EPA/SAB/81/Q01
                         Review of
"Teclffiical Support OociMent for Segulatory Action Against
 Friable Asbestos -Containing: Materials in Scliool Buildings"
                  (Draft dated September 1980)
      A Report- o£ th& Toxic Substances Subcommittee
                       February 19 81
                   Scisnca'--Advisory Board
            U.S.- Environneiaital Protection Agency
                      Washington,, D,C.

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extramural scientific information, to- the? Administrator and
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the scientific matters  related to problems facing the Agency-
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mention, of" trade names1'  or commercial products constitute
endorsement or recoiamenda,tion!- for 'use;'*

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     Bi.e Science Advisory  Board's Toxic Substances Subcommittee met
on .December 2-3, 1980 to consider the "Technical Support Document for
Regulatory- Action. Against  Friable: Asbestos-Containing' Materials in
School Buildings" (Draft dated September 1§80).   The- Subcommittee
reviewed and commented on  the- scientific merits  of the document and
responded to specific questions,  relating to. the. document,, posed, by
the Office of Toxic Substances-*  It  should be- noted, here' that the
Subcommittee is; a- general  scientific advisory committee-,, not a. panel
of" experts, on' asbestos*

     Copies:- of the- Agenda, the* Subcommittee-, roster r and. a listing of.
SAB- and EPA, participants in  the meeting are appended (Appendices A,. B>
and' C) »  & rough transcript  of the- meeting, was. prepared' and has been
submitted to. the Agency ••
     The meeting wa# open to. the? public*- The.- Asbestos; Information
Association: provided.-' the Subcommittee with, their: extensive comments
on: the document^ the same> comments previously filed! with. SPA.
Eepresentativ-es!- of. the- Association, made ant. oral presentation and
submitted": a-, brief, written-, statement,,,  a-, copy o£ which: is. appended;
(Appendix D) •.

     Briefly;,- the Subcommittee* found' the- document to be
scientifically  credible  but i'tt need: of some8 revisions and; generally
endorsed it. with: the; understanding;: that necessary revisions will, be
made*.
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     Major points which  the- Subcommittee- felt need to- be addressed
are as, foTTowsi

    1,.  2i e< problems; associated1 with, thet extrapolation;' of available-
    asbestos: exposure  data* to- long— termy- low-level effects were
    notemr-'Ilie  Subcommittee- recommends: that, these problems* be
    discussed, more* fully in- the- document-  Further,, case studies
    OIL the: major- cisic  of mesothelioraafi- following low- level
    asbestos- exposure ' should, be? emphasized,.

    2~  Ihe concept of using; only at  linear" model to predict risJc was:
    questioned.- The subcommittee recommends' that, in. addition
    to the linear- model,  two- other: models be included r  the: one
    hit model and' the  Weibull model*

    3v  Hie role of smoking in connection with exposure- to. asbestos
    should be clarified-   It should be clearly noted, that, while
    smoking: affects- mortality rates;-  in patients with asbestosis.,
    it is not an important, factor in.- increasing am individual's
    susceptibility- to  asbestosis,-  and', all evidence: indicates
    that, -smoking- does'  not have an effect on\ the: incidence of

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4..  The differential effect, of asbestos exposure, on
children, as  distinct from adults, should be reevaluated.
The- greatest  risk,- in humans, to low-level. environmental
exposure  is: that of mesothelioraa.,.  The latency period for
mesothelioma  appears to be approximately the.' same* whether ait
individual is- six: years--, old or thirty years- old.

5'..  There are a number of areas in- which, definitions shotild: be
clarified* e..gv/- * discussion of concentrations'  and1 exactly
what is-, meant by, exposure and ""lifetime- risJe.,-**   There-- are
also a; number of, inferential statements: which- should- be.
reviewed-  and  revised*

£n  The- four  external reviews: from. Life Systems,  Xnev were
reviewed  by- the- Subcommittee- and; seen- as- objective and*
overall,,  of very good, quality..  The Subcommittee-- feels, that
it: would'  be- of  value to have- these four reviews', examined:
once more by  the? Agency>

7~  There: should, be? further:' detail on- the measurements
involved:'  in asbestos studies-*

          The measurement of: similar- siampies- of  asbestos;
      fiber in-  different, laboratories- or evens in. the? same
     • laboratory' shows considerable- variation-   See* for:
      example- Tables; O-l and C-Z (pages; C-*9: and  C— 10}
      in.  "Asbestos-'-s.  An Information- Resource," DEBIT
      Publication Number (HIE) 79-1681, May 1978*
      Variability- of asbestos concentration as a. result of
      measurement seriously -flaws- estimates, of risfc from-
      coneentration«?tis»e-risJc curves-.  (See- discussion- on
      p.-C-S,,  "'Asbestos; in, Air,-*', in1, above* cited' DBS*
      publication* }:
           If Epat assumes that the nature;- of the asbestos.
      fibers: in, schoolsi is; siitilar- ta that, in* an, exposed-
              group-,,  th-iss should: be clearly- articulated*.
           conversion- number.- (30) ,. presumably  derived' from
      published^ data,, needs- to- be justified'*

           The? use; of concentration, multiplied by durations
       (cumulative, exposure) as: a measure- of exposure  is  of
      dubious.- merit,.  If possible, some- data--  in which
      individuals are exposed, for fixed times: but at.  ranging:
      concentrations should: be- included.

           SisJc.  estimates-, may also1 be- seriously affected- by-
      conversion- of old-' exposure- data- ta "new" asbestos
      concentrations; with, the- 'use,- of fudge- numbers-.   This.
      should' be, avoided- even, if: some, of the data  base is:
      lost..   It would: be- better to- present two- sets of
      untamp.ered- da-ta to- maintain-, impartiality.

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     8.  Finally, there- should be an, executive- stanmaryv  attached to:
     the final document, which clearly  reflects  the  content of the
     document.

     In addition to these recommendations,  the- Subcommittee also
responded to questions; by the Office of. loxic Substances
(OTS) sent to the Subcommittee prior to the meeting^  The O'ES
ejuestionsr the: Subcommittee responses,  and:  detailed  written
comments on: the Technical. Support, Document  provided  by Dzr. Huth
      are- appended (Appendices &„ Wf. and G)-
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Questions for the' Science; advisory Board, (S&B) by the- Of f Ace-
of Toxic .Substances  (QTS)  Relating to tne:''Technical Support
Document for Regulatory Action Against Friable Asbestos*Containig
Materials in Softool  Buildings" (Draft dated September 1980H
1..   When, smokinf--3pecific data become available from
underlying;  study of: asfeestos insulation workers.
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to, estimate lung cancer- risks1 separately fear sehoo IT occupants
whet da and- do- not smoke*.  Uhe interaction {i.e»* greater	
than* additive, effects) between smoking1 and- asbestosTTiads. to
greatly  increased risks: for exposed smokers.  Tne
of artod'ents who-, smoke can be' estimated; frtanr recent
of smokiag: habits, in: toe tr..S.
     QfES tentatively plans tot- conduct: twa- long; cancer^  _Lj ...... -
          when: the? data arrive^  one asstsning-' the imteraction:
takes;-- place lit as-besta&j-exposed: students: who.- smokre ..and_ .. ____
one assuming- no interaction-.  We would; advise^ decision--makairs;
     the prudent course would: be to adont tii& first
     Cart.- tae. S&B; detessiriner a. more appropriate: way ta inake use
of tte smoklng.-specif ic: datai for: Ittng- cancer; wnen: they becomes
2*   The hazard assessment, contends that, the-: assumption  anon Id'- '- -
be; re-examined, tftat gmokars-, exposed, to asbestos.' are. at no- graatez
risk of. planraX tnesothe-licnn^  than, sijnilarlv- exposed nonsmoJcers^
file  primarY1 source- of data for questioning; thisras'stffliptiQii' is?
the  insulation: workarm study,, thoug-ii- the: evidence is not
persuas'lve on» way or; 'the.- otnes-  at. •ais- tiae--  Given this state-
of the evidence^ waat factors'- wculdi the. SJUS. recommend-  that
OTS-  eonsid'err • in, deciding: whether to. calculate smokii^-specif ie
risk:. est£»a;tesv. foxr p-le-urai' otesotheliomai. when: tfae? data  arriire?

1..  The. current, asseasment maJcas no: attempt, to estimate risks
of" morbidity or mortality front- asbestosis:, even for custodians'.
Can-,  the.: SAB- suggest a- way to • make- such • estimates , perhaps by
use  of- the morbidity data- of  Berry et.. al* for British asbestos-
textile workers?'

4,..  The.- current' assessment makes: no.- attempt: to estimate- risks.
of aonf atal Ci..e* t- success'.fully  treated)  cancer for exposed
school, occupants.  Forr some: types1: • of cancer (e.g*,. cancer of
the  larynx,! r sole dependence-  upon-: mortality data undoubtedly
create*- underestimates of. overa.ll- risk...  To- date. OTS has. not
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_fQund"~case~fataIity ratios  ti.e..,, the- proportion of easel"
"that die- from, 'the- cancers)  that would easily '^Hffile""aftidfi"
"estimates to be made*  The? only relevant data thatT appear1"'      ~
'to" be "available are; 3 -year- aod. 5-year' survival, rates, from
 the* Third, national Cancer Survey.  Can the SAB identify
 case-fatality- ratios- or  develop a- method- to  the use-
 survival rates tor- estimate- increased risks of" eancasr
 morbidity?

" ST.    The preamble; tot the proposed; rule snows, that. & custociiair
 could, easily; double hist  or- her "prevailing; "'  asbestos. exposure
 lay sweeping; foar only S minutes * day>  Other reasonable^
 sceaariosf of this- type; are not presented,, nor" arer risk. es*imates-
 for such. *' typical, individuals^* yet. these are the axpcstire!*
 eacpectad ta'b an. apparent, inconsistency and not.  a. real one*  We
 would appreciate,- • the' .advice- of the-. 335" on how to make- this-
 judgment clear'  to- readers,..
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3.   Of.  the  plausible: dose response curves  that could not be-
dismissed. By providing? a poor, fit to available, dose-response
data, linear regression "usually" leads--  to  the highest:.
predictions:  of increased risk.  This. was- thw rationale for
using linear regressie-a for- the- qtmntitativeririsk estimation-*'
Scientists at, the- Constaner- Product Safety Conmissioa informally
pointed  out.  that when, as- in, the- ease*. of the insulation workers
study,, respons.es exceeds:- 10%, the' one-bit nwSel yields, higher:
risk estimates than linear regression*    _'      •           •

     QTSt has, not yet. applied, th* one-hit model in. this ,
assessment ,  with the under s^tanding- that  risk: estimates- "even
higher; than'  those we- ofatmirxkl msing, linear  regressiom wotrld: not
.alter- regiiiatory decision-majciag;.  H«verthel^s> strict-
adherence to the?' decision criteria laid,  outf in the doctment
would, raqulra Tiding: the one-hit model*   Would; tha SAB. reconmend
applying- the- ona-»hit model- to ootadji the* highest risfc
that cannot, be- gaeudsntly roled out?
$•«   at- th® siaggesitioit of1 one of the esttraims-mi revifflfars., CIS"
poc&usnacL the attached- csdcalatdtoov using* *atftr±batsblai risk*
 Ctha di^'farence fcetwMit observed; and; expected; death' rates front
                  cancars).- instaad." of ther "Tifetwue? risk.*
oteasure.   Aft. shown, in the Attachment, this, technique could ncrt
applied: completely' because of a limitation- in the- readily
available Il*s7~™fi£,etal3le? nevertheless/,  it showed that the
result would; lie within 40%- Q±. the prediction', obtained by the ' *
"'lifetime risk1* metho'd,..  Does the SAB: keiieve* that the attached:
analysis  wc^tM: maite the conclusions in, the. Technical Support:  "
Docrumen-t  elear:er'" and:' more
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Subcommittee Responses^ to Questions' by the. Off ice n of ..Toxic
Substances JOTS)  Relating: to the_jvgechnical Support1' obctMtent for
Regulatory' Action Against Frilt?reirMMgstof-€oiitminincr' Materials in ,.
                         ^      " Sept caber 1980)*.
1.  When" smoking-specif ic data become- available  from the underlying
    study of asbestos; insulation workers, QTS-plans  to estimate lung
   '• cancer  risks separately for school occupants- who- do' and- do not
    smoke*  The  interaction (i.e., greater than  additive' effects)
   • -between- "smoking- and. asbestos- leads, to. greatly  increased risks, fair
    exposed, smokers. The percentage: of- students  who-- -sucker can be
- — estimated  from; recent surveys- of smoking- habits—in, the.- 0,S'* -

         •".  ....   The1 Subcommittee' feels that data are     •  "~~
               available: to- indicate- smoking patterns?
          - .....   among? high school and; elementary, .school.
               students; and; agreed: that there- should- be
       v :.,     some:' evaluation*               ---.:•.      •-..      -

Z+- Th.e- hazard:. assessment, contends, that the assumption, that smokers'  -
    exposed to asbestos-: are- at no.- greater; risk of  pieural--mesottieliama
    than, similarly; exposed, nonsmoJeecp should be  reexamined..  ike
    primary source- of data? for questioning this;  assumption i* the-
    insulation: workers, study r though, the evidence  is- not persuasive
    one* way. or the other: at this- time1*.  Given this- state of; the?
    evidence-/  what factors-, would' the-- SAB recommend- that OTS consider-
    in deciding,  whether to. calculate* smoking-speci'fie risk estimates;.
    for; pleural  mesothe-Iioma when- the- data, arrive?

               None

1*. Ifee- current-  assessment makes no> attempt, to estimate riska of
    morbidity/  or morta-lity from asfaestosis*,> even,' for custodians^.   Can-
    the SAB- suggest m way to. make sucfc estimates^  perhapsi by; use- o£
    the-' morbidity datat o£ Berry &t al. for British asbestos-textile
    workers?-

               Cfely morbidity- dat* should be estimated;-
               foe- both: custodians- and teachers*

4.-  The current  assessment makes--, no attempt to: estimate risks- of
    nonfatal (i.e..,. successfully' treated) cancer for exposed school
    occupants.   Four some' types: of cancer (e..gv fl  cancer of the larynx),
    sole dependence upon mortality data; undoubtedly  creates
    underestimates of overall, risk,  fo date. OTS' has not found ease.— -
    fatality ratios (i-e^,, the proportion of cases, that die from the-
    cancers) that, would easily enable- such, estimates- to- be iaa.de *   The
    only relevant data, 'that, appear to-- be-- available are 3-year and
    5-year/' survival rates from- the- Third: national  Cancer Survey..   Can:
    the? SKB identify case- fatality ratios or- develop a- method- to use-
    survival rates.- to; estimate increased; risks- of  cancer morbidity?

               Thee Subcommittee- suggests* that the-: Agency-
               utilize data available, from the National
               Cancer Institute,.,  Cancers of. the-  colon:
               and rectum- should be considered as well
               as- cancer of. the larynx.


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5. • Use* preamble. to the proposed rule1 shows' tha!i_a custodian could
    easily double his or her  "prevailing*  asSIsfcos exposure- by"" "
    sweeping for only 5 minutes a day..  Other  reasonable scenarios, of
    this, type are not. presented, nor are- risk  estimates, for- swca
    "typical individuals'/""' yet these, are the exposures' expected to. be
    affected most by the. notification provisions- -of1 the rule.  Carc the;
    SAB' recommend, methods for' developing- additional scenarios of peak,
    exposures and estimating the resultant risks to be expected?

              Peak, exposures are of very great importance
              and must be" taken, into- account*   The
              Subcommittee;' suggests that the Agency
              inquire--, whether data, from: MIOSH'  are
              available' and could' be used'  to. estimate
              risk of' asbestosisv lung;  cancerv and'           -  -  , -
              mesotheliomav

S«  The greater remaining life expectancy  of children: exposed to
    asbestos- places them: at. a greater risk, than- similarly exposed:
    adults-*.  Ca». the S&& direct, us to- studies  dealing* with; the- possible
    physiological reasons for: variation lit risic and/or- latency by age?

              The- Subcommittee recommends-  that Dr., Petals-
              comments; be: considered! as well as; the
              Turkish, studies on environmental exposure
              of children..

7,  The document uses, the- observed, number  of deaths among the
    insulation, workers- as recorded' on the 'death certificate for all
    tvpes, of- cancer: other: than;' pleura!  and peritoneal mesothelioma*
    For the; Jiesotfaeliomasv the observed: numbers- based, on all available
    evidence (e?,g>,~ autopsy reports^, review; off Histopathologic
    material,, etc*); are?' used1,, at: the cecoramendation o-f the study's.
    authors and one o£ the OTS extramural  re-viewers^  The reason
    that mesotheliomas- are1 often: misdiagnosed  and,  because the
    expectation- o£ these rare cancers in the- general population is.-
    virtually zero, comparison with expected deaths- would not. be
    adversely affected,  OTS- agrees that this,  is- the appropriate-
    course to- take..

    Nevertheless:, it, is, true that individual deaths are. "doubly
    counted" by this procedure,  persons- whose  death  certificate
    diagnoses of: lung, cancer- were changed  by the researchers to
    pleura! mesothelioma>  in particular.   QTS  views- this "double
    counting" as an- apparent: inconsistency and not a- real one.  We
    would, appreciate the' advice: of. the  SAB. on  how -to make- this
    judgment clear to- readers*

              The Subcommittee,' endorses- the procedure
              that EPA,currently followsv


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8.  Of the- plausible dose response curves that  could not. be dismissed
    by providing a poor fit to available dose-response  data,  linear
    regression "usually* leads to the highest predictions of
    increased risk.  This, was: the. rationale for using linear
    regression for ttie quantitative risk estimation*  Scientists at
    the Consumer Product Safety Commission informally pointed out
    that when, as in the case of the insulation workers study r
    responses'- exceed- 10%r the one-hit model yields higher risk,
    estimates than; linear regression*

    OTS has not yet applied the one-hit model in this
    assessment,, with the- understanding that, risk estimates even
    higher than those we1 obtained, using: linear  regression, would
    not alter regulatory deeisionmakingv

    Nevertheless, strict adherence, to the decision criteria
    laid out in the document: would require using the one-hit
    model »  fltould; the SAB recommend-, applying: the? one-hit model.
    to obtain-, the highest risk estimates; that cannot be*
    prudently ruled oat 7
                  Subcommittee recommends* us*- o£  three-
              ntodels> all of which: will be base<£  upon.
              qualitative epidemiologies!, data;,   the
              linear- model, the one-hit model,, and: the
              WedbulX model*

    At. the-' suggestion' of one.' of the extramural reviewers,  OTS
    performed calculations using "attributable risk."  (the
    <-.:;if f erence' between" observed and" expected death, rates, front'
    asbestos-related: cancers) instead" of-,  the-  "'lifetime- risk1*"
    j'v'easure*  ISi-iS" technique could; not. be applied completely
    •Because of a limitation:- ia the readily available O*.S'»
    lifetable-f nevertheless'-/ it showed;- that the- result would'.
    lie within^ 40%. of the prediction- obtained by  the "'lifetime
    risk*-- method*  Does the SAB; believe that the  attached
    analysis would- make; the- conclusions* in4, the Technical.
    Support Document clearer and? more- supportable?
                 ; Subcommittee: believes, that: the
              attached- analysis does- make the
              conclusions in. the technical, support
              document clearer and more-
              supportable-.

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               COMMENTS by  0r.  Ruth Lilis m
       "Technical Support Document for Regulatory Action
         [TSCA.:  Section 6(a-> 3 Against friable- Asbestos-
        Containing Materials. 133: School Buildings"
               (Draft, dated' September 1980)


g3g. AMD PEESlffCa Of FRIABLE ASBESTOS. CONTAINING MATERIALS IF SCHOOLS

Page; 7,  It  Is act: clear how the-EPA estimated- the' number- of public-
         schools' with friable asbestos-containing materials*  It
         Is,  indicated: that  out  of the 768 school districts* which
         responded, to the. survey (these- represented SIS' of the
         nation fs: total)» there: were> S422 (out af a total of
         737S schools) built OT* renovated after* 1945,  5797
         schools; were Inspected and 1.919 (or* 33% of these) were1
         identified;' as- having; friable asbestos-containing;
         mat aria-Is--.

         Since 1016?. schools were- identified: out of a. sample-
         representing: &%• of the nation's- schools-, it. Is. unclear
         how the- final estimate- o£ 8545' was-- reached1*  There- naiS-t
         ha.ve> been, additional elements entering; this projection,
         and! this is  aa insrortant issue which should be fully
         presented'.,

ASSESSMENT OF RISE F10M ASSggTPS'.^M,. SCHOOLS

a*  , Hazard Assessment

     Page 18-,, last paragraph-*

         there is? no,  convincing: evidence1 Indicating that smoking:
         Increase.^' the risfc of"  developing' asbestosls1*

b*   Pleural and" Peritoneal Meso_thelioma

     Pager 22.

         In estimating- potential risk for asbestos-related
         disease in school,  children,  teachers- and other
         employee*; exposed',  in. schools,, the major efflphasis. should
         be- on mesotheliomav since this  adverse effect has
         clearly been."associated-with low levels of exposure,.
         such as.' household,  exposure- and; neighborhood exposure*
         Another' body of information could be used In evaluating
         the risk for' mesothe-lloma.   Several reports from. Turkey
         have Indicated the occurrence of numerous cases of
         mesothelloraa with,  environmental" exposure to asbestos,
         present in'outcroppings- of rocks in various areas of
         the country.... 'The- use>.  of  such mate.rials- for whitewash
         of dwellings or-as construction m terial seeds to be
         the major' source'' of exposure,- to- the general population.
         Attached are copies'of relevant publications on endemic
         mesothelioma in Turkey*

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cv   Asbestos is

     Page 32
         The definition: of asbestosis does  not include the
         severity criterion*.  Asbestosis- is the interstitial
         pulmonary fibrosis due  to  inhalation of asbestos
         fibers-  The pathologic process- can-' progress from early
         and slight, changes,  to  more  marked:, abnormalities and
         eventually to severe abnormal i ties-*,  to restrict the
         definition of asbestosis to  the * severest- £orm!L is. ...... _.
     Page 33. » end of* first paragraph,,  to- be- changed:
          IF
           • «..». r, f.
             individuals  have- to- be examined for- radiologic
    and clinical abnormalities*"  The radiologic method- is
    th^ single most, important one for the diagnosis of
    pneumQCoaloses?  ia geaera-1,  and- fair asbestosis; Lit
    particular*

Pag.e 34--,  second, paragraphs

    There: is; general agreement»  at present,, that asbestos!?
    is- not to, be-- restricted for "advanced stages? of- the
    disease-" or for "certified,"" asbestos is*

Page 39.,

    It is difficult to- understand why the highly
    questionable definitions, fotr "possible asbestosis11 and,
    "ceft.if.ied: asbestosis"  (McTittie,  1965) are used*.  The
    atteop't  to; construct dose—response relationships', for
    three- different definitions of asbes-tosi.s. is- of little
    relevances

Paga- 39",  last paragrapii*.

    With, asbestos exposure1- i* the lower rajts^»^-stich- .as-ia _.
    household exposure,  the- arast prevalent abnonaa-lities:
    are pleural flbros.is and pleural calcifications,-  Such-
    abnormalities- occur  often in the- absence of definite
    parenchynjal changes  (interstitial  fibrosis),  and they
    can be- quite extensive*  With environmental asbestos
    exposure, such  as that  reported- from Turkey,  pleura!
    abnormalities'' (pleural  fibrosis-,  pleural calcifications
    and pleural effusions)  are  to be found with a- higher
    prevalence than radiogrsphically  detectable-
    interstitial pulmonary  fibrosis,.

Page 42,. las-t. paragraph...

    The conclusion  should indicate that,  based on the
    available  information on effects;  of non-occupational
    asbestos exposure, there is  a, high, probability for
    pleural abnormalities-  to occur- asv a. result of exposure
    in school buildings*

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d.   Factors- that Modify  the-Risk of   sbestos-^-Inducad Disease
     Page-'49*

         While there  is- no, doubt that smoking: affects mortality
         rates of patients- with  asbestosis,  this, does- not
         warrant the-  statement "Smoking, may also.- be an important
         factor in increasing  an individual's susceptibility to
         asbestosAs*."  There is- no convincing evidence- to-- prove
         this* '

     page- 49v  -

    ....	'laer* is no  effect, of smoking on- the- incidence' of
         mesotheliomav  The- 
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                                                               4.
     Is t ima te of Prevalent Exposures-.
     Page* 65,, first  paragraph.

         The criteria- outlined, as reasons^ for accepting tiata
         from Sebastien et al,.  are understood aot to have- been
         fulfilled: by U.S*  studies oa schools..  It. would  be-
         appropriate to present more- detailed, comments on the
         reasons, for which  the  U.S. studies did aot fulfill
         these- criteria.

f *   Risk Assessment

     Selection of the- Underlying Study

     Page. 73*.

         Under the attributes that make- the- selected study ,
         (Selikof£: et al..,  Hammond et. al*)' suitable- to be taken
         as a basis;  for making; (juantitative- estimates- of  risk
         the following;- I* listed:
               of" the disease* idea-titled as- hazards, of asbestos:
                  was; investigated; and1, was-- found to be- in
                   Tteis- isr ia itself',. no.t: necessa-pily an:
         attribute making; the- study under consideration more1
         appropriate- as, e basis for estimation- of risk of
         exposure ia schools.,
     Asbestos: Bgppsur_g-_. Among the Insulation Workers-

     Page 77*
         The concept of "wasted"" exposure is
         not at. a-li.  helpful*  I suggest: the phrase ""asbestos;
         exposure- not affecting: outcome'1' be used.

     Increased HjLstfc.. Ataong: the Asbestos- Insula.tign^_¥orkers^

     Page 81*
              PA definition  of "lifetime- risk11 is unclear
         (as- presented-' in the text,  this-- is "excess risk,1* but
         not "lifetime -risk"')*         ,          ---- ....... ---------

     Asbestos_J|xpQgurQ- in- School's-

     Page S3*

         the assumption is. made that, the average student is
         first -exposed' at age 1.2*.

     Page 84, first  paragraph..

         It  is- then - estimated that, for students-- the- prevalent
         concentration has to be multiplied by "15 work years.11
         It  is: rather difficult to. understand how this- IS fears
         figure- was  chosen..

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              The- paragraph on page 34, providing  background
              information on  the- reasoning  followed,  is from a
              biological, point of view, highly questionable.
3.   Final Comments
                  extrapolation  (or Intrapolation)  from- a high
              exposure1 group,  to assess  risks of  low level exposure,
              is fraught with  inherent difficulties,  especially when
              the extrapolation,  covers, exposure levels approximately
              four orders of magnitude apart*   The  majott...rls3c.^jut --
              lowest known asbestos exposure,,  is  mesothelioma..   The
              numerous cases of  mesotheliomas  in  family.._membejis^-a-f ___
              asbestos workers,  with neighborhood exposure and with
              environmental exposure-, strongly, indicate that a risfc
              of developing mesothelioim as: a result of exposure.- in
              schools ist real.
              I agree* with; most of"  the* comments by Petov  and witht
              suggestions; for the- assessment of health hazards:- due- to
              asbestos, exposure1 in1  schools..

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