MEETING SUMMARY
NACEPT Superfund Subcommittee
September 3-5, 2003
Wyndham City Center Hotel
Washington D.C.
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September, 2003
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NACEPT Superfund Subcommittee
September 3-5, 2003
Washington D.C.
The Superfund Subcommittee of the National Advisory Council for Environmental
Policy and Technology (NACEPT) held its sixth meeting September 3-5, 2003 in
Washington D.C. This document summarizes discussion topics and key decisions made
during the meeting. The meeting was open to the public and audio recorded. Interested
individuals and members of the press were present as observers. The Subcommittee's
agenda designated several opportunities for public comment. A written transcript was
prepared and is available through the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Docket
#SFUND-2002-0005. Angelo Carasea, the Designated Federal Officer (DFO), is the
primary point of contact for all public and press inquiries.
The September 2003 meeting was intended to accomplish the following objectives:
•	Provide an opportunity for the Subcommittee to review and discuss the August 03
draft report.
•	Engage the full Subcommittee in discussions regarding the draft
recommendations.
•	Identify any gaps in the recommendations being considered by the Subcommittee.
•	Revise the schedule for the development of the Subcommittee's report.
•	Provide an opportunity for public comment.
Welcome from the Subcommittee Chair
Dr. Raymond Loehr, Chairman of the Subcommittee, opened the meeting and welcomed
the Subcommittee members. He introduced John Ehrmann, the lead facilitator for the
group, from Meridian Institute. Dr. Loehr summarized the Subcommittee's charge, its
activity since the fourth meeting and the goals for the sixth meeting. The Introductory
Statement was available as a handout and is included in Attachment A.
Welcome from EPA
Marianne Horinko, Acting Administrator of EPA, welcomed the Subcommittee and
thanked them for their ongoing commitment to their charge. She reaffirmed the Agency's
support for the work of the Subcommittee and their commitment to implementing the
recommendations that result from this effort. Steps are already being made within the
Agency to prepare for implementing the recommendations being developed by the
Subcommittee. She emphasized the Agency's strong preference for a document that
represents the consensus of the Subcommittee and recognized the value of presenting
clearly articulated options on topics where consensus does not exist.
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Introduction of the Revised Draft Report
John Ehrmann introduced the revised August 03 draft report and explained the major
changes in comparison to the June 03 version. Key changes included:
•	Removal of all the recommendations for studies and evaluations
•	Removal of the Key Assumptions section
•	Removal of the background information for all the sections to simplify and
shorten the document.
Dr. Ehrmann explained that the overall approach for this revision was to develop a
clearer and paired-down document, making the recommendations more accessible, so that
the Subcommittee could more readily debate the issues and determine where consensus
can be achieved.
Group Discussion of Draft Report
Discussion of the draft report began on Wednesday and continued through Friday
morning. The group agreed that there were still a lot of issues to be discussed and
resolved. Some individuals felt that the revised outline is good and that it would be
worthwhile to go through the language and identify which recommendations reflect
consensus and which ones do not. Some members believed that the report over
represented the areas of consensus. Some members expressed an interest in integrating
more of the radical ideas that had been proposed. Concerns were raised about
inconsistencies in the document.
Details of the discussion are available in the meeting transcript through the DFO. Key
decisions are summarized below.
Background and Charge
The group agreed to changes in the Background and Charge section. More detail will be
added to the description of the Subcommittee's revision to the charge and how the
Subcommittee framed the issues before it.
NPL Recommendations
Additional background and context will be added to the introduction of the section with
explanations of the following issues:
The NPL should represent true national priorities, but:
•	A range of views exists on what types of risks should be highest priority for the NPL.
•	A range of views exists on funding needs and sources.
•	A range of views exists on how the NPL should be used. For example:
-	Only list sites you can fund (and address implications)
-	List all the sites with a legitimate HRS score of 28.5 (and address implications)
-	Identify a middle road.
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The NPL section will be further modified by clarifying the issue and problem being
addressed. Recommendation 1 from the August 03 draft report will likely be removed.
The following organization will be used as a starting point for the section redrafting:
1.	How to reduce the number of sites needing cleanup?
2.	How to make the best listing decisions?
3.	How to set priorities when prioritization is needed?
4.	How to increase efficiency/resources for the program?
5.	How to increase transparency?
Mega Sites
Additional background and context will be added to the introduction of the section with
elaboration on the issues with defining "mega sites" and describing the nature of the
funding concern (blip or ongoing). Clarification of the issue or problem statement and
corresponding recommendations will be provided to address the following questions:
1.	How to address the funding concern (is there one)?
2.	How to manage large, complex sites to most efficiently achieve appropriate
cleanups?
3.	Should special attention be paid to managing these sites?
Measuring Program Progress
As with the other sections of the report, additional background and context will be added
to the introduction of the section. Additional changes to the MPP section agreed to
include the following:
•	Integrate the substance of the Performance Profile recommendations (from the June
03 draft) back into the text.
•	Link recommendations from the rest of the report into this section so that we are
recommending that the Program be measured on the same principles and priorities set
in other recommendations.
•	Further develop the ideas in the institutional coordination recommendation.
Discussion of Timing of Subcommittee Report
Throughout the discussions of the draft report, a number of Subcommittee members
raised strong concerns that the Subcommittee would not be able to adequately meet its
charge in the amount of time allotted by EPA. Subcommittee members requested that the
Subcommittee chair raise these concerns with EPA leadership and request that the
Agency extend the deadline for the Subcommittee report past December 2003. The
Subcommittee chair acknowledged these concerns and agreed to transmit them to EPA.
Discussion of NACEPT Council review of the draft report
On Friday, the Subcommittee was reminded that the full NACEPT Council had asked for
a briefing on their progress at their next meeting (September 24, 2003). The Chair was
scheduled to appear before the Council to present the draft report. His plan was to focus
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on the August 03 version and not attempt to revise the message significantly because
written comments were still being submitted.
Public Comment
No public comments were made. Public Comment was received in writing from the
National Mining Association and was posted to the Subcommittee website and circulated
to the Subcommittee members.
Next steps
On Friday, the Subcommittee discussed a proposed path forward for producing the next
draft of the report and agreed to a series of specific next steps.
Key next steps include the following.
•	Comments on the August 03 Draft Report were due to Meridian by September 12.
•	September and October will be used to refine the draft and develop additional
sections of the report. Meridian/Ross will coordinate the involvement of
Subcommittee members in these efforts upon request and based on comments
made on the draft report. Conference calls will be scheduled as necessary to
refine specific sections of the report.
•	The next draft of the report will be circulated to the Subcommittee prior to the
next meeting.
•	Meridian/Ross will investigate the options for follow-up on the ATSDR and
institutional coordination issues. Interim meetings and or conference calls will be
considered.
Key elements of the approach to producing the next draft of the report include the
following:
•	The next iteration of the report will be modified based on comments received
from Subcommittee members in the meeting and in writing.
•	Minor changes will be made to the existing organization of the report. The
following main section headings will be used as a starting place for reorganizing
the report:
1.
Executive summary
2.
Subcommittee members
3.
Introduction from the chair
4.
Background and charge to the Subcommittee
5.
Use of the NPL
6.
Mega sites
7.
Measuring program progress
8.
Other issues and concerns
• Additional context and background will be added (including description of current
practices/status quo) throughout the report. A discussion of the implications of
the ranges of views and recommendations will also be added where needed. Most
existing recommendations will be carried forward. The text will be revised to
better clarify where consensus exists and in the cases where it does not exist, a
range of views will be presented. The following categories of information will be
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used as a starting place for reorganizing the recommendations sections:
¦	Background and context
¦	Issue / problem statements - topic areas will be presented in parallel to
subsequent recommendation sections
¦	Recommendation followed by amplifying information
Next Meetings
The next meeting of the Subcommittee will be held in Washington D.C., November 5-7,
2003. The meeting agenda will be focused on review, comment and deliberation over the
revised draft of the Subcommittee report. The agenda will be structured to emphasize
areas the Subcommittee has identified as needing additional deliberation. Meridian/Ross
will make final decisions on those areas based on Subcommittee comments on the draft
report. Preliminary topics identified include: mega sites, funding and efficiencies, and
the institutional coordination issues. A morning session is being developed for
Wednesday, November 5th to respond to members' requests. The agenda will likely start
around 9:00 am on Wednesday, November 5th and end between noon and 2:00 pm on
Friday, November 7th.
An additional meeting of the Subcommittee is planned in the Washington DC area for
December 9-11, 2003.
The Subcommittee meeting adjourned at approximately 12:35 p.m. on Friday, September
5, 2003.
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ATTACHMENTS
A.	Meeting Introductory Information
B.	List of Presentations and Handouts
C.	List of Subcommittee Members and Staff in Attendance
D.	List of Observers
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Attachment A - Meeting Introductory Information
Introductory Information
NACEPT Superfund Subcommittee
September 3-5, 2003 Meeting
The Superfund Subcommittee of the National Advisory Council for Environmental
Policy and Technology (NACEPT) was established in June 2002 for the purpose of
assisting EPA in identifying the future direction of the Superfund Program in the context
of other federal and state waste and site cleanup programs. Specifically, the
Subcommittee will review the relevant documentation and, to the extent possible, provide
answers to questions that relate to: a) the role of the NPL, b) mega sites, and c)
measuring program performance. The Subcommittee will operate as, and be subject to,
the requirements of a Federal Advisory Committee.
Membership on the committee represents a diversity of interests. Subcommittee
members include senior-level decision-makers and experts from: academia, business and
industry, community and environmental advocacy groups, state, local and tribal
governments, environmental justice, and non-governmental and professional
organizations. Dr. Raymond Loehr, Professor of Civil Engineering at the University of
Texas in Austin, is the chair of the Subcommittee.
The Subcommittee is working to accomplish its Charge through quarterly Subcommittee
meetings and interim Work Group meetings over about an 18-month period. It is
anticipated that a consensus report will result from the Subcommittee deliberations.
However, where consensus cannot be reached, a written discussion of the views of
Subcommittee members will be provided. As appropriate, the Subcommittee may also
respond to issues in the form of "consultation," i.e., dialogue, rather than a formal written
report.
Interactive discussion and questioning for the purpose of probing an issue and clarifying
a point will be encouraged. As such, any material developed by a Subcommittee
member(s), any presentations by a Subcommittee member(s), or comments made by
Subcommittee members at this and future meetings should neither be interpreted to
reflect the current Subcommittee position on the subject under discussion, nor their future
position as it may evolve over the course of deliberation. Additionally, the comments of
an individual Subcommittee member should not be interpreted as positions of the EPA.
The Subcommittee will deliberate thoroughly before developing consensus findings,
conclusions or recommendations. Any report on the opinion of the group will undergo
rigorous review by all Subcommittee members before it is considered final and
transmitted to EPA.
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Subcommittee Meetinss
To-date, the Subcommittee has held five meetings. Three were held in Washington D.C.
(June 17-19, 2002; September 23-24, 2002 and January 7-8, 2003), one was held in
Phoenix, AZ on March 12-14, 2003, and one was held in New Bedford, MA on June 17-
19, 2003. A summary of the meetings can be obtained via the EPA website at
(http://www.epa.gov/oswer/SFsub.htm). Highlights from the most recent meeting are
included below.
June 2003 Meeting
The NACEPT Superfund Subcommittee held its fifth meeting June 17 through 19, 2003
in New Bedford, Massachusetts. The meeting was open to the public. The main
purposes of the meeting included the following:
•	Provide an opportunity for the Subcommittee to review and discuss the
preliminary draft report (June 03).
•	Engage the full Subcommittee in discussions regarding preliminary findings and
recommendations developed by the writing teams, creating teams and work
groups.
•	Provide input from EPA Region 1, the state of Massachusetts and the Town of
New Bedford regarding the New Bedford Harbor and related sites.
•	Provide input from representatives of Environmental Justice communities.
•	Establish a schedule for the development of the Subcommittee's report.
•	Provide an opportunity for public comment.
•	Provide Subcommittee members an opportunity to visit a large complex sediment
site.
Summary of Activity Since Last Meeting
Efforts during the period of time between the June, 2003 and September, 2003 meetings
concentrated on reviewing and revising the Draft Report. Additionally, some
Subcommittee members participated in work group efforts to address the questions that
arose in New Bedford regarding the following issues:
•	The HRS,
•	The role of the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry and National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences,
•	Tribal and Community Coordination and
•	Budget for the Superfund Program.
Objectives of the September 3-5, 2003 Meeting
The September 3-5, 2003 meeting in Washington D.C. is intended to accomplish the
following objectives:
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•	Provide an opportunity for the Subcommittee to review and discuss the August 03
draft report.
•	Engage the full Subcommittee in discussions regarding recommendations.
•	Identify any gaps in the recommendations being considered by the Subcommittee
•	Revise the schedule for the development of the Subcommittee's report.
•	Provide an opportunity for public comment.
This is an open session for public record. Interested individuals and members of the
press have been invited to attend as observers. The Subcommittee will be entertaining
questions from the floor during the designated times on the agenda. Angelo Carasea, the
Designated Federal Officer, will be available to assist reporters and other interested
individuals who would like additional information. His contact information is available
on the Roster at the registration table.
Future Meetings
Future meetings of the Subcommittee are planned in the Washington D.C. area as
follows:
•	November 5-7
•	December 9-11
A third day was added to the original schedule for each of these meetings. It is
anticipated that the agendas will start around 1:00 pm on the first day and end between
noon and 3:00 PM on the third day.
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Attachment B - Presentations and Handouts
The following presentations and handouts are available electronically
as separate documents:
1.	Subcommittee Charge
2.	August 03 Draft Subcommittee Report
3.	Next Steps Presentation
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Attachment C - List of Subcommittee Members and Staff in Attendance
Subcommittee Members
Raymond Loehr - Chairman
University of Texas at Austin
Sue Briggum
Waste Management
Doris Cellarius
Sierra Club
Grant Cope
Earthjustice
Richard Dewling
Dewling Associates, Inc.
Steve Elbert
BP America, Inc.
Jane Gardner
General Electric
Glen Hammer
Ashland, Inc.
Dolores Herrera
Environmental Justice
Robert Hickmott
Smith-Free Group
Aimee Houghton
Center for Public Environmental
Oversight
Ken Jock
St. Regis Mohawk Tribe
Frederick Kalisz
City of New Bedford
Gary King
State of Illinois
Ed Lorenz
Alma College
Mildred McClain
Harambee House, Inc.
Michael Mittelholzer
National Association of Home Builders
Tom Newlon
Stoel Rives
Lindene Patton
Zurich North America
Victoria Peters
State of Colorado
Kate Probst
Resources for the Future
Catherine Sharp
State of Oklahoma
Alexandra Shultz
Mineral Policy Center
Mel Skaggs
InDepth Environmental Associates
Richard Stewart
New York University School of Law
Wilma Subra
Louisiana Environmental Action
Network
Michael Tilchin
CH2M Hill
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Jason White
Cherokee Nation
Robin Wiener
Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries
Designated Federal Officer
Angelo Carasea
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
EPA Representatives
Barry Breen
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Phyllis Harris
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Lawrence Starfield
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Facilitation Staff
Meridian Institute - Dillon, CO
John Ehrmann
Molly Mayo
Ross & Associates Environmental
Consulting, Ltd.
Elizabeth McManus
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Attachment D - List of Observes and Public Comments
NACEPT Superfund Subcommittee
June 17-18, New Bedford, MA
Public Comment:
NMA - Written comments circulated & posted on Subcommittee website
Public Observers:
1.
Scott Alfonse
12.
Kerry Kelly

City of New Bedford

American Chemistry Council
2.
Steve Caldwell
13.
Stephen Langel

U.S. EPA

IWP News
3.
Patricia Casano
14.
Alice Ludington

GE

U.S. EPA
4.
William Chantry
15.
Jean Martin

DynCorp

BP
5.
Paul Conner
16.
Robert Myers

EPA

EPA
6.
Carolyn Copper
17.
Paul Nadeau

U.S. EPA

U.S. EPA
7.
Rod Dwyer
18.
Meredith Preston

NMA

BNA
8.
Linda Eaton
19.
P.S. Sarin

Morgan Lewis

George Washington University
9.
Tom Edikson
20.
Kris Swanson

SABW LLP

ASTSWMO
10.
Lisa Gover
21.
Guy Tomassani

NTEC

U.S. EPA
11.
Steven Jones
22.
Victoria Van Roden

AT SDR

EPA
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23.	Rosemary Wisniewski
DynCorp
24.	Sidney Wolf
EMS
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