United States Environmental Protection Agency
          Office of the Chief Financial Officer
           Center for Environmental Finance
            Meeting Summary of the

Environmental Financial Advisory Board
                  March 16 -17, 2010


                 Omni Shoreham Hotel
                    Washington, DC
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           Environmental Financial Advisory Board (EFAB)
                           Meeting Summary

                            March 16-17 2010

                            Table of Contents
Day 1:
  Opening Remarks and Meeting Overview	3
  EPA Priorities	3
  Recognition of Outgoing Members	3
  EPA Air Priorities and Themes	4
    Discussion	5
  EPA Water Priorities and Themes	7
    Discussion	8
  Workgroup Report Out: Carbon Capture and Sequestration	9
    Discussion	11
  Adjournment	11

Day 2:

  Opening Remarks	12
  Environmental Finance Center Network Update	12
  EPA FY 2011 Budget Priorities                                         13
    Discussion	14
  Environmental Finance Center Network Update (Cont.)	15
  Carbon Capture and Sequestration Financial Assurance Report	17
  Workgroup Report Out: Water Loss Reduction	17
    Discussion	20
  Workgroup Report Out: Innovative Financing Tools	21
  Workgroup Report Out: Financial Assurance (Cost Estimation)	23
  Discussion on Workgroup Report: Carbon Capture and Sequestration	24
  Workgroup Report Out: SRF Investment Options                         24
    Discussion	26
  Public Comment	27
  Meeting Summary	27
  Adjournment	28

Appendix:

  Attendee List	29
  Agenda	32

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            Environmental Financial Advisory Board (EFAB)
                             Meeting Summary

                              March 16-17 2010

Tuesday, March 16,2010

EFAB Board Meeting (1:30 p.m.)

Opening Remarks and Meeting Overview

Stan Meiburg, EFAB Designated Federal Official (DFO) called the meeting to order at
1:42 p.m. He commented on the number of outgoing and incoming members and had the
members introduce themselves.  Chairman James Barnes commented that the meeting,
his last one, would include several new senior EPA officials and that the incoming
members have already been active  in the workgroups.  DFO Meiburg said Member
Bradley Abelow will be the next chairman of EFAB.  Members George Butcher, Don
Correll, Greg Swartz, Steve Thompson, Andrew Sawyers, Lindene Patton, Eric Draper,
and Doug Scott were not present.  Member Terry Agriss introduced  and recognized
Patricia Jones, who has been  working on  research for the  Water Loss Reduction
Workgroup.

EPA Priorities

DFO Meiburg introduced Maryann Froehlich,  Deputy Chief Financial  Officer of the
EPA. Ms. Froehlich is a long-term employee of EPA and has served in many capacities
throughout the Agency.  Ms. Froehlich thanked the members for their work and insight.
She noted that help is needed at the federal, state, and local levels to address the question
of how to pay for the implementation of environmental regulation. Particularly helpful is
how EFAB has aligned its work with EPA's priorities and worked with national program
managers, such as the assistant administrators scheduled to speak that day. Administrator
Jackson has put together a blueprint for the next few years of EPA's work. That blueprint
includes seven priorities: taking action on climate change, improving air quality, ensuring
the  safety  of chemicals,  cleaning  up communities, protecting America's  waters,
expanding the conversation on environmentalism and working for environmental justice,
and establishing strong state and tribal partnerships. EPA will be meeting with the states
to determine how the agency can assist them in maintaining their environmental work in
the present economy. As the nation's need and expectations for environmental protection
grows, EFAB's advice continues to grow in importance.

Recognition of Outgoing Members

DFO Meiburg said Deputy Administrator Robert Perciasepe would  be joining the Board
members for dinner.  He expressed his  appreciation for the members,  who serve the
public with spirit  and engagement. He gave plaques to outgoing members: Terry Agriss;

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George Butcher, who was not present; Michael Curley; Kelly Downard; Langston Marsh;
James  Tozzi; and Chair Barnes, recognizing each member's contributions individually.
Deputy Chief Financial Officer Froehlich recognized Mr. Meiberg's work as DFO since
2001 and continued high-level service in the EPA. Mr. Meiburg had asked to be relieved
from DFO duties to  devote  more time to working as acting regional administrator for
Region 4.  He said policy engagement and the speed of change in the EPA is greater than
he has seen in his 32 years with the Agency. His successor has not yet been named, but
DFO Meiburg is working to achieve a smooth transition.  He commented on the Board's
diversity of points of view combined with great regard for each other and said the new
members will have the same spirit of energy  and public service for greenhouse gases.

EPA Air Priorities and Themes

DFO Meiburg introduced Assistant  Administrator Gina McCarthy of the Office of Air
and Radiation.  She  has been working in the field of environmental protection for 25
years and has extensive experience with the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, the first
market-based cap  and trade system.

Assistant Administrator McCarthy thanked the Board for its support to her office.  She
said EPA wants to match up environmental needs with smart ways of investing money to
meet those needs in order to grow the economy and preserve the quality of life. Moving
forward, the rules should be more  than rhetoric, and she sought the Board's  help in
providing  a financial understanding.    OAR's efforts  are closely aligned  with the
Administrator's priorities.   One of those  priorities is climate  change, which is the
broadest of Assistant Administrator McCarthy's priorities and the most amenable to
smart economic investment.   Greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions represent inefficiency,
and failures in efficiency are opportunities to save money.

The Administrator is  looking  forward to  a  legislative  answer  to climate  change.
Currently,  EPA is meeting  its  legal requirements to  address greenhouse gases.  On
December 7, the Administrator issued a  finding that greenhouse gases endanger public
health  and welfare and  that mobile  sources,  which  contribute  about 30 percent of
greenhouse gas emissions, contribute significantly to the endangerment.  That  led to the
Light Duty Vehicle Rule. The joint  rule  by  DOT's NHTSA is  setting a CAFE standard,
and EPA is establishing greenhouse gas  standards for vehicles.  The standards  address
tailpipe GHG emissions as well as other  things,  like auto air conditioners, that can emit
GHGs. The rule will be finalized and issued in March.

The Clean Air Act requires  that, once a pollutant is regulated, there must be a permit
process for certain stationary sources of the pollutant.   OAR is  identifying through
rulemaking, when greenhouse gasses will  become regulated and how to phase in the
regulations to address the largest facilities first.  The permittee is required to go through a
BACT (Best Available Control Technology) process to look at what other facilities have
achieved through technology or operating procedures to become as clean as possible. For
greenhouse gases,  she said,  this will spur the private sector to look  at energy efficiency
and technology improvements  to move toward reducing emissions and  making the

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system  more  efficient.   It will  also raise questions of when  carbon capture and
sequestration will become a viable and cost-effective technology. OAR will have to issue
BACT guidance by the end of the year.  The regulation will spark large investments in
energy efficiency, and there are opportunities for efficiency funding at the state levels,
including stimulus funds.  One challenge is to think of how to talk about the regulatory
requirements in a way that attracts investment.   The 2011  budget proposes to increase
funding to states, regions, and EPA to prepare for GHG permitting.

OAR is on an  aggressive schedule to follow the Clean  Air Act and  to review  the
standards for public health and welfare related to the criteria pollutants: lead, CO, PM,
ozone, SO2, and NO2.  In the past, EPA has not met the requirement to accomplish this
review every five years.  States will soon be required to develop implementation plans to
make improvements in air quality to meet new standards.  EPA is looking into doing the
reviews and implementation plans with a more interactive, multi-pollutant strategy.  The
same thing is being done to update emissions requirements for industrial sectors which
allows for better business planning.  Especially in the utility sector,  providing a long-term
roadmap is a way to increase certainty, which is better for investment. OAR is working
toward  multi-pollutant monitoring, which would be a better way to  look at burdened
communities and cumulative  impact.  For the NO2/NAAOS, a new monitoring system
will allow multi-pollutant planning with the regions and states.  OAR wants to meet the
letter of the law and do what science  demands,  but in  a way that  leads  to  smart
investments to build a clean energy future.

Of special interest  is  financing  strategies.  Pollution  represents inefficiencies, and  the
pollutant  can  be an opportunity to invest in increased efficiencies  and to build  the
economy. Generally, the more efficient you are, the less you pollute.  OAR is looking at
how to use  energy cost savings to fund efficiency investment opportunities on a large
scale.  For example, OAR has worked with investment firms that support investments in
energy efficiency where the energy savings pay back the investment in a few years.  The
model has been implemented and works. Regulation drives investment, and having tools
for that investment can aid companies in their decision making. She asked the Board to
think about how to get to the inefficiencies and create these investment opportunities,
perhaps by pooling such needs into an investment portfolio to make the capital available.

She also challenged the Board regarding the mandatory reporting rule, a requirement that
larger facilities  report their greenhouse  emissions  annually, starting next year.   The
information will be made public.  This will  cause companies to be aware of their own
inefficiencies and provide incentives to become more efficient.  She would like to work
with the states on where they are investing energy dollars  to develop programs to service
these newly-discovered needs.

Discussion

Member Curley said the state air quality finance authority can aggregate small credits and
bring them to market as municipal bonds, taxed or untaxed, and corporations will want to
take advantage of long term credit.  If the payback is for 30 years, the savings start

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immediately.   For small businesses, waiting three years for payback  is  too  long.
Companies will be interested in the size of immediate savings in energy bills compared to
the size  of the payment.  Assistant Administrator McCarthy said it is  important  to
articulate that strategy.  She asked about private, rather than public investment on this
strategy,  since there is interest from private firms.  Member Curley said the taxable bonds
would be private, fixed-income  dollars. Member Francoeur said HUD is working with
public housing authorities on energy-saving improvements.  The investments are paid for
out of the normal HUD subsidies, out of the energy savings.  Most programs  are public
sector improvements by municipal and state agencies.  The Clinton Foundation is looking
at the issue from a commercial  context, such as for large commercial property owners.
Many of these owners already  have  a great deal of debt,  so it is important  to look  at
lender priorities.  On the bonds programs,  there is the issue of commodity  risk.  The
savings is linked to the cost of fuel and power generation.

Member  Hernandez suggested that EPA play a role  in publicizing the state and local
programs and partner with DOE, which has funds to stimulate the green economy. She
raised the example of the Empire State Building and other high rise retrofits, which have
received  very little attention. However, debt priority and debt load issues are  important.
Private money will not come until the government shows  this can  work.  It works by
tying the improvement costs to the structures and properties rather than to the borrowers.
Private capital should  be included when calculating matching funds from the federal
government.  As the economy stabilizes, there will be more private investment, providing
more options to fund the regulatory agenda.

Mr. Jarocki said there had been discussions on environmental  SRFs, which jumpstarted
investment.  He suggested looking for hot spots, rather than  statewide SRFs. These SRFs
could be  used in the manner of block grants to leverage SRF and local investment to loan
out for reinvestment. There will have to be successful examples to encourage the private
sector. Member Francoeur said she would not discount starting at the public sector level,
considering how much real estate is government-owned and the opportunity to use those
projects as  examples.  Assistant  Administrator McCarthy said those examples exist. Her
interest is in knowing what will make people jump at the opportunity. For example, EPA
is required by the courts to issue requirements on boilers. Replacing these boilers will be
expensive,  and there should be  a way to support the change EPA is trying to generate,
rather than  forcing the change at a financially bad time. It is a matter of EPA articulating
its challenges differently, looking at opportunities as well as requirements. EPA  needs
creative funding solutions, since money is tight at all levels.

Member  Abelow said it is important to think about what is being financed.  If a boiler
manufacturer can think of leasing rather than selling boilers,  the decision at the plant
level is not about a large capital investment. Assistant Administrator McCarthy said this
was a valuable idea. Member Francoeur said some the question is what guarantee the
energy savings  provider puts in to  make  them an  equity partner so the  repayment
becomes  a function of actual savings.

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Member Dixon Peay  said marrying the rules with investment returns is important for
changing the view of regulation and getting to the heart of the problem.  It is important to
emphasize this becoming a catalyst for cooperation at all  levels to leverage funds and
efforts.  She added that this is a very timely issue, and there may be pockets of SRF that
can be used in a phased approach.

Member Trabucchi  thanked McCarthy for the  clear charge.  She said there is  a public
outreach and communication problem.  For example, SEC recently came out with climate
disclosure guidance, which looks at financial risks. EPA should marry the financial and
environmental risks in terms of return on investment from a balance sheet perspective.
EPA can articulate a structure of replacing boilers in a particular industry, zone, or region
in exchange for an  offset of carbon credits or mandatory reporting requirements.   She
pointed out that the Treasury is an important part of this, since they are looking at tax
credits,  municipal tax bonds, and tax incentives.  EPA should be part of that process to
make sure tax credits foster environmental returns.

Ms. Diefendorf said there is a learning curve for efficiencies, and companies may see the
benefits but not have  the time to implement them.  She said the labor can be provided
externally, such as by providing the energy assessments for businesses and guiding  them
through  making  improvements.   DFO Meiburg  thanked McCarthy  for the  clear
challenges and said those challenges will be on the Board's agenda.

EPA Water Priorities and Themes

DFO Meiburg introduced Assistant Administrator Peter Silva of the  Office of Water,
who  has worked on water  issues in  California and  on the Border  Environmental
Cooperation. He currently is working on the water SRFs. Assistant Administrator  Silva
said the Administrator has laid out her priorities, focusing on what EPA does for the
communities and the best ways to affect people's lives on the ground and how to look at
job creation, environment and  quality  of life.  He has two main focus areas: sustainable
communities and healthy watersheds.  Water is a key factor in economic vitality in any
community, both water quality and water quantity.  Water quality and quantity issues
impact everything industries do at a local level.

On the  sustainability side, the Economic Recovery Act devoted 4 billion to wastewater
and $2 billion to drinking water; it was all  under contract by the deadline.  Of that, 20
percent was required to go to  green infrastructure investment.  That sort of investment
will  continue,  and EPA is looking  at creating a better definition of green infrastructure
and how to roll it into  SRF requirements. He asked for Board assistance on that.

The WaterSense program is a water conservation program for residents.  He would like to
see a WaterSense or Energy Star-like program for water utilities, perhaps through SRFs or
incentives.  The Urban Waters Program works  with disadvantaged communities near
bodies of water that cannot access the water. This is part of the Sustainable Communities
Initiative in cooperation with DOT and HUD.  EPA is working with communities that
cannot afford loans.  The states can have low interest, negative interest loans, and loan

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forgiveness.  These are included in a draft talking paper to congress. He asked if this is
something the SRFs should have moving forward and whether the set-aside  for small
communities should be made mandatory. Congress looks at sustainability as the ability
to get off of SRFs, and that is something to look at for the next budget year.

Regarding healthy watersheds,  EPA has $250 million for the Chesapeake Bay efforts.
There is $475 million for the Great Lakes program.  There is congressional interest in the
approach of EPA coordinating  the federal side and working with the states to address
these long-term problems.

The Office  of Water  wants to work with utilities on energy and water conservation,
looking at financial, economic,  and regulatory impediments  to water reuse, reclamation,
and recharge. The districting system has become inefficient,  and Assistant Administrator
Silva would like to see creative thinking on addressing water  and energy needs.

The Office of Water is trying to regulate with a water-based approach on how to work
with the states on point source and non point source.  He is  looking at trading  and other
market-based approaches.   He expressed  interest in water  loss  reduction  and  SRF
reinvestment options.

Discussion

DFO Meiburg said the Water Loss Reduction Workgroup has a  draft report the Board
will be looking at. There will be a report on SRF investment options, which grew out of
a 2008 EFAB report that  demonstrated  that SRFs that leverage their funds were more
successful.  The  Board also works on  energy  efficiency in wastewater treatment and
affordability. Affordability  should be considered in relation to households, since there
are efficiencies to  be gained  at that level.   EFAB  has looked at non-point  source
financing, including the trading issues.  EFAB has demonstrated interest in the issues
Assistant Administrator Silva raised.

Member  Deming said  EFAB's  earlier recommendation  on  combining  water and
wastewater districts to gain efficiencies was controversial. DFO Meiburg said  the Clean
Water  Act and the Safe Drinking Water Acts do not  have the same fund  eligibility
requirements.  Though there were potential advantages  of scale, the proponents of the
two funds were concerned about losing flexibility.  Member Agriss said the Water Loss
Reduction Workgroup has  discussed the issue of combining various units.

Member  Marsh  said the  Innovative Finance Workgroup has been thinking  about
sustainable communities and healthy watersheds.  In a report on Sustainable Watershed
Finance,  EFAB worked with  OWOW and  presented  innovative concepts.   On  the
Sustainable  Communities Partnership, he talked about the real  opportunities for working
with the Office of Water on how applicable some innovative  finance techniques might be
to the projects under the partnership.

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Member Hernandez said there are efficiencies to be achieved through a collective and
collaborative approach to water.  She warned that stormwater programs are migrating
toward  onsite containment, percolation,  and reuse.  There are supply issues related to
that.  It is important to look at the broad spectrum to prevent efforts from running into
each other.  Assistant Administrator Silva said stormwater collection is a water rights
issue in some areas, and that should be considered.

Member Johnson said many small towns and cities cannot afford to improve water
quality.   Area-wide planning  can create  larger systems that can  be financed and
maintained more sustainably. State-level politics is also an issue,  sometimes involving
state administrations ignoring cities and towns with a different political affiliation. There
is also the issue of septic tanks and public health, especially in the rural South. In some
areas, water loss is actually a matter of water theft.  The area-wide approach is something
to be considered for these problems.

Ms. Himmelberger  said it may  be time  to look at lessons learned from ARRA versus
normal  SRF funding.  Many states got much more done this year than they normally do,
largely  due to improved cooperation, give and take with EPA offices, and an increased
number of applications.  These things can be applied in the future to streamline processes
and continue the momentum. Assistant Administrator Silva said the states have learned a
great  deal about improving their processes; he would  like to see a retrospective on.
Member Wilson commented that the ARRA funding was use  or lose, and EPA kept the
states informed of their deadlines.  That created a sense of urgency for the states.
Member Mason said the ARRA  retrospective should allow states to be honest on how to
improve things outside of ARRA.

Member Livesay raised the issue of tribes as  disadvantaged communities that rely on
grants and need help with infrastructure.  Assistant Administrator Silva said there are set-
asides for tribes, but The Office of Water can look at how money gets to the tribes.

Member Massey said states may be losing flexibility  in  the  SRF, and some federal
priorities are being pushed on the states.  Assistant Administrator Silva said some federal
priorities are being emphasized,  and Congress may add more requirements.  He asked the
Board whether that is good or bad and how to manage it. Member Massey said the states
will stop participating if the requirements grow too specific.

Member Dixon Peay  said  ARRA worked because it used the proven SRF program.
Future initiatives on trading have been discussed by the Board.  Assistant Administrator
Silva  said EPA has a history of working closely with the states. He thanked the Board for
their input.

Workgroup Report Out: Carbon Capture and Sequestration

Member Rachel Deming reported from the workgroup, which has  completed a draft
report, which was distributed to the Board.  That report will be revised overnight.  The
report was in response to  a charge from those in  the  Agency working on the Safe

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Drinking Water Act to  assist on making recommendations for financial assurance for
carbon sequestration, particularly for geological sequestration. The Agency is waiting for
EFAB's advice before issuing the proposed rule, so issuance is urgent.

There were two key tasks charged by the Agency.  First was to comment on the Safe
Drinking Water Act regulations and financial assurance for the operational and plugging
phases, which was the subject  of the report.  The second was long-term stewardship,
which was not in this paper and will be a component of subsequent workgroup work.
This is consistent with discussion at the August meeting. This report is aimed at assisting
the Agency with financial assurance in proposing the Class 6 rulemaking under SDWA.

In reviewing the SDWA rules,  the Workgroup tried to build on the knowledge gained
from looking at the RCRA rules on financial assurance and to build on the work the
Board has done previously on RCRA financial assurance instruments: the financial test,
captive  insurance, and  commercial  insurance instruments.   Carbon sequestration is
difficult to analyze because many people do not see it as hazardous.  The main issue is
intrusion of brackish water into groundwater drinking systems.  This is a greater hazard
than mobilization of hazardous constituents into groundwater.   The recommendations
should make clear that the Board understands the distinction.

Another major concern across financial assurance has been whether the current economic
conditions change prior advice.  The Workgroup concluded that one does not regulate for
a specific time. The Workgroup wishes to include more on available cash flows in times
of economic  stress.   That component will be stated in the paper.  The Workgroup will
include a recommendation of financial assurance for the components of an operational
system for  carbon  sequestration that go  to  the  pieces of the system that  monitor
groundwater.   The  operational  system will  include  monitoring wells  and continued
operation of the wells, which can be expensive. It is important to know up front what the
financial assurance is being provided for.

The  combined  system, with an up-front financial assurance component  for monitoring
wells and plugging, is similar to the RCRA system for closure.  The recommendation will
include regular rolling reviews to assess  the  operation of the  system and to provide
financial assurances for any second  risk that might arise at that time.  Under SDWA,
there are Class 1 and Class 2 wells.  The new  class of wells in the recommendation are
Class 6 wells. Class 2 wells are used for enhanced oil recovery.  Class 1 wells are waste
disposal underground injection wells. The RCRA requirements are more similar to Class
1 than  Class 2 wells.  Class 2 wells are looked at on a well-specific basis, while RCRA
financial assurance looks at a whole facility.  A carbon sequestration operation  would
require multiple injection and monitoring wells, and financial assurance  should address
the entire operation.  For that reason, financial assurance should be treated in a manner
more similar to the Class 1 financial assurance  and RCRA regulations.  Additionally, the
Workgroup outlined  some differences between Class 1 and RCRA financial assurance,
especially reports under bankruptcy and other reporting requirements already in the draft
report.

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The amount of financial assurance should be based on the SDWA risk at issue as a floor,
and the amount should be tied to maintaining and operating a monetary network to verify
that adverse impacts to drinking water do not occur and to assure well closure. If adverse
impacts occur or are threatened  to occur,  corrective action would be triggered, and a
further floor amount for financial  assurance would be evaluated.

Because RCRA Class 1 financial mechanisms are based on a hazardous waste facility
owner and  operator considerations, there may be  differences  in the  owner/operator
profiles for  proposed  carbon sequestration  facilities,  requiring  additional  financial
assurance  mechanisms.  Part of the RCRA basis is economic,  excluding people who
cannot afford long-term operation.

Member Hernandez added  that  there were  many undercapitalized facilities  at the
beginning of the RCRA program.   The  sequestration  owner/operator profile is  still
evolving,  so the Workgroup  did not want  to  import the RCRA  corrective action
requirements but to provide for flexibility for utilities, including rate-based mechanisms
and for the Agency to have  a catch-all seventh mechanism to  provide the functional
equivalent of financial assurance under the existing regulatory mechanisms.  Member
Deming said that, since pilot projects and development are ongoing, performance levels
cannot yet be accurately predicted at this point, supporting the need for revisiting.  Ms.
Hernandez added that the uncertainty should be addressed as  part of the permitting
process and  the regular  review  of permitted  facility  processes.  Financial assurance
mechanisms  should not be so costly that  they create barriers to the  development and
deployment of effective carbon sequestration technologies.

Member Deming said  EFAB's recommended use of financial  assurance mechanisms
relates only to its familiarity with and belief in the effectiveness of the mechanisms.  The
recommendation does not make any judgment that sequestration facilities are or should
be treated as hazardous waste treatment or  disposal.  EFAB's recommendations apply to
the use of the financial tool, not characterization of the risk.

Discussion

DFO  Meiburg  noted  that  the  Workgroup  meeting  was  exceptionally  productive.
Comments should go back to the  Workgroup so the report can be issued at the end of the
month.  Member Trabucci said  the Workgroup  members would like to see the draft
language included and for the  revised  draft to go to the Board.  DFO Meiburg  said the
vote will probably occur by email. Member Deming said EPA staff at the meeting felt
the Workgroup's charge was met.

Adjournment

The day's  agenda completed, DFO Meiburg adjourned the meeting at 4:52 p.m.

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Wednesday March 17, 2010 (9:00 a.m.)

Opening Remarks

DFO Meiburg called  the  meeting to order at 9:08  a.m.   He noted that Deputy
Administrator Bob Perciasepe had met with the Board members on the previous evening
and expressed a desire to work closely with the Board in the future. Member Doug Scott,
who was not present on the first day, was present on the second.  DFO Meiburg moved
on to the EFCN report, which was  started while waiting for CFO Bennett to arrive and
was  completed after CFO  Bennett's presentation.   EPA supports ten  environmental
finance centers.   These centers work  closely with the Board and collaborate among
themselves.

Environmental Finance Center Network Update

Joanne Throwe, President of the EFCN, said the Centers have, for the first time, had to
compete to remain existing centers, and they succeeded. All of the EFCs succeeded I
retaining their status with the addition of two new centers.  One new  center will be
managed by Heather Himmelburger and the other will be  located at  Wichita State
University.   Joanne  introduced Angela Buzard from Wichita State University.   Wichita
State is also home to the Kansas Public Finance Center, which provides support to local
and state governments and will prove a valuable partner. They also have the  Regional
Economic Area Partnership, a coalition of 37 local governments that meet to discuss
issues such as water supply and quality. The EFC is located inside the Hugo Wall School
of Urban and Public Affairs.  The school has a history of academic research from  a
community  perspective and  provides professional development for many associations
statewide.  The workplan is being defined, and the Center is soliciting input to provide
the most important  services.  However,  the agenda will include items the  Center has
experience  with: water  systems, land use planning,  energy conservation initiatives, and
air pollution.  They plan to provide services  for communication, research,  technical
assistance, and professional development.

Sam Merrill, of the Portland, Maine, EFC, spoke about smart growth and climate change.
His EFC developed  and implemented a training and workshop series for those planning
communities to help make smart growth happen. This is focused on the mechanics  of
social  change (leverage,  influence, and political  power) rather than technical aspects.
These trainings have occurred in a number of states  and are popular. On  a higher level,
He has been researching and drafting legislation in Maine on  quality of place.   The bill
sets up a series of economic development districts to help push quality of place issues at
the local level.  This model is being exported to other states.  Secretaries Salazar (DOT)
and  Vilsack (USDA)  have  met  with  him  on implementation  of the  Sustainable
Communities initiative,  looking for local case study implementation opportunities.

Mr. Merrill's EFC has done analysis on how states should allocate revenues from RGGI
auctions. At the local level, they are helping communities work on their adaptation plans,
which are usually lacking in specifics.  The Centers has  developed software tools to help

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communities do financial planning in various areas.  One is being developed for coastal
adaptation  to sea level  rise (COAST).   It is  being tested in  Connecticut  and has
community and military involvement.  The tool provides GIS overlay analysis looking at
storm surge and sea level rise models to determine what real estate or assets are at risk.
This aids in visualizing possible actions and  in decision-making.   There are many
hundreds of communities that can benefit from this model, including inland towns with
vulnerabilities other than sea levels and storms.

Due to the  arrival  of CFO  Bennett,  the  presentation was paused  for the CFO's
presentation.

EPA FY 2011 Budget Priorities

Barbara J.  Bennett, Chief Financial Officer, said her background is in the private sector,
so she  appreciates innovative finance techniques and the Board's work.  As the markets
approach a tipping point with respect to green technology, she is looking to the Board for
more creative ideas on how to spark markets.

CFO Bennett gave  an  overview of the Administrator's priorities in relationship to  the
President's proposed 2011 budget for EPA, which will  have a 3 percent reduction.  Some
of those reductions will be in SRFs and in the Great Lakes restoration, which is not yet in
full swing.  The emphasis of the budget is to address state budgetary concerns.

The Administrator's priorities for 2011 budget are:   taking action on  climate change;
improving  air quality;  protecting  waters; cleaning  up communities; expanding  the
conversation on environmentalism and environmental  justice; and  resetting, rebuilding,
and strengthening State/Federal  partnerships.  There will be an additional $43 million for
efforts on climate change toward clean energy future.  The Greenhouse Gas Reporting
Rule provides technical assistance to assure that permitting under the Clean Air Act will
be manageable; this includes standards for mobile sources and regulatory work for large
stationary sources.  There is $60 million in the budget for state efforts to implement  the
updated national ambient air quality standards.  For protecting America's waters, there is
$63  million,  including  an additional $13 million dollars to help restore the Chesapeake
Bay and $17 million in new funds for the Mississippi River Basin.  For  cleaning up
communities, there is $1.3 billion to address Superfund sites. Cleaning the sites improves
communities' health and allows the properties  to be  used  for economic development.
The budget includes $215  million to  clean  up  abandoned  brownfields.  CFO Bennett
hopes  this  funding will  support  planning to  leverage  dollars  to  spur economic
development.  For expanding the conversation on environmentalism, there are  funds to
target brownfield  investments to underserved and disadvantaged neighborhoods.  These
communities often do not have the resources to advocate for themselves and often receive
disproportionate impacts. It is important to teach these communities how to advocate for
themselves and for EPA to be  aware  of these communities.  There is $56 million  for
chemical assessment and risk reviews to reduce unreasonable risks for new or existing
chemicals.  There is $29 million (including $15 million in grant funding) to continue  the
elimination of childhood lead poisoning.  There is $6 million to support national efforts

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to mitigate exposure to high-risk legacy chemicals, like mercury and asbestos. Overall,
the budget closely reflects the Administrator's priorities.

EPA is in the process of updating the five-year strategic plan for the agency, and each of
these priorities is part of that five-year plan, so as to focus the Agency's efforts in the
direction the Administrator and President want to go.  CFO Bennett asked the Board to
consider its projects in the context of these priorities. Under all of these priorities are the
Agency values of high quality  research, the rule of law, and the use of valid science.
Innovation and new technology will be a part of the  framework of everything going
forward.

Discussion

Member Agriss asked if EFAB  could be better funded, considering the  quality of work
and the amount of benefit that comes from a small investment in researchers.  CFO
Bennett said she understood the issue and would look into it.  Ms. Pesek, Director of the
EFC for Region 2, asked about the RFPs for the Sustainable Communities Partnership.
CFO Bennett said it is a three-way partnership with DOT and HUD, and EPA will  be
offering similar grants.  DFO Meiburg said EPA has been trying to bring  in CDC as well.
The  Sustainable Communities Partnership is an opportunity for EPA to  leverage efforts
with other agencies.  Member  Rice asked about the five-year plan, particularly about
leveraging EPA's assets in the current economy.  CFO Bennett said the first thing  is to
direct resources toward the Administrator's  priorities.  She anticipated a flat or lower
budget going forward and is interested in restoring partnerships that have lost funding.
Member Livesay asked about the five year plan as pertains to tribal governments.  CFO
Bennett said an increase in grants for the next year was proposed but could not speak to
future budgets.

Ms. Himmelberger from the New Mexico EFC noted that the 2011 budget was decreased
from the previous year and asked if that was a general cut or reflected specific decreases.
CFO Bennett said it reflected specific decreases: reductions in SRFs and  the Great Lakes
Restoration Initiative cut.  The Great Lakes received a large increase in the 2010 budget,
but the program needs more time to develop before it is prudent to maintain that increase.
The SRFs are loans, and EPA is  looking to move toward grants.

Member Scott asked  about money going to  the  states for the financial side  of
environmental  justice.    DFO  Meiburg  said   there  is  money  in  the budget  for
environmental justice.  Regarding climate change, there is a $43  million increase for
climate  change,  $25 million  of which is  state  grants  around  the  permitting  rule.
Regarding the reporting rule, there is $21 million for the registry.  To prepare the states
for the regulations and implementation, EPA is required to regulate for other sources, and
there is  funding. Money is in the budget to prepare the states, and the Administrator has
said the Tailoring Rule will adjust things.

Member Marsh said many Board recommendations have not been fully implemented. He
issued a challenge  to look at  past reports  and  see  how they mesh with the current

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Administrator's strategic plan.  He noted that there was a request for boiler strategies,
which the Board had already issued recommendations for recently.  DFO Meiburg said
there was a review of the reports; the  reports had not been ignored and  some were
implemented.  He noted the long term SRF loans that were not funded by capitalization
grants, changed regulations on financial assurance instruments, and the loan guarantee
project. There was a report involving a shift in the way people think about affordability
as related to wastewater and drainwater  projects, moving toward full-cost pricing.  The
Board completed a report in  Aug 2008 on leveraging, showing the benefit of leveraging
to make SRF.  CFO Bennett  asked for the inventory of reports. Ms. Bowie said the staff
is now working to complete  an inventory that goes back ten years and should be issued
within the next couple of months.

Member Downard said funding and using the EFCs is a way to expand Agency influence
and activity while controlling costs. Member Hughes recommended looking at EFAB's
affordability report in relation to the subsidies in the 2010 budget for the SRF program,
since the preliminary guidance does not indicate that the report has been consulted. CFO
Bennett thanked the Board for its work.

Environmental Finance Center Network Update (Continued)

President Throwe introduced Lauren Heberle, who spoke on cleaning up communities.
The  University of Louisville's practice guides and  policy reports emphasize finding
economic  solutions   to  environmental   problems   by  intentionally   addressing
environmental, economic, and social concerns simultaneously.  These address climate
change, sustainable land use, urban agriculture  and gardens,  environmental justice,
greening institutions in  policy and practice, green infrastructure development, and air
quality.

In response to a symposium on safe  urban agriculture on brownfields and other vacant
properties,  the  Center is developing resources for  municipalities, community-based
organizations, and nonprofits who  want to support urban gardens and  agriculture, safe
soil   standards,  regional  food system  plans,  and  urban  schoolyard gardens  and
environmental classrooms.    Food system  plans  and urban agriculture strengthen a
neighborhood's access to stable  and healthy food.   Urban agriculture and  gardens
strengthen access to sustainable and  healthy food, helping in financially difficult times
and improving environmental conditions. The most recent practice guide on safe urban
agriculture has been very popular.  Communities are interested in urban agriculture and
community gardens to improve public health, solve  local food deserts, improve  food
safety and security,  address vacant property issues, and provide economic development
opportunities.  The latest guide is a primer for urban gardening, and it addresses safe soil
practices: dangers of gardening on contaminated soul, potential sources of contamination,
acceptable  levels  of contamination, and how to test for contamination.  The Center is
working  with the  state of Kentucky  to figure out   funding  mechanisms for site
assessments and testing.  It is working with Region 5 on an urban agriculture summit that
will  develop  recommendations on urban  agriculture and community gardens.   That
summit will be replicated in Region 4. She encouraged EPA and USDA to work together

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on this by visiting the regional  offices.   She has partnered with the University of
Louisville City Solutions Center to produce school-specific community-based schoolyard
environmental design guides, which incorporate input from staff, students, parents,  and
community members.  This is also an opportunity to revitalize the area.
She distributed Kentucky Wet Growth Tools for  Sustainable Development, a handbook
on land use and water, developed in collaboration with the Center for Land Use  and
Environmental Responsibility.  The book looks at  land  use  and its impact on water
quality, supply, and health of watersheds.  The co-author has asked the Center to help
him update his American Planning Association guide on environmental justice.

President Throwe introduced Kevin O 'Brien of the Great Lakes Environmental Finance
Center. The Center has been working with NOAA to identify the training needs for local
government officials across the Lake Erie Basin, to help develop strategic plans, to work
with the estuaries, and to hold focus groups  across the  basin to find out what local
officials need to know about coastal resource management issues.  They are now looking
at how to deliver with the network of partners: Sea Grant  program, Ohio Department of
Natural Resources, and the Ohio EPA.   They developed a regional training consortium
across the Lake Erie Basin, pulling together the two Ohio EPA districts, soil and water
conservation officers for each county, federal  soil and water staff, and nonprofits. The
focus  is to provide a consistent curriculum for meaningful  training and trying to
maximize the number of courses that  can  be taught  regularly at a  consistent cost.
Training activities have increased, both in the field and in the classroom.  This  has
fostered more thoughtful problem-solving across  organizations, looking proactively at
future needs and how to address them.

President Throwe introduced Sara Jade Pesek, who spoke on expanding the conversation
on environmentalism and working for environmental justice.   Her center is co-located
with the Syracuse Center of Excellence in a new LEED Platinum building.  The building
itself is a learning tool and can be used to demonstrate various  green technologies. The
Center has been offering continuing education on sustainable practices to zoning  and
planning officials.  There are now two offices, one at Syracuse university and one in New
York City.  The NYC office is collocated with a green  architecture firm in a LEED
Platinum  interior  space.    The  Center is  actively  involved with  the Sustainable
Communities Partnership Initiative.  A  pilot  program was  announced  in February for
technical assistance to states regarding revising  the clean water SRF.  The  EFC at
Syracuse was chosen as the technical assistance providers to New York. The Center is
looking at how to incorporate asset management and green infrastructure into the SRF
while maintaining a focus on water quality.   The EFC  is using a multi-layered,  multi-
stakeholder approach.  Recommendations go out in the next three months for stakeholder
feedback.  The EFC is also doing a review of the green innovation grant program,  which
is part of ARRA funding.

The EFC has been working with Region 2 and headquarters to  get communities to band
together to make  applications for DOT and HUD funds.   They  met at the EFC in
Syracuse for workshops on the SFR provision and Sustainable Communities Partnership.

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The Green Project Exchange is a new project to create a forum for local leaders to share
sustainability stories, describing projects, funding,  and publicity.  The forum will  be
searchable by many criteria, including project type and community size.  The site will be
launched in the next two months.

President Throwe then called for quick updates from the other EFCs.  Jeff Hughes from
the North Carolina EFC said much of the ARRA money went to local governments for
energy projects, and the EFC is on a team to provide national technical assistance to those
communities working with that $3 billion. It is a good way to tie EFAB, EPA, and DOE
work  together.  DFO Meiburg commented that the EFC has set up  workshops in the
Mississippi  Delta  area,  working with  financing of drinking water  and waste  water
projects.   Sarah Diefendorf of the California EFC highlighted the Tribal  Sustainable
Enterprise Initiative throughout Nevada, Arizona, and California.  Currently, the EFC is
looking at the finances and viability of installing solar at the Torres-Martinez's casino.
Most  of the  work has gone to the La Jolla Band  of Los Suenos Indians near San Diego.
Green MBA students are working with the tribe to help them develop a more sustainable
economy. First was a business plan for the recycling and transfer station.  They are
looking for a better way to run the campground, cutting attendance in half and preventing
gang  attendance.   Another  business plan is  to develop  eco-tourism.  However,  the
campground will have to be cleaned up first. Finally, the EFC is helping them with their
integrated solid waste management plan.  The EFC will be working with the Navajo to
help them understand the systems and possibly develop a sustainable wool business and
solar power to augment their green economy.

President Throwe said her term as president has expired, and Heather Himmelberger will
be president effective immediately.  Ms. Himmelberger of the New Mexico EFC said all
ten regions are now covered by an EFC.  Her center is doing Regions 6 and 8.  In Region
6, enforcement convened a  meeting in Waco about arsenic and uranium violators in
Texas. The meeting led to EFC hosting a meeting of stakeholders in Austin.  As a result,
Texas will be working towards the development of a funders coordination Group in
Texas. The EFC will host a meeting in April to facilitate setting up the coordination
group.

Carbon Capture and Sequestration Financial Assurance Report

DFO  Meiburg announced that the members were given the revised draft of the Carbon
Capture and Sequestration Financial Assurance Report, incorporating changes from the
previous  day's meeting. Member Haskins commented that there are a number of subject
matter experts at the EFCs and encouraged EFAB members to work with them.

Workgroup Report Out: Water Loss Reduction

Member Terry Agriss reported from the "leaky pipes group."  She directed the members
to the draft  report, Water Loss Reduction Financing,  Mechanisms for Drinking Water
Distribution  Systems.  The Workgroup made  only  minor changes to the report at the
previous  day's meeting. This report addresses only drinking water, not waste water. The

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annual investment shortfall in drinking water infrastructure investment is estimated at
$11 billion.  That shortfall results in poor efficiency and loss of treated water and reactive
intervention practices. Frequently, rate structures are inadequate to cover both operating
costs  and infrastructure investment.   The Workgroup determined  that even increased
investment will not address water losses without adequate management practices and a
sufficient business focus of the utilities.  In looking at  the water loss reductions, a lot of
work has already been done; she noted Scott Haskins' work with the AWWA (American
Waterworks Association).  AWWA puts out numerous publications to help communities
look at their water systems, design water audits, and provide other water loss control
activities to significantly assist communities in determining  the status  of their water
systems and helping figure  out what kind of investment is  most  useful to make the
systems financially efficient.  Still, few communities have implemented comprehensive
water loss control programs.  She drew the members' attention to a series of case studies
on communities and states that have implemented water loss control programs.

The workgroup focused on non-revenue water,  since there is  a difference between real
water loss (actual water) and apparent losses  (due to accounting or meter errors). Water
loss in the US is estimated to be 7 billion gallons per day, but there is a lack of good data
on water loss.  Communities do not account for water losses in a systematic manner.
There  are  many funding sources in existence: user  fees,  grant  and loan programs
including SRFs, and the new Green Project Reserves. Existing programs are listed in the
report.

Even  increased federal funding is not likely to  be enough to  address the infrastructure
investment shortfall. Improvements will have to  come from the water industry improving
its business  focus and  addressing  rate-setting  practices to  support  the necessary
improvements.  The report specifically mentions the recommendations on affordability.
She referred the members to the recommendations on page 28 of the report.

   1.  Improved business focus and effective water control will make the best use of the
       financial resources available to water utilities. USEPA should encourage utilities
       to initiate practices to improve asset management and  implement environmental
       management systems.

The workgroup decided specifically to use the word "encourage" instead of "mandate."

   2.  Increased utility funding will be necessary to  initiate, implement, and continue
       water loss control programs.  This can be accomplished through  existing  fixed
       mechanisms such as user charges; federal, state, public,  and private grant and loan
       programs; and revenue bonds.  New types of funding mechanisms  do not appear
       necessary.  However,  improved networking  and coordination among regulatory
       agencies  and stakeholders may be warranted to utilize the funds available  more
       effectively.

   3.  Obstacles to implementing utility full cost rate pricing should be addressed. By
       maximizing the use  of reasonable financing mechanisms and incorporating  a

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       household affordability rather than community affordability focus to rate making
       practices, communities can better meet their  capital requirements and minimize
       the cost burden on their low income residents.

   4.  EFAB endorses water audit and asset management programs as excellent tools to
       assist in decreasing water losses.  However, whether a state mandates water audits
       and  asset management programs to qualify for  SRF  funding, it should be
       determined on a state by state  basis.   EFAB notes that where Green Project
       Reserve qualification requires that a business case for improved efficiency be
       demonstrated, a water audit and  an on-going  asset management program are the
       best  means of accomplishing  a successful business case.  States  should consider
       ranking strategies for SRF funding  applications that provide an incentive for
       projects that include implementing  water loss control  and for systems  with
       existing, successful water loss programs.

In discussion, the Workgroup  had modified the second sentence to read, "However,
whether  a state mandates  or provides  incentives to  perform water audits and  asset
management programs as part of the  SRF  funding process, it should be determined on a
state by  state  basis."  In  the last sentence, "States should consider"  was  changed to
"States may consider".

   5.  States should be encouraged to implement or clarify requirements for water loss
       reporting and control. Further, state regulatory agencies should provide assistance
       for implementing water audit practices, especially for small water  supply systems.

Though AWWA's work gives information on how to gather and report the data, there is a
significant lack of this data.

   6.  Consistent with  existing practice,  the Green  Project Reserve guidance  should
       continue to require that "green project" qualification only apply automatically to
       proactive  infrastructure  repair,  replacement,  and/or  refurbishment where  a
       business case for improved efficiency must be demonstrated for projects that are
       not categorically eligible.

The  Workgroup changed  this  recommendation to read, "Water projects  that do not
automatically meet categorical  criteria for Green Project status should still be able to
qualify for the Green Project Reserve Program, provided that a sufficient business case
for improved efficiency is  established."  Even  in cases with reactive leak  repairs, that
would not be a categorically approved activity under the Green Project Reserve, but if the
community  or state can make a business case for why the project should be eligible for
green project money, they should have the opportunity.

   7.  Small water  utilities experience additional  challenges in obtaining sufficient
       financing  to  implement  water  loss  control projects.     Regionalization,
       consolidation,  and cooperative partnerships  are mechanisms that might  assist
       small utilities to improve their economies  of scale, decrease expenses, and

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Regulatory agencies  can be helpful in guiding small utilities in looking at this.  Many
communities  are  hesitant  to  consolidate,  but they  should  look at  cooperative
arrangements.

Discussion

Sara Pesek asked about recommendation 4, specifically  what ranking  strategies  the
Workgroup discussed.  Member Agriss said there was not a detailed discussion on that.
Ms. Pesek said they could have that discussion at a later time as related to her experience
in New York.  Member Mason said the report was intended to be a high-altitude look to
avoid being sidetracked  in  details.   Member Dixon  Peay said the Workgroup was
concerned  that  additional  specifics  might  be  mistaken  for  additional mandates.
Regarding the should/may and encourage/mandate discussion, there was concern  about
increased federalism and about implementation.   The Workgroup  did not want  to be
excessively prescriptive above and beyond prescriptions in the Recovery Act. The major
issue was to avoid limiting the field of possible solutions.  The  SRFs have a history of
working well at meeting the issues within the states in a federal/state cooperative.

Member Agriss suggested an incentive-based approach to having things such  as  water
audits already  completed. Member Deming commented that there is an overlap with the
Environmental Management Systems Workgroup regarding asset management and  the
report on environmental management systems implementation. She encouraged the new
members to attend meetings  outside of their expertise.  DFO Meiburg added that  leaky
pipes on the  wastewater  side is an  important  issue  and  a likely follow-up for  the
Workgroup. Member Downard added that the should/must  issue will come up in other
reports, and it is important  because cities, counties and states do not like unfunded
mandates. Additionally, "should" allows much greater flexibility.

Member Johnson asked about the issue of policy changes and financing regarding smaller
utilities.  Many small communities have water issues but have not been helped by  the
states under the Stimulus Act.  Rural areas are often overlooked for finance.  It is
important to provide some sort of relief for towns too  small for HUD block grants and
rural areas. Perhaps need should merit extra points in the competition for funds.  Member
Agriss said the Workgroup did not discuss changing policy;  it did endorse the benefits of
small communities working together to address overall cost.  She said states should look
at their overall use plan to adequately address  need. Ms. Himmelberger commented that
many small communities do not understand their own needs  and do not accurately
measure their water losses. Getting communities to measure their water losses accurately
is the first step. Defining technologies to address the problem is the next step. Few small
systems understand the magnitude of their problems, and states aggregate inaccurate data.
It is important to get accurate data and to have comparable measurements.

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Jon Clark, staff at the Office of Water, said he hoped for baseline studies on how water is
lost and why.  It is not clear how much money went to water audits, and it is important
that water audits be done.  Without measuring the problems, it is impossible to fix them.
If EFAB could expand on the SRFs that are addressing their subsidies to green projects,
there is a large potential for green projects.  He suggested looking at opportunities for
green in the future and in the report, since the states and regions will take the work
seriously. DFO Meiburg said that would be useful as a follow-up project but would not
apply to this report.

Member  Cobb said for recommendations  2 and 3, people are under extreme economic
conditions, and in Arizona, many small communities are retirement-based. There is no
way to recover the capital of repairing leaky pipes in these communities  through  user
charges.  In those communities,  upgrades will stress other revenue mechanisms going
forward.  That ties into recommendation 3. In Arizona, full cost rate pricing would be
politically impossible.

Because  there were  only minor changes, the  Board was  willing to have the revised
version  sent out for  concurrence. Member Agriss asked whether there  should be  next
steps  for the  Workgroup, specifically, whether  there  should be another  report on
wastewater and  wastewater leaking  pipes.  The  Workgroup  had discussed ways of
preventing costs instead of financing  them.  The Workgroup could look  at demand  side
reduction, asset management, the relationship between environmental management and
asset  management  systems,  and  the  potential for  eco-districts  to improve water
efficiency.  The Workgroup also looked at the impacts of improved coordination between
state and local agencies toward reducing costs.   Planning was  another issue.  Some
communities avoid planning,  but the Workgroup could show the cost effectiveness of
planning. The Workgroup also discussed possible management  changes to  reduce costs.
The idea was to develop studies of consent decrees that have been issued and to see what
has increased efficiencies.

Workgroup Report Out: Innovative Financing Tools

Member  Curley referred the members to the draft report, the fourth in a series.  The  first
was about creating special air quality districts for air nuisances such as truck stops and
auto body paint shops.   The  second and third were  on voluntary environmental
improvement bonds.  This idea developed from Berkeley, where the city lent money to
homeowners who wanted to put solar  panels on their houses. The  city finances the loans
with long-term bonds at low interest rates.  The solar panel  and the loan remain attached
to the house, so if the house is sold, the new owner takes over the payments. The reports
expanded on that idea,  looking at  pollution or energy waste that can be addressed by
devices paid for in this manner.  The first report dealt  with business properties, such as
replacing numerous boilers and rolling them into a bond.  The replacement will bring
huge energy savings.  The fourth report extends the idea into the not-for-profit realm and
local government, such  as libraries, hospitals, and  schools.  He suggested meeting with
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Agencies to promote these kinds of programs.  He noted that if the user of the device for
which there is a credit is an exempted entity, the device is not eligible for the Investment
Tax Credit.  The report recommends that the Internal Revenue Code be amended to allow
the credit.  Member Curley is waiting for more information about what the results have
been in Delaware.  He will update the report with that information when he receives it.

Member Wilson said the bonds in Berkeley are  secured by liens through  normal  tax
collections, but not-for-profits are often exempt from property taxation. Member Curley
said a priority lien can be placed on the mortgage.  The priority of the lien depends on the
state legislature. The liens have to be handled with common sense and be proportional to
the property. Ms. Pesek suggested Prior Purchasing Agreements (PPAs) as another way
to make energy efficiency programs enticing. Peter Meyer said HUD  is looking at
financing energy  retrofits  on  low  income  housing,  and  many  municipalities have
nonprofit independent housing authorities that may be an ally in the recommendation to
amend the  tax code.   Member  Francoeur  said it is important  to  acknowledge  the
difficulty of lending to nonprofits.  Member Curley said the Maryland Health and Higher
Education Facilities Authority is there to provide bonds, and the report requires that the
nonprofits be credit-worthy.  Member Francoeur said it is important  that the report
address manage the tenor of the debt. Member Curley said that would defeat the  point.
Member Hernandez  suggested language:  "in keeping  with  standard  credit review
techniques."  Member Curley said he would work on the language.  Member Meiburg
asked for the Board's feeling on the report.  There was general support for the report but
some wordsmithing to be done.  Member Hernandez said timeliness is an issue, so  she
moved to approve subject to tweaking.  This reflected the Board's general consensus, so
the report was approved.

Member Marsh  said  the Workgroup also  discussed financing  eco-districts.   They
developed a draft report but were not yet ready to  release it.  The Workgroup decided to
speak with some EPA people to see if EPA would be interested in receiving advice from
the Board  on eco-districts.   Though he was not asking for any action, he gave  an
overview of the issue.  An eco-district is  an area where there is an intention to make the
area as environmentally sustainable as possible.   In Portland, Oregon, there  was  an
intention to develop new or retrofit existing buildings with energy saving or green energy
producing systems, utilize  rainwater falling  on the district for a  variety of purposes,
minimize waste and restore habitat within the eco-district. One idea is to create an entity
within the district to manage the services to maximize efficiencies.  That entity  might
collect and spend fees and manage integrated environmental systems.

A number of issues need to be addressed,  including the size of the district  and  the
relationship with existing utilities.  In Western  states, collecting  rainwater is  a  water
rights issue.  There is the possibility of creating markets internal to the district.  There is
the issue of the ability to borrow money or finance infrastructure where facilities cross
property boundaries. It may be possible to create  offset credits in the district that  might
be sold externally.  There is also the issue of allocating fees and benefits.  For privately-
financed projects, there is the issue of security. In the future, the Board might make a
recommendation that EPA become involved, perhaps helping with technical or financial

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assistance or as a convener to work with states on model legislation. The Workgroup will
report back in August. Member Agriss asked about imposing eco-districts on pre-existing
districts.  Member Marsh said  the  Portland eco-district  is a Business  Improvement
District and has taxed itself before for transportation demand management.  It is assessing
themselves for part of the cost of the project.  Member Hernandez said this sort of project
could devolve,  since the goals are too ambitious.  She was concerned about the Utopian
nature of the projects and their being done on very small scales.  She did not want these
projects to undermine attempts to make more modest efforts.  Member Marsh noted that
this was still experimental. Member Hernandez  compared the eco-districts to LEED and
said it is  dangerous when self-imposed private standards  become parts of ordinances.
Member Grodnik said in Washington State, climate benefit district legislation was shot
down twice.  Stakeholders were concerned that it was too ambitious.  She hoped any
recommendation would include  other examples of district financing for  sustainability.
Member Marsh said he  was interested in PUD in Washington or the BID model. Member
Johnson asked if the  eco-districts  tend  to  work best where  people have  disposable
income. Member Marsh said one of the districts  in Portland will be an ethnically diverse,
low-income  district in the outskirts of town, so that will be seen.  Member Francoeur said
she did not  see the economic benefit to the property  owner.  Member Marsh  said the
business owners in Portland want to do feasibility studies, including the possible benefit.
For them, part of the motivation is to take a leadership role in enhancing the value of the
district. Member Dixon Peay said the Board should explore this issue in order to be at the
forefront of the effort.  Member Gebhardt  asked  if the districts would  be  voluntary.
Member Marsh said it is voluntary at this time, but at some point, the issue of including
all property  owners in the district will arise.  Member Gebhardt suggested a  site visit in
the future. Mr. Meyer  said eco-districts are an institutional form, and this Board usually
discusses  financial tools.  He suggested looking at eco-districts in the context  of  what
financial tools are  available.  This allows the Board to be useful without worrying about
issues such as mandatory or the  perfect being the enemy of the good. Member Marsh
said the Portland  eco-district team  is assembling  a  manual to provide examples  of
financial tools that might be useful to those wishing to form an eco-district.

Workgroup Report Out: Financial Assurance (Cost  Estimation)

DFO Meiburg clarified that the Board has adopted the commercial insurance report, and
it has been transmitted. In it, the Board agreed that insurance  is a potentially valuable
financial assurance tool,  that one  of the central points of insurance is that the state,
insured, and insurer have a clear understanding  of what is  covered and the terms of the
policy.  The Board agreed that there is value in third party review.  Finally,  the Board did
not see a value in standard language, due to the variability among the states.

Member Francoeur said one thing to look at in August is what is next on the agenda,
probably involving commercial banking alternatives. Member Rice will replace Member
Downard  as co-chair of the Workgroup.  Member Downard said that, with financial
assurance, there is always a specific number to assure.  The charge from the Agency was,
"How can we increase the reliability of cost estimates?" However, estimates are not right
or wrong. They exist  along a reliability continuum.  To verify reliability, the estimate

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should be periodically reviewed until there is no need for assurance.  The Workgroup
discussed products, technology, a periodic review SWAT team, and a consulting group,
but these did not work.  The Workgroup decided to address improving the process rather
than a particular cost estimate.  By bringing people from the states, industry, and the
Agency,  they planned to assemble a group that would come together and update the
content of training nationwide. This way, experience is not lost when people retire and to
review the tools and to introduce new tools, taking new technology into account. He met
with state regulators the day after the meeting to see if they agreed to this.  He opened the
floor for questions.  Ms. Bowie  from EPA staff reminded the members of the meeting
time and place. Member Downard added that the next day's meeting was to bring the
states in. There will be a workshop including the States, the Agency,  and industry at a
future point.

Discussion on Workgroup Report: Carbon Capture and Sequestration

Member Deming referred to the draft for the report on Carbon Capture and Sequestration
Financial Assurance.  She asked for any conceptual differences  members might  have
about the report. There was no response.  She  said a cleaned-up version would be sent
out on Friday and asked that comments be turned in soon. Member Trabucchi said it is
important to not say that RCRA is not applicable but that it may not be applicable,
because the Board does not have the authority to determine RCRA's intent. Her second
comment was that the Board has transmitted  the insurance report. Third, on the fourth
page of the report, there is a paragraph that does not make sense.  She said she would e-
mail her specific comments. Member Patton, who was not present, had requested that
she be emailed a copy of the report so she can give comments. Member Hernandez said
the sentence on pages two and three about RCRA not being applicable could be dropped
completely.  Member Deming said  she would send the clean version to the Board that
Friday for the Board's approval.

Workgroup Report Out: SRF Investment Options

Member  Gebhardt reminded the Board of the leverage report  in 2008.   The report
mentioned the investment function and recommended that the SRF investment function
receive closer attention as a critical part of the "how to pay" question. The Workgroup is
working in relation to that report and looking at how to get all possible value out of the
SRFs without coloring it with  issues that would undermine the funding capacity to
deliver the value SRF was designed for. There are three parts of the investment function:

1. Provisions in the Clean Air and Drinking Water Acts detail how the fund dollars can
be used: for loans, to purchase obligations, to buy private guarantee insurance or to stand
behind an SRF guarantee, to create sub-state revolving funds, for administrative fees, and
to earn interest. When dollars are not being used for any of the other purposes, they are
generally invested to earn a return.

2. The equity dollars can be used to fund loans that provide security support for any bond
issues the SRF administrators would offer for the purpose of raising additional money to

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lend to local governments and private utilities.  This is not used universally.  Many SRFs
use the program equity to provide only direct financing.  A second approach is to issue a
bond and put the federal money in a reserve account, which is then invested. In 2008 the
problems  with this  second  approach became  evident with  the weakness  of  many
commercial investment providers.   In some cases, private  providers were replaced by
public providers.

3.  The third iteration of the investment function is based on a modification of standard
leveraging models where a portion of program equity  is invested for yield. However, the
investor is only allowed to keep the amount of earnings up to cost of funds. Any interest
over the cost of funds goes back to the Treasury. As programs have matured and equity
has built up, there is  an opportunity on the investment side. It is possible to set up a
sinking fund reserve invested at the  cost of funds which matches the present value of all
the future interest subsidy payouts.  That financial assistance would equal annually the 50
percent interest subsidy target.   Use of the sinking fund conserves capital that can be
invested at unrestricted yields which efficiently recoup the scheduled sinking fund payout
and frees up capital that can be allocated to support additional projects.  When compared
to  traditional leveraged models.  For SRF compliance purposes only recycled dollars are
used for the unrestricted investments.

Essentially, the funding is being leveraged up without sacrificing the financial assistance.
The 50 percent subsidy target is still being met.  This  raises the questions of, if SRFs can
leverage in this manner, what is the true value of the investment function, what are the
states are authorized to do, and what might they do in the future to further enhance capital
savings and project funding capacity?  The value of the report is to look at the data across
the states and develop a matrix of each SRF's investment authorization.  The report looks
at  the investment of  idle funds, pledge reserves,  and the relative prospects  of  states
regarding investing long term in the equity account in the context of the leveraging
models.  The leveraging programs are varied: some  restrictive and some with a  broad
reach.

He said  the recommendation  will probably  give  encouragement to  the  states  by
demonstrating what needs to done with the funding models to take advantage of the new
financial  architecture.  If the states take advantage of the new financial architecture, they
need to know what they should be looking at with respect to their investment authority.
Considering the liabilities that the SRFs are contracting for,  the question is how to make
good on those liabilities.  With the direct loan model, the SRFs take on those liabilities by
suppressing the return on their investments to those local governments, charging little or
no interest.  Under the leveraging model, the financial assistance is delivered in the form
of an investment in eligible investments  or with commercial  providers, or bonds. Those
are the ingredients to work with. With 20 or 30 years of financial assistance to pay out,
you look for investments that will deliver an earning  stream  to meet that and recoup the
capital.  The question is whether to limit the investments to fixed income or to entertain
other asset classes.  In this report, the Workgroup looked at several funds.  The Texas
School Permanent Fund have the full range of asset allocation they can invest in and have
shown returns much higher than if they had stuck to fixed income.  The Great Lakes

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Protection Fund also has a broad asset authority and a demonstrated record of returns.
The Workgroup, going  forward, will  run  analyses of the  SRF  funding models in  the
context of building out investments limited to fixed income and  to model broader asset
authority over 20 or 30  years. Member Gebhardt recognized those who contributed to
construction of the report.  Subject to ongoing dialogue, there will be a final report at the
August meeting.

Discussion

DFO Meiburg said this  is part of the push to make SRF money  work as hard as it can.
The Board does not opine on the size of the grants,  which is a political matter, but  the
Board  did feel the responsibility to make the  money work as hard as possible.  SRF
managers are held to much higher standards than pension  managers.   More and more,
SRFs are using recycled funds, which are  not subject to the arbitrage restrictions.  The
Board has a contribution to make to the Agency in framing  the debate on whether or  not
the money is working as hard as possible.  For that reason, the issue merits  a thorough
discussion. Member Gebhardt said equities do not have to be the  only asset classes used.
Direct financings are done first, and the balance is used to  support leveraged financing.
The sinking fund allows  a  portion  of that  balance  to  generate returns.   Member
Hernandez  said this work will  be  valuable  when  the Carbon  Capture  Workgroup
undertakes financing for long term care. Member Keith Hinds asked how much money is
sitting in reserve funds  around the  country.  Member Gebhardt said it was probably
around  10 billion.  Member Dixon  Peay  said that is a volatile question  and  the
information was intentionally  omitted.  States have varied levels of control and liquidity,
and the modeling will give more information and background. Member Agriss  said it is
difficult  to  know  how  much  money  is there  because money in reserve can  still be
working.

Member Thomas Liu pointed out that short term rates are currently very low.  Some SRFs
are investing at less than 0.5 percent interest while their associated  cost of  funds is
between 3 and 4 percent.   Any inefficiencies are a drag on the  program.  Also, many
providers provided investment contracts from AIG, so many SRFs "lost" money in  the
crisis.  SRFs had been looking at liabilities; now they should look at growing the assets.
SRF administrators and state treasurers  should be  educated  on investments.   The
workshop is a timely and important program.  Member Francoeur reminded the Board
that the money does not  belong to the  state but  is bondholder money, and the state has a
fiduciary responsibility to the EPA as well.  Preservation of  capital should be the primary
objective.   She further warned of the dangers of  alternative  investment  structures.
Member Gebhardt said  preservation  of capital  will  continue to  be  a  primary
responsibility. However, the dollars sitting in the equity account do not affect the bond
ratings, though they may in the future if SRF guarantees are done.  In that case, the long
term investment portfolio will be a factor.  Broadening the portfolio can affect the cash
flow coming out of the portfolio,  but the assets on the books will  still be assets.  Member
Downard warned against putting the large dollar figure (of SRF assets) in  the report,
since people will want a  piece of that money.  Member Dixon Peay said the Workgroup is
looking at  what is happening and  providing  a framework.  Another concern is  the

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sustainability of the  fund.  If investment is not done, the subsidy is being negatively
impacted. DFO Meiburg said the next step is the revised final draft in August.

Public Comment

DFO Meiburg opened the public comment portion  of the meeting.  There  was one
presenter:  Robert C.  Weaver,  Esq. of Kelly &  Weaver,  P.C., which represents
water/wastewater utilities on funding and legislative and regulatory issues. He said there
have been concerns about states potentially using SRF money to balance state budgets.
Since  Congress  enacted the  National  Clean  Water  Act,  most of  the  costs  of
implementations  were paid  by  local governments  and rate   increases.   Congress
established the Wastewater Construction Grant Program and  SRFs to assist  and  as a
political  support  for the  requirements.   The future of SRF grants depends on federal
budget policy  going forward in  a time of high  deficits.   The 2011 budget  shows
continuation, but the allocations are  made  annually.   In 2006,  Congressman Oberstar
asked the GAO to prepare a report on options for dedicated revenue for a national clean
water trust fund modeled on the highway and transit trust funds.  The report came out in
2009, recommending four classes of dedicated revenue for a clean water trust  fund:
excise fees  on  flushable  products,  fertilizers,  pesticides,  pharmaceuticals,  water
appliances, and plumbing fixtures; an increment of the corporate environmental income
tax;  a water use tax based on volume levied on governments and utilities; and an
industrial discharge tax.  The water use tax  was rejected as too difficult to collect.  The
other income sources were worked into a bill introduced in July of 2009 to establish a
national  clean water trust fund, the  Water Protection and Reinvestment  Trust, which
would collect 10 billion in new dedicated revenue for construction and implementation of
the requirements of the previous acts. The bill has 30 bipartisan  cosponsors. There will
be further hearings this year and more examination  of other revenue sources.  This fund
would be the  best insurance of continuing  capital grants to the SRF  programs.   The
majority  of funding will continue to come from local rate increases.  He urged the Board
to advise the Administrator to look at the opportunities presented by HR 3202 and other
legislation on the issue. He left copies of the GAO report with the Board.

Ms. Pesek asked if  there has been a study on  a  national  infrastructure  bank.   DFO
Meiburg said there had not been.

Meeting Summary

DFO Meiburg summarized the results of the meeting and touched on next steps. On the
Carbon Capture and  Sequestration Report, the updated draft will be redistributed by the
Friday following the  meeting.  The members should respond by the 26th  so the report can
be transmitted.  The Water Loss Workgroup will distribute a revised draft and the Board
will  adopt it by  email.  The  Financing Energy Efficiency by Nonprofits Report was
adopted and will be transmitted, pending minor language revisions. The SRF Investment
Options Report will be ready in a final version for the August meeting.

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Potential future agenda items will be discussed at the August meeting, but at this meeting,
there were a few possible items raised: long-term  stewardship of carbon sequestration,
several possibilities for future work for the Water Loss Workgroup, further discussion of
eco-districts, and the charges from Assistant Administrator McCarthy.  The Board has
many opportunities to choose from in August.  Because many experienced members are
outgoing, there will be vacancies for chairmanship in many workgroups. He encouraged
the new members to join workgroups that interested them.  There is the report on past
EFAB actions  to get out and publicize.  There was the workshop on cost estimation on
the day following the meeting,  and there is the August Board meeting.  Some members
have suggested holding the meeting somewhere other than San Francisco, including near
an eco-district, such as in Portland. Member Deming pointed  out that it is important that
the meeting be near an EPA office to facilitate regional participation.  DFO Meiburg
asked the members to communicate to him any suggestions or objections as to meeting
site by the end  of the week.  The next meeting is likely to be on August 9 and 10.

Adjournment
DFO  Meiburg commented on the  legacy the outgoing Board members have  left,
recognizing the  Chairman  especially.  Chairman Barnes said  the Board, staff, and
Centers  should be proud of the contributions they have made.  Having  met the new
members, he  said these contributions would continue.  DFO Meiburg adjourned  the
meeting at 4:07 p.m.

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                                   Appendix

                                 Attendee List

EFAB Members Present:
Chairperson:
   •  A. James Barnes, Professor of Public Environmental Affairs, Indiana University,
      Bloomington, IN

State and Local:
   •  Kelly Downard, Chairman, Louisville Metro City Council, Louisville, KY
   •  James Gebhardt, Chief Financial Officer, NY State Environmental Facilities
      Corporation, Albany, NY
   •  Gregory Mason, Chief Operating Officer, Georgia Environmental Facilities
      Authority, Atlanta, GA
   •  Karen Massey, Deputy Director, Missouri Environmental Improvement and
      Energy, Jefferson, MO
   •  Sharon Dixon Peay, Financial Administrator, Hartford, CT
   •  Andrew Sayers, Program Administrator, Maryland Water Quality Financing
      Administration, Baltimore, MD
   •  Douglas P. Scott, Illinois Environmental Protection Agency, Springfield, IL
   •  Justin Wilson, Comptroller of the Treasury, State of Tennessee, Nashville, TN

Business and Industry:
   •  Terry Agriss, President, TAgriss Advisory Services, New York, NY
   •  Scott Haskins, Vice President, Global Water Business, Group CH2M Hill,
      Bellevue, WA
   •  William Cobb,  Vice President, Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold, Inc.
   •  Cherie Collier Rice, Treasurer and Vice President of Finance, Waste
      Management, Inc., Houston, TX
   •  Leanne Tobias, Principal, Malachite, LLC, Bethesda, MD
   •  Dr. Jim J. Tozzi, Director,  Multinational Business Services, Inc.,  Washington, DC
   •  Chiara Trabucchi, Principal, Industrial Economics, Incorporated, Cambridge, MA

Banking, Finance, and Legal:
   •  Bradley Abelow, Partner, NewWorld Capital Group, New York NY
   •  Michael Curley, Executive Director, The International Center for Environmental
      Finance, Towson, MD
   •  Rachel Deming, Partner, Scarola Ellis LLP, New York, NY
   •  Mary Francoeur, Managing Director, Assured Guaranty Group, New York, NY
   •  Ann Jennifer Grodnik, Assistant Vice President, Public Finance,  Seattle-
      Northwest Securities,  Seattle, WA
   •  Jennifer Hernandez, Partner/Co-Chair, National Environmental Team, Holland &
      Knight, LLP, San Francisco, CA
   •  Keith Hinds, Financial Advisor, Merrill Lynch, Albuquerque, NM

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   •   Thomas Liu, Managing Director, Bank of America Merrill Lynch, New York, NY
   •   Jay Spector, Financial Officer, Wells Fargo Advisors, LLC, Scottsdale, AZ

Associations, Organizations, Academia, and Public Interest Groups:
   •   Scott Anderson, Consultant, Senior Policy Advisor, Environmental Defense Fund,
       Austin, TX
   •   Dr. John Boland, Professor Emeritus, John Hopkins University Department of
       Geography and Environmental Engineering, Baltimore, MD
   •   Philip Johnson, Director of Programs, Sustainable Community Development
       Group,  Washington, DC
   •   Deborah, Livesay, Water Resources/ Wetland Managers, Salton City, CA
   •   Langdon Marsh, Fellow, National Policy Consensus Center, Portland State
       University, Portland, OR

Environmental Finance Consultant:
   •   Mathilde O. McLean, New York, NY

Designated Federal Official:
   •   Stanley Meiburg,  Acting Regional Administrator, Environmental Protection
       Agency, Atlanta, GA

Environmental Finance Center Network:

   •   Joanne  Throwe, President EFCN, University of Maryland, College Park, MD
   •   Sam Merrill, Director, EFC, University of Southern Maine, Portland, ME
   •   Sara Jade Pesek, Director, EFC, New York, NY
   •   Jeff Hughes, Director, EFC, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC
   •   Lauren Heberle, Director, EFC, University of Louisville, Louisville, KY
   •   Kevin O'Brien, Director, EFC, Cleveland State University, Cleveland, OH
   •   Heather Himmelberger, Director, EFC, Albuquerque, NM
   •   Angela Buzard, Director, EFC, Wichita State University, Wichita, KS
   •   Sarah Diefendorf, Director, EFC, Dominican University of California, San Rafael,
       CA
   •   William Jarocki, Director, EFC, Boise State University, Boise, ID

EPA/EFAB Staff:

   •   Vanessa Bowie, Staff Director, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington,
       DC
   •   Aileen Atcherson, Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington, DC
   •   Alecia Crichlow, Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington, DC
   •   Susan Emerson, Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington,  DC
   •   Vera Hannigan, Senior Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington,
       DC
   •   Sandra  Keys, Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington, DC

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       Timothy McProuty, Program Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance,
       Washington, DC
       Pamela Scott, Analyst, Center for Environmental Finance, Washington, DC
       Jon Clark, Office of Water, Washington, DC
Expert Witnesses:

   •  Peter B. Meyer, President and Chief Economist, The E. P. Systems Group,
      Covington, KY

USEPA Presenters:  Maryann Froehlich, Deputy Chief Financial Officer; Gina
McCarthy, Assistant Administrator, Office of Air and Radiation; Peter Silva, Assistant
Administrator, Office of Water; Barbara!. Bennett, Chief Financial Officer.

Public Presenter: Robert C. Weaver, Kelly & Weaver, P.C.

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 Agenda
                  U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
                       Environmental Financial Advisory Board

                                  March 16, 2010
                                     AGENDA
8:00 AM - 12:30 PM WORKGROUP MEETINGS
12:30 PM     LUNCH
1:30 PM
1:45 PM
2:30 PM
3:15 PM
Opening Remarks/Introductions	Jim Barnes, Chair
                                               Stan Meiburg, DFO

EPA Priorities	Maryann Froehlich
                                     Deputy Chief Financial Officer
EPA Air Priorities and Themes.
	Gina McCarthy
    Assistant Administrator
  Office of Air and Radiation
BREAK
3:30PM
EPA Water Priorities and Themes.
4:15 PM WORKGROUP REPORT OUT
    	Peter Silva
    Assistant Administrator
            Office of Water
             Carbon Capture and Sequestration	Jim Tozzi
4:55 PM      Day 1 Summary	Jim Barnes
                                                               Stan Meiburg

5:00PM ADJOURN

6:00 PM Group Dinner

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                 U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
                      Environmental Financial Advisory Board

                                 March 17, 2010
                                    AGENDA
9:00 AM     Opening Remarks	Jim Barnes
                                                               Stan Meiburg

9:15 AM     EPA FY 2011 Budget Priorities	Barbara J. Bennett
                                                       Chief Financial Officer

10:00 AM   Environmental Finance Center Network Update	Joanne Throwe
                                                            President, EFCN
11:00 AM   BREAK

11:15 AM   WORKGROUP REPORT OUT

            Water Loss Reduction	Terry Agriss

12:00 PM    LUNCH

1:30 PM     WORKGROUPS REPORT OUT

            SRF Investment Options	Jim  Gebhardt

            Financial Assurance (Cost Estimation)	Mary Francoeur
                                                             Kelly Downard
2:45 PM     BREAK

3:OOPM     WORKGROUP REPORT OUT

            Innovative Financing Tools	Michael Curley
                                                                Lang Marsh
3:45 PM     PUBLIC COMMENT

4:00 PM     Meeting Summary	Jim Barnes
                                                               Stan Meiburg
4:15PM     ADJOURN

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