U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Farm, Ranch, and Rural Communities
Advisory Committee

IHFRRCC

Agriculture Producing Solutions

Public Meeting Summary

November 15-16, 2021
Location: Virtual Meeting via Zoom

NOTE AND DISCLAIMER: The minutes that follow reflect a summary of remarks and
conversation during the meeting. Such ideas, suggestions, and deliberations do not necessarily
reflect consensus advice from the Board. Formal advice and recommendations may be found in
the final advisory reports or letters prepared and transmitted to the agency following the public
meetings. Moreover, the Board advises that additional information sources be consulted in cases
where any concern may exist about statistics, or any other information contained within the
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U.S. Environmental Protection Farm, Ranch, and Rural Communities Advisory Committee Public
Meeting Summary

Table of Contents

Meeting Participants	2

FRRCC Members and Roll Call	2

Speakers	6

Other EPA Staff	6

Registered Attendees	6

FRRCC Meeting Overview and Remarks by EPA Leadership	6

FRRCC Meeting Overview and Opening Remarks	6

Remarks by EPA Leadership	7

FRRCC Presentations	10

Food Waste Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion	10

Pesticide Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion	10

Water Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion	13

Wrap Up and Closing Remarks	15

Public Comments	17

Meeting Materials, Reference	19

Certification of Meeting Summary	20

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Meeting Participants
FRRCC Members and Roll Call

FRRCC Members and Roll Call

Day 1-
November
15,2021

Day 2-
November
16,2021

WiSSiam Thomas (Tom) McDonald (Committee Chair)
Five Rivers Cattle Feeding, LLC
Dal hart, Texas

Yes

Yes

Michael J. Aerts
Minor Crop Farmer Alliance
Florida Fruit and Vegetable Association
Maitland, Florida

No

No

Barry Berg

East Dakota Water Development District
Brookings, South Dakota

Yes

Yes

Emily M. Broad Leib

Harvard Law School Food, Law and Policy

Cambridge, Massachusetts

Yes

Yes

Don Brown

Anchor Three Farm, Inc.

Colorado Commissioner of Agriculture 2015-2019
Yuma, Colorado

Yes

No

Jamie Burr (Workgroup Chair, Ad Hoc Workgroup on Water)
Tyson Foods, Inc.

Springdale, AR

Yes

Yes

Phillip EL Chavez

Lower Arkansas Valley Water Conservancy District, Catlin Canal
Company,

and Lower Arkansas Valley Super Ditch Partner Diamond A Farms
and Mohawk Valley Farms
Rocky Ford, Colorado

No

Yes

John R. EL Collison
BlackOak Farms
Oklahoma Rule Association.
Edtnond, Oklahoma

Yes

Yes

WiSSiam (BiSS) Couser
Couser Cattle Company
Rep Cattle and Ethanol
Nevada, Iowa

Yes

Yes

MichaeS Crowder

National Association of Conservation Districts
Barker Ranch

Benton Conservation District

Yes

Yes

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FRRCC Members and Roll Call

Day 1-
November
15,2021

Day 2-
November
16,2021

West Richland, Washington





Matthew Fremiti (Workgroup Chair Ad Hoc Workgroup on
Food Loss and Waste)

Freund's Farm and CowPots LLC
East Canaan, Connecticut

Yes

No

Sharon Furches

Furches Farms Partnership
Kentucky Farm Bureau
Louisville, Kentucky

Yes

No

Jeffrey Gore, Ph.D.

Delta Research and Extension Center
Mississippi State University (Academia)
Stoneville, Mississippi

Yes

Yes

David Graybill

Red Sunset Farm
Pennsylvania Farm Bureau
Mifflintown, Pennsylvania

Yes

Yes

Alex P. Johns

Seminole Tribe of Florida Inc.
Okeechobee, Florida

No

No

Jimmy W. Kinder
Kinder Farms
Oklahoma Farm Bureau
Walters, Oklahoma

Yes

Yes

Lauren C. Lurkins (Committee Vice Chair/ Workgroup Chair
Ad Hoc Workgroup on Pesticides)

Illinois Farm Bureau/ American Farm Bureau Federation
Bloomington, Illinois

Yes

Yes

Jeanette L. Lombardo

Farmer Veteran Coalition
Global Water Innovations, Inc.
Davis, California

Yes

Yes

Gary Mahany
Gary Mahany Farms
Arkport, New York

No

No

Nicholas McCarthy

Central Valley Ag Cooperative
York, Nebraska

No

No

Jesse McCurry

Kansas Grain Sorghum Commission
Kansas Grain Sorghum Producers Association

Yes

Yes

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FRRCC Members and Roll Call

Day 1-
November
15,2021

Day 2-
November
16,2021

Colwich, Kansas





Jay Ivan OSsen

Utah Department of Agriculture and Food
Salt Lake City, Utah
Representing state governments

Yes

Yes

Christopher L. Pettit

Office of Agricultural Water Policy

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services

Tallahassee, Florida

Yes

Yes

William R. Pracht

Pracht Farms

East Kansas Agri-Energy

Garnett, Kansas

Yes

Yes

Graciela I. Ramirez-Toro, Ph.D.

Center for Environmental Education, Conservation and Research
Inter American University of Puerto Rico
San German, Puerto Rico

Yes

Yes

Charles R. Santerre, Ph.D.

Food, Nutrition, and Packaging Sciences
CI em son University

Yes

Yes

Beth C. Sauerhaft, Ph.D.

American Farmland Trust
Chappaqua, New York

Yes

Yes

Stacy Wayne Smith

S & A Smith Farms
New Home, Texas

No

No

Davie Shane Stephens

DJ Stephens Farm
American Soybean Association
Wingo, Kentucky

Yes

Yes

Jeff M. Witte

Secretary of Agriculture, State of New Mexico
Las Cruces, New Mexico

Yes

Yes

Amy W olfe

AgSafe

Modesto, California

Yes

Yes

James E. Zook

Michigan Com Growers Association and
Com Marketing Program of Michigan
Lansing, Michigan

Yes

Yes

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Speakers (EPA Leadership):

Agriculture Advisor to the EPA Administrator, Rod Snyder provided opening remarks from
EPA, followed by remarks from Carlton Waterhouse, Deputy Assistant Administrator for the
Office of Land and Solid Waste; Ya-Wei (Jake) Li, Deputy Assistant Administrator for Pesticide
Programs; Alejandra Nunez, Deputy Assistant Administrator for Mobile Sources; Janet McCabe,
EPA Deputy Administrator; and Radhika Fox, Assistant Administrator for the Office of Water.

FRRCC EPA Staff:

Venus Welch-White (DFO), Emily Selia (Alternate DFO), Lina Younes (Translation)

Meeting Attendees:

There were 123 meeting registrations, which included 29 EPA staff from across the Agency.

FRRCC Meeting Overview ami Remarks by EP 4 I cadership
FRRCC Meeting Overview and Opening Remarks

On November 15 and 16, 2021 EPA hosted the third public meeting of the current membership
of the Farm, Ranch and Rural Communities Advisory Committee (FRRCC) which was
appointed in June of 2020. The meeting was entirely virtual as there was no in-person gathering
for this meeting.

On November 15, 2022, the meeting opened with EPA staff providing technical information on
how to access the meeting in Spanish via live translation. FRRCC Chairman Tom McDonald
welcomed committee participants and viewers, called the meeting to order and conducted roll
call. The Chairman acknowledged and thanked the committee members for their excellent work
over the past year and a half, particularly during a time when all of the committee and workgroup
meetings had to be conducted virtually. He reviewed the three parts of the current charge, to
create a holistic pesticide program, support environmental benchmarks with interagency partners
to give advice to the agency on food loss and food waste, and water quality and water quantity.
He noted that three workgroups were named to address the charge components, with Matt
Freund, Jamie Burr, and Lauren Lurkins as workgroup chairs. He stated that this meeting would
consist of deliberation by the full committee on the draft recommendations of each workgroup.

Dr. Venus Welch-White, the FRRCC Designated Federal Officer, thanked the committee chair,
introduced herself and provided technical information on the federal advisory committee as well
as accessing background information, materials, and contacting EPA.

Rod Snyder provided opening remarks from EPA. Mr. Snyder stated that the FRRCC has been
providing policy input to the agency for nearly 15 years, with Administrator Regan continuing to
support the work. He mentioned the additional leadership who would be in attendance during the
meeting, the first of the Biden-Harris Administration, as a testament to the importance of
agriculture to the Agency's ongoing work. He shared that Administrator Regan was currently
traveling in Mississippi and Louisiana and hoped to attend a future meeting and reemphasize his
commitment to this committee moving forward.

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Mr. Snyder's remarks were followed by remarks from Dr. Carlton Waterhouse, Deputy Assistant
Administrator for OLEM. The meeting then transitioned to workgroup sessions.

The Ad Hoc Workgroup on Food Waste, led by workgroup chair Matt Freund, provided a review
of past work, a review and discussion of the proposed recommendations, and voting on the
recommendations. Following voting on the Food Waste session, Ya-Wei (Jake) Li, Deputy
Assistant Administrator for Pesticide Programs, provided remarks. Lauren Lurkins, workgroup
chair for the Pesticide Ad Hoc Workgroup then began the session on pesticides, providing a
review of previous work, and began discussion and voting on recommendations. This session
was split between Day 1 and Day 2 due to timing.

Public comments were heard at the end of Day 1. Three requests for oral comments were
received prior to the deadline and presented at the meeting.

On November 16, 2022, the day began with a review of how to access live Spanish translation,
followed by a welcome, call to order and roll call of members by FRRCC Chairman Tom
McDonald. Remarks were then provided by Alejandra Nunez, Deputy Assistant Administrator
for Mobile Sources. The Ad Hoc Workgroup on Pesticides discussion and voting on the
remaining recommendations not completed on Day 1, were then led by Lauren Lurkins. Next,
Janet McCabe, EPA Deputy Administrator, and Radhika Fox, Assistant Administrator for the
Office of Water, then provided remarks. Jamie Burr, chair of the Ad Hoc Workgroup on Water,
then led the workgroup review, discussion and voting on the recommendations related to Waters
of the United States (WOTUS) presented during the meeting. Following voting on WOTUS
recommendations, Mr. Burr also provided information on the topics that were considered for
recommendation on water quantity, but not presented.

Agriculture Advisor Snyder then provided a review of next steps for the FRRCC, including
renewing the charter, establishing a new charge, and assessing membership as some members'
terms expire in June 2022. Chairman McDonald then provided closing remarks and adjourned
the meeting, clarifying that the recommendations would be moved forward shortly to
Administrator Regan as a report coordinated by FRRCC leadership, and would seek an in-person
meeting with the Administrator.

Remarks by Speakers (EPA Leadership)

Throughout the two-day meeting, multiple members of EPA leadership provided remarks,
thanking the committee, providing updates on their areas of work, and expressing commitment to
working with the agricultural community. Carlton Waterhouse, Deputy Assistant Administrator
for OLEM, the first guest speaker on Day 1, began by emphasizing the important role of the
agricultural community in environmental stewardship and conservation, and the critical role of
the committee in informing EPA's work. He also shared the announcement of the National
Recycling Strategy, which will outline EPA's approaches to addressing the U.S. recycling
systems biggest challenges. He shared that EPA is developing its interpretation of the National
Food Loss and Waste Reduction Goals for 2030, making sure they are aligning them with
relevant United Nations sustainable development goals. He noted the Administrator's concern

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about food loss and waste, the connection of food waste to climate change, and EPA's
investment in preventing waste and keeping it in the human supply chain.

Ya-Wei (Jake) Li, Deputy Assistant Administrator for Pesticide Programs, thanked the
committee for their volunteer service and commitment to the work. He reviewed the strong
connection of OCSPP with agriculture, and some of the related priorities of his office to the
charge topic of creating a holistic pesticide program. Beginning with the Endangered Species Act
and EPA's role, he stated that the top priority for the office is coming into full compliance with
the EPA and that although this will take years, EPA is moving forward aggressively to protect
endangered species while providing safe and effective pest control tools for growers. EPA is
developing a workplan on actions for the near and long term, for example how to update
approaches to compliance to meet ESA obligations in a timely manner, with the number of
pesticide decisions expected over the next decade. He spoke of the need for stakeholders to work
with EPA and collaborate on opportunities to provide better data and analysis. He expressed that
a top priority for OCSPP is for FIFRA decisions to come into compliance with the Endangered
Species Act and looked forward to seeing the FRRCC recommendations. He expressed OPP's
belief that more targeted refined data, especially on pesticide usage, will improve ESA
assessments, so a follow-up discussion with the grower community, USD A, and federal wildlife
agencies on obtaining better usage information is welcomed. A second opportunity is to
prioritize assessments and mitigation on species most vulnerable to pesticides, an effort about
which more information will be shared in the coming months. The third opportunity is to
examine how existing stewardship practice might inform pesticide mitigation measures, by
meeting with USD A to better align conservation practices with pesticide consultations and
working with USD A, Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), and NOAA fisheries on a pilot project to
demonstrate how to effectively identify and deploy mitigation. EPA plans to use a handful of
species to test drive concepts such as better grower engagement on identifying mitigation
measures, and better engagement with FWS Regional Offices.

DAA Li next addressed EPA's work on assessing the risk of the herbicide dicamba, including a
review of the 2020 registration decision and subsequent incident reports. He reviewed
engagement with stakeholders such as agriculture extension agents, pesticide registrants, USD A,
Crop Science Society of America and that EPA's findings would be communicated in the near
future.

DAA Li then responded to questions from the committee. Ms. Lurkins asked for insight on
timing for the dicamba announcement, as many growers are concerned about supply chain
opportunities for both herbicides and fertilizer products in general. He responded that he did not
have a more specific timeframe, other than EPA is working expeditiously and being very
mindful of those concerns regarding supply chain and the 2022 growing season. Second, she
asked about groups with which EPA had consulted and asked if growers, individually or in
groups, had been in the most recent discussions on dicamba products. He responded that he
would get back to her with specific names, as the registration division of OPP has been primarily
meeting with stakeholders but he was fairly certain they have spoken with grower groups, and
for certain with the American Association of Pest Control Officials, a group he had left out
earlier. Davie Stephens then echoed Ms. Lurkins concerns regarding timing for the 2022 growing
season, and shared that a letter from American Soybean Association, American Farm Bureau

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Federation, National Corn Growers Association, and National Cotton Council, and a letter from
all 26 soybean states were submitted to EPA. DAA Li thanked him for the comments and noted
that both letters were received.

James Zook asked about the modeling that EPA uses regarding ESA and use of the precautionary
principle. He asked what EPA is going to do to get use rates more in line with how the product is
actually applied, and additionally what is needed to make adjustments to those rates that are used
for risk assessment. DAA responded that better aligning usage rates was one reason he
mentioned earlier that EPA is trying to figure out a process to get better usage information from
registrants and growers. He emphasized that usage data is used to better assess what amount of
actual exposure is happening so across the board maximum allowed rate isn't used. Mr. Zook
responded that care is needed because farmers use some chemistries because they have
conservation in mind, and don't want to jeopardize habitat, so the holistic approach that growers
use needs to be considered. DAA Li agreed with the holistic approach and welcomes
recommendations on how to think through those alternatives.

On Day 2, Alejandra Nunez, Deputy Assistant Administrator for Mobile Sources, provided
remarks on behalf of the Office of Air and Radiation, discussing the renewable fuel standard and
several voluntary programs. She began with connecting the Renewable Fuel Standard to
President Biden's executive orders to protect public health, address the climate crisis, and ensure
integration of environmental justice while restoring science as the backbone of EPA decision
making. She stated that biofuels will be part of the clean energy future. She reviewed that the
Administration's approach is to follow the law to get the program back on track and shared
several areas on which the Agency is currently focusing. First, regarding the small refinery
exemption, DAA Nunez stated that EPA is in the process of reviewing options in the light of a
recent Supreme Court decision and petitions. Second, she shared that EPA is working hard to get
the rule out, recognizing that it benefits everyone involved to have the program function as
intended, and that a draft rulemaking proposal is in the interagency review process and would be
out for public comment soon. Regarding the content of the proposal, she could not share details
but shared that the Administrator wanted to be forward looking, make it growth oriented, and put
the program on a sustainable path, while addressing the challenging circumstances that impacted
the program over the past few years.

DAA Nunez then briefly discussed the voluntary AgSTAR program, which is jointly sponsored
by EPA and USD A to promote the use of anaerobic digestion systems and sustainable manure
management practice to reduce methane emissions from livestock waste.

Janet McCabe, EPA Deputy Administrator, shared her enthusiasm for being back at EPA and
recognition of the challenges that federal advisory committees have faced in working during the
pandemic. She emphasized the importance of hearing form stakeholders, to work on the issues
together, and her gratitude to the committee for taking this time when she knows that as farmers
and ranchers, their time is especially limited. She further emphasized her understanding and
gratitude of the challenges farmers and ranchers have faced during the pandemic and
appreciation of the work it took to keep the food supply and supply chain operational. Deputy
Administrator McCabe then reiterated Administrator Regan's and President Biden's commitment
to working with agricultural stakeholders, and the importance of those perspectives.

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She then discussed the impact of climate change on agriculture, and EPA's commitment to
creatively think with stakeholders to mitigate the effects. She recognized the importance that
agriculture will play in helping to manage carbon, build climate resiliency, and protect human
health and the environment. In closing, she emphasized that an all hands on deck approach is
needed to address the long list of issues that are important to both EPA and agriculture, and that
the doors of EPA leadership are open to talk.

Radhika Fox, Assistant Administrator for the Office of Water, reiterated the Agency's
appreciation for the FRRCC and the commitment from EPA and President Biden to work with
the agricultural community. AA Fox discussed the bipartisan infrastructure law. AA Fox
reviewed the large investment in the water sector, and she stated that she's asked her team to
think about how some of this funding can support efforts between agriculture and municipalities
around water quality protections. She also emphasized that EPA has begun to have deeper
discussions with USDA on things like climate smart agriculture, in relation to the bipartisan
infrastructure deal. AA Fox then reviewed efforts to address nutrient pollution, such as the
Hypoxia Task Force, and a memo in development in the Office of Water, which will outline a
vision for partnering with agriculture. She stated her support to expand and deepen collaboration.
On WOTUS, she stated that working with the agricultural community is a core commitment of
hers on the future definitions of Waters of the U.S. She briefly reviewed the current status of
WOTUS and the ongoing efforts to obtain stakeholder input.

FRRCC Presentations

Food Waste Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion

Matthew Freund, workgroup chair, presented on the committee's work, reviewing the issue of
food loss and waste in the U.S. The committee met three times in 2020 and five meetings in
2021, discussing definitions of food loss and waste, food donations liability, measures to divert
food waste from landfills, practices that could reduce food waste across the supply chain and
challenges to food loss and waste reduction.

He discussed that the recommendations represent the results of months of discussion,
presentation, research, and deliberation, and its intent to provide EPA Administrator and staff
with actions EPA could take to decrease the amount of food that is lost or wasted in the United
States while also benefiting farmers ranchers in rural communities. The recommendations are
intended as national policies and activities that could significantly reduce food loss and waste
across all parts of the food life cycle. He provided a detailed review of the recommendations,
section by section.

Committee members discussed the recommendations in the order listed in the draft document,
provided comments and input to the objectives and use of terminology in the recommendations.
Sections were presented and members provided comments to sections and/or language which had
objections. Only sections which did received unanimous consensus were discussed. Those
sections were:

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•	A4. Committee members commented on the term "look into" and selected the
term "evaluate."

•	B3. Committee members discussed how gleaning was considered during the
drafting, including the role of insurance in hindering donation, and that the
recommendation includes a lot of verbiage about how EPA needs to work with
state, local, and federal offices.

•	C2. Committee members requested more background, and discussion focused on
the intent of the recommendation to support infrastructure on farms, waste
diversion programs, waste bans or waste reduction plans. Several committee
members expressed concern over the use of the word "ban" within the document
and suggested removing the first two paragraphs. Workgroup members shared
that the intent was not to support a ban, but to provide resources for the states that
do have mandates because they can be resource intensive. A committee member
shared that EPA requires certain things of states through their solid waste
program, that the ag and rural community isn't as aware of, so the proposed
language came from what already exists. The purpose was to adapt what's
happening already, get more funding and research to improve that, not support a
ban, but if a ban is already in place, redirect that and find an extra means of
getting more out of the system, utilizing part of the cost for transportation and
landfill fees to go back into ag or another way of disposing. Discussion on C2
was tabled before consensus was reached, to review on the other
recommendations.

•	D. Members requested clarification to make sure that the use of food in cattle
production was not limited.

The committee then returned to comments on A3 and C2. Comments were offered on A3, with
concern expressed regarding "RCRA regulation" and the surrounding paragraph. A committee
member shared that there are certain things that EPA already requires of states with regards to
the plans under RCRA, but there's concern about the terms "guidance" vs. "regulation." A
suggestion was offered to change the sentence to take out "RCRA" and instead, read "include
better guidance." However, the whole paragraph still caused concern. The first vote was
conducted on all the recommendations on food loss and water, except for A3 and C2. A vote to
pass A3 as amended was held and passed and a vote to pass C2 as amended was held and passed.

Pesticide Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion

Lauren Lurkins, Workgroup Chair, began the session by reviewing the charge to inform a
holistic pesticide program of the future and emphasizing that the workgroup members know that
crop protection tools are vital. The workgroup knew, or learned, that a lot of efficiency can be
gained in agriculture, to be able to do more with less, that pesticide usage in registration is
important to the Administration, and that these should be kept in mind in discussion of the
charge. She reviewed that the charge had two broad questions, first questioning how EPA could
reduce barriers to bringing crop protection tools to the market, while protecting the environment,
natural resources, human health, and safeguarding pollinators and endangered species. The
second charge question asked how EPA could improve consumer confidence and build trust with
the public regarding pesticides.

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The committee had regular monthly meetings, meeting 12 times between October of 2020 and
November 2021, with approximately 24 hours of discussion. Topics discussed included
consumer perceptions of pesticides; some trade issues; pesticide industry efforts on
sustainability; the process for registration and reregi strati on of products; FIFRA; risk assessment
process; relationship between states and EPA; incident reporting; risk communication; and
worker protection. They heard from organizations such as the National Pesticide Information
Center, American Association of Pest Control Officers, and Crop Life America, in addition to
EPA staff and leadership.

The committee then walked through each recommendation. The first four recommendations
addressed the charge question of how EPA can better communicate with the public and improve
the availability of information.

On recommendation number one, comments included potential difficulties finding farmers
willing to step forward to be the face, requests to make to encourage communication about the
risks AND benefits, in the risk communication.

No initial comments on number two.

On number three, a question was raised about the type of support for the National Pesticide
Information Center. The response was that there is a grant to support NPIC, but support has
lessened over time, reducing the days and hours the program is open. The intention was to
continue to support, if not increase, funding. Committee members shared their positive
impression from the NPIC staff, and their approach to educating the public. A question was
raised about ensuring that NPIC gives a well-rounded, consistent information that's not biased.
The workgroup responded that registrants have included it on their labels for years, and that they
use multiple formats to get information across, with a lot of resources that could come to the land
grants.

On number four, the first question was regarding implementation and how consumers would
access information. The response from the workgroups is that they have a toll-free number, and
really speak about pesticide benefits and risks, to help people understand the whole process. The
workgroup advised to be cautious to put additional burden on the registrant to come up with a
super lengthy label while noting comparisons to labels on food products. Another comment
noted that by incorporating land-grant universities the EPA would be more proactive educating
the public than reactive waiting for them to call a toll-free number. Extension agencies could
have an outward facing education program without having to get calls about pesticide safety.
Another question raised concern about an onslaught of emails. The workgroup responded that
these issues were very similar to what was discussed in the workgroup meetings. Through their
extensive research they saw how very difficult it is to explain issues such as data and analysis to
the public. A final question asked to explain the issue regarding data that DAA Li raised, to
which the workgroup responded that the next recommendations address that, but that the
challenge is for the public to understand the higher-level issues.

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The committee then switched to discussing specific word choices in the recommendations
addressing the first charge question. On the first recommendation, the conversation looked at
whether or not to include the terms "benefits" and "risks", concerns over the risks being
perceived as alarmist as complex risk is difficult to understand; that the general public primarily
wants to know if a product is safe; that something missing in the public dialogue is information
about the risks and benefits; that communicating the process should be part of the conversation;
and complex issues such as risk coming from improper use. The workgroup conversation had
emphasized the need for the public to understand and respect the process EPA utilizes and that
these products are important to society. The sentence was modified to remove the word benefit.

On the second recommendation, a question was asked about the meaning of "two-way
communication" and with whom EPA would be communicating. The workgroup intended for the
communication to be with various groups of stakeholders, and not just one-way, such as through
press releases. The committee opted to add a phrase clarifying that it be with stakeholders
outside the agency, or doing more outreach, to have a back-and-forth process. The workgroup
opted to add a clarification indicating external stakeholders.

On the fourth recommendation, discussion was raised about what kind of consumers, general
public (such as with disinfectants and mothballs) or ag product users. Agreement arose that a
consumer-friendly standard label for household pesticide products was needed.

The committee then voted and approved the recommendations as amended, under pesticide
charge question one.

The discussion of the recommendations regarding pesticides was split between Day 1 and Day 2.

On Day 2, the committee reviewed the recommendations related to the second charge question,
asking how EPA can reduce barriers to bringing crop protection tools to market while at the
same time protecting the environment, natural resources, human health, as well as safeguarding
pollinators and endangered species. Ms. Lurkins read out each recommendation first.

On the first recommendation, a question was asked about how this would work in the case of a
new registration that a farmer hasn't used. Workgroup members clarified that a lot of
consultation happens before something goes to market, and in his experience of meeting with the
Administrator, includes discussion with farmers over what the supplier has set regarding
application rates. A new product is usually replacing another product or multiple products, so
there's a good idea of how a product is going to be used, and through testing with universities
and independent contractors you can go back to where a product will be used in different
scenarios. In the past, registrations were looser and now the actual label is more specific about
how a product is going to be used. In new registrations, there's not likely going to be as much
discrepancy.

A concern about supply chain also arose, expressing concern over altering a registration and the
impact for growers, when purchases have already been made out a year or two. A workgroup
expressed a wish to have more a consultation with ag groups about the impact of a change,
similar to the Animal Ag Discussion Group. To check in during reregi strati on to understand the

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timelines for farmers, as over the past several decades, farmers have been pushed by industry to
make choices much earlier than before, moving from spring, to now having to lock in purchases
5-6 months earlier (around September/October) and anticipate what they will need. Another
workgroup member advised that the wording couldn't be definitive because it depends on
geographic location and crop, so the issue is to really allow farmers time to react to a decision. In
the past, decisions have allowed time, typically not immediately stopped use. But things go to
court and that can change things. The workgroup agreed upon slightly different language.

On the second recommendation, a question was asked to elaborate on the Animal Ag Discussion
Group, but not questions on the content.

On number three, regarding ESA, a comment was made that this is a very important bullet point.
On the last two questions looking at worker protection, the question was raised about whether to
include landscapers. The workgroup responded that the intention was to include any part of the
industry and that the WPS does apply to landscapers, but historically the alliances across
workforces aren't well known so adjusting the language to more explicitly capture all workers
might be considered. The committee debated being specific about types of trade associations, but
that this would limit the scope too much and potentially leave some out, so the term
"agricultural" was removed from before "trade associations" so to in good faith acknowledge the
broad workforce, that's fluid, moving between segments. Ms. Lurkins also emphasized that as a
group, they learned so much about worker protection, such as the evolution of the rules, areas
that are still controversial, the challenges about communication between languages, and literacy
and effective resources. A final comment from a committee member emphasized a hope that
EPA would improve the modeling system. The committee then voted on the recommendations
for the second pesticide charge question and approved them as amended.

Water Ad Hoc Workgroup Report and Committee Discussion

Jamie Burr, the workgroup chair, reported on the work of the Ad Hoc Workgroup on Water.
Since the last committee meeting in November 2021, the workgroup met approximately 18
times, hosting guest speakers from EPA and other organizations. After finishing
recommendations on ecosystems market systems, the workgroup began working on quantity and
reuse. At that point, the workgroup engaged with EPA regarding the announcement on WOTUS,
and as the committee was interested in providing comments on WOTUS, the quality/reuse
question was deprioritized in order to address the time sensitive issues surrounding WOTUS.

Ecosystems Management Systems

Mr. Burr then began with a summary of the recommendations regarding Ecosystems Markets,
noting that the FRRCC is utilizing the term Ecosystems Management System (EMS). Mr. Bun-
read out the recommendations regarding EMS, and the workgroup opted to discuss those
recommendations before deliberating on the WOTUS recommendations.

Mr. Burr introduced the EMS recommendations, indicating that farmers, ranchers, and rural
communities have already been on an improvement continuum. The workgroup discussed the
economics, the growing population, and the aging of the farmer community. He then presented
the detailed EMS recommendations.

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Following presentations by guest speakers, the committee began deliberation on the EMS
recommendations. The first comment from a workgroup member advocated that the language be
as broad and flexible as possible, as it relates to the market mechanisms that are going to be
looked at by EPA. Florida was offered as an example, where a public goods payment for
environmental services framework is used due to credit trading for decades, raising issues such
as setting the markets, size, various types of gains, quantification challenges including the need
to have a minimum or foundational level.

The next question asked about the balance of roles, and where a division between EPA and
USDA roles are. The workgroup response reviewed that several market schemes have been
developed recently. The purpose of the recommendation document was to start chalking the field
so that farmers and ranchers are treated fairly. The document is intended to provide guidance but
not set the market, which should be free enterprise in their opinion. The document is intended to
provide guidance on creating a credit, verifying the credit, etc. EPA would have some regulatory
aspects relating to greenhouse gas or water quality, but as it relates to what are the practices that
could be implemented/what is the environmental benefit that would stay in the USDA space.

The next comment proposed that a place for follow-up work would be on making sure that
farmers receive a large portion of the benefit, rather than service providers as it's a concern that
has been heard that the people who are doing all the work are not going to get enough of the
benefits to make it worthwhile.

Next, a committee member felt that the value of the farmer, or small groups may not be stressed
enough, considering that ingenuity/innovation starts often at the local level. The document could
outline a space for participation of smaller groups, like watershed or conservation districts
groups, alongside partnerships such as USDA, FDA, and EPA.

On the third recommendation regarding EMS, committee members suggested using the word
incentive, to provide flexibility as just credit ties into a market.

On 3D, a committee member commented that the practice standards that are in place don't
change/update fast enough to catch up to innovations and technologies moving forward. There's
a time gap of a couple years for practice standards to catch up. By bringing those farmers and
ranchers to the table would let the program be more solid, as evidenced through an example of a
recent watershed project that included a group of producers in the planning.

The committee discussed the relationship between the terms "conservation" and "best
management" practices, being that the words are not always interchangeable but in action,
sometimes USDA's conservation practices are used as EPA's best management practices. And in
some opinions, the practices should be the consistent. The committee worked on language that
clarified that conservation practices are developed at USDA, and that EPA should work with
USDA.

The group then discussed quantification of the environmental improvement, and of the cost,
which would both be challenging with ranges in regional costs and different soil conditions.

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The committee then voted and passed the EMS recommendations as amended.

Waters of the United States (WOTIJS)

Mr. Burr reported out that the workgroup began working on WOTUS recommendations in mid-
September 2021. Through the Agricultural Nutrient Policy Council, the workgroup asked
agricultural and industry groups to seek input from their constituents, from farmers and ranchers,
about where there have been opportunities and challenges— for example, where there has been a
jurisdictional determination of waters of the state on their land. The response was low. All the
feedback through commodity organizations was that farmers were concerned about being
identified through such an exercise. Another committee member added that they received a few
stories or case studies, and they will still work on that. It doesn't come quickly in the middle of
harvest or while getting ready for harvest, but there's a real problem that people are afraid to
come forward to be examples of good or bad experiences and that's a real struggle. If the
committee receives additional examples, it's not too late to supply them to the Agency.

Mr. Burr then read out the summary of the recommendations. Regarding the roundtables, the
committee had received some feedback that there was concern regarding the process for each
region and how a cross section of stakeholders could be identified. The workgroup's concern
was that farmers may not want to be put into that situation where there could be disagreement
and felt that the EPA should go back to the past process of hearing from the public, from all
stakeholders. The workgroup felt that the roundtable process should be reconsidered to make
sure that all parties should be heard equally.

A comment was shared with a counter opinion that if EPA could get a balanced representation,
by technical experts, to get into some of the issues in more depth, that regional roundtables
would be acceptable, especially if paired with continuing the ability of the public to weigh in.
Another comment on the roundtables used an example in California's sustainable groundwater
management process, that no matter how hard the agency worked for years, at the last minute
things would change. So, the best thing to do is to leave the language as it is in the
recommendation, as hybrid adds more work, as well.

The committee had no more comments and voted to pass the recommendations.

Following the WOTUS vote, Mr. Burr briefly reviewed the issues that the workgroup had
considered addressing on water quality.

Wrap Up and Closing Remarks

Agriculture Advisor Snyder expressed his gratitude for the large amount of work volunteered by
the committee, including intense work during this meeting. He reiterated EPA leadership's
interest in understanding the work and willingness to collaborate going forward. He provided a
review of next steps for the FRRCC, including renewing the charter, establishing a new charge,
and assessing membership as some members' terms expire in June 2022. The current charter
expires February 7, 2022, and the Agency would begin the process for renewal. A new charge is

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also being discussed, as the work from the prior charge has been completed. Once the current
recommendations are presented, he will work with the Administrator on updating the charge
topics. As the charge is developed in early 2022, EPA will be able to better understand the
membership balance of expertise needed to address the issues. EPA will reach out to all the
members whose terms are expiring to discuss if they would like to be considered for renewal.
Snyder thanked the committee for their service, and there will be a call for nominations, a formal
nomination process in the spring.

McDonald then clarified that he and the other chairs would put these recommendation
documents into a report format, which would be moved forward to the Administrator, and he
would seek an in-person meeting with the Administrator. He provided closing remarks on the
value of policy advice to the Administrator on issues important to agriculture, his appreciation to
the committee and adjourned the meeting.

Public Comments

Public comments took place at the end of day one. There were no public comments made on day
two of the meeting. Three individuals registered in advance to provide public comments.
Commenters are listed and provided statements in the order in which they registered.

1. Mike Hyde, Duchesne County Community Development Director, Duchesne, Utah

Thank you. I'm wearing two hats today. One is as a policy analyst for the Utah public
lands policy coordinating office, but I'm also jointly employed with Duchesne County in
northeastern Utah. We are a county of about 2 million acres with about only 20,000
people. Probably at least twice as many cattle as we have people in the county. So, we
are definitely a farming, ranching and rural community with the largest city in our county
being about 7,000 population.

I couldn't attend the entire meeting today, but I understand you're talking about
pesticides, and I just wanted to comment that whatever is done, we do need to keep use of
pesticides available for our farmers and ranchers. We occasionally have grasshopper and
cricket outbreaks out in this area, and mosquito control. We need pesticides for that.

We had a large amount of our water transferred out of our basin to the Salt Lake metro
area back in the 1960's and 70's as part of the central Utah project and as a result they
created a lot of artificial, manmade wetlands out in our area to make up for the habitat
loss, and thus, we have a lot of mosquitoes too. Please, whatever you do, maintain the
ability for grasshopper, cricket, and mosquito control as you move forward.

Also understand you were talking about water quantity, and we, about 20 percent of our
land area is natural — national forest and about 13 percent is a wilderness area in the
national forest, and it's very critical that we have active forest management to reduce the
density of vegetation on the forest.

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Each tree is a straw dipping into that available water, and with active management we can
provide more water quantity and also help reduce the risk of uncharacteristic wildfire.
Think of it as when you plant a garden in your back yard, first thing you do, you put your
seeds in the ground and then the packet tells you once the seedlings come up you got to
thin them out for them to have enough water and other things to grow and prosper.

Same thing with the forest. Need to keep it managed and thinned out. And we've seen a
lot of uncharacteristic wildfires as a result of kind of a hands-off management in the past,
treating the forest more like a museum than a farm.

We also need more opportunities to store water, because out in the west we don't get a lot
of water in many areas. We get about 10 inches of rain per year here, so we need
opportunities to have water storage, so we have water in times of drought.

And finally, I think you were talking about water quality. We had a major fire out here a
couple years ago, and the resulting flooding after fire from debris flow got into our main
reservoir, and we had to do a 27-million-dollar upgrade to our water treatment plant as a
result of flooding after fire so —

So another issue is salinity in terms of water quality. If more funding can be made
available to help upgrade irrigation away from flood irrigation to pivot, we can reduce the
amount of salinity getting into the water, especially into the Colorado River Basin.

Thank you very much.

2. Mary-Thomas Hart, Deputy Environmental Council for the National Cattlemen's
Beef Association, Washington, DC.

Hello and thank you so much for the opportunity to provide input this afternoon. I'm
Mary-Thomas Hart, Environmental Council for the National Cattlemen's Beef
Association. NCBA, nation's oldest trade association representing cattle producers, nearly
250,000 represented.

Land management is inherent part of management business which is why cattle producers
across the country are heavily invested in Army Corps.

We look forward to engaging with the agencies as they reconsider the definition of
WOTUS. We seek to find balance between protecting our nation's water and supporting
conservation centric land management. As this committee considers water quality
recommendations for the Agency, I'll highlight 3 issues within WOTUS today that most
significantly impact cattle producers.

Isolated features - America's native grasslands sprinkled with isolated wetlands and
ponds do not significantly contribute to downstream water quality and should not receive
same amount of scrutiny as tributaries. Healthy livestock, without additional burdensome
permitting requirements. Second is ephemeral features, as agencies consider how to best

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draw jurisdictional lines related to tributaries, we urge agencies to require both presence
of physical indicators and flow metric. Previous iterations have relied on one of those
factors but not successfully combined two.

By combining present physical indicators and either year-round or seasonal flow, the
agencies can ensure resources are aimed at protecting tributaries that contribute most
significantly to downstream water quality. Agriculture exemptions - Farmers and
ranchers benefit from a number of exemptions, both definition of WOTUS and permitting
requirements.

Prior converted cropland, ag storm water and irrigation return flows. While important,
they mean little if inadequately interpreted. Specifically related to normal 404 practices
exceptions, farmers have little certainty in the ability of this exemption to protect them
from liability.

NCBA urge not to rest on 404 exemptions in not drafting any WOTUS definition, final
cropland definition as finalized by navigable water retention rule and urges it in any
additional rule makings.

Thank you so much for your time.

3. Allison Crittenden, Director of Congressional Relations, American Farm Bureau
Federation, Washington, DC

American Farm Bureau is nation's largest general farm organization, and we represent
farmers and ranchers in all 50 states including Puerto Rico. I would be remiss if I did not
utilize this opportunity to emphasize the integral role of environmental goals set by this
administration.

Without access to wide variety of pesticide products, farmers would not be able to use
environmental practices like no till farming and minimize food waste and loss—

We strongly encourage EPA to avoid greater label restrictions at this time which are
likely to exacerbate shortages or catastrophic market disruptions.

Farm Bureau is concerned over remarks regarding dicamba. We implore the Agency to
swiftly advise growers and involve them in the decision making of how they're planning
to make changes to this label. There are some major supply chain impacts that will result
if they deviate from the existing dicamba label. Farmers are already making planning
decisions for next year, and as I said, any departure from these existing labels would
cause great disruption and potentially lead to yield loss.

As EPA works through its decision-making process regarding pesticides, we are
appreciative of the efforts conducted by FRRCC and subsequent recommendations to the
Agency, including afocus on a holistic pesticide approach and science-based processes.
The general public may not be aware of the robust registration process and environmental

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benefits made possible due to use of crop production technologies. We welcome future
communications to the general public about how farmers can safely use pesticides and
not impact the environment and minimize off-target applications. A working group as
established by 2018 Farm Bill recently convened meeting to discuss endangered species
consultation issues. As EPA considers next steps, it should consider formalizing farmer
involvement and registration process including usage rates and patterns. Should EPA
move forward with this, ensure farmers who grow different crops including minor crops
are involved.

We anticipate the administration will explore reforms to the Worker Protection Standard,
act on FRRCC recommendations to insist materials and create inventory of already
available training resources. Agency should understand how use of existing resources
can be amplified rather than creating new standards.

Farm Bureau encourages EPA to receive input from this stakeholder group in the future.
We are pleased to hear the Agency renewed charter for FRRCC so this important work
can continue. Appreciate opportunity to provide perspective on conversations that took
place today regarding how EPA can respond to recommendations made by the Farm,
Ranch and Rural Communities Advisory Committee. Thank you.

Meeting Materials, Reference
All meeting materials can be found at:

https://www.epa.gov/faca/farm-ranch-and-mral-communities-federal-advisorv-committee-firrcc-
meeting-calendar

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Certification of Meeting Summary

The meeting summary was submitted by Venus Welch-White, PhD, Designated Federal Officer,

I, William Thomas McDonald, Chair of the Farm, Ranch and Rural Communities Advisory
Committee, certify that this is the final meeting summary for the public meeting held on
November 15-16, 2021, and it accurately reflects the discussions and decisions of the meeting.

William Thomas McDonald, FRRCC Chair

DISCLAIMER: The Farm, Ranch and Rural Communities Advisory Committee is a chartered
federal advisory committee, operating under the Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA; 5
U.S., App. 2). The committee provides advice to Administrator of the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency on specific topics of unique relevance to agriculture as identified by the
Agriculture Advisor to the Administrator, in such a way as to provide thoughtful advice and
useful insights to the Agency as it crafts environmental policies and programs that affect and
engage agriculture and rural communities. The findings and recommendations of the Committee
do not represent the views of Agency, and this document does not represent information
approved or disseminated by EPA.

FRRCC.

Tom

McDonald

Digitally signed by

Tom McDonald
Date: 2022.02.14
14:20:37 -06'00'

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