Federal Advisory Committee Act

Clean Air Act Advisory Committee

Crystal Gateway Marriott
1700 Richmond Highway
Arlington, Virginia 22202
November 7, 2019

Introduction, Opening Session

Mr. Larry Weinstock opened the meeting at 8:45 am on November 7, 2019 and welcomed the
Clean Air Act Advisory Committee (CAAAC) members. Mr. Weinstock then reviewed the
meeting agenda (see Table 1).

Table 1. <

^AAAC Meeting Agenda: November 7, 2019

Time

Topic

8:45-9:00

Opening Session

9:00-9:45

OAR Overview & Update on Priorities

9:45 - 10:30

Ethylene Oxide

10:30-10:45

Break

10:45 - 11:30

Transboundary Air Pollution Analysis

11:30-12:45

Lunch

12:45 - 1:30

Woodstoves

1:30-2:30

Oil and Gas NSPS Update

2:30-2:45

Break

2:45-3:30

Regulatory Update from the Office of Transportation
and Air Quality

3:30-4:30

OTAQ Partnership Programs

4:30-5:00

Public Comments

Mr. John Shoaff, Director of the EPA's Office of Air Policy and Program Support, also welcomed
everyone to the meeting and began introductions of meeting participants. A list of meeting
attendees is provided in the Appendix. Presentations are posted online at the CAAAC website:

https://www.epa.eov/caaac/2019-epa-clean-air-act-advisory-committee-meetine.

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OAR Overview & Update on Priorities

Ms. Anne Idsal welcomed the meeting participants. She stated that she appreciated the input,
participation, and expertise the CAAAC members bring to the Committee and that she looks
forward to their assistance in identifying future topics of interest. She began by giving an
example of the useful work that has been produced as a result of CAAAC input, which is the
Agency's progress in coordinating with state, local, and tribal agencies on the use of remote air
quality sensor data. She then provided an overview of the Office of Air and Radiation's (OAR)
current priorities and recent successes.

Ms. Idsal began by discussing the finalization of the Affordable Clean Energy (ACE) rule, noting
that EPA set the best system of emissions reductions (or, BSER) for existing coal-fired power
plants and states set standards of performance since they are best positioned to understand the
particular circumstances within their borders. Under this rule, States will develop plans that fall
within the EPA's guidelines, and power-producing facilities will comply with the state plans.
Secondly, she stated OAR's desire to finalize the rule on mercury and air toxics standards
(MATS) by the end of the year. She elaborated that the proposal aims to correct flaws in the
2016 supplemental proposal and to confirm that no changes are needed to the proposed emission
limits, emphasizing that there are no proposed changes to the existing emission limits. In terms
of the New Source Performance Standards (NSPS), Ms. Idsal stated that there are proposed
changes for the oil and gas NSPS consisting of two actions to remove duplication of the EPA and
state requirements, with the goal of reducing burden on the regulated industry and streamlining
the process. She noted that the public comment period remains open until November 25, and the
EPA hopes to receive substantive comments to strengthen the rule. The EPA aims to issue a final
rulemaking on this topic within the coming months.

The current priorities for vehicles and fuels, as discussed by Ms. Idsal, include the Safer
Affordable Fuel Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule, which the EPA is working on with the National
Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). The Cleaner Trucks Initiative (CTI) and
Renewable Fuel Standards (RFS) also remain priorities. Ms. Idsal noted the opportunity for the
EPA to receive input on revisiting the heavy-duty NOx standards, and that they are looking for
opportunities to reduce idling times in places where there are high levels of ozone and NOx. She
anticipated that an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPRM) would be released on
these topics soon.

With regards to the National Ambient Air Quality Standards (NAAQS), Ms. Idsal stated that the
EPA is looking towards significant regulatory reform for how several of the NAAQS are
implemented, and that the EPA is reviewing the current ozone and particulate matter NAAQS
and plans to meet the five-year statutory deadline. She also noted that the EPA is working
diligently alongside states to reduce nonattainment areas across the country from 166 areas to
101 areas by 2022.

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Ms. Idsal discussed the EPA's current directive to improve the efficiency of the New Source
Review (NSR) program. She also discussed ethylene oxide (EtO), noting that there are two rules
in process - one is a rule for commercial sterilization facilities and the other is for facilities
subject to the Miscellaneous Organic National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants
(MON), to determine whether stricter emissions limits are needed for industries that emit EtO.
She mentioned that the EPA is also working on how to best communicate risk with communities
and plans to engage with regional, state, and local health agencies to help promote broader
understanding and awareness of the state of the science on EtO exposure.

To conclude her overview, Ms. Idsal relayed to the group that the next CAAAC meeting is
planned for late spring 2020, and then she welcomed questions from meeting attendees.

Comments and Discussion

Rev. Mitchell Hescox asked how the EPA plans to reach attainment for ozone in Pennsylvania,
Texas and California, when the Agency is deregulating methane emissions from oil and natural
gas production. He registered his concern about eliminating the regulations on methane
emissions overall as well as the complications this would pose for ozone attainment. Ms. Idsal
responded that, because methane is already reduced by rules that control volatile organic
compounds (VOC), the EPA does not believe deregulating methane will lead to an increase in
those emissions. She continued by saying that the EPA welcomes data, comments, and thoughts
on the impact of the proposed requirements on methane emissions. Ms. Idsal also noted that the
EPA has engaged with the oil and gas industry, and as methane is a marketable commodity, oil
and gas operators share the goal of reducing methane and VOC emissions.

Rev. Hescox mentioned that the Bureau of Land Management has plainly stated that it will not
be considering public comments on its actions regarding methane, and he hopes the EPA will not
take this position regarding public comments. Ms. Idsal replied that the Clean Air Act (CAA)
requires the EPA to consider comments on its proposed actions, the Agency has a long track
record of doing so, and it plans to continue to do so for its proposed actions.

Mr. Frank Prager stated that he represents a public utility that is currently undergoing a sizeable
transition in their energy mix. He asked how the utility industry should handle coal units that are
retiring, noting that there is confusion about which retrofits will be necessary under the ACE
rule. He also noted that there are differences in state timelines that go beyond the ACE timeline.
Ms. Idsal responded that the final rule recognizes that there are some timeline differences, and
she encourages states and industries to inform the EPA about where the timelines differ so the
EPA can work with the states, where possible, in implementing the rule.

Mr. Dan Greenbaum commented that, even recognizing the Clean Air Act requirements, EPA's
plan of staying on a five-year timeline to update the PM and ozone standards may make it
impossible to have a thoughtful review of the science, and the EPA should consider ensuring the
standards are based on scientific review that will stand up to scrutiny, even if that might mean a
timeline is not met.

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Ms. Kimberly Scarborough asked if Ms. Idsal could provide any updates on the Cross-State Air
Pollution Rule (CSAPR). Ms. Idsal responded that the EPA Office of Air and Radiation (OAR)
is working closely with the Office of General Counsel (OGC) on the status of CSAPR. She noted
the disjointed nature of the rule but elaborated that the EPA is trying to be very strategic moving
forward.

Ms. Vickie Sullivan noted, regarding the ACE rule, that substantial latitude is granted to the
states and asked if the EPA plans to issue any guidance for states. Ms. Idsal responded that she is
unsure of whether the EPA will issue guidance, explaining that the EPA is planning to watch and
see where there are common regulatory themes among states and then look for opportunities to
develop tools to address those common themes.

Mr. Bob Wyman also asked about the ACE rule, stating that the Agency has chosen to be
restrictive in its statute, which puts an enormous premium on the EPA taking a fresh look at how
states choose to achieve reductions. He continued by saying that it is critically important that the
EPA allows states and regions the flexibility to decide what works best for them. He also
commented that he looks forward to working with the EPA on the CTI. In terms of the SAFE
rule, he urged the EPA to meet with stakeholders and create one national standard that will allow
for innovation.

Mr. Tim Hunt commented that industry welcomes the common sense approach the EPA is
bringing to the NSR permitting program for the manufacturing sector. He noted that the complex
nature of the program creates difficulties for getting projects permitted and further EPA actions
to streamline the program would be welcome.

Mr. Donald Peters He stated that concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) emit
ammonia and hydrogen sulfide and that in 2005, the EPA published a finalized consent
agreement that required agricultural industries to collect and analyze emissions data for the
purpose of regulatory development. He asked what the EPA's plans are for including the results
of this data gathering in the establishment of standards related to animal feeding operations. Ms.
Idsal responded that she invites Mr. Peters to join EPA staff for a briefing on the evolution of
this issue and how the EPA hopes to work with states moving forward on these standards.

Mr. Andrew Hoekzema commended EPA for their commitment to reaching their goal of a five-
year timeframe for the NAAQS standards, even if they are unable to complete a thorough
review. He then asked about the designation process, whether the EPA will be revising
designations in the Austin, Texas area, and whether the EPA will be issuing guidance around
designations. He also commented that the closure of coal plants in rural areas has shifted some of
that energy production to older, cheaper peaker plants in urban areas. He encouraged the EPA to
spend time examining this issue.

Ms. Nancy Kruger agreed with previous comments made by Mr. Greenbaum regarding the
NAAQS.

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Ms. Gillian Mittelstaedt noted her support for replicating the cook stove policy for wood heating,
citing the negative health impacts of wood smoke that are now being compounded by exposure
to forest fire smoke in some parts of the country.

Ethylene Oxide Presentation

Mr. Mike Koerber gave a presentation about the air issues associated with the pollutant ethylene
oxide (EtO). He stated that EtO is one of the 187 pollutants known as "air toxics" that the EPA
regulates under the CAA, noting that it is both an extremely toxic chemical and a very important
chemical in our society (e.g., it is used to sterilize about half of all medical devices that need to
be sterilized). In reference to the most recent National Air Toxics Assessment (NATA) issued in
August 2018, he said that the EPA identified several geographical areas as potentially having
elevated cancer risks from long-term exposure to EtO. Sources of EtO include chemical
manufacturing and commercial sterilization. To respond to this public health threat, the EPA
designed a two-pronged strategy. Mr. Koerber described the first prong as a review of CAA
regulations for facilities that emit EtO to ensure they protect the public from significant risk, and
he described the second prong as an information gathering operation on EtO emissions for areas
with higher risk. Currently, there are two reviews in progress for the first prong - review of the
National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants (NESHAP) for Miscellaneous
Organic Chemical Manufacturing (the "MON") and the NESHAP for Commercial Sterilizers. In
terms of national rulemaking efforts, Mr. Koerber noted that there is (or soon will be) a Notice of
Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) out for the MON and an ANPRM for commercial sterilizers.
Additionally, he stated that state and local agencies have reviewed emissions, reduced emissions,
conducted ambient monitoring, and/or engaged local communities in higher risk areas. The EPA
is working alongside other federal agencies to arrive at a safe and sensible solution for
addressing EtO emissions.

Comments and Discussion

Mr. Hoekzema noted that he did not see the Occupations Safety and Health Administration
(OSHA) listed as one of the agencies the EPA is working with on EtO and asked if the EPA was
working with the labor community, since they are exposed to EtO while working. Mr. Koerber
responded that the EPA's authority under the CAA is to regulate outdoor air and has so far
worked with other agencies with jurisdiction over outdoor air, but he acknowledged that this
issue needs to be addressed, and OSHA will be included at some point.

Mr. Jason Howanitz cautioned that due to the inherent errors in NATA that it sometimes
overstates risks and therefore can unnecessarily cause alarm in a community when the EPA tries
to communicate risk. Instead, EPA should use NATA as it is intended as a screening tool and
then verify the risk with monitoring which in many cases reflects a much different risk. Mr.
Howanitz stated that NATA is a screening tool but is not reliable when assessing a specific risk
past a regional scale. Mr. Howanitz emphasized the concern with not relying on actual ambient
air data to categorize actual risk for air toxics. Mr. Howanitz stated he understood the desire to
quickly inform the public and agrees with its importance while also emphasizing it is more
important to give them the most accurate data because most may only listen to the first

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information given in his experience with risk communication. Mr. Koerber responded that
NATA provides a valuable screening tool but does not necessarily provide actionable
information. He noted that the EPA uses a more refined assessment before engaging and
informing communities. However, this process takes time, and the EPA does not want
communities to feel as though information is being kept from them, so they are attempting to
deliver this information faster.

Ms. Kruger commented that the National Association of Clean Air Agencies (NACAA)
members commend the EPA for their work on EtO. She reiterated that some stakeholders are
advocating for replacing the EPA's Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS) value for EtO
with another value, but NACAA urges the EPA to continue to use the IRIS value it is using now.
Mr. Koerber responded that when the proposed actions regarding EtO are published, the EPA
expects to have a thoughtful conversation on risk assessments, including the dose response value
for EtO and IRIS.

Mr. Ted Steichen encouraged the EPA to involve OSHA and the Department of Labor as soon as
possible, given the massive human health implications for workers in plants that use EtO. Mr.
Koerber agreed that this issue touches many agencies, and it is important for agencies across the
federal government to collaborate and speak with one voice.

Mr. Bob Hodanbosi asked if Mr. Koerber could spend more time discussing ambient monitoring,
given that his state, Ohio, said they would rather not spend the time and money on monitoring
this pollutant. Mr. Koerber responded that though many communities want EtO to be monitored,
and the EPA tries to do thorough air monitoring across the country, this is a particularly
challenging chemical to monitor. He noted that the EPA is working to develop new test
instruments to monitor EtO and to identify other potentially harmful chemicals.

Mr. William Spratlin urged the EPA to work internally with other parts of the Agency regarding
developing better risk communication. He cited an example where a Superfund site was located
next to an EtO emitting plant, and the EPA was ill-prepared to communicate risk to the public.

Transboundary Air Pollution Analysis Presentation

Dr. Barron Henderson began his presentation by stating that the aim of the presentation is to
provide context for state and local air agencies on the international transport of air pollutants. He
noted that the presentation would focus heavily on "background," which refers to pollutant
concentration that exist in the absence of a particular source of pollution. He noted that while
airborne particulate matter (PM) is a predominately local issue from an annual NAAQS
perspective, ozone transports efficiently and has relevant background contributions that include
international transport. Dr. Henderson described how ozone has natural and anthropogenic
sources outside of the U.S. that arrive through long-range transport, and the EPA uses
photochemical models to estimate the amount of international ozone transport, since even the
most remote monitors include U.S. anthropogenic contributions.

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Dr. Henderson then described the mechanisms for long-range transport, saying that different
transport pathways include low altitude, which is slower with more losses, and high altitude,
which has faster winds and fewer removal mechanisms. Plotting trends of ozone over the U.S.,
Dr. Henderson showed that the Eastern U.S. has little international contribution, while the
Intermountain West has more long-range international transport, and select border areas have
more short-range international transport. Dr. Henderson returned to discussing PM, saying that
its shorter atmospheric lifetime means it is generally more localized, and therefore international
transport is primarily a concern for near-border areas. Most background PM contributions in the
United States come from natural sources, including fires or wind-blown dust events.

To address background emissions in the NAAQS reviews and implementation, Dr. Henderson
stated that the EPA conducts an Integrated Science Assessment and Policy Assessment for each
review, which include a summary of the latest literature on U.S. background concentrations.
Additionally, Dr. Henderson added that the EPA continues to improve its modeling capabilities
to better measure the contribution of international transport in overall emissions.

Comments and Discussion

Rev. Hescox commented that he does not believe wildfires can be considered an anthropogenic
source, given the impact of climate change on their frequency and intensity. Mr. Henderson
responded that, in many cases, it is difficult to assess whether wildfires are caused by humans or
not.

Mr. Greenbaum commented that China has been extremely successful in reducing PM, and the
EPA has provided them with technical assistance to do so. However, he noted that ozone is
increasing in China and asked whether the EPA could work with China to reduce ozone. He also
asked if there were opportunities to collaborate with Mexico to reduce ozone. Mr. Henderson
replied that there have been many collaborations with the Mexican government, and the EPA
hopes to reinvigorate those collaborations. He also noted that the EPA continues to collaborate
with researchers in China, and in doing so, was able to get an accurate emission inventory for the
2016 stimulations.

Mr. Steichen commented that he disagreed with some of the data and trends in the presentation
and asked whether the data are available for review. Mr. Henderson responded that a study with
information on how the EPA arrived at these conclusions, as well as technical documents, will be
available soon.

Mr. Clay Pope inquired as to when guidance issued on how to provide a demonstration pursuant
to CAA section for 179B would be released. Mr. Koerber responded that it is close to being
released, and the EPA hopes to send it to states to review later in November.

Mr. Hoekzema asked how the modeling works in conjunction with the NAAQS and inquired
about the timing of these analyses. He went on to encourage the EPA to do their modeling and
include in-U.S. transport in areas to ensure that proper action can be taken at the state and local
level to comply with the NAAQS. He also noted that the policy assessments the EPA publishes

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should be consistent with the NAAQS and the modeling. Lastly, he stated that he believes the
modeling should be paired with the NAAQS review process.

Mr. Howanitz commented that some early adopters of Photochemical Assessment Monitoring
Stations (PAMS) have seen significant reductions in ozone levels and the PAMS research is an
effort by EPA to better understand other chemicals involved in photochemical ozone formation
and help with adjustments in models used to predict ozone formation for forecasting ozone. He
noted that PM2.5 concentrations for a majority of the southeastern areas continue to decrease and
also stay in attainment with the NAAQS. Dr. Henderson responded that there is continually
newer and better information, and monitoring data, like PAMS, provide insights on what the
model is getting correct and incorrect. He also noted that the EPA has more satellite and remote
sensing data available, and they are constantly trying to utilize that data to improve the model.

Residential Wood Heat Appliance Certification Presentation

Mr. Stef Johnson began his presentation by explaining the importance of the Wood Heater NSPS
for public health. He stated that experience with the 1988 test methods for assessing whether
wood heaters comply with the emissions standard shows that crib fuel testing is not well suited
for wood heater compliance determinations or emissions factor development. Therefore, in the
2015 NSPS revisions, the test methods for wood heaters retained the 1988 crib fuel test but
added a cord-wood compliance option. In addition, an ASTM method that was not final in time
for inclusion in the 2015 NSPS is now allowed to be used through the EPA Alternate Test
Method provisions. Mr. Johnson noted that the EPA has heard concerns from states that the cord
wood test method does not provide appropriate data for compliance determinations and is not
useful for State Implementation Plan (SIP) purposes. In terms of rulemakings, the EPA published
an ANPRM in November 2018 requesting comment on various aspects of the existing wood
burning appliance compliance test program. Mr. Johnson said that the EPA has reviewed the
comments from the ANPRM and will be convening a meeting of state and industry experts to
discuss the best path forward. He elaborated that the EPA anticipates modifications to the
existing test methods and/or validation testing of new test methodology to begin in the spring of
2020, with likely finalization of new test methods in late 2022.

Mr. Johnson continued by saying that the EPA will host a round table meeting in Research
Triangle Park on January 15, 2020 and hopes meeting attendees will bring a knowledgeable
discussion of cord wood test issues to the table. Based on this technical discussion, the EPA will
select a path forward for cord-wood test method improvement to better support the EPA's
program needs. Mr. Johnson envisions that this round table will lead to further meetings of the
same group to work on improving test methods and procedures. Mr. Johnson concluded by
saying that the new and revised test methods will undergo notice and comment and that
promulgation of a new emissions standard would also follow notice and comment rulemaking,
with the test method used to support the standard.

Comments and Discussion

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Mr. Dan Nickey commented that this rule will impact many small businesses and recommended
that the EPA collaborate with their small business office and other small business assistance
groups across the country.

Ms. Kruger commented that NACAA has been following this issue and looks forward to the
round table meeting. She noted NACAA's hope that the new cordwood test method will be ready
for the 2023 NSPS. She also stated that NACAA has looked at the ASTM and Integrated Duty
Cycle test methods and asked what the EPA hopes to gain from these test methods. Mr. Johnson
replied that the needs of the program are to reduce overall variability from one test on one
appliance to another and also to reduce the potential for gaming of the test method. He said he
looked forward to hearing more about the Integrated Duty Cycle at the meeting.

Ms. Mittelstaedt commented that wood stoves decline in performance over time and that
moisture content and user-based issues are the biggest variables in in performance, and these
variables are not factored into the testing program. She also noted that the Burn Wise program is
not heavily funded, and wildfires are compounding the problems associated with emissions from
wood stoves. She asked if the EPA could test in a way that assesses how a device operates over
time. She also asked what can be done about uncertified wood stoves in operation. Mr. Johnson
responded that the EPA had not considered appliance aging in the certification testing, but this is
something they would think about. He also noted that the EPA has supported wood stove
changeout programs.

Mr. Peters asked about the certification test methods and how they are applied to a
manufacturer's production program. Mr., Johnson responded that existing regulations require
that manufacturers have at least one of each model tested, and when a model passes, the
manufacturers receive approval from the EPA to make and sell as many of that model as they
want, as long as the combustion parameters remain unchanged. He added that the EPA hopes the
testing data can also be used by state and local governments to estimate potential emissions
decreases in their areas and understand the emission reduction potential of stove changeout
programs.

Mr. Howanitz commented that the EPA is assuming that individuals will change out older wood
stoves for newer models and asked about the turnover rate and cost per emissions decrease. Mr.
Johnson responded that there was an extensive economic analysis done in 2015 to suggest these
emissions standards make economic sense, however he is uncertain about the assumed appliance
turnover rate.

Mr. Robert Meyers asked about whether the EPA had thought about using the authority under
CAA section 111(b) to regulate existing wood stoves. Mr. Koerber clarified that the EPA has
focused on new sources and is not considering regulating existing stoves.

Mr. Tomas Carbonell commented that wood stoves are a serious concern in communities across
the country and inquired about the effectiveness of the hydronic heaters standards, noting that
some manufacturers starting marketing them as commercial appliances to circumvent the
standards. Mr. Johnson responded that he also has heard anecdotally that wood-burning
appliances that are not in compliance are being marketed for other purposes.

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Ms. Natalene Cummings commented that a changeout program in Idaho found that using a
certified wood stove versus an uncertified wood stove did not significantly change emissions
because individuals were operating the wood stoves incorrectly. She commented that funding for
the Burn Wise program and for education is critical.

Oil and Gas NSPS Update

Mr. David Cozzie gave a presentation on the proposed policy amendments to the 2012 and 2016
NSPS for oil and gas sources. He began by explaining that CAA section 111 directs the EPA to
establish standards for stationary sources of air pollution that may endanger public health. Oil
and gas facilities are one type of source category that the EPA is required to set NSPS for under
section 111. Mr. Cozzie went on to say that the EPA's original source category listing for oil and
natural gas in 1979 only included the production and processing segments; the 2012 and 2016
rules interpreted the source category to also include the transmission and storage segments.

Mr. Cozzie noted that on August 28, 2019, the EPA proposed amendments to the 2012 and 2016
NSPS in response to the Executive Order on Promoting Energy Independence and Economic
Growth. The primary proposal was to remove the transmission and storage segment from the
source category and rescind methane standards from production and processing. An alternative
proposal was also made to rescind methane standards from all sources without revising the
source category. Mr. Cozzie clarified that both proposals state that because the existing (2012
and 2016) controls to reduce VOCs emissions will also reduce methane emissions, separate
methane limitations for the industry are redundant.

Considering the proposed amendments, Mr. Cozzie outlined the areas which the EPA is seeking
comment. These areas include whether CAA section 111 requires the EPA to make a source
category, pollutant-specific significant contribution finding for greenhouse gas (GHG)
emissions, the appropriate criteria to use when determining whether a pollutant emitted from a
particular source category significantly contributes to air pollution that would be anticipated to
endanger public health and the environment, and all other aspects of the proposed amendments.

Mr. Cozzie went on to state that the proposed amendments would, if finalized, also remove the
obligation to regulate methane from existing sources, but the EPA expects the number of existing
sources to decline over time. He also noted that sources already have incentives to control
methane due to economic incentives, existing state regulatory programs, and voluntary programs.
Finally, Mr. Cozzie related the impacts of the proposed amendments on industry costs,
emissions, and the climate, stating that the estimates are a $17-$ 19 million/year savings to
industry; an increase of 370,000 tons of methane, 10,000 tons of VOC and 300 tons of HAP; and
climate-related costs of $2.3-$8.1 million/year.

Comments and Discussion

Rev. Hescox commented that by changing this to a VOC rule, sources with low VOCs would no
longer have the methane reductions that would otherwise be achieved. He also commented that
removing the ability to regulate methane and VOCs from existing sources takes away support for
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he appreciated the comment regarding existing sources and support for state programs. In
response to the first comment, he noted that there is no threshold quantity of emissions that
determines the applicability of the rule to a source, so a low quantity of VOC emissions does not
impact whether VOC (and thereby methane) emissions reductions would occur.

Mr. Hoekzema stated his general dissatisfaction with the EPA's posture of upending every
regulation put into place by the previous administration, arguing that there is a business case for
reducing uncertainty and leaving regulations that are working in place. He then said that from a
stakeholder perspective, he is not sure what to make of these rules changing and believes they
are built on disingenuous economic reasoning.

Ms. Cummings commented that these proposed amendments have direct health impacts on
tribes, and tribal impacts were not properly considered in the proposed rule. She went on to say
that by statute, tribal communities are supposed to be consulted, but they were not, and they
already face much higher public health threats, such as asthma. She also noted that tribes believe
GHG emissions will increase, /which will impact them in many ways, such as needing to move
away from their ancestral lands. Mr. Cozzie stated that the EPA did offer tribal consultation.

Ms. Shannon Broome commented the preamble contained an understandable and thorough
rationale, and she hopes the EPA continues to utilize the analysis presented in the proposal for
the final rule. She also encouraged the EPA to consider how this approach translates to other
pollutants with local impacts, such as ozone, compared to pollutants with global impacts, such as
GHG. Additionally, she hopes the EPA will clarify how it interprets CAA section 111 overall, so
that everyone can understand and predict the EPA's actions.

Mr. Eric Massey commented that there is an emphasis globally on reaching carbon neutrality in
the utility sector, and one of the ways to do that is through carbon offsets. He continued by
saying that the EPA should look at other policy mechanisms beyond command and control for
reducing emissions. He also requested that the EPA provide best practices for the utility industry.
Mr. Cozzie responded that the EPA does not have a best practices guide but does have
institutional knowledge of best practices that have been applied to previous projects.

Mr. Frank Prager asked about the EPA's confidence in the numbers presented in the regulatory
impact analysis (RIA), particularly for methane. He also asked if the social cost of carbon was
used and whether the EPA would still have authority to require methane emissions reporting.
Mr. Cozzie replied that the NSPS only applies to sources going forward, so there is a lot of
softness in the numbers because assumptions must be made regarding the number of new sources
coming online. He responded that the domestic cost of methane was used, which is about
$120/ton. He also replied that methane reporting requirements would not be affected because
those requirements are part of a different rule.

Ms. Mittelstaedt commented that her understanding is that the U.S. has aging oil and gas industry
infrastructure, and a large contributor of methane emissions is leaks. She asked why the EPA
would enact these rules when we are on a precipice of new infrastructure. Mr. Cozzie replied that
not all leaks are covered by the rule, like those from malfunctions and pigging operations, so
changes to the rule do not impact all leaks from the sector.

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Mr. Carbonell echoed the key concerns of others in terms of increased methane emissions, VOC
and HAP emissions, and a lack of meaningful analysis. He stated that the NSPS is an extremely
common sense, cost effective standard that should be maintained and extended to existing
sources. He asked about Mr. Cozzie's statements regarding the effectiveness of state regulations,
voluntary programs, and industry turnover in helping to reduce emissions. He stated that his
understanding is that those are not meaningful replacements for the emissions standards and
asked whether the EPA had quantified the emissions reductions foregone by changing the
standard. Mr. Cozzie responded that the EPA sees some trends to suggest that state regulations,
voluntary programs, and industry turnover are helping to reduce emissions, but the EPA is not
able to fully quantify that.

Regulatory Update from the Office of Transportation and Air Quality

Mr. Ben Hengst presented on the Office of Transportation and Air Quality's (OTAQ) regulatory
outlook. He began by relating the upcoming regulatory actions affecting on-road vehicles. The
first action he described is the Safer Affordable Fuel-Efficient (SAFE) Vehicles Rule which
revises model year 2021 to model year 2026 vehicle GHG standards and makes changes to
California's vehicle waiver. The next actions he discussed are the CTI, which revises the EPA's
emission standards for highway heavy-duty engines and vehicles and the vehicle test procedure
adjustments for tier 3 test fuel, which accounts for changes to tier 3 gasoline certification test
fuel in testing procedures. Lastly, he covered light-duty vehicle GHG program technical
amendments, which is an action to correct errors in the EPA regulations from the program
promulgated in 2012.

Mr. Hengst continued by presenting the current regulatory actions for non-road vehicles and
fuels. The first action he discussed is amendments related to marine diesel engine emission
standards, which considers amending the regulatory schedule for the smallest power category of
tier 4 marine standards to provide additional lead time. Next, he explained the amendments
related to global marine fuel, which would amend diesel fuel regulations to allow the distribution
of 5,000 ppm S distillate marine fuel in the U.S., which is consistent with the International
Maritime Organization's 2020 standard. Lastly, Mr. Hengst spoke about advancing clean aircraft
engines and reforming test procedures for aircraft PM, which is a rulemaking that follows the
International Civil Aviation Organization's agreement on the first-ever international PM
emissions standards for commercial aircraft engines.

Mr. Hengst next described regulatory actions taking place in fuels. He discussed the El 5
(gasoline blended with up to 15% ethanol) and renewable identification number (RIN) market
reform action, which is a rulemaking to extend a Reid Vapor Pressure (RVP) waiver to El5 and
modify RIN market regulations. He then went over the Renewable Fuel Standards (RFS),
beginning with the 2020 Renewable Fuel Volume Annual Standards Rule, which is a rulemaking
to be put in place by the renewable fuel obligations for the 2020 calendar year. The other RFS
rule is the renewable fuel standard program modification of applicable volume, or the Reset
Rule, which aims to revise the renewable fuel volumes specified in the statute for 2020 through
2022. Mr. Hengst also explained the Fuel Regulatory Streamlining Rule, which is a rulemaking
to rewrite and streamline the non-RFS Part 80 fuel regulations, and the Renewables

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Enhancement and Growth Support (REGS) Rule, which allows biointermediates under RFS, puts
standards in place for higher level ethanol blends, adds new RFS pathways and seeks comment
on regulations to allow the generation of RINs for renewable electricity.

Following this high-level overview of regulatory actions, Mr. Hengst discussed two major
studies the EPA is undertaking - the Coastal Marine Mode Shift Study and the RFS Air Quality
Anti-Backsliding Study. Mr. Hengst went on to provide a more in-depth explanation of the CTI.
He stated that the main objective of the CTI is to achieve lower NOx emissions nationwide and
identify cost-effective means of ensuring real-world compliance, including exploring
opportunities to streamline existing requirements. He noted that the motivation for this initiative
is to modernize requirements to better reflect the capability of available emissions control
technologies. He went on to say that the EPA's current emission standards have lowered overall
NOx emissions but have not resulted in effective emission control under low-load conditions.
Mr. Hengst provided key program elements that are being explored, which include nationwide
emissions reductions, ensuring in-use emissions reductions, streamlining and modernizing
requirements, and effective EPA compliance and enforcement. He said the EPA is targeting an
ANPRM by the end of 2019 and targeting 2020 for a NPRM, though they are currently in the
information gathering stage of the process. Early CTI stakeholder engagement has included the
user community; clean air and environmental non-governmental organizations; state, local, and
tribal governments; original equipment manufacturers; and suppliers and labor. He stated that the
CTI rulemakings will utilize new data on activity, vehicle miles traveled (VMT), vehicle
populations, glider vehicles, and heavy-duty emission rates to inform the emissions inventories,
and the CTI proposal will include a full air quality analysis, benefits calculations, and proposed
program benefit-cost analysis.

Mr. Hengst acknowledged that California's Air Resources Board (CARB) is also developing
major heavy-duty diesel program revisions, including lower NOx standards. However, he noted
that CARB's timeline enables faster implementation than the EPA's timeline and stated that EPA
staff will continue to coordinate with CARB on technical issues. They are also exploring
approaches with CARB and industry to maintain the EPA-CARB coordinated 50-state program
approach.

Comments and Discussion

Ms. Broome commented that in the mobile source arena, requirements are ill-defined in the
regulations and are often based on EPA enforcement interpretations. Mr. Shoaff responded that
the EPA is aware of this issue and is in the process of examining the guidance that has been used
for compliance matters. Mr. Hengst added that the EPA is trying to make it easier for businesses
to comply, which they are doing now with the fuels streamlining action.

Mr. Hoekzema noted that for tier 3 fuel standards, there is an important milestone at the end of
the year with compliance credits. He added that many of the EPA's planning assumptions are
based on modeling of the effects of the fuel standards, but in Texas, they are still getting 30-35
ppm fuel sulfur downstream, which does not support the EPA's assumptions. He urged the EPA
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added that the EPA should consider having a downstream annual standard. Mr. Hengst
responded that he is not aware of anything downstream being examined, but that the sampling
and testing protocols will be examined as part of the rule streamlining.

Mr. John Booher asked about the increased availability of E15 in the market and whether the
EPA sees an opportunity or a need to warn consumers about using higher ethanol fuels when not
appropriate. Mr. Hengst replied that when the EPA modified regulations to allow El 5 to be sold,
provisions were added to require a label at the pump that explains the fuel is not appropriate for
older vehicles and smaller engines, like those in motorcycles and boats.

Mr. Myers asked whether the heavy-duty technical amendment still existed and inquired as to the
2020 RFS supplemental rule timeframe. Mr. Hengst responded that there is a heavy-duty
technical amendment that the EPA is working on and said there is no timeframe yet for that
amendment. For the RFS supplemental rule, Mr. Hengst stated that the final rule should be
issued by the end of the year.

Mr. Hoekzema suggested including short-term idling off network in the next iteration of
MOVES. He also noted that some local fleet operators use fleet management software and saw
behavior change after informing their operators about the software. He asked if the EPA could
examine a compliance option or regulatory tool to get improved deployment of fleet
management software down to the user level. Mr. Hengst responded that the EPA is interested in
improving data and management approaches, and new technologies could be a component of
that.

Mr. Greenbaum commented that there is data to suggest that MOVES does not fully capture the
improvements in NOx emissions that have happened in the fleets and also asked for a status
update on gliders. Mr. Hengst replied that there is a technical subcommittee focused on
improving MOVES that is working on the NOx issue. He stated that there is a proposed rule out
for gliders, and the Administrator and OTAQ are considering next steps.

Dr. Adrienne Hollis suggested that, based on her work and conversations, the EPA should
involve community groups that work on emissions and idling as a stakeholder category that
should be engaged in the EPA's rulemakings. Mr. Hengst responded that community groups may
already be engaged, but he will also share that feedback with the EPA team.

Mr. Meyers asked about timing issues between the California rules and the EPA CTI rule. Mr.
Hengst responded that the EPA is aware of the timing issues, in that the California rules will
likely be issued before the EPA rule.

Ms. Kruger commented that certain areas around the country, such as areas in nonattainment and
areas struggling to stay in attainment, need reductions in NOx emissions. She then requested that
EPA provide a 90-day comment period on the CTI proposal, rather than only 30 or 45 days.

Mr. Hoekzema commented that the EPA is moving to strip California of its ability to set its own
light-duty vehicle emissions standards and asked if the EPA is also trying to prevent California
from setting its own heavy-duty vehicle emissions standards. Mr. Hengst responded that the EPA
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solution. Mr. Hengst replied that the administration has been clear on its position regarding
California setting its own standards for light-duty vehicles.

OTAQ Partnership Programs

Mr. Karl Simon presented an overview of OTAQ's partnership programs, which complement its
regulatory programs. The first partnership that Mr. Simon covered is the EPA's Ports Initiative,
which was launched in 2014 in response to determining that 40 percent of the largest 150 ports
are in NAAQS nonattainment or maintenance areas. The EPA, Mr. Simon stated, received
recommendations from the CAAAC on ports in September 2016 that included providing
funding, technical resources, and expertise to enable and encourage environmental
improvements. The EPA is working to raise port industry standard practices to accelerate the
adoption of clean air planning practices and clean technologies and other strategies through tools
and assistance. Mr. Simon also discussed a recent effort to promote community-port
collaboration for effective planning by completing pilot projects in Savannah, Georgia; New
Orleans, Louisiana; Seattle, Washington; and Providence, Rhode Island.

The next partnership that Mr. Simon discussed is the Diesel Emissions Reduction Act (DERA)
program. He noted that the purpose of DERA is to incentivize faster fleet turnover to reduce the
number of legacy diesel engines, which emit significant amounts of PM and NOx. Mr. Simon
stated that DERA yielded between $7 and $19 billion in health benefits and prevented between
1,000 and 2,300 premature deaths between 2008 and 2016. He noted that DERA is unique in its
specific purpose of reducing mobile source diesel emissions, and the program consistently
receives bipartisan support and is always oversubscribed. Mr. Simon discussed that future steps
of DERA include continuing to emphasize ports and goods movement and continuing to
emphasize environmental justice areas with populations disproportionately affected by diesel
exhaust. He noted that the next funding opportunity is in December 2019.

Mr. Simon emphasized that goods movement is essential to businesses and communities, that
freight activity is growing, and the technology used for goods movement is changing. He
acknowledged that partnerships enable more efficient, greener freight choices. Mr. Simon
elaborated that the EPA's SmartWay program allows partners to voluntarily submit freight
activity information using EPA's assessment and tracking tools, and the results let companies
readily see which carriers are the greener choices. This program has seen positive results, with
companies improving the efficiency of moving goods, while reducing emissions and saving
money. Mr. Simon also described the Travel Efficiency Assessment Method (TEAM)
partnership, noting its deployment in a group of case study cities across the U.S. He defined
travel efficiency strategies as falling under travel demand management, changes to public transit,
travel pricing, and changes to land use. He stated that TEAM itself is a method to rapidly assess
multi-pollutant emission reductions from hypothetical travel efficiency strategies and scenarios
at the local, state, and national levels. Major findings so far include that pricing strategies have
the biggest potential to reduce light-duty VMT and emissions and that smart growth and land use
strategies can also have a large impact. Lastly, Mr. Simon described the EPA's Green Racing
Partnership with the International Motor Sports Association (IMSA).

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Comments and Discussion

Mr. Nickey asked if the EPA plans to coordinate DERA with the Volkswagen settlement. Mr.
Simon replied that the Volkswagen settlement money goes almost exclusively to states, but there
is a DERA option that allows states to use this money for projects that are not specifically listed,
which is what many states are choosing to do.

Mr. Greenbaum commented that the Health Effects Institute has been funding accountability
tests and just funded a national program to assess school bus changeouts and the impact on
public health. He went on to say that school buses are a potential application for DERA. He also
asked if the EPA has interacted with the FIA Foundation in their green racing partnership. Mr.
Simon responded that they have interacted with the FIA, but they would like to engage more
organizations. In terms of the effects of school bus changeouts, Mr. Simon noted that the EPA
has seen preliminary research but would like to see more.

Mr. Jeremy Fincher asked about programs that cannot meet the cost matching requirements of
DERA and whether there is a provision to eliminate the cost share requirement for small tribes or
communities. Mr. Simon stated that the EPA could discuss that, but also suggested that small
tribes and communities might be able to use Volkswagen settlement funding to help meet the
DERA cost share requirements.

Mr. Timothy Hunt stated that transportation costs are significant for the paper products industry,
and they have advocated for allowing increased truck weights, which would reduce truck VMT.
He asked if the EPA is working with the Department of Transportation to increase truck weights
to have fewer trucks arriving at facilities. Mr. Simon replied that truck weights are a
conversation that has come up in the past, noting that the EPA wants to focus not only on the
tailpipe but also other ways, such as this, to reduce emissions.

Mr. Massey suggested that the barrier to increasing the impact of the DERA program is a lack of
funding. He noted that the EPA might be able to expand funding if companies were willing to
pay into the program for an incentive, such as carbon credits. He also commented that the TEAM
partnership's recommendations are generally ways to reduce the convenience of driving, largely
through fees. He notes that this would disproportionately affect lower-income individuals and
suggests that a better strategy is to make other modes of transportation more convenient. Lastly,
he recommended that the EPA promote truck stop electrification to provide offsets while truck
drivers are idle. Mr. Simon thanked him for his comments and stated that the EPA has previously
funded some truck stop electrifications through DERA.

Mr. Hoekzema commented that Texas has a similar program to DERA at the state-level that is
well resourced, but that program prefers to target vehicles that spend most of their time in Texas,
rather than on long-haul trucks that travel to other states. He suggested that the EPA address
long-haul trucks, due to their regional to national travel patterns. He also gave his personal
experience with the TEAM partnership, saying that they have seen personal vehicles being
substituted by delivery services, so it is difficult to know whether there is a net benefit in that
case. He encouraged the EPA to undertake a study on the implication of these mode shifts. Mr.

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Simon thanked him for his observations and mentioned that the CAAAC's Mobile Source
Technical Review Subcommittee has been discussing new mobility and its impacts, noting that it
seems there are not net improvements.

Final Remarks, Public Comments and Adjourn

In closing, Mr. Shoaff thanked everyone for their time and attendance. He stated that the EPA
will contact meeting participants for feedback on potential meeting dates in late spring and for
ideas for that meeting's agenda. He also encouraged the meeting participants to follow up on the
topics discussed individually. He concluded by thanking the speakers.

Mr. Weinstock also thanked everyone for their participation and noted that the Agency is starting
a new FACA committee for farm, ranch and rural communities. He noted that there were no
public comments made during the public comment period of the meeting and officially
adjourned the meeting.

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Appendix

CAAAC Meeting Attendance List

('omniilU'c Members sind Presenters

Nsi mc

Orgnniziilion

Dr. William Bahnfleth

Penn State University

John Booher

Briggs and Straton

Shannon Broome

Hunton Andres Kurth LLP

Tomas Carbonell

Environmental Defense Fund

David Cozzie

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Natalene Cummings

Forest County Potawatomi Community, Natural Resources
Dept.

Veronica Figieroa

Mosaic Fertilizer

Jeremy Fincher

Sac and Fox Nation

Steven Flint

New York Department of Environmental Conservation

Gail Good

Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources

Dan Greenbaum

Health Effects Institute

Barron Henderson

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Ben Hengst

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Mitchell Hescox

Evangelical Environmental Network

Bob Hodanbosi

Ohio Environmental Protection Agency

Andrew Hoekzema

Capital Area Council of Governments

Dr. Adrienne Hollis

Union of Concerned Scientists

Jason Howanitz

Jefferson County Department of Health

Timothy Hunt

American Forest & Paper Association, American Wood
Council

Anne Idsal

Acting Assistant Administrator, USEPA/OAR

Stef Johnson

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Gary Jones

Specialty Graphic Imaging Association Foundation

Mike Koerber

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Shannon Koplitz

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Nancy Kruger

National Association of Clean Air Agencies

Eric Massey

APS

Robert Meyers

Crowell and Moring

Gillian Mittelstaedt

Tribal Healthy Homes Network

Daniel Nickey

Iowa Waste Reduction Center Business and Community
Services

Donald Peters

Community Against Pig Pollution and Disease

Mary Peveto

Neighbors for Clean Air

Clay Pope

Consultant

Frank Prager

Xcel Energy Inc

Kris Ray

Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation

Maria Robinson

Massachusetts House of Representatives

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Kimberly

Public Service Electric & Gas

Scarborough



John Shoaff

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Karl Simon

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

William Spratlin

Aptim Environment and Infrastructure

Ted Steichen

American Petroleum Institute

Vickie Sullivan

Duke Energy

Mary Uhl

Western States Air Resources Council

Larry Weinstock

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, OAR

Robert Wyman

Latham and Watkins, LLP, National Climate Coalition

Other Attendees

Barbara Bankoff

Bankoff Associates

Francis Chung

E&E News

Mary Douglas

National Association of Clean Air Agencies

Alex Guillen

Politico

John Kinsman

EEF

Jonathan Lubetsky

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

J. Mittell

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Stuart Parker

IWP News

Kelley Raymond

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Sean Reilly

E&E News

Leslie Ritts

NED A/CAP

Jordan Zambrana

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Contractor Support

Lesley Stobert

SC&A, Inc.

Allison Owens

SC&A, Inc.

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