SNEP Forum
Webinar Transcript
June 13, 2023

Adam: Alright, hello everyone my name is Adam Reilly, and I am the communications coordinator for the
Southeast New England Program and on behalf of myself and the rest of the SNEP team I am thrilled to
welcome you to our first in-person event since the beginning of COVID, our 2023S NEP public forum.
Thank you all so much for being here but before we get started, I did just want to go over a few things.
First, we already have our first lost and found item, if you are the owner of a blue fleece jacket that was
somewhere in the vicinity of those stairs over there your jacket is now with Emily DiFranco at the
registration desk. Second if you have not yet registered or received your name tag, after this session
please feel free to go back to the registration desk and pick up your name tag there. And then the last
thing is just if you require the use of elevators, the elevators are right by the room three breakout room so
if you go out these doors, take a left straight down that way, the elevators are right there, right before that
classroom. And then the bathrooms, if you haven't found them, are back in the poster presentation area
right along the gray brick wall here. The next things that I just wanted to briefly chat about, everyone who
received their program today on the back has a full map of the location or excuse me of our venue. We
are here in building H, there are no refreshments provided directly in the breakout rooms but all
refreshments and lunch and snacks are available for purchase in Building G so you go right out the main
doors here, take a right and building G is located right there. Finally, I know many of you have already
had the pleasure of visiting our poster presentations but if you haven't already I do encourage you to
please check out our posters; we have I think almost 20 excellent poster presentations that will be
available for the duration of the event so I highly encourage you to check those out during our transition
and networking breaks. This just brings me to the agenda and we will start in about a minute with our
opening remarks from regional administrator David Cash. We are thrilled to also have Dr. Christopher
Obropta from Rutgers University here and then around 11:00 after a break we'll get directly into our
breakout rooms to dig into the meat of today. So we have three breakout room sessions, each with about
three or four concurrent discussion sessions that are led by our excellent facilitators. I do strongly
encourage each of you to really bring your voices to these discussions because all of the material that will
be shared with us and that comes out of the discussions today will be directly incorporated into the plan
for the Southeastern New England Program over the next few years. WS exist because you're here and
we want to make sure that we are doing right by the communities that we serve and part of that is by
hearing your opinions and your thoughts on the direction of our program so that's why we're here today
and again we thank you. So with that I am thrilled to hand it over to our regional administrator, Dr. David
Cash. Dr. Cash, if you give me one moment, I will put you up on the screen.

David: Great.

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Adam: You're good to go.

David: Alright excellent. Thank you so much Adam and it's great to hear that there's so many people in
person and it's the first time in many years doing this in person and I gotta say I love the ability to do the
hybrid so that I can drop in for 10 or so minutes to make this introductory remarks and to be part of at
least the remote community of all the work that's going on here with such a great mix of different partners
from Academia and Municipal Partners, Federal and State, NGOs and Tribal Partners and it's just great to
have everybody in the room both physically and virtually; so again thanks for having me and Adam thanks
for pulling all this together and the whole team. So it's been 10 years since the founding of SNEP and in
that time there's been an investment of 53 million dollars in federal funding that's also leveraged another
12 million to support clean and healthy waters, thriving watersheds, natural lands and sustainable
communities. And none of this I think would have been possible without the incredible support from the


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Massachusetts and Rhode Island Congressional Delegations and a special shout out to Senator Jack
Reed whose years of service and dedication to the Narragansett Bay Region 1 supported the stewardship
of our local coastal environment for now and for future generations. And I know that there are folks here,
special shout out to folks from Senator Whitehouse's office, I think project director Nissa Pistachio is here
and from Senator Markey's office policy fellow Alex Swanson; thanks for showing up today and of course
the rest of the Congressional Delegation has always put SNEP funding as a high priority and there's been
huge benefits from that. In addition to Adam, thanks so much to the EPA staff Mary Jo Feuerbach and
Margarita Pryor, Ian Dombroski, Matt Stamis and Haley Miller a phenomenal team I know that you'll all be
interacting with them throughout the day today.

This is a pretty incredible time to be in this program with the passage of bipartisan infrastructure law and
since then our region has been working diligently to implement this huge step in investment in both
environment and infrastructure throughout all of New England. SNEP itself is receiving 15 million dollars
over five years from bill to target critical areas of infrastructure improvement, increased environmental
stewardship, restoration and of course the reversal of environmental injustices throughout Southeast New
England. SNEPs already received the first 6 million dollars of these funds and just to give a quick outline I
know some of you are deep into the weeds of this but all of you might not know where some of the
funding has gone so, 1.15 million of that funding has gone to Barnstable County Department of Health in
Massachusetts alternative septic system test center to develop a management entity for reducing
nitrogen pollution from septic systems in the Cape Cod Waters and I gotta say part of the Brilliance of the
bipartisan infrastructure law is that it's allowed the regulatory side of the house to move forward
aggressively knowing that there's infrastructure funding and so you know I think knowing the bipartisan
infrastructure law allowed Massachusetts, the state to move forward with some of its regulatory program
on the Cape and those two hand in hand are really going to make a huge difference. So in addition,
625,000 dollars went to USGS to research the impact of septic systems and sewering on d nutrients and
groundwater and will soon be announcing the recipients of 915,000 dollar funding to enhance
decentralized wastewater in Rhode Island. In addition SNEP is actively accepting applications for 2.3
million dollars to fund stormwater and national infrastructure investment projects. And to date this
amounts to nearly five million dollars investment from the bill funds into the SNEP region and this is just
the beginning. SNEP is also really excited to announce the creation of a new program, the SNEP
Opportunity to Advance Resilience, or otherwise known as SNEP SOAR fund and that fund will allocate 5
million dollars over the next four years to address climate resiliency in disadvantaged communities
throughout Southeast New England and that first 1.25 million will be announced over the next few
months.

So we're here today to ensure that our program continues to meet the needs of our regional partners, the
three federally recognized tribes, the Narragansett tribe, the Wampanoag tribe of Gay Head Aquinnah,
and the Mashpee Wampanoag tribe and Rhode Island, Massachusetts Regional NGO partners and the
33 municipalities from the SNEP region. So it's wonderful to have representatives from all these different
partners here to talk about the future in moving forward and that just leads me to the closing of what are
the fundamental themes that we're focusing on? And it's collaboration, innovation and growth and each of
those voices that I mentioned and others in the room hold the power that we need to continue this
important work. So it's phenomenal to again to have this meeting where everybody can be primarily in
person and those who are able to remotely engage and now it's my pleasure to introduce our next
speaker, Dr. Christopher Obropta. Dr. Obropta has a background in watershed management, water
quality modeling, hydrologic and hydraulic modeling, and Coastal Engineering. He teaches bio resource
engineering design at Rutgers University where he directs student design teams to develop solutions for
complex real-life engineering problems just like the ones I highlighted above and you'll be talking about at
this meeting. With his impressive background Dr. Obropta leads a highly specialized team of professional
staff creating innovative solutions for water quality issues in New Jersey, so looking forward to hearing
what he has to say that can be lessons learned for Southern New England. So with that I will turn it over
to Dr. Obropta, thank you so much everybody and have a great series of discussions.


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Adam: Thank you so much Dr. Cash.

Christopher: Dr. Cash, what a cool name Cash huh? Guy gives out all the money from EPA, name's
Cash, that's great-1 love that. Well thanks for having me here, I drove from New Jersey yesterday, I truly
appreciate all the things that stuff going on New England with 95 and Connecticut, makes me understand
New Jersey isn't the only state with traffic, it's wonderful. So my name is Christopher Obropta with the
Rutgers Cooperative Extension Service. Cooperative Extension's been around for about 100 years,
Rutgers University's land grant college for the state of New Jersey just like UMass is up in Massachusetts
and University of Rhode Island is for Rhode Island, part of our job is to extend the knowledge university
out to the states and help people solve their problems so I created the Water Resources program at
Rutgers and this is our mission statement; like all mission statements, it has all appropriate buzzwords in
it, what it really means is my job is really to empower and engage communities, deliver science-based
solutions, economical solutions and help them implement them. So I do that throughout New Jersey and I
work in some very urban areas and that's what I'm going to talk a lot about today.

So we've created a community-based green infrastructure program at Rutgers and we started in a city
called Camden. Now Camden it's not just the poorest city in New Jersey it's often labeled the poorest city
in the country. It's always in the top ten with crime, it has combined Source systems so when you flush
your toilet and it rains it goes in the same pipe, and whenever we get about a quarter inch to a half inch of
rain that system overflows a slurry of human waste and rainwater into the streets, the basements, into
local waterways in Camden. I know it sounds medieval but it's happening today, not just in Camden but in
21 other communities in New Jersey. It's Not unusual in Canada for them to have to pick up toilet paper
off the athletic fields before the kids go out and play so that's kind of what we're talking about so lots of
flooding issues.

So we went into Camden and we started doing these green infrastructure plans for the communities and
the idea was that we're going to go in and try to help fix Camden. Now when we went to Camden and
started talking to people they said, yeah we know Rutgers, you're the State University, you come here all
the time- you study us, you do these great design charrettes, you design great green street projects and
then the first week of May. you're gone. You guys get your grades, nothing ever gets built and we're stuck
here in Camden being your test subjects. So we said, well we're not that Rutgers, we're The Cooperative
Extension Service, we're actually going to build stuff, I'm going to fix problems and it's okay, we'll believe
it when we see it. So we started having local meetings first and we have Community meetings in
Camden, there's about 20 discreet neighborhoods in Camden so the idea is going to have five community
meetings throughout the city. So the first community meeting we have is in the evening, we have lots of
food and we bring Tupperware. We have a place for the kids to play and we have people to watch the
kids, you have toys and coloring books and stuff and at the end of the night people take all the leftovers
home with them, the kids take the toys home with them. At the second meeting, we had double, triple the
turnout because people heard what was going on at the first couple meetings. We asked the people what
they want, what they need? Not telling them what they need like the universities always think they can do.
We went in and we said we know flooding's an issue, we helped educate them, they had no idea that
when they're wading through water in the rain that's a mixture of human waste and rainwater, they had no
idea about this. This became a serious problem for them so the idea was, what are your problems?
Where's the flood? Tell us where floods are, tell us what your issues are and that's what we kind of did.

So we went to these different meetings, we had these 20 neighborhoods, we identified different features
of neighborhoods. Churches are really big in urban areas, it's really where a lot of people gather so
churches, schools, parks and trying to understand where we can actually go in and make some fixes.

We did neighborhood maps and then we actually went out and walked around the neighborhood with the
people. Now, Camden is a focus of a lot of different groups. EPA Region 2 was giving out money so they
gave money out to a consulting company out in Oregon and they're going to come and do green
infrastructure, identification of projects in Camden and so we talked to them on the phone, you know, as
part of this Camden collaborative group and they said well we're going to just do it remotely from our desk


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in Oregon. We said okay, that's not going to work; you have to go out and talk to the people, walk around
the site and see the site and that's exactly what we did.

So out of this we came up with 40 different green infrastructure projects, 20 in each neighborhood and as
we're doing the plans we're building the projects okay, so people are actually seeing things go in the
ground. It takes a long time to gain trust of an urban community, but if you tell them you're going to do
something and you actually deliver on it, that's a great way to build trust.

So we had all these projects going in and then we actually built a bunch of rain gardens, we did a lot of
rainwater harvesting projects, we gave out rain barrels, planted a lot of trees and the whole thing was
about building these relationships so we had local people there. We have in the bottom left-hand slide
here you can see, that's the local priest and with him is the Mayor. So we do clean up days and the Mayor
shows up, she brings her gloves she brings her clippers and she's helping out. The priest is there with all
his patrons from his church. In the right-hand Corner is the New Jersey Tree Foundation woman, Jessica.
She's planting a lot of trees throughout the city. So let me actually go ahead and we have these local
Champions, so this fella right here is Andy Cricken, he runs the Camden County Municipal Utility
Authority which is actually located in Camden so that's the wastewater treatment plant for about 40
different municipalities all drained down to Camden and Camden has a plant in its city so Andy decided
that he was going to use some money to actually fix some of Camden, put in some green infrastructure
practices, not just to deal with stormwater issues but to help beautify the city, so he became a leader in
this.

And then we have a lot of other people very committed to this and then the important thing is getting the
kids involved. Once again you have the mayor in the center picture there and this was her elementary
school that she went to and the kids were there and they were painting rain barrels, they were singing
songs about the rain which was just really pretty phenomenal and this becomes what we're trying to
accomplish.

So what we decided was there's a driving force to this, so we formed what we call Municipal Action
Teams and the idea was we're going to form a collaborative group of state and local regulators, right,
bring them into the meeting, local government officials, utility authorities, people, community groups and
of course residents and a university. And the whole idea is to come up with a kind of collective vision and
work together to achieve this division, so how do we get these folks to kind of advocate for green
infrastructure? And that's what we're trying to accomplish here.

So this Collective approach has kind of five pieces to it right, so this first piece here we're talking about
common agenda. So what's the common agenda? Now every group at the table has their own mission
statement, has their own vision of what they need to do, so what we need to do is come up with a
common agenda that we can all work together to achieve that common agenda and at the same time
while they're achieving that agenda they can also achieve their own group's mission and goals, right,
together we're stronger. In this case our common agenda was to use green infrastructure as the first line
of defense for stormwater management and that's what we came up with, everybody agreed upon it and
then we started thinking about okay well we need some backbone support for this organization, no
collaborative works unless you have back some bone support. So this group here, I can tell Adam's one
of these guys who is kind of helping run this, and there's a whole bunch of names up there I saw, so
there's people behind this kind of making sure things happen. So in this case we had a local organization
Cooper's Ferry and they provide some backbone support and then we had of course the Camden County
Social facilities Authority and then we had Rutgers Cooperative Extension and the idea was you get
people together and they begin trusting each other, okay, so then we actually think about shared
measurement. We're all doing different things but we want to measure it using the same metrics. How
many gallons of water are managed? How many acres of impervious cover are being treated? How many
people are being educated? So we can aggregate all the impact that we have and we can use that and
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And then we have this these mutual reinforcing activities so we're in a place and we're building the rain
garden library, Cooper's Ferry comes in or Center for Environmental Transformation comes in and they're
doing rain barrel workshops at the library, right, we get the kids from the school nearby to come and plant,
now we're educating kids so how do we build upon things and keep joining things, building and building
and working together and building off of each other? And then finally continuous communications. Now
you think about the urban areas, you know, some people have internet, a lot of people don't. A lot of times
we're putting flyers up on telephone poles to get people to come to meetings, you know, we're doing door
hangers, going around we have individuals from the community knocking on doors and we're paying
these folks to do that to get people to come out and kind of join us.

So out of this we formed this Municipal Action Team in Camden, we call the Camden SMART,

Stormwater Management Resource Training, one of our staff came up with that witty idea. So then we
formed other groups, Newark DIG, Doing Infrastructure Green, and another group in Patterson and Perth
Amboy, Jersey City; all these urban areas have combined so where all these are environmental justice
communities.

So in Camden we only had six partners when we started out and these were the partners and the city
wasn't really at the table but Cooper's Ferry was, so if we needed the mayor to be at something we would
tell Cooper's Ferry and they had the mayor's ear and she would come out and she'd do what they needed
to do but they weren't there every day but we had access to them and they believed in what was going
on. So we had this group here, now there are other groups in Camden, you show up to Camden and say
hey we want to do this and they say well we want to be part of it and you have 150 non-profit groups with
their hands out, where's our money? How do we get involved? So how do you whittle it down to a few
groups and then bring those other groups in as you need them and that's what we started to do.

We started educating folks, telling them about stormwater infrastructure, telling them about combine
overflows, we started talking a lot about green infrastructure but not neglecting gray infrastructure
because the Camden County starts getting a ton of money to replace piping and things like that but we
wanted people to know that we're not just focusing on building these beautiful landscape features to
manage stormwater but we're also dealing with some serious infrastructure issues right. And then we did
some education, some workforce development training. There's a group called Camden The Power Corp.
and they're like re-entry folks, just got out of county lockup and we're training them on how to do green
infrastructure, how to maintain it, how to take care of it.

Okay so here's a project that we had done in the South Ward this was an abandoned gas station we
made it into a rain garden park, now it's a gateway to the South Ward. We do a lot of rainwater harvesting
for community gardens. They won't put a spigot on a vacant lot in Camden because the water companies
worried about losing money so we harvest rain water from nearby rooftops and we use that water. We do
a lot of projects in schools, not just because you educate kids, but kids are free labor and they're small
and they're closer to the ground, it's easier for them to plant so it's a great way to get them involved.

The MUA was getting money there's an environmental infrastructure trust in New Jersey and that trust
says well if you're in a combined soar community you could borrow money and you don't have to pay half
of it back so 50% principal forgiveness. So Camden starts borrowing millions of dollars to do gray
infrastructure so they kept adding one or two million green infrastructure and they only had to pay half of
that back. So then you have these stormwater planters with pervious concrete behind it, you see it being
built here. You have the poorest asphalt parking lots at schools and then what wound up happening was
something interesting, they took the Camden SMART initiative. This is working out really well so let's
expand it, let's go bigger and they added other things to it so now they have all these other working
groups. The still have the water working group which is Camden SMART but now they have a Waste
Management Group which is dealing with dumping in the city, a lot of people go and dump in the city, air
quality issues, there's huge air quality issues in urban areas and open space in brownfields; so these are
now working groups that are going in Camden.


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So a few years later we went to Newark and we started working in Newark, way different dynamic.

Instead of 6 groups we have 160 groups involved right so all these groups are at the table, there's no one
backbone group but we have several: New York, New Jersey. Baykeeper a non-profit, local non-profitthe
South Ward Environmental Associations were there at Rutgers, cities at the table, Passaic Valley Sewage
Commissions at the table so you do have the utility storage cities there but they're not the main player.
The main player with the people in this. This group actually was able to get in the city, doing this work,
we've identified over 200 sites for green infrastructure and they just got a million and a half dollars to
begin building some projects this year just through this group, just through their work so it's been really
exciting.

So we think about engaging your community and this is kind of what we're trying to promote throughout
New Jersey and throughout the country is how do we do this right. So we think about this and we want to
really kind of create this opportunity where, you know, we do have these well actually teams we're
building, we're identifying the problems. Once again, you can't tell people what their problems are, you
have to go in and ask them, you have to be part of the identification of the problem they have to
understand that because that's where they're brought in at the very beginning and doing the strategy
about how to address that problem and developing a common agenda. What are you going to try to do?
What are you going to try to accomplish? And of course communication like I said before is key. You
really need to be able to get information out to people in a timely fashion. The worst that could happen is
whether the non-profits get blindsided that you're working in their neighborhood and you didn't tell them.
Oh my God it's horrible so you have to be careful about that. They're actually building things right so
building relationships not just projects but relationships.

So I've got folks that I've worked with in Newark who I've been working with for about 10 years now and
part of this was educating people, so we do a lot of education. These two women, Nicole and Kim, two
lovely black ladies who lived in Newark, Kim's a fourth-generation worker so they're promoting green
infrastructure, working together on this so they asked me, would you go with us to the city council
meeting? And we do this presentation at the city council meeting and Nicole gets up and starts talking,
now Nicole didn't know anything about green infrastructure until she met me and she's up there, she's
speaking and the words are coming out of her mouth as if they're my words coming out of her mouth. I'm
watching her and she's speaking, I'm like holy crap that's what I say and she's going on like she invented
green infrastructure and then Kim gets up and she does the same thing, enormous amount of passion
talking about you know her children and the water problems and the combined storm problems and how
green infrastructure is going to save it. They went through the whole presentation, I was supposed to get
up and do the last three slides and I get up and said listen I got nothing to say they said it all you know
and it was just so amazing, so impressive. Kim and I and Nicole and I are great friends now and we've
been friends for a long time. They're the people who call me on Sunday after church to ask me questions
about stormwater management which is interesting, so involve the community from the beginning; like I
said you got to get them involved in the beginning and then implement things. There's a million plans on
shelves you guys EPA knows this right how many plans has EPA done, those Watershed restoration
protection plans I must have 30 on my shelf, I never use anything in that plane except the last chapter
that identifies all the projects. I take that chapter out and I start building in those projects that's what we're
meant to do is fix the problems right. And finally we have to measure the impact, we have to analyze what
we're doing, why? Because that's how we get more money. EPA says hey we've got, I don't know, five
million dollars I think I saw up there. Well how are you going to get that? Well our group did this this and
this and here was our impact and if you give us more money we could have even more impact right, so
you have to measure that impact, it becomes very important.

So one thing that we talk a lot about is creating local leaders, we've realized that we need more Kim's and
Nicole's, so we created a program called Green infrastructure Champions right and we realized in New
Jersey and we got 565 municipalities in our state and I'm the one guy, the Water Resources Extension
Specialist who covers the whole state. I can be at a nighttime meeting every night for the rest of my life if I
wanted to do that so we need more people, we need more reach so we've started training these


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champions and the idea was that we bring these people together, we have 10 classes they start the
middle of January, it's a Friday morning from 10 to noon, we have virtual classes and then we have lots of
time for question and answer. We get on a half hour before stay a half hour after, answer a lot of
questions, a lot of people get engaged we do this every other week for about a 10 week period and then
everybody who takes one of five classes becomes certified and then we provide them some support. We
help them write grants, we help them design projects, we help them get things in the ground. Here's some
examples of some of the classes that we have. We have a class where we teach people how to go in
their community, identify where green infrastructure can go, and how to take those plans and move them
into action; how do we go from playing to implementation and maintenance? Oh God, maintenance is a
horrible thing. We need to know how to do, we need to make sure it gets done. And then finally one of the
classes the first year I taught is, we just finished our fifth year, first year I taught this they said we need
something on stormwater regulations. So once again listening to the client, what do you need? We want
something on regulations. So they wanted to know what new development was supposed to be doing
right so they can make sure and ensure that it was happening so we did a class in regulations. We do a
class on sustainable Jersey, trying to do green infrastructure sustainable Jersey in New Jersey. We have
a program called Sustainable Jersey, municipalities do different things to get different points, once they
get certain amount of points to be bronze, silver, and gold certified. Right about 80 percent of our towns
are part of that program, so it's a way to get people involved, get people engaged so we know they're
already captured audience, let's figure out how we can bring them to this. Then we have other classes,
we've got a class in schools like I said before, kids are great, we build projects at schools, we educate the
next generation so I don't have to keep doing this rest of my life, maybe they'll learn how to do this and do
this on their own. Rain garden designs, you build a lot of rain Gardens in New Jersey, trying to get people
to design them and build them take care of them. We have a lot of traditionally tension basins on New
Jersey that we want to retrofit and naturalize turn them into bioretention basins, we can, we've got a
whole class on that. We've got a whole class on how to do Master plans for a site, for a school, for a
neighborhood, for a town. And finally you have a class on climate change and green infrastructure. How
are the two linked together, how can green infrastructure help us make a town more resilient? So a few
weeks ago we actually had our first conference. We've had five years of this class it starts on January 12,
2024, it's free, you're all willing to sign up if you want, I'll get you information if you like that, actually
talked to the Massachusetts DEP folks and they're very excited about this and promoting this in Mass this
January to offer this class up here. We've got a lot of people from all over the country take this class, a lot
of people from Maine actually take this class. My son is actually a civil engineer for the Maine DEP and
he actually helps teach some of the class and a bunch of people from the Maine DEP took the course
which is really nice. A couple guys from Puerto Rico took the course, they're certified, I'm dying to go
down there and help them build rain gardens. I'm not sure what's going to happen in Colorado, Ohio so
it's a great opportunity. But we had a conference I guess about a month ago now and we brought the
Champions together. We called the R&D conference so for extension one of our big things is R&D and it's
not research and development it's ripoff and duplication right, so how do we go and steal things from
other people and use it? One of the best things I could find out is that someone's taken my program from
New Jersey and they're using it in Massachusetts or Rhode Island or Connecticut, that's a great thing and
I'm glad I helped them do that, anything to get that moving forward, why reinvent the wheel.

So we bring these people together and this is a group of them that we have and we bring them together
and they share ideas, what works in their town, what hasn't worked in their town. A lot of times what
hasn't worked is more important than what has worked because these people spent three, four or five
months trying to do something that just doesn't work so the next town is going to do the same thing. Well
tell them hey we tried that, didn't work but here is what worked, you know, here's how you can move
forward. So these are folks that we deal with and they're just a great opportunity so that's it good sure.
Any questions? No? Excellent, thank you, no questions. Yes. I'm sorry, you're gonna have to speak up a
little. So who takes a championship program? Why do they sign up?

Well the first year we did it we didn't think anybody would take it. We offered it, we made it free and we
were hoping oh maybe eight or ten people take five or more classes we had 35 people who took five or


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more classes, 85 people signed up. I've been going all over the state for about 20 years talking about
green infrastructure and things like that, a lot of people know me but it's a lot of environmental
Commissioners, it's a lot of planning officers, zoning officers from towns, I'd get engineers who take it
because they want continuing education credits and actually they get sucked in by that, we have folks
from New Jersey DEP were taking it, New Jersey DPS and Americorps program where they have people,
ambassadors or watershed ambassadors, a lot of those folks took it. And then I had a lot of people like
Rutgers extension officer program called Master Gardeners and we have another one called
environmental stewards and those people heard about it through Rutgers and they all took it, so it's
enormous amount of interest in it. The first year like I said we had about 75 sign up and we certified about
half of them because they took five or more classes, some people just came and took one class, I just
want to learn about rain gardens, they just took that class, it was fine. The second year we did it covid hit
and in middle of it we went virtual. We were very nervous about it but as soon as we went virtual other
people started attending, you know we had 285 sign up this year to take it, my Zoom maxes out at 500 so
that's the limit we can have but it's just crazy because I run it to people all the time and they say oh my
God it's you. I'm like what do you mean? It's me, yeah. It's yeah, this is me yeah. And they said well I I'm
in your class, oh yeah I remember you! There's people all in a little box like this, I really don't remember
you but yeah okay sure you know. But it's interesting because people are very excited about, they feel
like they're part of a community which is really cool and I like that a lot and they always contacted me they
do projects they send me information about stuff they're doing which is great. So yeah, it's grown over
time, like I said we didn't know it was going to work we just tried it and it worked so and now everybody
wants to be part of it so it's great. Anything else? Yes, in the back if I can hear you.

Bringing people together for a common agenda, you know, really sitting people around the table and
explaining to them that, you know, you're there to help them and you're not there for any other reason. I
used to be a consultant, I was an environmental consultant for years and I would sit at a table and
somebody would say we got this big problem and I would say well here's how you have to solve it and
they look at me see yeah you're a consultant you just want to make money. About a year later after I
came to Rutgers I went to that same table and people were there and talked about the same problem
nothing had happened and they said what should we do and I said the same thing I said when I was a
consultant I said oh my God thank God you're here from Rutgers you know it's great The University's at
the table. I said well I was here last year when I was sitting in that seat over there and I was wearing a
different hat and they said yeah but then you were trying to make money and now you're trying to help us
so I think being genuine is really what's important and listening to people. I mean not going there and just
talking at them but listening to what they really want what they really need and I think that's what really
makes that common agenda come together. We've had people walk away from the table though too this
common agenda really achieving that common agenda doesn't help my group achieve their mission so
they walk away which is fine. You know we are respectful of everybody's time, anybody who comes to the
table if they're doing something for the project we get a grant from EPA we divide the money up. You get
you get resources, you get funding for your participation. We never ask a non-profit group to participate
and do things unless we're going to give them a part of the piece of the pie and I think that's another thing
that we see a lot of a lot of times universities will suck up all the money and ask all the people to volunteer
their time, we don't do that you know. If you're working on the project you should be compensated for your
contribution and that's a big reason that people come to the table and trust us. I'll be around all day if you
have any more questions, thank you.

Adam: Thank you so much Dr. Obropta and we're thrilled to have you for the rest of the event today. You
know what I'm hoping that we took away from Dr. Obropta's presentation is the importance of
collaboration and you know, it's really one of the core tenants of the Southeast New England Program
and, you know, sometimes it's just really helpful to hear, you know, what folks are doing and how they're
addressing these same issues that we're facing in our region outside of the region, in New Jersey or
elsewhere. So what we're going to go to in our next segment is to just provide a brief overview of what our
program has been up to across the many, the multiple facets that exist within it. So first I'd like to


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introduce our community or excuse me our coordinator, Ian Dombroski, to provide a brief overview of the
EPA portion of the Southeast New England Program.

Ian: Hey everybody, walking across the stage felt like I was going to get my diploma or something like
that but thanks everybody for coming to this year's SNEP Community Forum, I'm super excited by the
turnout and to meet people and like meet space for the first time in like three years, very cool. So I'm Ian
Dombroski, EPA Region One. I'm going to quickly go over the program. So way back in 2012 congress
charged EPA with the development of a program to bring together the disparate environmental
organizations in Rhode Island and Southeastern Massachusetts. And a big thank you to our
Congressional delegations from Massachusetts and Rhode Island for having the vision to create this
program but they specifically charged us with focusing on water quality and habitat restoration with an
eye for innovation and especially collaboration with the various stakeholders in our region. As Dr Cash
alluded to federal, state, NGO, tribal Municipal, you name it, academic, businesses as well but all that in
order to try to focus our efforts on environmental protection and restoration in our unique and well-loved
coastal ecosystem.

So out of a few years of pretty intensive stakeholder collaboration the Southeast New England program
was born, what's called a geographic program were run out of EPA Region One with quite a bit of
stakeholder input from the various partners that I mentioned previously. We've been funded since 2014
and we covered the Buzzards and Narragansett Bay Watershed as well as the southern facing portion of
Cape Cod and the offshore Islands. As charged by Congress we do focus on water quality, funding and
technical assistance for water quality habitat and climate resilience for the most part, but we also have an
eye for Innovation collaboration transferable projects and we also try to focus on environmental justice in
all aspects of our program.

More recently we've developed a strategic plan which you can find on our website. The plan lays out
among other things our hopeful vision for the region for 2050 and how SNEP plans to help achieve that
vision. That all sort of boils down to, you know, healthy waters, healthy habitat, and resilient communities
and chances are if you're here today you're probably working towards that same goal.

Some of the ways that we hope to help achieve that vision are through five key actions. First, we want to
increase local capacity to execute and plan projects. Second, we want to invest in promising new
technologies and techniques to sort of add more errors to our quiver if you will. Third, we are trying to
ensure diverse representation in our decision making and also in our funding processes. We also try to
fund projects that address common challenges with the hope that you know lessons learned will be
transferable to other areas in the region and beyond. And finally we hope that by funding lots of projects
and advertising the results of said projects local community leaders will have you know more knowledge
and empowerment to take on projects and you know use new techniques.

So here's an overall snapshot of our structure just to orient you for the other talks that are going to be
after me today. We try to meet with our federal partners a few times a year just to discuss what everybody
has going on. We meet with our steering committee about quarterly, that's made up of federal, state,
tribal, NGO, partners, Academia and they really help us determine funding priorities and project priorities
each year. We also tap into a pool of experts in our monitoring and ecosystem subcommittees who will be
the chair people of those committees you'll be hearing from momentarily.

So with the help of our committees, we direct funding throughout the region. We started off back in 2014
with 2 million dollars and have been slowly creeping up to seven million dollars per year. As Dr. Cash
alluded to for the years of 2022 through 2026 we'll be getting an additional 3 million dollars through the
per year through the historic bipartisan infrastructure law for a total of 15 million dollars there.

We fund projects through a couple of different avenues, the biggest of which and you'll be hearing from all
these folks shortly, but the biggest of which is the SNEP Watershed implementation grants program or
SWIG which is restored by, is administered by Restore America's Estuaries. Our other big arm is the


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SNEP Network, this is a network of experts that provides no-cost technical assistance to communities as
well as trainings and various other services. They're run by the New England environmental Finance
Center out of the University of Southern Maine. EPA also provides funding for our two national Estuary
programs in the region being the Buzzards Bay and Narragansett Estuary Programs. And we also made
quite a few direct grants contracts and interagency agreements for projects of special interest to the
region.

Finally just wanted to highlight the scope of all the great work that our partners have been doing over the
10 last years and these numbers are just up through the end of fiscal year 2022 but we're closing in this
year on 150 total projects and sub projects funded with a lot more coming this coming year. The projects
have brought 45 million dollars through fiscal year 22 closer to 55 through fiscal year 23 with another 12
million dollars in matching funds. Together we've touched so many communities, I'm forgetting the exact
number, but it's close to 100 communities throughout the region I think we've some way impacted, you
know, we've contributed to the enhancement and protection of our environment and I just want to say let's
keep up the good work and I think we're all looking forward to hearing your feedback today so thank you.

Adam: Thank you Ian, next up I'd love to welcome to the stage Tom Ardito who's the director of our
SNEP Watershed Implementation Grants Program and is also representing Restore America's Estuaries.

Tom: Hey everybody, can you hear me okay? I'll be brief. I mean, I see so many familiar faces, it's so
great that so many of our grantees are here and members of our grants review committee and it's just
great to get everybody together in person and not on a zoom screen. I think many, if not most of you
certainly are familiar with our program. So again I'll be brief, I'm Tom Arduino I work for Restore America's
Estuaries. We're a non-profit that through a Cooperative agreement with EPA manages the SNEP
Watershed Grants Program or Watershed Implementation Grants we now call it.

Here we go, yeah so just to give you an overview, Ray has been managing the program since 2018 and
over that time we've awarded about 60 grants and since awe really emphasize partnerships so there's
probably I haven't counted but probably 150, 180 different organizations that have been funded through
this program. 12 million dollars in awards total and well you can see the numbers here. Most of our grants
are in the 100 to 400 thousand range.

We're in the middle of a grant cycle now as some of you know because you're working on proposals for
us and you know the program as a whole is a sort of the funding mechanism to support the strategic plan
goal vision and goals that Ian mentioned so really we see the program is really trying to support that
strategic plan and the vision of healthy ecosystem and communities throughout the SNEP region. But
specifically for this year you know we looked at some aspects of our region and programmatic aspects to
support that and it includes looking at small cities and urban environments because here in Southern New
England these small coastal cities are such a big, such an important part of our region both culturally,
environmentally and economically we also looked at the need or emphasized the need to restore and
conserve Urban, I mean sorry, rural and natural landscapes because that's another great thing about
Southeast New England is we do have so many relatively pristine areas as well. Innovating to improve
water quality, promoting environmental justice and equity, several of the speakers have mentioned how
important that is to us and yeah I mean to the region I should say. And again, everything we do we try to
support partnerships, we try to Foster Partnerships through these grants and we also try to foster regional
learning so we really hope that through events like this that they'll be the opportunity of grantees to
interact with one another to interact with the SNEP program and we're really looking forward to your input
today and in those sessions later today to really hear from you guys.

I'm not going to read this point by point but I think the important part is that we really try to fund a real
diversity of programs, they're all ultimately aimed at restoring ecosystems, clean water and sustainable
communities in our region but there are so many different ways of getting to that goal and I personally feel
really privileged to be able to support and help support such a diversity of projects and I'm endlessly
amazed and humbled by just the quality of work that so many of you are doing and you know just these


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such great grassroots community oriented groups and I think the beauty of this program to me is that and
it kind of echoes what Dr. Abrupto was saying that we're not telling you what to do, we're really asking you
for what you see as solutions and then we're trying to support those solutions. I always think of our
projects as trying to support that intersection of community goals and community needs and sort of the
broader regional environmental needs and that's really our goal is to support that through this program.

And with that I'll pass it along to Adam and the next speaker but I will say that our contact information is
here and I welcome, suggest you jump on our website SNEPgrants.org and you can see all the different
projects that we've funded and are currently funding.

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Adam: Excellent thank you Tom. Our next speaker is Martha Shiels. Martha, I believe are you joining us
virtually if you could just unmute yourself and I'll just Advance your slides for you.

Martha: Okay, can you hear me now? Are you able to hear me now? Adam, are you able to hear me?

Adam: Yes we can hear you, you can go right ahead

Martha: I'm so sorry about that I don't know what was happening. I'm sorry I can't be there in person I
really wish I could but thanks for having me virtually and can you see my slides as well? I think you can.
Great okay so I'm Martha Shiels, I direct the SNEP Network and through the New England Environmental
Finance Center the SNEP network is one of New England environmental Finance Center's premier
projects and we're so proud to be part of part of the SNEP team. We are located at the University of
Maine which is a land grant university and our mission at the New England EFC is to provide capacity
and to build the community capacity and tribal capacity to fund and finance environmental projects. The
SNEP Network's mission is to empower communities within the region to achieve healthy watersheds,
sustainable financing, long-term climate resilience through management of storm water and restoration
projects. We do this three ways, at the organizational level the network be brings together technical
assistance providers in the SNEP area to collaborate on projects where their expertise is needed. For
example we might do a storm water retrofit project in a community but we'll also bring in a partner who is
an expert in ordinance reviews to make sure that there are no barriers to building that storm water
infrastructure. These Network partners then work with the SNEP communities hand in hand to increase
their own local community capacity, to address their challenges and then this collaboration with
communities and across technical assistance providers enables the network to bring together peers from
different communities to build regional capacity.

Slide two, thank you. The network is comprised of 16 technical assistance Partners throughout the SNEP
area and we build capacity through offering free technical assistance training and webinars and
developing tools and resources to help advance climate resilience in the SNEP area.The ultimate goal of
every assistance that we give is to move projects forward to the funding and financing stage so that these
projects can actually be built.

Next slide please, next slide, great. The SNEP Network provides support to communities and tribes
throughout all Phases of the project and how can municipalities access these phases, this technical
assistance. Step one is that tribes and communities can put in a request through the SNEP network portal
for on-demand technical assistance or they can apply for assistance through the network's solicitation for
community projects each year or they can build upon existing network projects through working with a
known, trusted partner or to bring forth project needs on their own. The request then comes in through the
network and together with our partners we determine the level of support that is needed and based on the
nature of the request we match our technical assistance partners expertise and bring them together on a
project or we use our pre-approved consultant pool or we use both. The pre-approved consultant pool is
kind of unique to New England EFC we pre-vetted some local consultants and we can provide free
consultant services to municipalities and tribes as needed to advance their projects and these grants are
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because sometimes all a community really needs is a design so that they can put in an application for a
grant or state revolving fund. We are in our fourth year of our five-year project with EPA Region One and
we have many case studies, webinars, recorded trainings and story maps and tools that anyone within or
beyond the SNEP region can access so please visit our website and get in touch with us if you have any
questions. I also want to add I really appreciated Dr. Obropta your talk about Camden because I knew
Camden back in the 80's and it was not a place where you'd want to go visit I'm a Jersey girl my alma
mater is Rutgers and I really appreciate you bringing the resources that you have down there to us and
we'll check out your classes for sure and try to bring them to the SNEP municipalities that we work with so
thank you very much for your attention I'm going to now hand it over to Adam.

Adam: Excellent, thank you so much Martha. Moving to our next speaker I would like to welcome Tim
Pasakarnis. Tim is with the Cape Cod Commission and he's also the chair of our monitoring
subcommittee.

Tim: Right, thanks Adam. Again, Tim Pasakarnis. I'm a water resources analyst at the Cape Cod
Commission, chair of the monitoring subcommittee, I've been part of the monitoring subcommittee
basically since I started at the commission so for the past five years more or less.

I'll just give you a really brief introduction to the role of the monitoring subcommittee and what its makeup
is. So we have membership from a variety of sort of SNEP partners and affiliates at a number of levels,
federal levels, state levels, regulatory agencies, you know sort of sub-regional governments like
ourselves, the estuaries program, etc. and we really all come together periodically to try and wrestle with
the question of what does Regional monitoring mean for the SNEP region which is kind of large and
diverse in terms of both the landscapes and the communities and as you've seen already in the types of
projects and needs and monitoring is a really critical component of sort of understanding where we are
relative to all of those strategic goals that Ian ran us through and understanding the impacts of the
projects that, you know, all of the money and time that SNEP has put into the region to understanding
what the impacts of those projects are. So a lot of big complicated questions that have taken, you know,
years to work through and we're continuing to work through them but I will cover a lot of that work further
in the first breakout session on regional data so if this peaks your interest feel free to join for a lot more in-
depth discussion of that but I'll basically leave it there and then I'm going to turn it over to our other
subcommittee chair in a minute.

Adam: Thanks Tim. I'd now like to welcome Bryce DuBois of the College of Holy Cross and who's also
the chair of our ecosystem services subcommittee.

Bryce: Great to see y'all, yeah nice to be in person. Yeah so I'm Bryce Dubois, I'm an environmental
psychologist and assistant professor in the environmental studies department, new this year at the
College of Holy Cross and pleased to be an acting member and first subcommittee chair, similar to Tim of
the ecosystem services subcommittee.

We've got 23 individuals, again similar to Tim, covering a range of distinct tribal, federal, state and local
regional entities, so you can see those folks named there. And I'll just say before going any farther if you'd
like to join us please do so. One of the things that I think is really wonderful similar to Tim's monitoring
subcommittee is that each of us comes with different interests and strengths. My particular interest in
ecosystem services is around cultural ecosystem services and the efforts to sustain and enhance those in
the region and so each of us brings those sorts of strengths to the to the debates and the conversations
that we have. So as a subcommittee we're broadly focused on the evaluation of the ecological value of
the SNEP region and potential impacts of restoration and we do this primarily through the three areas
listed here efforts to define and quantify important ecosystem services to inform communities and in order
to increase Community engagement and capacity we strive to steer SNEP to support ecosystem
restoration and climate adaptation decisions and finally we are interested in supporting the provision of a
common language, I think perhaps similar to Dr. Obropta, that promotes better understanding of the
benefits of protection and restoration of the community ecosystem or Watershed scales. And I'll just give


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you a sense of the work that we've been up to more recently, so to accomplish these goals we've been
focused on establishing high priority research needs and high yield representative habitats as well as
efforts that are just beginning to co-produce science communication to learn both from communities and
in turn to sort of turn the numbers from the monitoring subcommittee and other data resources into stories
so again I'm delighted to be here today and please approach me if you have any questions about our
subcommittee or if you're interested in joining us.

Adam: Thanks so much Bryce. So next in this segment I'd love to highlight the strong partnerships that
we have with both of the NEPs located within our region. So first I'd like to welcome Darcy Young of the
Narragansett Bay Estuary program to provide a brief overview.

Darcy: Good morning everybody, my name is Darcy Young and I'm the Watershed Outreach manager
with the Narragansett Bay estuary program. I'm sorry I don't have any slides for you this morning so
you're just going to have to look directly at me. The Narragansett Bay Estuary program is a stakeholder-
led non-profit that aims to catalyze scientific inquiry and collective action to enhance water quality, wildlife
habitat and quality of life in the greater Narragansett Bay Region. And by that we mean that we work from
Little Narragansett Bay in Southeastern Connecticut to the Rhode Island Coastal ponds to the Blackstone
and Taunton rivers and mass and of course Narragansett Bay Proper. We have a small but mighty four-
member staff and we offer services like convening and facilitation responsive project funding and science
communication. We focus on supporting and funding early project development steps like engagement
and design that help prepare communities to take advantage of implementation funding. We have also a
member steering committee including many of you in this room that ensures buy-in from state and federal
agencies, local nonprofits, municipalities and some carefully selected ravel rousers too. We strive to be
useful and listen to our people's needs by building authentic partnerships so if you haven't engaged with
us before we'd love to meet you so please come find me today or my colleague Courtney Schmidt who's
sitting over there. We deeply appreciate the partnership that we have with SNEP from the support and
funding that we receive and we really look forward to the rest of the agenda today, thanks so much.

Adam: Thank you Darcy and our last speaker, unfortunately we weren't able to have any anyone from the
Buzzards Bay National story program to attend today, but instead we are really happy to have Alicia
Grimaldi online to present a bit about the NEP. Alicia give me one second and then I will advance the
slides for you and oh excuse me Alicia is the project officer at EPA for the Buzzards Bay NEP.

Alicia: Adam can you hear me?

Adam: Yep, we can hear you, you're good. Alicia you can start whenever you're ready.

Alicia: Okay I don't see my slides, do you have them? Perfect, okay great. I'm sorry I can't be there in
person, I know Joe Costa who's the director of the Buzzards Bay National Estuary program is also sorry
that he cannot be there in person but I wanted to give a brief overview of the Buzzards Bay National
Estuary program quickly the National Estuary Program is an EPA Place based program to protect and
restore the water quality and ecological integrity of estuaries of national significance there's NEPs
nationwide and 2 within the SNEP region as you just heard Narragansett and buzzards the Buzzards Bay
NEP was established in the mid-80s and you can see on the screen this is the geographic extent of the
NEP study area. One of the highlights and strengths of the Buzzards Bay NEP is their strong
Partnerships not only with SNEP but other local organizations namely the Buzzards Bay Coalition and the
Buzzards Bay action committee. I'm not going to dig too much in the history of the NEP I want to focus on
their current priorities which change based on the needs of the communities in Buzzards Bay.

So next slide. The buzzards-based stormwater collaborative has been going on for a few years, it started
with SNEP funding and it's been ongoing it's currently being funded by the bipartisan infrastructure law
the bill funds. It was launched in 2016, it's a partnership between the NEP and Mass Maritime Academy
students go out and map stormwater infrastructure monitor discharges and identify failing structures
throughout Buzzards Bay in communities that have opted into this program. They recently received a


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grant to outfit a field to get investigation trailer to find illicit connections that they begin using in 2021. You
can actually see the trailer in that bottom right picture and these two pictures are training. There's an
interactive map of everything that's been done by the stormwater collaborative on the Buzzards Bay
website so if you want to find out more information, background in this map it's all available.

Next slide. There's also a long history of salt marsh studies in Buzzards Bay, that's one of their big
priorities. Their current studies are partnership between the NEP, the Woodwell Climate Research Center
and Buzzards Bay Coalition. They monitor and track changes over many years within a dozen selected
salt marshes and they study vegetation and elevation and again this map is from the website you can go
in and find all the information historical data and everything you need to know about this project.

Next slide. So as I mentioned besides NEP funds, Buzzards Bay NEP also receives funds from the
bipartisan infrastructure law or bill. It's a priority to get these funds to the communities so Buzzards Bay
offers a variety of grant programs to the communities in Buzzards Bay. As part of the bill funding they
recently completed an equity strategy to reach disadvantaged communities in Buzzards Bay and they've
also recently completed a climate vulnerability assessment for their watershed. And then I'm just going to
give one quick plug for the Buzzards Bay website buzzardsbay.org or if you just Google Buzzards Bay
NEP you'll find it. It is a wealth of information all the historical research that has happened in Buzzards
Bay you can basically find anything that's ever happened in Buzzards Bay on this page it's a great
resource that Joe Costa, the director of the NEP has put together and maintains so it's you know it's a
great resource for the for the for the region so that's all I have for the NEP and any questions you can
contact me or the director Joe Costa.

Adam: Excellent, thank you so much Alicia and to the rest of our speakers. We felt that it was better to
start this way just to provide everyone, make sure everyone was starting off on the same foot
understanding the multiple facets of our program and how we're organized and how we're supported
throughout the region and finally this kind of gets us to why we're here today. Why we're here today is to
seek your input; we only exist because of the partners and communities that we serve and every so often
through forums like these we want to make sure that, you know, we're doing a good job and areas where
we're maybe not doing a good job or could do better we want to know about it so that we continue to meet
the needs of the 133 communities throughout our region. And as a reminder, all of the results of the
discussions throughout the day will be incorporated into our funding and policy strategies for the next
several years so there's really nothing off limits, please bring everything to our attention that you feel we
should be aware of. All of the sessions today will have notetakers within them who are focused on
receiving and recording your feedback. We're not ascribing any feedback to anyone's name so don't
worry about it but we really are just here to make sure that we're continuing to meet your needs as our
community members. Some probing questions to keep in mind, we want to make sure that any of the
responses, any of the feedback that we receive today are provided in a way that are actionable. So it's
okay to point out problem areas but make sure that you're tying those problem areas to ways that our
program can address them. We don't want to leave anything open-ended just because we're really
curious as to what you think our program should do. We are interested in hearing what you think our
program is doing well, what we need to improve upon, and even better how we can improve upon it. So
with that we are actually a little ahead of schedule which is excellent. We are now going to have a
transition and networking break, the first session starts at 11:00 so if you need to please make use of the
bathrooms or the cafeteria and especially make use of our poster presentations. We are going to start our
first session again at 11:00 but please do try to be in your in the first breakout room by about 10:55. This
room that we're in right now is breakout room one. Breakout room 3 is a classroom style; if you go out this
door on this side and walk straight that's breakout room 3. And then break out room 2 and 4 are actually
up stairs and you can get to them using either the stairs on either side or you can make use of the
elevator that is right next to breakout room 3. All of the rooms are numbered, there's a big poster in front
of each door that explains which sessions are located in each room. If you have any questions please feel
free to flag me down or any of our wonderful organizers from CEI today. Lastly, I would like to just give a
big shout out to our hosts at Bristol Community College and all of the fantastic support that we have in the


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back here who are making this as seamless of an experience as I could have possibly imagined so a big
round of applause for them. Thank you very much and thank you to all of you for participating and we
very much look forward to your feedback throughout the day. And for the folks joining us online please do
navigate back to the forum website and make sure that you are signed into the appropriate teams
meeting that corresponds with the session that you want to take part in. That's all that I have for right now
and I will see you all starting at around in the room of your choice. Thank you again!


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