  The
paper also discussed financing mechanisms, ownership issues, supply alternatives, and
wastewater utility impacts. All of the Board members agreed that as of right now the
scope of this project is too big.  Members agreed to define and narrow the scope and
prepare for further discussion at the August meeting.

No new projects were added.

Environmental Finance Center Network Report

Kim Farrell, newly elected  President of the Environmental Finance Center Network
briefed the Board on the Network's accomplishments in providing financial outreach
services (individual and  collaborative) to the regulated community. Examples include
source water program, land use planning, watershed management financing, to name a

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few. She described how the Network leverage their EPA grants by receiving funding
from other agencies for additional work.

Following a brief review of the next day's activities,  DFO Stan Meiburg adjourned the
meeting at 5:00 pm.

Wednesday. March 5. 2003

DFO Stan Meiburg opened the meeting at 8:00 am  introducing Linda Combs, EPA's
Chief Financial Officer. Ms. Combs welcomed the Board's new Chairman, Lyons Gray
and its three other new members: Kelly Downard, A. James Barnes and James Strock.
She briefed the board on her office's many accomplishments over the past year and
presented an overview of EPA's FY 2004 budget request with special emphasis on
areas of interest to the Board (e.g., funding for states, tribes, localities and universities;
the State Revolving Fund and Brownfields programs).  She encouraged the Board to
press on with projects that help further the Administration's and EPA's priorities.

Board Strategic Direction and Restructuring - Open Discussion

The remainder of the morning was devoted to brainstorming (1) the project areas on
which the board should focus; (2) a new structure to accomplish its work; and (3) the
role of the Board working on project requests from the Agency versus those activities
for which members have an independent interest.  Some of the ideas and suggestions
discussed included:

     assist the Agency as consumers not taxpayers
      local versus private standpoint; what should they pay for?
     focus on issues that raise political sensitivity (e.g., regulations and tax laws that
      prohibit EPA from doing its work)
     must face legislative impediments
      focus on efficiencies in environmental finance
     should not be a policy advisory board; we should work on projects that are
      Agency  priority and those that interest members individually
     find ways to efficiently leverage money;  take a look at risk; concentrate on things
      at which  members are good
      get locals to put more dollars in; look at  incentives to get them  going; how to get
      more commitment at the local level?
       EFCs should share more of what they know; need an opportunity to tell EFAB
      what they know and what is going on locally. EFCs can get the info to EFAB by
      serving more on workgroups
      with constrained resources, focus on how to get more partners in environmental
      finance (private and non-private sectors and foundations
     focus on outreach and education, they are essential
      need to  address tax issues

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      how to meet the gap through rate setting and other issues
      existing workgroup structure has run its course; keep public finance though
      look at Breen issues since he suggested it
      Regional Water Directors do not know anything about the SRFs or ways to make
      the funds more efficient
      get down to the project level of financing
      look at leveraging state government; under utilization of the SRF program and
      asset management and EMS
      can not escape water infrastructure
      when the Board gets requests from the Agency, the issue needs to be framed in
      such a way that it is not the universe

The dialogue was substantive and very helpful. The DFO and Chairman announced
that they will work with the Environmental Finance Team to take the ideas and
suggestions and put them into an outline format that can be shared and used for the
August meeting.

DFO Stan Meiburg wrapped up the meeting, asking for any final comments from
members and the public. He announced that the next full Board meeting will be held in
San Francisco, August 4-5, 2003. There being no further business to come before the
Board, he adjourned the meeting promptly at 11:00 am.

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